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Fri, Feb 16

Alsee added a comment to T186463: Uninstall Flow from Commons.

@Zoranzoki21, thanks. Is the block potentially related to this task???!?

Fri, Feb 16, 1:23 PM · Commons, Patch-For-Review, User-Zoranzoki21, Wikimedia-Site-requests, StructuredDiscussions, Collaboration-Team-Triage
Alsee added a comment to T186463: Uninstall Flow from Commons.

@Zoranzoki21 thanks for so quickly addressing this task. Could you provide an update on why your efforts were halted? As well as if or when the task expected to be completed?

Fri, Feb 16, 8:35 AM · Commons, Patch-For-Review, User-Zoranzoki21, Wikimedia-Site-requests, StructuredDiscussions, Collaboration-Team-Triage

Wed, Feb 14

Alsee added a comment to T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description.

@DannyH, if you dispute the close result then this is not the way to handle the situation.

Wed, Feb 14, 11:07 AM · Reading-Infrastructure-Team-Backlog (Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata, Community-Tech
Alsee updated the task description for T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description.
Wed, Feb 14, 11:06 AM · Reading-Infrastructure-Team-Backlog (Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata, Community-Tech
Alsee updated subscribers of T187285: Magic word on English WP to replace Wikidata short descriptions.

@MZMcBride, I'd like to first note that this task is not about "what I want". Half of the text here is copied from T184000 written by @DannyH. The other half reflects an RFC community consensus. In fact I supported DannyH's version during the RFC. I am submitting the consensus result on behalf of the community.

Wed, Feb 14, 7:20 AM · MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata
Alsee added a comment to T187285: Magic word on English WP to replace Wikidata short descriptions.

Not in scope of this task:

  1. It's hard for EnWiki editors to see vandalism or changes to Wikidata content:
    1. Showing Wikidata changes on EnWiki watchlists is not in scope. Locally defined descriptions resolves this issue natively.
  2. Editing Wikidata content requires going to another site:
    1. Providing a remote-editing UI to modify Wikidata content from the Wikipedia site is not in scope. Locally defined descriptions resolves this issue natively.
  3. Edits to Wikidata bypass EnWiki page protection:
    1. Removing Wikidata-Admin userrights to add/remove edit-protection on Wikidata English-descriptions and effectively assigning these rights to EnWiki Admins is not in scope. Locally defined descriptions resolves this issue natively.
  4. Wikidata content is subject to Wikidata policies and Administrative enforcement:
    1. Removing Wikidata-Admin userrights to block EnWiki users&Admins from editing Wikidata English-descriptions and assigning these rights to EnWiki Admins is not in scope. Locally defined descriptions resolves this issue natively.

(Any alternate proposal for the above item(s) should be sure to include all four.)

Wed, Feb 14, 5:25 AM · MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata
Alsee added a comment to T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description.

Closed as invalid. There is no request for this task.

Wed, Feb 14, 5:24 AM · Reading-Infrastructure-Team-Backlog (Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata, Community-Tech
Alsee closed T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description as Invalid.
Wed, Feb 14, 5:24 AM · Reading-Infrastructure-Team-Backlog (Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata, Community-Tech
Alsee created T187285: Magic word on English WP to replace Wikidata short descriptions.
Wed, Feb 14, 5:23 AM · MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata
Alsee added a comment to T145522: [feature request] how to clean up redirects in sitelinks.

In an ealier post here, matej_suchanek posted a link to Wikilinks_and_redirects.

Wed, Feb 14, 12:17 AM · Need-volunteer, MediaWiki-Redirects, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata

Tue, Feb 13

Alsee added a comment to T186463: Uninstall Flow from Commons.

@Aklapper please don't go in pointless circles. Progress on this task was halted with a -2 code review and an order "Do not merge".

Tue, Feb 13, 10:36 PM · Commons, Patch-For-Review, User-Zoranzoki21, Wikimedia-Site-requests, StructuredDiscussions, Collaboration-Team-Triage
Alsee added a comment to T63729: Remove Flow from Meta-Wiki.

This applies to any extension with log types, not just StructuredDiscussions. It's expected behavior. There is no solution other than code duplication (which is okay if that's the best solution, but no one has explained why it is in this case).

Tue, Feb 13, 2:31 PM · User-notice-collaboration, Patch-For-Review, Community-Liaisons, Collaboration-Team-Triage, StructuredDiscussions, Wikimedia-Site-requests
Alsee added a comment to T186463: Uninstall Flow from Commons.

@Aklapper I did not ask for all other work do be dropped. I was amazed when this task was picked up within four minutes. I was even more impressed when a patch was written and uploaded to gerrit within fifteen minutes.

