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Yesterday

Alsee added a comment to T193857: Support 'noreplace' keyword in {{SHORTDESC}}.

@Pbsouthwood, I also originally thought the simple and obvious answer was to use the first description. I definitely see some ugly and backwards aspects of using noreplace. However on deep thought, noreplace is probably the right answer. Consider an infobox that tries to add an automatic description, and an editor adds a short description template somewhere below that infobox. Yes yes, that's unthinkably gross and bizarre. The reason I did think of it is because I've already seen it. The description was either below the infobox, or it was below the infobox & below the lead. Gross... but it's a wiki.... we gotta expect stuff like that. If we use "first description" then we'd get the infobox-auto-description. If we use noreplace then the human description can be given priority. I think noreplace is probably what we want, even if it is a bit ugly.

Sun, May 20, 12:00 AM · Reading-Infrastructure-Team-Backlog (Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata

Fri, May 11

Alsee added a comment to T162474: Revisit the app restriction on non-free images in non-article contexts.

Hi @JMinor. I'm the one who originally suggested enabling non-free images for PagePreviews, and I organized the community endorsement for it. However it doesn't look like non-free images will work in the two cases you described.

Fri, May 11, 9:19 PM · Wikipedia-iOS-App-Backlog

Fri, Apr 27

Alsee renamed T187070: Investigate the performance of visual diffs when user pastes a huge, complex article into another one from Investigate the performance of visual diffs when user pastes a huge, complex article into another one to Investigate the performance of visual diffs for large diffs.
Fri, Apr 27, 5:20 AM · MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-02-27 (1.31.0-wmf.23)), VisualEditor (Current work), Performance, VisualEditor-VisualDiffs
Alsee added a comment to T187070: Investigate the performance of visual diffs when user pastes a huge, complex article into another one.

Visual Diff is still completely failing on large diffs. Tested in three browsers on two computers.

Fri, Apr 27, 5:17 AM · MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-02-27 (1.31.0-wmf.23)), VisualEditor (Current work), Performance, VisualEditor-VisualDiffs

Mar 17 2018

Alsee added a comment to T186463: Uninstall Flow from Commons.
Mar 17 2018, 2:00 PM · Commons, Patch-For-Review, Wikimedia-Site-requests, Collaboration-Team-Triage, StructuredDiscussions

Mar 15 2018

Alsee added a comment to T153306: Have Show preview and Review your changes more directly accessible in the New Wikitext Editor.

@Dvorapa, the proposed change doesn't fix the problem. You're still going to have an unending stream of people filing the same bug report.

Mar 15 2018, 1:29 PM · Patch-For-Review, VisualEditor (Current work), Design, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor

Mar 14 2018

Alsee added a comment to T153306: Have Show preview and Review your changes more directly accessible in the New Wikitext Editor.

If this is deployed as in the above screenshot there will be an unending stream of complaints that the preview button needs to be more directly accessible.

Mar 14 2018, 4:04 PM · Patch-For-Review, VisualEditor (Current work), Design, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor
Alsee added a comment to T57370: [Epic] VisualEditor: Implement some form of auto-save to help with browser crash recovery and accidental tab closing.

@Deskana ah good. I posted the info here when I couldn't find any mention or task of the 'switching editors' issue. Should the new task be added to the Related Objects task graph?

Mar 14 2018, 3:23 PM · User-notice, MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-03-06 (1.31.0-wmf.24)), VisualEditor (Current work), Community-Wishlist-Survey-2017, Community-Tech, Front-end-Standards-Group, Epic, VisualEditor-MediaWiki
Alsee added a comment to T57370: [Epic] VisualEditor: Implement some form of auto-save to help with browser crash recovery and accidental tab closing.

@Aklapper are you kidding? This is clearly a serious bug in the new code, and it directly relates to the discussion in the previous dozen comments.

Mar 14 2018, 2:45 PM · User-notice, MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-03-06 (1.31.0-wmf.24)), VisualEditor (Current work), Community-Wishlist-Survey-2017, Community-Tech, Front-end-Standards-Group, Epic, VisualEditor-MediaWiki

Mar 13 2018

Alsee added a comment to T57370: [Epic] VisualEditor: Implement some form of auto-save to help with browser crash recovery and accidental tab closing.

Report from VisualEditor/Feedback:
Whenever I switch from VE to the source editor, and then switch back to VE, it literally deletes the changes I made with the source editor, and then it gives me a ridiculous message saying the following:
"Changes recovered Your unsaved changes have been automatically recovered."
Well, thanks, but how do I get rid of this? Now I can't use VE properly anymore.

Mar 13 2018, 10:08 PM · User-notice, MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-03-06 (1.31.0-wmf.24)), VisualEditor (Current work), Community-Wishlist-Survey-2017, Community-Tech, Front-end-Standards-Group, Epic, VisualEditor-MediaWiki

Mar 7 2018

Alsee added a comment to T95543: Obviate the need for wikis' wrapper and functionality-replacement templates.

