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Jun 11 2020, 7:11 PM (48 w, 4 d)
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Hello, I'm User:TheAafi, rightly Aaqib Anjum Aafi. I contribute to the Wikimedia Projects in English and Urdu.

Recent Activity

Yesterday

AaqibAnjum added a comment to T281274: Eliminator not able to edit "cascade-protected" pages despite having the right on urwiki.

Should work now.

Mon, May 17, 11:28 AM · User-Urbanecm, Wikimedia-Site-requests

Thu, May 13

AaqibAnjum added a comment to T281274: Eliminator not able to edit "cascade-protected" pages despite having the right on urwiki.

Pinging @Urbanecm after having received no response from 9 May 2021.

Thu, May 13, 6:02 PM · User-Urbanecm, Wikimedia-Site-requests

Sun, May 9

AaqibAnjum added a comment to T281274: Eliminator not able to edit "cascade-protected" pages despite having the right on urwiki.

It has been around a week since this proposal was posted on the village pump of Urdu Wikipedia, at https://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/ویکیپیڈیا:دیوان_عام/تجاویز#ویکی_بان_اور_آبشاری_حفاظت_کے_حامل_صفحات

Sun, May 9, 10:44 AM · User-Urbanecm, Wikimedia-Site-requests

Sun, May 2

AaqibAnjum added a comment to T281274: Eliminator not able to edit "cascade-protected" pages despite having the right on urwiki.

Could you announce this on the project's village pump? Then, if there are no objections within some time, I think we can go ahead.

Done. I've posted a message and I'll revert here after a week perhaps? Thanks.

I guess you meant "report" rather than "revert"?

Would you mind posting the link here, so I can monitor the discussion? Thanks.

Sun, May 2, 12:29 AM · User-Urbanecm, Wikimedia-Site-requests
AaqibAnjum added a comment to T281274: Eliminator not able to edit "cascade-protected" pages despite having the right on urwiki.

Could you announce this on the project's village pump? Then, if there are no objections within some time, I think we can go ahead.

Sun, May 2, 12:12 AM · User-Urbanecm, Wikimedia-Site-requests

Sat, May 1

AaqibAnjum added a comment to T281274: Eliminator not able to edit "cascade-protected" pages despite having the right on urwiki.

Do we have any update on the request?

Sat, May 1, 7:56 PM · User-Urbanecm, Wikimedia-Site-requests

Tue, Apr 27

AaqibAnjum added a comment to T281274: Eliminator not able to edit "cascade-protected" pages despite having the right on urwiki.
In task description:

the "protect" right i.e. "Change protection levels, edit and move protected pages, and edit cascade-protected pages"

That is no longer true, it is now: "Change protection levels and edit cascade-protected pages"

https://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/ویکیپیڈیا:ویکی_بان rightly says (1), be able to edit pages that are subject to cascade protection.

Maybe there is a understanding problem. Cascade protection always is on the top of a protection, not a protection by its own.
Saying that someone should be able to edit cascade protection pages needs to specify which level of protection. Adding editprotected to the group allows to edit all protected pages (expect interface and user js) including the casade protected pages. The protect right is additional needed for cascade protected pages to avoid that everyone can protect pages by transclude them from the cascade protected page. It is not the only right needed for them.

Looking at all existing cascade protection - https://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AE%D8%A7%D8%B5:%D9%85%D8%AD%D9%81%D9%88%D8%B8_%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D8%A7%D8%AA?namespace=&type=edit&level=0&wpfilters%5B%5D=cascadeonly&size-mode=min&size=&uselang=en
It says fully protected, cascading or semi protected, cascading

Tue, Apr 27, 6:25 PM · User-Urbanecm, Wikimedia-Site-requests
AaqibAnjum added a comment to T281274: Eliminator not able to edit "cascade-protected" pages despite having the right on urwiki.

[...]
Thanks for this much. Yes, fine in "semi-protecting" pages (I didn't see any other option while protecting any page i.e. eliminators aren't able to fully protect any page and this seems legit). https://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/ویکیپیڈیا:ویکی_بان rightly says (1), be able to edit pages that are subject to cascade protection.

If we grant eliminators the ability to edit fully protected page, they will be able to also fully protect pages (unless we revoke protect from them, but that will also mean they will not be able to semiprotect pages).

Tue, Apr 27, 5:56 PM · User-Urbanecm, Wikimedia-Site-requests
AaqibAnjum added a comment to T281274: Eliminator not able to edit "cascade-protected" pages despite having the right on urwiki.

Nonetheless, I'm also unable to change protection of that page that I've linked above

protect only allows you to (un)protect pages you are able to edit. That is for security purposes: for instance, meta.wikimedia.org has pages that can be edited only by central notice admins (CNAs). Most admins aren't a CNA, but if they were able to unprotect that page, the CNA-only protection level would be useful – it would let admins in anyway :-).

and that's just cascade-protected but semi-protected on its own?