Tue, Feb 13, 1:38 PM · Commons, Patch-For-Review, User-Zoranzoki21, Wikimedia-Site-requests, StructuredDiscussions, Collaboration-Team-Triage
Alsee updated subscribers of T186463: Uninstall Flow from Commons.

@Mattflaschen-WMF at gerrit you added:

Code-Review-2
Under discussion by the team. Do not merge at this time.

Tue, Feb 13, 3:34 AM · Commons, Patch-For-Review, User-Zoranzoki21, Wikimedia-Site-requests, StructuredDiscussions, Collaboration-Team-Triage

Fri, Feb 9

Alsee added a comment to T145522: [feature request] how to clean up redirects in sitelinks.

In an ealier post here, matej_suchanek posted a link to Wikilinks_and_redirects.

Fri, Feb 9, 12:44 AM · Need-volunteer, MediaWiki-Redirects, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata

Thu, Feb 8

Alsee added a comment to T54564: Allow sitelinks to redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'.

I believe discussing this as a "Bonnie and Clyde problem" has led to flawed examination and flawed arguments, due to the example cited.

Thu, Feb 8, 9:59 PM · Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository
Alsee reopened T178248: Move visual diff out of beta in visual and 2017 wikitext editors as "Open".
Thu, Feb 8, 7:23 AM · User-Ryasmeen, MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-02-06 (1.31.0-wmf.20)), User-notice, Epic, VisualEditor, VisualEditor-VisualDiffs
Alsee added a comment to T178248: Move visual diff out of beta in visual and 2017 wikitext editors.

When I saw Visual Diff was coming our of beta and made default in Visual mode, I tried testing it. The very first test blew up on two different computers.

Thu, Feb 8, 7:22 AM · User-Ryasmeen, MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-02-06 (1.31.0-wmf.20)), User-notice, Epic, VisualEditor, VisualEditor-VisualDiffs

Wed, Feb 7

Alsee added a comment to T153306: Have Show preview and Review your changes more directly accessible in the New Wikitext Editor.

Adding another complaint reported at Mediawiki 2017 wikitext editor/Feedback.

Wed, Feb 7, 11:16 PM · Design, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, VisualEditor
Alsee removed a parent task for T186632: Create shortcut/alias for aligned parameter style in TemplateData: T179259: Visual Editor removing whitespace from infoboxes by default.
Wed, Feb 7, 9:08 AM · TemplateData, User-Ryasmeen, Parsoid, VisualEditor
Alsee removed a subtask for T179259: Visual Editor removing whitespace from infoboxes by default: T186632: Create shortcut/alias for aligned parameter style in TemplateData.
Wed, Feb 7, 9:08 AM · User-Ryasmeen, Parsoid, VisualEditor
Alsee added a comment to T186632: Create shortcut/alias for aligned parameter style in TemplateData.

@kaldari it doesn't mitigate T179259 at all. It is as likely to increase dirty diffs as to reduce them, and it does nothing to prevent VE from editwarring.

Wed, Feb 7, 9:08 AM · TemplateData, User-Ryasmeen, Parsoid, VisualEditor
Alsee added a comment to T186632: Create shortcut/alias for aligned parameter style in TemplateData.

Is there a reason this is a subtask of T179259? They both involve working on the same region of code, but the tasks are not related.

Wed, Feb 7, 12:55 AM · TemplateData, User-Ryasmeen, Parsoid, VisualEditor

Tue, Feb 6

Alsee added a comment to T171093: Performance review of Editing features.

Note: VisualEditor already sends load time values back to the server, however actual user-experienced load times are almost twice as long as reported.

Tue, Feb 6, 11:59 PM · VisualEditor-Performance, VisualEditor, Performance-Team
Alsee added a comment to T63729: Remove Flow from Meta-Wiki.

Considering that the extension is uninstalled, I'd say those log issues are pretty insignificant.

Tue, Feb 6, 11:01 PM · User-notice-collaboration, Patch-For-Review, Community-Liaisons, Collaboration-Team-Triage, StructuredDiscussions, Wikimedia-Site-requests

Mon, Feb 5

Alsee added a comment to T179259: Visual Editor removing whitespace from infoboxes by default.

@ssastry I was hoping it would be sufficient to cite the known issue of dirty diffs and the fact that people clearly want this fixed. I previously drafted-but-cut a longer explanation. I wanted to avoid posting a rantish wall-of-text. But ok. Maybe better understanding will help. Let's start here:

it felt like a reasonable trade-off to reduce code complexity since it will also gradually get more transclusions comply with the editor-desired formatting for the template.

