@GoranSMilovanovic @Tobi_WMDE_SW Hi Goran, thanks for the revision, the report looks good now. So we can resolve the ticket :) Take care and all the best for your new job!

@GoranSMilovanovic @Tobi_WMDE_SW Hi Goran, thank you, I'll have a look right away. I understand it must be very stressful with being sick and the new job but just to be clear: there were no new demands formulated in this ticket. The numbers of users who clicked on the banner in the report didn't match so for quality assurance the double check was necessary. To evaluate the success of the campaign we need the editing behavior of all users who clicked on the banner and this also includes users who clicked on the banner but then never edited. In my understanding this is exactly what we did in 2020. Thanks for understanding.

@GoranSMilovanovic @Tobi_WMDE_SW Okay, end of the week is fine. Thanks and congrats for the new job!

@GoranSMilovanovic

What you say makes sense - we started this, we should finish this, but at this point it cannot be a priority in my work.

Okay, then let's finish this. It does not need to be a priority but it needs to be done. I am sure it's understandable that we need the deliverable we have agreed on (and which we also have coordinated internally) months ago. Could you give me a timeline, when we can expect the final report?

@GoranSMilovanovic No, we didn't get this information.

@GoranSMilovanovic Hi Goran, did you finish the report and could you please share it? Thank you.

@GoranSMilovanovic Analyzing the numbers I noticed the following:

@GoranSMilovanovic Thank you, this looks good.

@GoranSMilovanovic Hi Goran, I guess you are quite busy but still I would like to check if you have any news on this? Thank you!

@Trizek-WMF Great, thank you! Other possibilities sound nice :-) Next working group meeting is in the beginning of January, just to give you a heads up.

@GoranSMilovanovic One more question: the edit numbers on November 2nd and 3rd right after the campaign seem really high, can you dobule check if they are correct? Can you see who made the edits? Was it just one or a few users? Can you see what kinds of edits they were (e.g. in which name space? different pages or the same page?)?

@GoranSMilovanovic Thank you! Could you look into the following:

@GoranSMilovanovic Hi Goran, thank you for the report! Since the reporting requirements are the same as in last year's campaign maybe you can have a look at the report in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249617 and then analyze this year's data in the same way? I hope this clarifies a bit, if not please let me know!

@GoranSMilovanovic great, thank you! Do you have the numbers already?

@GoranSMilovanovic Hello Goran, I just had time to look at the report in depth. I have only one small request:

@Trizek-WMF @MMiller_WMF Hello! Do you have updates on the comments and questions above? We have our next working group meeting next week and it would be good to give them some updates before they decide if they want to extend the test for another month... thank you!

@GoranSMilovanovic Great, thank you! I've just had the time for a quick glance so far but could you please add the data points in all graphs in section 1 so we have the numbers for total banner clicks etc.? And do you also have the numbers in a spreadsheet?

@Trizek-WMF Thank you for the update! Do you also have some information on this comment here? Thank you :)

@GoranSMilovanovic Hi Goran, do you have any results yet?

@Trizek-WMF Before I go to vacation I will just also let you know about the improvements the working group decided on for the add a link feature:

@GoranSMilovanovic Great, thanks! If possible please share the spreadsheet, thank you.

@GoranSMilovanovic @kai.nissen Ah perfect, thank you!!

@GoranSMilovanovic great, thanks

@GoranSMilovanovic Would that be a possible solution?

@kai.nissen Hey Kai, maybe you can help here?

@AbbanWMDE Hi Abban, this is all set, right?

@AbbanWMDE Hi Abban, do you have an idea why the page views for the second landing pages are not being tracked? Could this be a cookie issue? Or any other reason why the tracking tag/cookie does not seem to stick when we go from the first landingpage to the second?

@Trizek-WMF For the discussion on how to improve the Add a link-feature: should I open a new ticket here?

@Trizek-WMF Hello, so we have some results from our discussion:

@GoranSMilovanovic Okay, so the page views for the second level landing pages are not being tracked. Can you change something in the tracking set-up in order to track it? Or could it be a cookie issue?

@GoranSMilovanovic Okay, thank you! So the first half seems to be working fine, that's good :-) For the second half:

@Trizek-WMF I will find out today how the lists are generated and then get back to you. I am not sure yet if it would be possible at all to base any automated task suggestion on them. Apart from that there are many other bot generated lists but they also rely on templates. So I am afraid if the typo lists do not work we have to think about introducing new (hidden) maintenance templates in dewp...

@GoranSMilovanovic Hi, I just did two banner clicks and produced one page view for each sub-landing page - can you check if you find it?

@GoranSMilovanovic perfect, thanks. I am ooO today, let's test on Monday!

@kai.nissen Hey Kai, we are thinking about changing the campaign date to 18. - 31.10. because Martin's campaign is running parallel. Would this be okay for your and the autumn fundraising campaign?

@kai.nissen @AbbanWMDE Can we test or do we need to wait till the bug is resolved?

@kai.nissen Hello Kai, is this ready for doing a tracking test? Can you provide a link to a test banner? Thank you!

Great, thank you!

@Trizek-WMF Hello, thanks for the thought! We discussed it and decided to increase the number to 80 percent anyways :-) So you can deploy Monday.