If you want no-one wants (or needs) these templates let's examine what that means. There is discussion of putting the new #shortdesc keyword in a template. Here's a list of functionality currently planned, or under consideration:

Mar 7 2018, 6:42 PM · VisualEditor, Contributors-Team

Mar 6 2018

Alsee updated subscribers of T188577: Add a config setting making all Flow boards read-only.
Mar 6 2018, 5:58 PM · MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-03-13 (1.31.0-wmf.25)), Patch-For-Review, StructuredDiscussions, Collaboration-Team-Triage
Alsee added a comment to T188806: create a Flow uninstall script.

@TheDJ thank you.

rewriting stuff introduces significant risks when the system is complex

Mar 6 2018, 5:45 PM · Commons, StructuredDiscussions, Collaboration-Team-Triage

Mar 4 2018

Alsee added a comment to T186463: Uninstall Flow from Commons.

+1 to @Krenair's history/logs/etc. be converted where possible to be in a core-native format (wikitext).

Mar 4 2018, 11:13 PM · Commons, Patch-For-Review, Wikimedia-Site-requests, Collaboration-Team-Triage, StructuredDiscussions
Alsee added a comment to T154844: New Wikitext Editor: Previews use the article-view rendering engine.

I'm copying related concerns submitted at 2017 wikitext editor/Feedback:

  • Accidental misspelling of a category's name is not seen in the preview.
  • List of used templates won't get updated.
  • The effect of {{lowercase title}} or other title-changing code cannot be previewed.
  • Category changes resulting from addition of new templates do not appear in the preview. For example, try inserting a {{Use British English}} template in English Wikipedia.
Mar 4 2018, 7:42 PM · VisualEditor, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor

Mar 3 2018

Alsee awarded T188812: Uninstall Flow on all wikis where it has zero topics a Love token.
Mar 3 2018, 11:50 PM · User-notice-collaboration, Patch-For-Review, Collaboration-Team-Triage, Technical-Debt, Wikimedia-Site-requests, StructuredDiscussions
Jeff_G awarded T186463: Uninstall Flow from Commons a Mountain of Wealth token.
Mar 3 2018, 7:11 PM · Commons, Patch-For-Review, Wikimedia-Site-requests, Collaboration-Team-Triage, StructuredDiscussions
Alsee added a comment to T188806: create a Flow uninstall script.

Just to toss out another idea, is it possible to delete or sanitize the objectionable log entries?

Mar 3 2018, 9:04 AM · Commons, StructuredDiscussions, Collaboration-Team-Triage
Alsee added a comment to T186463: Uninstall Flow from Commons.
Mar 3 2018, 6:32 AM · Commons, Patch-For-Review, Wikimedia-Site-requests, Collaboration-Team-Triage, StructuredDiscussions
Alsee added a comment to T188577: Add a config setting making all Flow boards read-only.

Building a superprotect for Flow is a really really REALLY bad idea.

Mar 3 2018, 6:10 AM · MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-03-13 (1.31.0-wmf.25)), Patch-For-Review, StructuredDiscussions, Collaboration-Team-Triage
Alsee added a comment to T188577: Add a config setting making all Flow boards read-only.
Mar 3 2018, 4:12 AM · MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-03-13 (1.31.0-wmf.25)), Patch-For-Review, StructuredDiscussions, Collaboration-Team-Triage
Alsee closed T188577: Add a config setting making all Flow boards read-only as Invalid.
Mar 3 2018, 4:11 AM · MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-03-13 (1.31.0-wmf.25)), Patch-For-Review, StructuredDiscussions, Collaboration-Team-Triage

Mar 2 2018

Alsee added a comment to T153306: Have Show preview and Review your changes more directly accessible in the New Wikitext Editor.

Adding another complaint reported at Mediawiki 2017 wikitext editor/Feedback.

Mar 2 2018, 4:18 AM · Patch-For-Review, VisualEditor (Current work), Design, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor

Mar 1 2018

Alsee added a comment to T153315: Pasting annotated wikitext results in double encoding and therefore <nowiki>s.

Firstly, please provide diffs for the offending edits that have nowiki tags in them, as I can't know what's going wrong without them.

Mar 1 2018, 9:48 PM · Regression, User-Ryasmeen, MW-1.30-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2017-07-11_(1.30.0-wmf.9)), VisualEditor-CopyPaste, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, VisualEditor
Alsee added a comment to T186463: Uninstall Flow from Commons.

@Aklapper I took note of your request that I not ping you. I explicitly avoided doing so. However you just pinged me. And pinged me with unreasonable criticism to boot.

Mar 1 2018, 1:06 AM · Commons, Patch-For-Review, Wikimedia-Site-requests, Collaboration-Team-Triage, StructuredDiscussions

Feb 28 2018

Alsee added a comment to T187690: Copy-pasting section headings emits JS error and doesn't let you save.

I tried testing the bug mentioned just above, at this revision of the EnWiki article Sonic_X-treme.