If someone is using VE to add a template, and the WMF is not allowing that person to see or control the formatting, it's not unreasonable for a random individual editor to add a suggested-format to templatedata. However that individual absolutely does not have authority to impose a Wikipedia-wide bot-run to forcibly covert everyone else's pre-existing work to their preferred style. Editors at those pre-existing articles may have a good reason for a different style, and in some cases it's simply a matter of difference of opinion on which is the best/preferred style.

Mon, Feb 5, 7:43 PM · User-Ryasmeen, Parsoid, VisualEditor
Alsee added a comment to T179259: Visual Editor removing whitespace from infoboxes by default.

@cscott you suggested two options. One, you yet-again proposed "custom format string", which we have told you DOESN'T FIX ANYTHING. That will still mangle existing parameters.

Mon, Feb 5, 5:27 PM · User-Ryasmeen, Parsoid, VisualEditor

Sun, Feb 4

Alsee created T186463: Uninstall Flow from Commons.
Sun, Feb 4, 6:01 PM · Commons, Patch-For-Review, User-Zoranzoki21, Wikimedia-Site-requests, StructuredDiscussions, Collaboration-Team-Triage

Sat, Feb 3

Alsee added a comment to T179259: Visual Editor removing whitespace from infoboxes by default.

@cscott, thanks but unhelpful. What templatedata value should I use to tell VE not to mangle existing content? If there's an answer I will happily close this task as resolved, and I will open a community process to convert every templatedata to use that value.

Sat, Feb 3, 5:57 PM · User-Ryasmeen, Parsoid, VisualEditor
Alsee added a comment to T179259: Visual Editor removing whitespace from infoboxes by default.

The parameter reordering issue was addressed (yeay), but the original task here was to stop stripping whitespace. Here's a test edit showing that the problem still exists.

Sat, Feb 3, 12:05 AM · User-Ryasmeen, Parsoid, VisualEditor
Alsee reopened T179259: Visual Editor removing whitespace from infoboxes by default as "Open".
Sat, Feb 3, 12:02 AM · User-Ryasmeen, Parsoid, VisualEditor

Wed, Jan 31

Alsee added a comment to T184857: Problems with editing huge pages.

@Niharika, we're all supposed to be on the same team. The suggestion that the community doesn't care about new users is not merely offensive, it's dangerous.

Wed, Jan 31, 6:19 PM · Community-Tech, MediaWiki-extensions-CodeMirror, VisualEditor-Performance, VisualEditor, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor

Sat, Jan 27

Alsee added a comment to T184857: Problems with editing huge pages.

If the 2017-editor hadn't been effectively built in secret, a horde of editors would have told the WMF that it would be a fatally bad-idea to try to downgrade wikitext into a second-class-citizen inside of Visual Editor. As soon as the 2017 Editor prototype was available, there was immediate and strong feedback that performance and faulty previews where both fatal fatal flaws. More than a year ago an English Wikipedia RFC was initiated, which reached consensus to to block deployment of the 2017 editor as a replacement for the current wikitext editor, both on the grounds of performance and separately on the grounds of faulty previews.

Sat, Jan 27, 7:20 AM · Community-Tech, MediaWiki-extensions-CodeMirror, VisualEditor-Performance, VisualEditor, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor

Dec 3 2017

Alsee added a comment to T146781: Show changes in moved text chunks (C++).

Thanks for working on this. I reviewed some of the sample diffs.

Dec 3 2017, 11:11 AM · WMDE-QWERTY-Sprint-2017-09-05, WMDE-QWERTY-Sprint-2017-08-22, WMDE-QWERTY-Sprint-2017-07-25, wikidiff2, Patch-For-Review, WMDE-QWERTY-Team-Board, WMDE-QWERTY-Team-Experimental-Sprint, German-Community-Wishlist, TCB-Team, MediaWiki-History-or-Diffs
Alsee added a comment to T140340: Connect moved paragraphs by arrows.

The current demo uses curvy arrows pointing right and left. They strike me as kinda weird. I think it would be more natural and more clear if they were basic arrows pointing up or down (toward the other half of the pair.)

Dec 3 2017, 10:58 AM · German-Community-Wishlist, Design, WMDE-Design, TCB-Team

Nov 7 2017

Alsee added a comment to T179259: Visual Editor removing whitespace from infoboxes by default.

A lot of the discussion here is appears to be missing the point. As it see it, the issue is fairly simple:

Nov 7 2017, 7:23 PM · User-Ryasmeen, Parsoid, VisualEditor

Nov 1 2017

Alsee added a comment to T169924: Option to disable notifications about 1st, 10th, etc. edit ("You made your <milestone> edit!").

@Quiddity I don't understand what you mean [using global edit count] wouldn't solve the entire complexity of it all. Are you saying that wouldn't generate enough notifications? Or are you saying there's some technical problem? Or something else?

