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Sun, May 19

GerardM added a comment to T222418: 503 errors for several Wikipedia pages.

The problem is happening in Wikidata

Sun, May 19, 8:43 AM · Wikimedia-Incident, Traffic, Operations, Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown, User-DannyS712

Fri, May 3

GerardM added a comment to T210293: Add language codes rm-rumgr, rm-sursilv, rm-surmiran, rm-sutsilv, rm-vallader, rm-puter for Lexemes.

Hoi,
There is a big difference between mono-lingual texts and the use in labels
and descriptions. The latter needs support in translatewiki.net as well.
The criteria for that are much more stringent.
Thanks,

GerardM
Fri, May 3, 1:02 PM · MW-1.34-notes (1.34.0-wmf.3; 2019-04-30), Patch-For-Review, User-Michael, Lexicographical data, Wikidata-Campsite (Wikidata-Campsite-Iteration-∞), Wikidata

Sun, Apr 28

GerardM added a comment to T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician).

Given the abuse, you make no argument that is acceptable. That and you are
wrong.
Thanks,

GerardM
Sun, Apr 28, 12:44 PM · patch-welcome, good first bug, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T222020: Add monolingual language code clc (Tsilhqotʹin).

A code is a must have.

Sun, Apr 28, 7:05 AM · Wikidata

Apr 21 2019

GerardM added a comment to T155367: Add monolingual language code abq (Abaza).

The language may be written in two scripts however, use what is standard and standard use is Cyrillic given what Jon Harald mentioned.
Thanks,

GerardM
Apr 21 2019, 11:13 AM · Wikidata-Campsite (Wikidata-Campsite-Iteration-∞), Patch-For-Review, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T164580: Add monolingual language code syc.

This is a language to be written in its original script. Clearly entitled to be used in Wikidata.
Thanks,

GerardM
Apr 21 2019, 11:10 AM · Wikidata-Campsite (Wikidata-Campsite-Iteration-∞), Patch-For-Review, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata

Apr 8 2019

GerardM added a comment to T210293: Add language codes rm-rumgr, rm-sursilv, rm-surmiran, rm-sutsilv, rm-vallader, rm-puter for Lexemes.

Yes,
I know these are fine.
Thanks,

Apr 8 2019, 5:41 PM · MW-1.34-notes (1.34.0-wmf.3; 2019-04-30), Patch-For-Review, User-Michael, Lexicographical data, Wikidata-Campsite (Wikidata-Campsite-Iteration-∞), Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T210293: Add language codes rm-rumgr, rm-sursilv, rm-surmiran, rm-sutsilv, rm-vallader, rm-puter for Lexemes.

Yes,
I know and consequently they are fine.
Thanks,

GerardM
Apr 8 2019, 5:26 PM · MW-1.34-notes (1.34.0-wmf.3; 2019-04-30), Patch-For-Review, User-Michael, Lexicographical data, Wikidata-Campsite (Wikidata-Campsite-Iteration-∞), Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T210293: Add language codes rm-rumgr, rm-sursilv, rm-surmiran, rm-sutsilv, rm-vallader, rm-puter for Lexemes.

Hoi,
When we go the way of allowing for languages that are not accepted in any
standard, we could use -x- However, it removes any possibility to question
the validity and the inclusion of anything used by such a code. So I
strongly urge us to refrain from non standard entries.
Thanks,

GerardM
Apr 8 2019, 4:16 PM · MW-1.34-notes (1.34.0-wmf.3; 2019-04-30), Patch-For-Review, User-Michael, Lexicographical data, Wikidata-Campsite (Wikidata-Campsite-Iteration-∞), Wikidata

Mar 29 2019

GerardM added a comment to T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician).

One of the comitments of the Wikimedia Foundation is that we will comply with standards. Vladimir fails to understand that the fact that "Chinese" has been transcribed in hieroglyphs has no bearing on standards. First, Chinese is probably to be understood as Mandarin, the script is probably to be understood as Simplified. A circus trick does not make an argument.

Mar 29 2019, 8:17 AM · patch-welcome, good first bug, Wikidata

Mar 28 2019

GerardM added a comment to T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician).

Hoi Alexiev,
What you just did is a personal attack. It does not make an argument go
away. It does not help your point of view.

Mar 28 2019, 6:07 AM · patch-welcome, good first bug, Wikidata

Mar 20 2019

GerardM added a comment to T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician).

Hoi,
You say it in your reply. The English word is Cadiz and the Spanish word is
Cádiz. There is no Phoenician in Latin script.
Thanks,

GerardM
Mar 20 2019, 8:59 AM · patch-welcome, good first bug, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician).

Hoi,
It would still be a word used in the rest of the text. Transliteration
differs depending on the language not on the script conversion.
Thanks,

GerardM
Mar 20 2019, 6:30 AM · patch-welcome, good first bug, Wikidata

Feb 24 2019

GerardM added a comment to T216798: Add monolingual language code tlb.

No problem having a monolingual code for tlb Tobelo https://www.ethnologue.com/15/show_language/tlb/

Feb 24 2019, 9:44 AM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.20; 2019-03-05), Patch-For-Review, good first bug, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata

Jan 12 2019

GerardM added a comment to T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician).

No, it is is phn-Latn when it is used for use by Phoenicians.
Transliteration is different even within a script there are differences
depending for what language it is transliterated.
Thanks,

GerardM
Jan 12 2019, 7:04 PM · patch-welcome, good first bug, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T208641: Improve categorisation for languages that do not have ISO 639-3 code.