Feb 28 2018, 6:18 PM · MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-03-13 (1.31.0-wmf.25)), VisualEditor (Current work), VisualEditor-CopyPaste

Feb 27 2018

Alsee added a comment to T186463: Uninstall Flow from Commons.

@DannyH thanks for replying. I can hang on for a response "by the end of this week". However I do have to pointedly note that you were also non-responsive on why the task was halted and what is being discussed.

Feb 27 2018, 10:21 PM · Commons, Patch-For-Review, Wikimedia-Site-requests, Collaboration-Team-Triage, StructuredDiscussions

Feb 23 2018

Alsee added a comment to T186463: Uninstall Flow from Commons.

@Mattflaschen-WMF @Aklapper or anyone else:
The RFC was closed on January 26. I'm planning to post a 'one month update' to the Village Pump RFC at Commons, on or around Feb 26.

Feb 23 2018, 11:12 AM · Commons, Patch-For-Review, Wikimedia-Site-requests, Collaboration-Team-Triage, StructuredDiscussions

Feb 21 2018

Alsee added a comment to T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description.

According to the API info, it looks like a pageterms API call is doing the correct thing, returning a Wikidata value. That probably shouldn't be broken. It appears the issue is the bits of code making the API calls. They are explicitly requesting Wikidata values.

Feb 21 2018, 4:44 PM · Wikipedia-iOS-App-Backlog, MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-03-13 (1.31.0-wmf.25)), Reading-Infrastructure-Team-Backlog (Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata, Community-Tech
Alsee added a comment to T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description.

@Tgr thanks for catching my sloppy hatmaking example. Hatmaking is an illustration for a completely different serious bug - interwiki links are badly broken. 75% of the interwiki links are missing from the English article , and 75% of languages with an article are missing interwiki links to English version.

Feb 21 2018, 9:09 AM · Wikipedia-iOS-App-Backlog, MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-03-13 (1.31.0-wmf.25)), Reading-Infrastructure-Team-Backlog (Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata, Community-Tech

Feb 20 2018

Alsee added a comment to T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description.

I'm not familiar with all of the API issues, but if this helps:
The magicword Shortdesc: is actually a description of the article. The Wikidata label is a description of the Wikidata item. Someone thought Wikidata labels could conveniently be re-used as if they were article descriptions. But they aren't article descriptions.

Feb 20 2018, 8:16 PM · Wikipedia-iOS-App-Backlog, MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-03-13 (1.31.0-wmf.25)), Reading-Infrastructure-Team-Backlog (Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata, Community-Tech

Feb 16 2018

Alsee added a comment to T186463: Uninstall Flow from Commons.

@Zoranzoki21, thanks. Is the block potentially related to this task???!?

Feb 16 2018, 1:23 PM · Commons, Patch-For-Review, Wikimedia-Site-requests, Collaboration-Team-Triage, StructuredDiscussions
Alsee added a comment to T186463: Uninstall Flow from Commons.

@Zoranzoki21 thanks for so quickly addressing this task. A four minute response time and a 15 minute gerrit submission was impressive. Could you provide an update on why your efforts were halted? As well as if or when the task expected to be completed?

Feb 16 2018, 8:35 AM · Commons, Patch-For-Review, Wikimedia-Site-requests, Collaboration-Team-Triage, StructuredDiscussions

Feb 14 2018

Alsee added a comment to T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description.

@DannyH, if you dispute the close result then this is not the way to handle the situation.

Feb 14 2018, 11:07 AM · Wikipedia-iOS-App-Backlog, MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-03-13 (1.31.0-wmf.25)), Reading-Infrastructure-Team-Backlog (Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata, Community-Tech
Alsee updated the task description for T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description.
Feb 14 2018, 11:06 AM · Wikipedia-iOS-App-Backlog, MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-03-13 (1.31.0-wmf.25)), Reading-Infrastructure-Team-Backlog (Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata, Community-Tech
Alsee updated subscribers of T187285: Magic word on English WP to replace Wikidata short descriptions.

@MZMcBride, I'd like to first note that this task is not about "what I want". Half of the text here is copied from T184000 written by @DannyH. The other half reflects an RFC community consensus. In fact I supported DannyH's version during the RFC. I am submitting the consensus result on behalf of the community.

Feb 14 2018, 7:20 AM · MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata
Alsee added a comment to T187285: Magic word on English WP to replace Wikidata short descriptions.

Not in scope of this task:

  1. It's hard for EnWiki editors to see vandalism or changes to Wikidata content:
    1. Showing Wikidata changes on EnWiki watchlists is not in scope. Locally defined descriptions resolves this issue natively.
  2. Editing Wikidata content requires going to another site:
    1. Providing a remote-editing UI to modify Wikidata content from the Wikipedia site is not in scope. Locally defined descriptions resolves this issue natively.
  3. Edits to Wikidata bypass EnWiki page protection:
    1. Removing Wikidata-Admin userrights to add/remove edit-protection on Wikidata English-descriptions and effectively assigning these rights to EnWiki Admins is not in scope. Locally defined descriptions resolves this issue natively.
  4. Wikidata content is subject to Wikidata policies and Administrative enforcement:
    1. Removing Wikidata-Admin userrights to block EnWiki users&Admins from editing Wikidata English-descriptions and assigning these rights to EnWiki Admins is not in scope. Locally defined descriptions resolves this issue natively.