Nov 1 2017, 11:27 AM · Collaboration-Team-Triage, Notifications
Alsee added a comment to T114432: [RFC] Heredoc arguments for templates (aka "hygienic" or "long" arguments).

inside a template and immediately follows a | or = with no whitespace *and* the >>> is immediately followed by a | or }}

Nov 1 2017, 11:02 AM · Parsing-Team, Wikimedia-Developer-Summit-2016, TechCom-RFC

Oct 22 2017

Alsee added a comment to T169924: Option to disable notifications about 1st, 10th, etc. edit ("You made your <milestone> edit!").

@Aklapper I'm not sure how to handle this. T178735 was merged here because it addresses the same issue, but I disagree with the task being proposed here. This is task is defined as a child of Support global preferences. Should I alter the task tile & description to address the problem in general?

Oct 22 2017, 2:33 AM · Collaboration-Team-Triage, Notifications

Oct 21 2017

Alsee added a comment to T158474: User:Unknown_user editing in dewiki.

My patch above only ensures that it's impossible to actually register that username and make real edits using it.

You can document its purpose on its user page, like it was done e.g. for https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Maintenance_script.

Oct 21 2017, 6:16 PM · MW-1.29-release-notes, MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2017-02-14_(1.29.0-wmf.12)), MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2017-02-21_(1.29.0-wmf.13)), Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown, MediaWiki-Export-or-Import
Alsee added a comment to T121338: Better handling of revision deletion on import.

Note user:Unknown_user already existed on EnWiki (and only on EnWiki). It was created and briefly used for a few days in 2004. It has 126 edits. Any username should always be checked for existence before using it for any system purpose.

Oct 21 2017, 6:02 PM · MW-1.27-release (WMF-deploy-2016-01-12_(1.27.0-wmf.10)), MW-1.27-release-notes, Patch-For-Review, MediaWiki-Revision-deletion, MediaWiki-Export-or-Import
Alsee added a project to T178735: milestone edit notification spam: Notifications.
Oct 21 2017, 10:09 AM · Collaboration-Team-Triage, Notifications
Alsee created T178735: milestone edit notification spam.
Oct 21 2017, 10:09 AM · Collaboration-Team-Triage, Notifications

Oct 20 2017

Alsee added a comment to T114432: [RFC] Heredoc arguments for templates (aka "hygienic" or "long" arguments).

I believe the proper behavior (meaning the easiest to understand and most expected behavior) is to just protect the wrapped content then behave as if the <<< and >>> don't exist. This does a good job of covering most of the listed edge cases. For example:

{{foo |<<<You know someone's going to do >>> this at some point accidentally. What happens?}}

would be identical to

{{foo |You know someone's going to do  this at some point accidentally. What happens?}}
Oct 20 2017, 5:48 PM · Parsing-Team, Wikimedia-Developer-Summit-2016, TechCom-RFC
Elitre awarded T154843: New Wikitext Editor: Major improvement to load time and preview time a Love token.
Oct 20 2017, 2:07 PM · Performance, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, VisualEditor, VisualEditor-MediaWiki, Epic

Oct 11 2017

Alsee added a comment to T171027: "Read timeout is reached" DBQueryError when trying to load specific users' watchlists (with +1000 articles) on several wikis.

This is a hugely political issue.

Oct 11 2017, 10:29 PM · MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2017-10-03 (1.31.0-wmf.2)), User-notice, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata-Former-Sprint-Board, Patch-For-Review, Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-This-Quarter), DBA, Wikidata, Commons, Contributors-Team, Wikimedia-log-errors, MW-1.30-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2017-08-08_(1.30.0-wmf.13)), Russian-Sites, Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown, Performance, MediaWiki-Watchlist

Oct 3 2017

Alsee added a comment to T172297: Freeze upon trying to preview.

Many people experience this. Using Visual Editor for previews is often absurdly slow, upwards of a minute in some cases. From a UX perspective, there is little meaningful difference between:

  1. freezing for over thirty seconds then successfully showing a preview;
  2. freezing for over thirty hours then successfully showing a preview; or
  3. freezing permanently.
Oct 3 2017, 9:33 AM · VisualEditor, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor

Oct 1 2017

Alsee added a comment to T177160: Improving PageImages filtering of non-free images.

As has already been demonstrated, running two parallel systems to track the same information is unreliable. And you acknowledge that more work would be needed (T131896) trying to fix the span method. Given that "Using the category is easy", I'm puzzled why you'd even bother advocating invisible, unreliable, duplicate, currently-broken method which needs repairs?

Oct 1 2017, 2:57 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Tracking), Multimedia, CommonsMetadata, PageImages
Alsee added a comment to T175158: Make it possible to manually exclude unsuitable pages from related articles.