In T288420#7388368, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

In T288420#7388145, @Christine_Domgoergen_WMDE wrote:

The working group still agrees on increasing the percentage to 80 percent from Friday onwards by the way, so if you want you can deploy this change. Or do you see any difficulties with this at the moment?

This is good news, and we can work on it. However, it is also a surprise: I thought that you were waiting for the conference to check with the community and change this rate.

@Trizek-WMF @MMiller_WMF Perfect, thanks :)

@Trizek-WMF @MMiller_WMF
Hi,
we have a big comunity conference starting this Friday and we will present the Newbie Tools with a poster. For this it would be great to have some numbers about the test run. As already mentioned above we would need the following data:

@kai.nissen Hey Kai, this is for setting up the CN campaign. I will add the link to the request at the beginning of next week. Please let me know if you need more information.

@kai.nissen Hey Kai, this is the task for the banner implementation based on last year's code. Please let me know if you need more information!

@kostajh great, thanks for letting me know!

@kostajh great, thanks for the information, that makes total sense. Then let's do option 2. Thanks!

@Urbanecm_WMF Thanks for the information.

@Trizek-WMF @MMiller_WMF, the working group thinks it is better to temporarily deactivate the "add a link"-feature until we have discussed some improvements in order to avoid too much frustration in the community. Could you do this and let me know once this is done? The other types of suggested tasks will still be active right?

Great, thank you!

@Trizek-WMF Okay, great, thanks for the information! Have you gotten some feedback yet about the other question?

@Trizek-WMF Hi Benoit, thank you for the feedback!

@Trizek-WMF Another question came up and maybe you can help! What are the current numbers of how many newcomers discover their newcomer starting page on their own? Is it still 25 - 30 percent as mentioned here https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Growth/Personalized_first_day/Newcomer_homepage#Leading_indicators? Or have you managed to increase the number by working on the ideas here https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T220552?
Thanks and have a nice weekend!

In T288420#7329879, @Etonkovidova wrote:

Checked - only one note: Instead of Quellen und Belege einfügen (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Belege ), the link for Quellen und Belege einfügen points to https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilfe:Einzelnachweise/VisualEditor.

@Urbanecm_WMF great, thank you!

@Trizek-WMF @Urbanecm_WMF They have done it and also announced the test run on the village pump. So you can deploy now :-)

@Trizek-WMF Okay, great. We still need to move the maintenance tag "Überarbeiten" from copyedit to the update category. As soon as this has happened we are good to go. I have asked the working group to do it and will let you know. How much time would the deployment need, so when would new users start to see the tools?

@Urbanecm_WMF Ah yes, now it works! Yes progably merging the preferences would be good - or at least put them at the same place in the settings, so it becomes clear they go together. I had to search quite a bit to find the setting for the help panel

@Urbanecm_WMF I just tried the link recommendations and it runs in Chrome and suggests the articles in the task module but then after clicking on the suggested article and being led to the wikipage the pop up dialogue with the introduction does not open and the pop-up windows for the suggested links with with the dialogue "Should this link to the following article" is also not displayed.

@Trizek-WMF Hello, thanks so much for the information and the good solutions. So the deployment with the tasks as you suggested below is fine for the working group!

@Trizek-WMF Hi Benoit, that sounds like a good solution for now - I will check with the working group if they are fine starting like this. Regarding the number of newcomers getting the features: what would be the minimum in order to get valid data till October? How many questions for mentors do you expect from this number? How many mentors would be needed to handle the questions?

@Trizek-WMF Okay, thanks. Just let us know if the categorization of the difficulty could be changed and what this would mean in terms of timing and effort. If it would take too much time we might go for a pragmatic solution in order not to delay the test further.

Hello, and thank you for the good idea! We just discussed it and think that would be a very good solution. Also we decided that "Aktualisieren: Vorlagen zum Finden von Artikeln, die mit aktuellen Informationen aktualisiert werden müssen. Vorlage:Veraltet" could also be an easy task. Right now it is categorized as medium, can we change the categorization as well in the configurations? We then would have two easy tasks and some medium tasks and one difficult tasks. Reinhard will accordingly edit the configurations tonight.

@Urbanecm_WMF Thank you for the answer!

Hi Martin, thank you for the reply! This is very helpful, we will see if we can add some more maintenance tags in the configurations menu.

Hi @Urbanecm_WMF, community members are testing the tools right now and I am copying some feedback into this task, hoping you can help here:

@GoranSMilovanovic Hi Goran, I was just trying to look at the dashboard because we are once again setting on standardizing our metrics and a looking at possibilities to make them easily available and understandable for the team. I get a Bad Gateway though, is the dashboard still online and working?

@GoranSMilovanovic Thanks for the updated reports and your work! I think we have everything we need and I will close the ticket now :-)

@GoranSMilovanovic Hi Goran, I will be on vacation for the next weeks but @Merle_von_Wittich_WMDE will take over from here and looks forward to the updated report :-)

@kai.nissen Great thank you!

Great, thank you! I have some questions:

@GoranSMilovanovic Perfect, thank you! When will you be able to finish the preliminary report?

@GoranSMilovanovic can you continue the daily reporting anyways? I guess it will take a bit to figure out the confusion and we might need @kai.nissen for that...

@GoranSMilovanovic Okay, thank you!

@GoranSMilovanovic @gabriel-wmde @AbbanWMDE
Hello,
I just checked the tracking spreadsheet and I am confused by the banner names. Kai mentioned above