(Any alternate proposal for the above item(s) should be sure to include all four.)

Feb 14 2018, 5:25 AM · MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata
Alsee added a comment to T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description.

Closed as invalid. There is no request for this task.

Feb 14 2018, 5:24 AM · Wikipedia-iOS-App-Backlog, MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-03-13 (1.31.0-wmf.25)), Reading-Infrastructure-Team-Backlog (Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata, Community-Tech
Alsee closed T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description as Invalid.
Feb 14 2018, 5:24 AM · Wikipedia-iOS-App-Backlog, MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-03-13 (1.31.0-wmf.25)), Reading-Infrastructure-Team-Backlog (Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata, Community-Tech
Alsee created T187285: Magic word on English WP to replace Wikidata short descriptions.
Feb 14 2018, 5:23 AM · MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata
Alsee added a comment to T145522: [feature request] how to clean up redirects in sitelinks.

Followup: I just found an explicit Wikidata consensus Wikidata links to Wikipedia redirect pages are allowed.

Feb 14 2018, 12:17 AM · Need-volunteer, MediaWiki-Redirects, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata

Feb 13 2018

Alsee added a comment to T186463: Uninstall Flow from Commons.

@Aklapper please don't go in pointless circles. Progress on this task was halted with a -2 code review and an order "Do not merge".

Feb 13 2018, 10:36 PM · Commons, Patch-For-Review, Wikimedia-Site-requests, Collaboration-Team-Triage, StructuredDiscussions
Alsee added a comment to T63729: Remove Flow from Meta-Wiki.

This applies to any extension with log types, not just StructuredDiscussions. It's expected behavior. There is no solution other than code duplication (which is okay if that's the best solution, but no one has explained why it is in this case).

Feb 13 2018, 2:31 PM · User-notice-collaboration, Patch-For-Review, Community-Liaisons, Collaboration-Team-Triage, StructuredDiscussions, Wikimedia-Site-requests
Alsee added a comment to T186463: Uninstall Flow from Commons.

@Aklapper I did not ask for all other work do be dropped. I was amazed when this task was picked up within four minutes. I was even more impressed when a patch was written and uploaded to gerrit within fifteen minutes.

Feb 13 2018, 1:38 PM · Commons, Patch-For-Review, Wikimedia-Site-requests, Collaboration-Team-Triage, StructuredDiscussions
Alsee updated subscribers of T186463: Uninstall Flow from Commons.

@Mattflaschen-WMF at gerrit you added:

Code-Review-2
Under discussion by the team. Do not merge at this time.

Feb 13 2018, 3:34 AM · Commons, Patch-For-Review, Wikimedia-Site-requests, Collaboration-Team-Triage, StructuredDiscussions

Feb 9 2018

Alsee added a comment to T145522: [feature request] how to clean up redirects in sitelinks.

In an ealier post here, matej_suchanek posted a link to Wikilinks_and_redirects.

Feb 9 2018, 12:44 AM · Need-volunteer, MediaWiki-Redirects, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata

Feb 8 2018

Alsee added a comment to T54564: Allow sitelinks to redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'.

I believe discussing this as a "Bonnie and Clyde problem" has led to flawed examination and flawed arguments, due to the example cited.

Feb 8 2018, 9:59 PM · Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository
Alsee reopened T178248: Move visual diff out of beta in visual and 2017 wikitext editors as "Open".
Feb 8 2018, 7:23 AM · User-Ryasmeen, MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-02-06 (1.31.0-wmf.20)), User-notice, Epic, VisualEditor, VisualEditor-VisualDiffs
Alsee added a comment to T178248: Move visual diff out of beta in visual and 2017 wikitext editors.

When I saw Visual Diff was coming our of beta and made default in Visual mode, I tried testing it. The very first test blew up on two different computers.

Feb 8 2018, 7:22 AM · User-Ryasmeen, MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-02-06 (1.31.0-wmf.20)), User-notice, Epic, VisualEditor, VisualEditor-VisualDiffs

Feb 7 2018

Alsee added a comment to T153306: Have Show preview and Review your changes more directly accessible in the New Wikitext Editor.

Adding another complaint reported at Mediawiki 2017 wikitext editor/Feedback.