There have been a lot of objections to RelatedPages putting pseudo-random links on articles. Putting Islam on Misogyny, fascism on a politician, I think Pig-faced woman ended up on a woman's biography. It just put promotional links for two brands of tissue on the Facial_tissue article, and one of the links literally included an image of an advertisement for that brand. The WMF slapped an advertisement on the article. I'm just waiting for someone to find Pedophilia on someone's biography.

Oct 1 2017, 1:22 PM · User-Johan, Readers-Web-Backlog (Tracking), Discovery-Search, CirrusSearch, Discovery, RelatedArticles
Alsee added a comment to T177122: Non-free images incorrectly appearing in RelatedPages.

To staff/devs: Thanks for the quick fix here.

Oct 1 2017, 3:04 AM · Reading-Web-Local-Wiki-Issues, Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown
Alsee updated the task description for T177160: Improving PageImages filtering of non-free images.
Oct 1 2017, 3:00 AM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Tracking), Multimedia, CommonsMetadata, PageImages
Alsee created T177160: Improving PageImages filtering of non-free images.
Oct 1 2017, 2:54 AM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Tracking), Multimedia, CommonsMetadata, PageImages

Sep 30 2017

Elitre awarded T177122: Non-free images incorrectly appearing in RelatedPages a Like token.
Sep 30 2017, 12:07 PM · Reading-Web-Local-Wiki-Issues, Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown

Sep 29 2017

Alsee added projects to T177122: Non-free images incorrectly appearing in RelatedPages: RelatedArticles, PageImages.
Sep 29 2017, 10:38 PM · Reading-Web-Local-Wiki-Issues, Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown
Alsee created T177122: Non-free images incorrectly appearing in RelatedPages.
Sep 29 2017, 10:16 PM · Reading-Web-Local-Wiki-Issues, Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown

Sep 17 2017

Alsee added a comment to T160077: UI changes for showing changes in moved text chunks.

First, a huge thank you for working on showing moves in diff! YEAY!

Sep 17 2017, 5:48 AM · WMDE-QWERTY-Sprint-2017-09-05, WMDE-QWERTY-Sprint-2017-08-22, WMDE-QWERTY-Sprint-2017-07-25, WMDE-QWERTY-Team-Board, German-Community-Wishlist, MediaWiki-History-or-Diffs, TCB-Team

Aug 27 2017

Alsee added a comment to T6521: Colon (:) & semicolon (;) shouldn't output as HTML definition list when used for indentation, boldfacing.

Some of the comments above suggested treating article pages and talk pages differently. That's a mistake. A generic page should be presumed to contain both article content and discussions. Copying arbitrary article content to any page is a fundamental part of our work.

Aug 27 2017, 10:02 AM · Parsoid, Accessibility, MediaWiki-Parser

Aug 9 2017

Alsee added a comment to T172893: User contribution diff sequence viewer.

To put it more succinctly, I want a "mode" where the next&previous links are tied to the user rather than tied to the page. I just can't think of a good place or method in the interface to request that mode.

Aug 9 2017, 5:31 PM · Anti-Harassment

Aug 5 2017

Alsee added a comment to T57370: [Epic] VisualEditor: Implement some form of auto-save.

@Whatamidoing-WMF
I am admittedly stretching the limits of what I know about javascript, but it appears something like

textarea.on('input', ...

solves that issue. I'm unsure, but a little extra code may be needed to catch cut/paste via right click.

Aug 5 2017, 3:03 PM · Community-Wishlist-Survey-2017, Community-Tech, Front-end-Standards-Group, Epic, VisualEditor, VisualEditor-MediaWiki

Aug 3 2017

Alsee added a comment to T57370: [Epic] VisualEditor: Implement some form of auto-save.

Because it isn't actually possible in the older wikitext editors.

Aug 3 2017, 7:58 AM · Community-Wishlist-Survey-2017, Community-Tech, Front-end-Standards-Group, Epic, VisualEditor, VisualEditor-MediaWiki

Aug 1 2017

Alsee added a comment to T57370: [Epic] VisualEditor: Implement some form of auto-save.

Why is this described as a Visual Editor task? Visual Editor is a minor secondary editor, only used for a small percentage of edits. If auto save is implemented, it's certainly reasonable to also implement it in the secondary editor as well (VE).

Aug 1 2017, 7:08 PM · Community-Wishlist-Survey-2017, Community-Tech, Front-end-Standards-Group, Epic, VisualEditor, VisualEditor-MediaWiki

Jul 24 2017

Alsee added a comment to T164292: Long search times for combo of “Very likely good” + (“Likely bad faith” OR "V. likely bad faith" OR "May be bad faith").

It would be rare for someone to deliberately search for bad-faith likely-good edits, so this is not a major issue. Perhaps just display a message that the search may be slow.