Cascade protection takes precedence. Right now, https://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%B3%D8%A7%D9%86%DA%86%DB%81:%D8%AE%D8%A8%D8%B1%D9%88%DA%BA_%D9%85%DB%8C%DA%BA is effectively fully protected. You can see it by trying to edit the page in an anonymous window. https://ur.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D8%B3%D8%A7%D9%86%DA%86%DB%81:%D8%AE%D8%A8%D8%B1%D9%88%DA%BA_%D9%85%DB%8C%DA%BA&action=edit&uselang=en shows this to me:

Alternatively, you can see it via the API: https://ur.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&format=json&prop=info&titles=%D8%B3%D8%A7%D9%86%DA%86%DB%81%3A%D8%AE%D8%A8%D8%B1%D9%88%DA%BA_%D9%85%DB%8C%DA%BA&inprop=protection. This API call shows:

"protection": [
{
"type": "edit",
"level": "autoconfirmed",
"expiry": "infinity"
},
{
"type": "move",
"level": "autoconfirmed",
"expiry": "infinity"
},
{
"type": "edit",
"level": "sysop",
"expiry": "infinity",
"source": "صفحۂ اول"
},
{
"type": "move",
"level": "sysop",
"expiry": "infinity",
"source": "صفحۂ اول"
}
]

As you can see, the page is now protected two times for editing/moving. One is the semiprotection that was applied on that page individually, second is the protection that comes from the cascade.

In similar cases, MediaWiki picks the strongest protection (in this case, full protection), which means it requires editprotected to be able to edit it.

How do we see that? Shouldn't protect be enough here then? Troubling issue indeed.

No, because the page is now fully protected, and editing fully protected pages requires editprotected. Protect should never be enough for you to edit pages, it should only allow you to (un)protect pages (which you are able to edit).

I don't know about other wikis but since our policy has maintained that eliminators should be able to edit pages that are cascade protected, and if it requires to have editprotected, then they should have it.

Could you link to a policy that says this, please? Then I can change the right assignments :).

By the way, should eliminators be able to protect pages?

Tue, Apr 27, 5:06 PM · User-Urbanecm, Wikimedia-Site-requests
AaqibAnjum added a comment to T281274: Eliminator not able to edit "cascade-protected" pages despite having the right on urwiki.

Nonetheless, I'm also unable to change protection of that page that I've linked aboute and that's just cascade-protected but semi-protected on its own? How do we see that? Shouldn't "protect" be enough here then? Troubling issue indeed

Tue, Apr 27, 3:58 PM · User-Urbanecm, Wikimedia-Site-requests
AaqibAnjum added a comment to T281274: Eliminator not able to edit "cascade-protected" pages despite having the right on urwiki.

AFAICS, urwiki eliminators only have protect right, not editprotected right. That means they're able to (un)protect pages, but not edit pages that are protected.

Cascade protection is a special kind of protection, and I think it makes sense to require editprotected rather than protect (the string description is a bit confusing, and I would agree it should be clarified).

Should editprotected be granted to eliminators as well?

Tue, Apr 27, 3:55 PM · User-Urbanecm, Wikimedia-Site-requests
AaqibAnjum updated subscribers of T281274: Eliminator not able to edit "cascade-protected" pages despite having the right on urwiki.
Tue, Apr 27, 3:06 PM · User-Urbanecm, Wikimedia-Site-requests
AaqibAnjum renamed T281274: Eliminator not able to edit "cascade-protected" pages despite having the right on urwiki from Eliminator not able to edit "cascade-protected" pages despite having the right to Eliminator not able to edit "cascade-protected" pages despite having the right on urwiki.
Tue, Apr 27, 2:48 PM · User-Urbanecm, Wikimedia-Site-requests
AaqibAnjum created T281274: Eliminator not able to edit "cascade-protected" pages despite having the right on urwiki.
Tue, Apr 27, 2:42 PM · User-Urbanecm, Wikimedia-Site-requests

Mar 26 2021

AaqibAnjum added a comment to T278350: "Lock wait timeout exceeded" moving a page back with ~18800 watchers on en.wp.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=116619886: 11:45, 26 March 2021 Martin Urbanec talk contribs block moved page User talk:TheAafi/Help talk to Help talk:Getting Started (sysadmin action: fixing phab:T278350) (revert). moveBatch.php appears to did the trick! Closing, we should probably have a follow-up task to fix the cause of this.

Unfortunately that is not the correct page, it should be moved to Help talk:Getting started - note the lowercase "s"

Damn, I swear I copy pasted the title. Fixed with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=116619997.

Mar 26 2021, 10:58 AM · User-Urbanecm, Editing-team, MediaWiki-Watchlist, WMF-JobQueue, Growth-Team, Wikimedia-production-error, User-notice, Wikimedia-database-error, MediaWiki-Page-rename

Nov 18 2020

AaqibAnjum updated AaqibAnjum.
Nov 18 2020, 6:05 PM