Feb 7 2018, 11:16 PM · Patch-For-Review, VisualEditor (Current work), Design, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor
Alsee removed a parent task for T186632: Create shortcut/alias for aligned parameter style in TemplateData: T179259: Visual Editor removing whitespace from infoboxes by default.
Feb 7 2018, 9:08 AM · TemplateData, User-Ryasmeen, Parsoid, VisualEditor
Alsee removed a subtask for T179259: Visual Editor removing whitespace from infoboxes by default: T186632: Create shortcut/alias for aligned parameter style in TemplateData.
Feb 7 2018, 9:08 AM · User-Ryasmeen, Parsoid, VisualEditor
Alsee added a comment to T186632: Create shortcut/alias for aligned parameter style in TemplateData.

@kaldari it doesn't mitigate T179259 at all. It is more likely to increase dirty diffs than reduce them, making the problem worse. And it does nothing to prevent VE from editwarring.

Feb 7 2018, 9:08 AM · TemplateData, User-Ryasmeen, Parsoid, VisualEditor
Alsee added a comment to T186632: Create shortcut/alias for aligned parameter style in TemplateData.

Is there a reason this is a subtask of T179259? They both involve working on the same region of code, but the tasks are not related.

Feb 7 2018, 12:55 AM · TemplateData, User-Ryasmeen, Parsoid, VisualEditor

Feb 6 2018

Alsee added a comment to T171093: Performance review of Editing features.

Note: VisualEditor already sends load time values back to the server, however actual user-experienced load times are almost twice as long as reported.

Feb 6 2018, 11:59 PM · VisualEditor-Performance, VisualEditor, Performance-Team
Alsee added a comment to T63729: Remove Flow from Meta-Wiki.

Considering that the extension is uninstalled, I'd say those log issues are pretty insignificant.

Feb 6 2018, 11:01 PM · User-notice-collaboration, Patch-For-Review, Community-Liaisons, Collaboration-Team-Triage, StructuredDiscussions, Wikimedia-Site-requests

Feb 5 2018

Alsee added a comment to T179259: Visual Editor removing whitespace from infoboxes by default.

@ssastry I was hoping it would be sufficient to cite the known issue of dirty diffs and the fact that people clearly want this fixed. I previously drafted-but-cut a longer explanation. I wanted to avoid posting a rantish wall-of-text. But ok. Maybe better understanding will help. Let's start here:

it felt like a reasonable trade-off to reduce code complexity since it will also gradually get more transclusions comply with the editor-desired formatting for the template.

If someone is using VE to add a template, and the WMF is not allowing that person to see or control the formatting, it's not unreasonable for a random individual editor to add a suggested-format to templatedata. However that individual absolutely does not have authority to impose a Wikipedia-wide bot-run to forcibly covert everyone else's pre-existing work to their preferred style. Editors at those pre-existing articles may have a good reason for a different style, and in some cases it's simply a matter of difference of opinion on which is the best/preferred style.

Feb 5 2018, 7:43 PM · User-Ryasmeen, Parsoid, VisualEditor
Alsee added a comment to T179259: Visual Editor removing whitespace from infoboxes by default.

@cscott you suggested two options. One, you yet-again proposed "custom format string", which we have told you DOESN'T FIX ANYTHING. That will still mangle existing parameters.

Feb 5 2018, 5:27 PM · User-Ryasmeen, Parsoid, VisualEditor

Feb 4 2018

Alsee created T186463: Uninstall Flow from Commons.
Feb 4 2018, 6:01 PM · Commons, Patch-For-Review, Wikimedia-Site-requests, Collaboration-Team-Triage, StructuredDiscussions

Feb 3 2018

Alsee added a comment to T179259: Visual Editor removing whitespace from infoboxes by default.

@cscott, thanks but unhelpful. What templatedata value should I use to tell VE not to mangle existing content? If there's an answer I will happily close this task as resolved, and I will open a community process to convert every templatedata to use that value.

Feb 3 2018, 5:57 PM · User-Ryasmeen, Parsoid, VisualEditor
Alsee added a comment to T179259: Visual Editor removing whitespace from infoboxes by default.

The parameter reordering issue was addressed (yeay), but the original task here was to stop stripping whitespace. Here's a test edit showing that the problem still exists.

Feb 3 2018, 12:05 AM · User-Ryasmeen, Parsoid, VisualEditor
Alsee reopened T179259: Visual Editor removing whitespace from infoboxes by default as "Open".
Feb 3 2018, 12:02 AM · User-Ryasmeen, Parsoid, VisualEditor

Jan 31 2018

Alsee added a comment to T184857: Problems with editing huge pages.

@Niharika, we're all supposed to be on the same team. The suggestion that the community doesn't care about new users is not merely offensive, it's dangerous.

Jan 31 2018, 6:19 PM · MediaWiki-extensions-CodeMirror, VisualEditor-Performance, VisualEditor, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor

Jan 27 2018

Alsee added a comment to T184857: Problems with editing huge pages.

I had assumed that the performance and other issues with the New Editor would have been well known / well communicated within the WMF.

Jan 27 2018, 7:20 AM · MediaWiki-extensions-CodeMirror, VisualEditor-Performance, VisualEditor, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor

Dec 3 2017

Alsee added a comment to T146781: Show changes in moved text chunks (C++).