Jul 24 2017, 6:57 PM · Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-This-Quarter), Edit-Review-Improvements-RC-Page

Jun 29 2017

Alsee added a comment to T169253: Zotero translator returning JS in author field.

The website vcard for the author contains an email wrapped in javascript protection. The javascript is getting copied as text, as if it's a list of additional authors. I'm not sure if the problem is on our end, or if their website is doing something invalid.

Jun 29 2017, 7:37 PM · Citoid, VisualEditor
Alsee added a comment to T155732: Provide a Preview panel that doesn't obscure the wikitext box and maybe the skin's sidebar (?).

With the NewEditor it takes me over half a minute to preview United_States just once, and over five minutes staring at the blue VE-loading-bar if I want to jump between article-text and preview ten times.

Did you try Shift-Alt-P to see preview? This way it loads without the blue VE-loading-bar.

I was a little sloppy, preview shows moving gray stripes instead of a blue loading bar. It's the same problem though. Previews appear to be cached, so if you aren't actually editing then repeat previews "only" takes ~8 seconds (~4 seconds to switch ~4 seconds to switch back). However if you're actually working, each keypress kills the cache. A preview takes ~30-35 seconds to load, plus ~4 to switch back. So ten previews is over 6 minutes. Usually I just use one preview before saving, which is still an appalling and unusable performance. But yeah, sometimes we easily hit ten or more previews while working. Having preview on the same screen as the wikitext matters a lot.

Jun 29 2017, 4:00 PM · Design, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, VisualEditor

Jun 28 2017

Alsee added a comment to T168638: VE occasionally opens a link within a template instead of the template's settings when clicked.

Based on the video , it looks like the blue box was't fully covering the link. Hypothesis: If rendering of the blue box is delayed or the location is offset, the underlying link is exposed and clickable?

Jun 28 2017, 5:56 PM · VisualEditor

Jun 25 2017

Alsee added a comment to T154111: NWE shouldn't mark inserted ISBN with <nowiki> tags.

I did a little experimentation. It appears this bug is being triggered by T153315. Instead of doing a normal copy-paste, the NewEditor defaults to trying to convert HTML into wikitext. When it sees the italics it triggers HTML->Wikitext conversion. Then nowikis get spammed into your wikitext.

Jun 25 2017, 9:59 PM · VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, User-Urbanecm, VisualEditor
Alsee added a comment to T155732: Provide a Preview panel that doesn't obscure the wikitext box and maybe the skin's sidebar (?).

With the current editor it doesn't matter how long the article is. Everything is on one long screen. I simply highlight some unique text and use the browser search on it. Pressing F3 then jumps back and forth between article text and the matching wikitext.

Jun 25 2017, 8:04 PM · Design, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, VisualEditor

Jun 22 2017

Alsee renamed T154843: New Wikitext Editor: Major improvement to load time and preview time from New Wikitext Editor: Major improvement to load time to edit to New Wikitext Editor: Major improvement to load time and preview time.
Jun 22 2017, 2:53 AM · Performance, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, VisualEditor, VisualEditor-MediaWiki, Epic

Jun 9 2017

Alsee added a comment to T159032: Single Edit Tab global default change.

Halibutt I'd welcome better data, but so far no one has been offering any. The community has abundant collective real-world experience, and I believe most people will find the available data to be sufficiently clear despite the imperfections.

Jun 9 2017, 5:34 PM · VisualEditor-MediaWiki, VisualEditor, Wikimedia-Site-requests

Jun 3 2017

Alsee added a comment to T159032: Single Edit Tab global default change.

@Deskana thank you for closing this. Prior to seeing you had closed this, I had also come to the conclusion that continued individual-debate here had become an unproductive time sink for everyone involved.

Jun 3 2017, 11:00 PM · VisualEditor-MediaWiki, VisualEditor, Wikimedia-Site-requests
Alsee added a comment to T159032: Single Edit Tab global default change.

(Polish VE statistics)

Interesting. I would've expected that to be higher. Did you remove all the confounding factors when producing these statistics?

I listed the settings I used. I made a good faith effort to filter out confounding factors and maximize the VE percentage. Any other factors would only shift the results by a few points. The results are clear enough that fussing over a few percent won't alter the conclusions.

Jun 3 2017, 1:20 AM · VisualEditor-MediaWiki, VisualEditor, Wikimedia-Site-requests

May 26 2017

Alsee added a comment to T154843: New Wikitext Editor: Major improvement to load time and preview time.

Adding report by JAn Dudík:
United States 75 sec.
List of planets 140 sec.

May 26 2017, 9:50 PM · Performance, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, VisualEditor, VisualEditor-MediaWiki, Epic
Alsee added a comment to T159032: Single Edit Tab global default change.

I just collected data using the Recent Changes page, set to display the last 5000 edits. Bot edits and logged actions filtered out.

May 26 2017, 3:48 AM · VisualEditor-MediaWiki, VisualEditor, Wikimedia-Site-requests

May 22 2017

Alsee created T166058: Media Viewer cogwheel-preferences stopped working.
May 22 2017, 2:01 PM · MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2017-10-24 (1.31.0-wmf.5)), Patch-For-Review, Multimedia-Team-Working-Board, Easy, Multimedia, MediaWiki-extensions-MultimediaViewer
Alsee added a comment to T144571: Mobile Media Viewer violates user settings.

if JavaScript fails to load... going to the file page will happen

Thank you for clearing up why some of the testing gave random results. However that is not directly related to this issue.

May 22 2017, 12:59 PM · Multimedia, Readers-Web-Backlog (Tracking), MediaWiki-extensions-MultimediaViewer, Design, MobileFrontend

May 21 2017

Alsee added a comment to T159032: Single Edit Tab global default change.

The WMF ran a controlled study on the effects of visual editor, showing that it provided zero benefit to new users and finding notable negative effects. Is there anyone here who honestly thinks that a majority of the general global editing community wants VE to be made the default?

Would love to see the study you mention, never heard of it.

Research:VisualEditor's_effect_on_newly_registered_editors/May_2015_study. Results: No change in how many new users made a first edit. No change in new user retention. No change in total contributions. Visual Editing was typically over 6.7 times slower, people were more likely to abandon edits without attempting to save, and attempted saves were less likely to be successful.

May 21 2017, 3:26 PM · VisualEditor-MediaWiki, VisualEditor, Wikimedia-Site-requests

May 13 2017

Alsee added a comment to T68078: Indicate mentions in edit preview and in "Your edit was saved" message.

@Kipod, I strongly disagree.

May 13 2017, 6:03 AM · Collaboration-Team-Triage, Notifications

May 9 2017

Alsee added a comment to T135682: "Start editing" popup interferes with talk page usage.

This popup is a useless "click-to-continue" annoyance when it has only one option.

May 9 2017, 8:14 PM · VisualEditor
Alsee merged task T154202: Don't show the welcome message unless it has a "switch to visual editing" button into T135682: "Start editing" popup interferes with talk page usage.
May 9 2017, 8:12 PM · VisualEditor
Alsee merged T154202: Don't show the welcome message unless it has a "switch to visual editing" button into T135682: "Start editing" popup interferes with talk page usage.
May 9 2017, 8:12 PM · VisualEditor

Apr 15 2017

Alsee added a comment to T159032: Single Edit Tab global default change.

If you really want to start a format consensus process, use the main BAR rooms, not the technical room used mostly for bug reporting.

Apr 15 2017, 10:54 PM · VisualEditor-MediaWiki, VisualEditor, Wikimedia-Site-requests
Alsee awarded T10681: Group changes across days in enhanced rc a Like token.
Apr 15 2017, 2:30 AM · MediaWiki-Watchlist, MediaWiki-Recent-changes

Apr 4 2017

Alsee added a comment to T153306: Have Show preview and Review your changes more directly accessible in the New Wikitext Editor.
  • Burying PREVIEW in a menu behind the SAVE button leaves new users lost and scared when they actively avoid touching the dangerous SAVE button.
  • Burying the most used button in the editor is disruptive for experienced editors.

The most used button in the entire editor, and second most important button in the entire editor, absolutely warrants direct placement next to the SAVE button.

Apr 4 2017, 5:59 AM · Design, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, VisualEditor

Mar 28 2017

Alsee added a comment to T159032: Single Edit Tab global default change.

The discussion was unanimous when I posted it. Now one person has disagreed.

Mar 28 2017, 4:53 AM · VisualEditor-MediaWiki, VisualEditor, Wikimedia-Site-requests

Mar 27 2017

Alsee added a comment to T159032: Single Edit Tab global default change.

@Halibutt : While the comments were posted "last year", they are not over a year old. They were 3 months old when I opened this Phab, and now 4 months old. Your oppose and the new responses, it looks like 6-1. Would you like to open a more formal consensus-process to get a more formal result?

Mar 27 2017, 5:48 PM · VisualEditor-MediaWiki, VisualEditor, Wikimedia-Site-requests

Mar 25 2017

Alsee added a comment to T154844: New Wikitext Editor: Previews use the article-view rendering engine.

can you clarify?

Mar 25 2017, 10:52 PM · VisualEditor, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor

Mar 21 2017

Alsee added a comment to T154844: New Wikitext Editor: Previews use the article-view rendering engine.

I updated the task description to reflect the closure of the RFC on this issue. Also, my understanding is that blocker tasks inherit the priority of the parent task.