Thanks for working on this. I reviewed some of the sample diffs.

Dec 3 2017, 11:11 AM · WMDE-QWERTY-Sprint-2017-09-05, WMDE-QWERTY-Sprint-2017-08-22, WMDE-QWERTY-Sprint-2017-07-25, wikidiff2, Patch-For-Review, WMDE-QWERTY-Team, WMDE-QWERTY-Team-Experimental-Sprint, German-Community-Wishlist, MediaWiki-History-or-Diffs, TCB-Team
Alsee added a comment to T140340: Connect moved paragraphs by arrows.

The current demo uses curvy arrows pointing right and left. They strike me as kinda weird. I think it would be more natural and more clear if they were basic arrows pointing up or down (toward the other half of the pair.)

Dec 3 2017, 10:58 AM · German-Community-Wishlist, Design, WMDE-Design, TCB-Team

Nov 7 2017

Alsee added a comment to T179259: Visual Editor removing whitespace from infoboxes by default.

A lot of the discussion here is appears to be missing the point. As it see it, the issue is fairly simple:

Nov 7 2017, 7:23 PM · User-Ryasmeen, Parsoid, VisualEditor

Nov 1 2017

Alsee added a comment to T169924: Option to disable notifications about 1st, 10th, etc. edit ("You made your <milestone> edit!").

@Quiddity I don't understand what you mean [using global edit count] wouldn't solve the entire complexity of it all. Are you saying that wouldn't generate enough notifications? Or are you saying there's some technical problem? Or something else?

Nov 1 2017, 11:27 AM · Notifications, Collaboration-Team-Triage
Alsee added a comment to T114432: [RFC] Heredoc arguments for templates (aka "hygienic" or "long" arguments).

inside a template and immediately follows a | or = with no whitespace *and* the >>> is immediately followed by a | or }}

Nov 1 2017, 11:02 AM · Patch-For-Review, Parsing-Team, Wikimedia-Developer-Summit-2016, TechCom-RFC

Oct 22 2017

Alsee added a comment to T169924: Option to disable notifications about 1st, 10th, etc. edit ("You made your <milestone> edit!").

@Aklapper I'm not sure how to handle this. T178735 was merged here because it addresses the same issue, but I disagree with the task being proposed here. This is task is defined as a child of Support global preferences. Should I alter the task tile & description to address the problem in general?

Oct 22 2017, 2:33 AM · Notifications, Collaboration-Team-Triage

Oct 21 2017

Alsee added a comment to T158474: User:Unknown_user editing in dewiki.

My patch above only ensures that it's impossible to actually register that username and make real edits using it.

You can document its purpose on its user page, like it was done e.g. for https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Maintenance_script.

Oct 21 2017, 6:16 PM · MW-1.29-release-notes, MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2017-02-14_(1.29.0-wmf.12)), MW-1.29-release (WMF-deploy-2017-02-21_(1.29.0-wmf.13)), Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown, MediaWiki-Export-or-Import
Alsee added a comment to T121338: Better handling of revision deletion on import.

Note user:Unknown_user already existed on EnWiki (and only on EnWiki). It was created and briefly used for a few days in 2004. It has 126 edits. Any username should always be checked for existence before using it for any system purpose.

Oct 21 2017, 6:02 PM · MW-1.27-release (WMF-deploy-2016-01-12_(1.27.0-wmf.10)), MW-1.27-release-notes, Patch-For-Review, MediaWiki-Revision-deletion, MediaWiki-Export-or-Import
Alsee added a project to T178735: milestone edit notification spam: Notifications.
Oct 21 2017, 10:09 AM · Collaboration-Team-Triage, Notifications
Alsee created T178735: milestone edit notification spam.
Oct 21 2017, 10:09 AM · Collaboration-Team-Triage, Notifications

Oct 20 2017

Alsee added a comment to T114432: [RFC] Heredoc arguments for templates (aka "hygienic" or "long" arguments).

I believe the proper behavior (meaning the easiest to understand and most expected behavior) is to just protect the wrapped content then behave as if the <<< and >>> don't exist. This does a good job of covering most of the listed edge cases. For example:

{{foo |<<<You know someone's going to do >>> this at some point accidentally. What happens?}}

would be identical to

{{foo |You know someone's going to do  this at some point accidentally. What happens?}}
Oct 20 2017, 5:48 PM · Patch-For-Review, Parsing-Team, Wikimedia-Developer-Summit-2016, TechCom-RFC
Elitre awarded T154843: New Wikitext Editor: Major improvement to load time and preview time a Love token.
Oct 20 2017, 2:07 PM · Performance, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, VisualEditor, VisualEditor-MediaWiki, Epic

Oct 11 2017

Alsee added a comment to T171027: "Read timeout is reached" DBQueryError when trying to load specific users' watchlists (with +1000 articles) on several wikis.

This is a hugely political issue.