Mar 21 2017, 5:46 PM · VisualEditor, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor
Alsee renamed T154844: New Wikitext Editor: Previews use the article-view rendering engine from New Wikitext Editor: Ensure that previews match article view as much as practical to New Wikitext Editor: Previews use the article-view rendering engine. (Consensus this is a blocker issue).
Mar 21 2017, 5:46 PM · VisualEditor, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor
Alsee added a comment to T154843: New Wikitext Editor: Major improvement to load time and preview time.

I updated the task description to reflect the closure of the RFC on this issue. Also, my understanding is that blocker tasks inherit the priority of the parent task.

Mar 21 2017, 5:46 PM · Performance, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, VisualEditor, VisualEditor-MediaWiki, Epic
Alsee renamed T154843: New Wikitext Editor: Major improvement to load time and preview time from New Wikitext Editor: Major improvement to load time to edit to New Wikitext Editor: Major improvement to load time to edit. (Consensus this is a blocker issue).
Mar 21 2017, 5:44 PM · Performance, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, VisualEditor, VisualEditor-MediaWiki, Epic

Mar 18 2017

Pine awarded T154843: New Wikitext Editor: Major improvement to load time and preview time a Manufacturing Defect? token.
Mar 18 2017, 8:13 PM · Performance, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, VisualEditor, VisualEditor-MediaWiki, Epic

Mar 17 2017

Alsee added a comment to T154843: New Wikitext Editor: Major improvement to load time and preview time.

Note that the Minor Planets page has been split. Anyone wanting to test that load time should use the link in Samwalton9's post above.

Mar 17 2017, 5:31 AM · Performance, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, VisualEditor, VisualEditor-MediaWiki, Epic

Mar 16 2017

Alsee added a comment to T159032: Single Edit Tab global default change.

@Jdforrester-WMF, it's been almost three weeks since I opened this bug. Can I get an answer on this?
You said VE wouldn't be imposed as the SingleEditTab default without asking the community. You said it was a bug that SingleEditTab was deployed with a VE default. EnWiki was fixed to wikitext default, per discussion with the community. And now PolishWiki has a unanimous consensus asking for SingleEditTab to have a wikitext default.

Mar 16 2017, 9:23 AM · VisualEditor-MediaWiki, VisualEditor, Wikimedia-Site-requests

Mar 13 2017

Alsee added a comment to T114432: [RFC] Heredoc arguments for templates (aka "hygienic" or "long" arguments).

@jayvdb's suggestion looks like the best concepts here. I'd suggest a tweak:

Mar 13 2017, 10:09 PM · Parsing-Team, Wikimedia-Developer-Summit-2016, TechCom-RFC

Mar 11 2017

Alsee added a comment to T153315: Pasting annotated wikitext results in double encoding and therefore <nowiki>s.

I'll add another voice to the chorus saying that CTRL-V needs to be a plain text paste. The formatted paste behavior is disruptive.

Mar 11 2017, 8:03 PM · Regression, User-Ryasmeen, MW-1.30-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2017-07-11_(1.30.0-wmf.9)), VisualEditor-CopyPaste, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, VisualEditor

Mar 9 2017

Alsee added a comment to T99924: Unable to click on links in templates.

If we let you interact with a template, we let you edit it.

Mar 9 2017, 6:45 AM · VisualEditor

Mar 8 2017

Alsee added a comment to T105498: Remove empty "See also"-section.
Mar 8 2017, 8:28 PM · WorkType-NewFunctionality, AutoWikiBrowser
Alsee added a comment to T105498: Remove empty "See also"-section.

I don't think it's a good idea to start singling out arbitrary section titles. Any empty section is almost never a desired permanent state. However it's not that unusual for sections to be empty while an article is being built, or when it's awaiting content, or when there is a debate in progress on what should/shouldn't be there.

Mar 8 2017, 8:27 PM · WorkType-NewFunctionality, AutoWikiBrowser
Alsee added a comment to T6715: Allow comments longer than 255 bytes.

I know next to squat about databases, so I apologize if this is incredibly dumb or obvious. Would it help to: Create the new comment table as write-only, fill it at leisure, and switch all reads&writes to the new table after it fully mirrors the existing data? Then increase the comment limit and clean up the old unused data at leisure.
That at least avoids the need to check both places during reads.

Mar 8 2017, 4:52 PM · Hindi-Sites, Malayalam-Sites, Community-Tech, User-notice, Schema-change, MediaWiki-Database

Mar 7 2017

Alsee added a comment to T159032: Single Edit Tab global default change.

The task is a four letter edit.

Mar 7 2017, 7:40 PM · VisualEditor-MediaWiki, VisualEditor, Wikimedia-Site-requests