Oct 11 2017, 10:29 PM · MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2017-10-03 (1.31.0-wmf.2)), User-notice, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata-Former-Sprint-Board, Patch-For-Review, Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-This-Quarter), DBA, Wikidata, Commons, Contributors-Team, Wikimedia-log-errors, MW-1.30-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2017-08-08_(1.30.0-wmf.13)), Russian-Sites, Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown, Performance, MediaWiki-Watchlist

Oct 3 2017

Alsee added a comment to T172297: Freeze upon trying to preview.

Many people experience this. Using Visual Editor for previews is often absurdly slow, upwards of a minute in some cases. From a UX perspective, there is little meaningful difference between:

  1. freezing for over thirty seconds then successfully showing a preview;
  2. freezing for over thirty hours then successfully showing a preview; or
  3. freezing permanently.
Oct 3 2017, 9:33 AM · VisualEditor, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor

Oct 1 2017

Alsee added a comment to T177160: Improving PageImages filtering of non-free images.

As has already been demonstrated, running two parallel systems to track the same information is unreliable. And you acknowledge that more work would be needed (T131896) trying to fix the span method. Given that "Using the category is easy", I'm puzzled why you'd even bother advocating invisible, unreliable, duplicate, currently-broken method which needs repairs?

Oct 1 2017, 2:57 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Tracking), Multimedia, CommonsMetadata, PageImages
Alsee added a comment to T175158: Make it possible to manually exclude unsuitable pages from related articles.

There have been a lot of objections to RelatedPages putting pseudo-random links on articles. Putting Islam on Misogyny, fascism on a politician, I think Pig-faced woman ended up on a woman's biography. It just put promotional links for two brands of tissue on the Facial_tissue article, and one of the links literally included an image of an advertisement for that brand. The WMF slapped an advertisement on the article. I'm just waiting for someone to find Pedophilia on someone's biography.

Oct 1 2017, 1:22 PM · User-Johan, Readers-Web-Backlog (Tracking), Discovery-Search, Discovery, CirrusSearch, RelatedArticles
Alsee added a comment to T177122: Non-free images incorrectly appearing in RelatedPages.

To staff/devs: Thanks for the quick fix here.

Oct 1 2017, 3:04 AM · Reading-Web-Local-Wiki-Issues, Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown
Alsee updated the task description for T177160: Improving PageImages filtering of non-free images.
Oct 1 2017, 3:00 AM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Tracking), Multimedia, CommonsMetadata, PageImages
Alsee created T177160: Improving PageImages filtering of non-free images.
Oct 1 2017, 2:54 AM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Tracking), Multimedia, CommonsMetadata, PageImages

Sep 30 2017

Elitre awarded T177122: Non-free images incorrectly appearing in RelatedPages a Like token.
Sep 30 2017, 12:07 PM · Reading-Web-Local-Wiki-Issues, Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown

Sep 29 2017

Alsee added projects to T177122: Non-free images incorrectly appearing in RelatedPages: RelatedArticles, PageImages.
Sep 29 2017, 10:38 PM · Reading-Web-Local-Wiki-Issues, Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown
Alsee created T177122: Non-free images incorrectly appearing in RelatedPages.
Sep 29 2017, 10:16 PM · Reading-Web-Local-Wiki-Issues, Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown

Sep 17 2017

Alsee added a comment to T160077: UI changes for showing changes in moved text chunks.

First, a huge thank you for working on showing moves in diff! YEAY!

Sep 17 2017, 5:48 AM · WMDE-QWERTY-Sprint-2017-09-05, WMDE-QWERTY-Sprint-2017-08-22, WMDE-QWERTY-Sprint-2017-07-25, WMDE-QWERTY-Team, German-Community-Wishlist, MediaWiki-History-or-Diffs, TCB-Team

Aug 27 2017

Alsee added a comment to T6521: Colon (:) & semicolon (;) shouldn't output as HTML definition list when used for indentation, boldfacing.

Some of the comments above suggested treating article pages and talk pages differently. That's a mistake. A generic page should be presumed to contain both article content and discussions. Copying arbitrary article content to any page is a fundamental part of our work.

Aug 27 2017, 10:02 AM · Parsoid, Accessibility, MediaWiki-Parser

Aug 9 2017

Alsee added a comment to T172893: User contribution diff sequence viewer.

To put it more succinctly, I want a "mode" where the next&previous links are tied to the user rather than tied to the page. I just can't think of a good place or method in the interface to request that mode.

Aug 9 2017, 5:31 PM · Anti-Harassment

Aug 5 2017

Alsee added a comment to T57370: [Epic] VisualEditor: Implement some form of auto-save to help with browser crash recovery and accidental tab closing.

@Whatamidoing-WMF
I am admittedly stretching the limits of what I know about javascript, but it appears something like

textarea.on('input', ...

solves that issue. I'm unsure, but a little extra code may be needed to catch cut/paste via right click.

Aug 5 2017, 3:03 PM · User-notice, MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-03-06 (1.31.0-wmf.24)), VisualEditor (Current work), Community-Wishlist-Survey-2017, Community-Tech, Front-end-Standards-Group, Epic, VisualEditor-MediaWiki

Aug 3 2017

Alsee added a comment to T57370: [Epic] VisualEditor: Implement some form of auto-save to help with browser crash recovery and accidental tab closing.

Because it isn't actually possible in the older wikitext editors.

Aug 3 2017, 7:58 AM · User-notice, MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-03-06 (1.31.0-wmf.24)), VisualEditor (Current work), Community-Wishlist-Survey-2017, Community-Tech, Front-end-Standards-Group, Epic, VisualEditor-MediaWiki

Aug 1 2017

Alsee added a comment to T57370: [Epic] VisualEditor: Implement some form of auto-save to help with browser crash recovery and accidental tab closing.

Why is this described as a Visual Editor task? Visual Editor is a minor secondary editor, only used for a small percentage of edits. If auto save is implemented, it's certainly reasonable to also implement it in the secondary editor as well (VE).

Aug 1 2017, 7:08 PM · User-notice, MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-03-06 (1.31.0-wmf.24)), VisualEditor (Current work), Community-Wishlist-Survey-2017, Community-Tech, Front-end-Standards-Group, Epic, VisualEditor-MediaWiki

Jul 24 2017

Alsee added a comment to T164292: Long search times for combo of “Very likely good” + (“Likely bad faith” OR "V. likely bad faith" OR "May be bad faith").

It would be rare for someone to deliberately search for bad-faith likely-good edits, so this is not a major issue. Perhaps just display a message that the search may be slow.

Jul 24 2017, 6:57 PM · Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-This-Quarter), Edit-Review-Improvements-RC-Page

Jun 29 2017

Alsee added a comment to T169253: Zotero translator returning JS in author field.

The website vcard for the author contains an email wrapped in javascript protection. The javascript is getting copied as text, as if it's a list of additional authors. I'm not sure if the problem is on our end, or if their website is doing something invalid.

Jun 29 2017, 7:37 PM · VisualEditor, Citoid
Alsee added a comment to T155732: Provide a Preview panel that doesn't obscure the wikitext box and maybe the skin's sidebar (?).

With the NewEditor it takes me over half a minute to preview United_States just once, and over five minutes staring at the blue VE-loading-bar if I want to jump between article-text and preview ten times.

Did you try Shift-Alt-P to see preview? This way it loads without the blue VE-loading-bar.

I was a little sloppy, preview shows moving gray stripes instead of a blue loading bar. It's the same problem though. Previews appear to be cached, so if you aren't actually editing then repeat previews "only" takes ~8 seconds (~4 seconds to switch ~4 seconds to switch back). However if you're actually working, each keypress kills the cache. A preview takes ~30-35 seconds to load, plus ~4 to switch back. So ten previews is over 6 minutes. Usually I just use one preview before saving, which is still an appalling and unusable performance. But yeah, sometimes we easily hit ten or more previews while working. Having preview on the same screen as the wikitext matters a lot.

Jun 29 2017, 4:00 PM · Design, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, VisualEditor

Jun 28 2017

Alsee added a comment to T168638: VE occasionally opens a link within a template instead of the template's settings when clicked.

Based on the video , it looks like the blue box was't fully covering the link. Hypothesis: If rendering of the blue box is delayed or the location is offset, the underlying link is exposed and clickable?

Jun 28 2017, 5:56 PM · VisualEditor

Jun 25 2017

Alsee added a comment to T154111: NWE shouldn't mark inserted ISBN with <nowiki> tags.

I did a little experimentation. It appears this bug is being triggered by T153315. Instead of doing a normal copy-paste, the NewEditor defaults to trying to convert HTML into wikitext. When it sees the italics it triggers HTML->Wikitext conversion. Then nowikis get spammed into your wikitext.

Jun 25 2017, 9:59 PM · VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, User-Urbanecm, VisualEditor
Alsee added a comment to T155732: Provide a Preview panel that doesn't obscure the wikitext box and maybe the skin's sidebar (?).

With the current editor it doesn't matter how long the article is. Everything is on one long screen. I simply highlight some unique text and use the browser search on it. Pressing F3 then jumps back and forth between article text and the matching wikitext.

Jun 25 2017, 8:04 PM · Design, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, VisualEditor

Jun 22 2017

Alsee renamed T154843: New Wikitext Editor: Major improvement to load time and preview time from New Wikitext Editor: Major improvement to load time to edit to New Wikitext Editor: Major improvement to load time and preview time.
Jun 22 2017, 2:53 AM · Performance, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor, VisualEditor, VisualEditor-MediaWiki, Epic

Jun 9 2017

Alsee added a comment to T159032: Single Edit Tab global default change.

Halibutt I'd welcome better data, but so far no one has been offering any. The community has abundant collective real-world experience, and I believe most people will find the available data to be sufficiently clear despite the imperfections.

Jun 9 2017, 5:34 PM · VisualEditor-MediaWiki, VisualEditor, Wikimedia-Site-requests