What have iso codes with Commons categorisation to do? ie a non-issue as far as I am concerned

Jan 12 2019, 9:59 AM · Lingua Libre

Jan 8 2019

GerardM added a comment to T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician).

Hoi,
When you transliterate a name of a language typically it is transliterated
for a specific language. It is not that language.even when you know that
the original is transliterated for a specific language.
Thanks

GerardM
Jan 8 2019, 11:21 AM · patch-welcome, good first bug, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T210311: Add monolingual language code ccp for Chakma.

Hoi, according to the Wikipedia article there is one script; the Chakma script (Cakm). Eastern Nagari and Ajhapath are two orthographies using the same script? How are they related to the two peoples indicated to speak the language and in what orthography is the curriculum mentioned. IMHO that could be be the default and does not necessarily need an indication of the orthography.

Jan 8 2019, 9:24 AM · good first bug, Wikidata

Jan 7 2019

GerardM added a comment to T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician).

Hoi,
The code phn is reserved for the Phoenician language. However, it is not
written in the Latin script. Consequently the question why it should be
accepted in the Latin script is real. What is the point?
Thanks,

GerardM
Jan 7 2019, 11:45 AM · patch-welcome, good first bug, Wikidata

Dec 5 2018

GerardM added a comment to T154589: evaluate creation of en-us for Wikidata monolingual strings.

en-US is perfectly legitimate. The stuff about Alsatian is not.

Dec 5 2018, 3:38 PM · Wikidata

Nov 30 2018

GerardM added a comment to T210293: Add language codes rm-rumgr, rm-sursilv, rm-surmiran, rm-sutsilv, rm-vallader, rm-puter for Lexemes.

Given that the codes should adhere to standards, what is the basis for these codes?

Nov 30 2018, 8:14 PM · MW-1.34-notes (1.34.0-wmf.3; 2019-04-30), Patch-For-Review, User-Michael, Lexicographical data, Wikidata-Campsite (Wikidata-Campsite-Iteration-∞), Wikidata

Jul 24 2018

GerardM added a comment to T198674: Add monolingual language code el-cy.

Hoi,
When I want to be pedantic (but factually correct) the code should be
el-CY. The standard for ISO-3166 has the codes in upper case. When there is
a need to distinguish Greek from Cyprus, yes, el-CY would be fine.
Thanks,

GerardM
Jul 24 2018, 1:33 PM · MW-1.34-notes (1.34.0-wmf.3; 2019-04-30), Wikidata-Campsite (Wikidata-Campsite-Iteration-∞), Patch-For-Review, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata

Jun 13 2018

GerardM added a comment to T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking).

Hoi,
In the past we have been where we are now with Wikidata and new language
codes with new Wikipedias. The result was mayhem, and everything was just
as the "community" decided. The result is the many Wikipedias that have
no community. As a result the Language Committee took the place of "the
community"and from that moment new Wikipedias do conform to standards.

Jun 13 2018, 7:29 PM · MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Tracking-Neverending, Wikidata

Jun 8 2018

GerardM added a comment to T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician).

Hoi,
I understand the purpose of Phoenician in Phoenician. Having it in the
Latin script makes no sense to me at all
GerardM

Jun 8 2018, 5:00 PM · patch-welcome, good first bug, Wikidata

May 24 2018

GerardM added a comment to T193983: Enable zh-my language localization at the Chinese Wikipedia.

Hoi,
Do I understand that in addition to traditional and simplified we now are
to have content different by country ?
Thanks,

GerardM
May 24 2018, 7:56 AM · User-Urbanecm, Patch-For-Review, Wikimedia-Site-requests, MediaWiki-Language-converter, Chinese-Sites

May 23 2018

GerardM added a comment to T193983: Enable zh-my language localization at the Chinese Wikipedia.

I do not understand the issue. Why do they want this ? What service does this provide?

May 23 2018, 11:30 AM · User-Urbanecm, Patch-For-Review, Wikimedia-Site-requests, MediaWiki-Language-converter, Chinese-Sites

Apr 19 2018

GerardM added a comment to T185194: Add monolingual language codes qya, sjn.

Hoi,
Artificial languages are not what we support by default. I am not in favour
for these particular cult languages. I will ask the language committee if
they see it any different.The fact that Tolkien wrote some poems is in
itself not enough.
Thanks,

GerardM
Apr 19 2018, 5:13 AM · MW-1.34-notes (1.34.0-wmf.3; 2019-04-30), Wikidata-Campsite (Wikidata-Campsite-Iteration-∞), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, good first bug, Patch-For-Review, Wikidata

Apr 18 2018

GerardM added a comment to T185194: Add monolingual language codes qya, sjn.

Hoi,
Is there a purpose for these languages. My feeling is that as these languages are incomplete as languages there is little that they will add.
Thanks,

GerardM
Apr 18 2018, 5:59 PM · MW-1.34-notes (1.34.0-wmf.3; 2019-04-30), Wikidata-Campsite (Wikidata-Campsite-Iteration-∞), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, good first bug, Patch-For-Review, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T184783: Add monolingual language code shy.

There is imho no problem, an individual language..
https://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/zenati
Thanks,

GerardM
Apr 18 2018, 5:26 PM · MW-1.32-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-05-08 (1.32.0-wmf.3)), Wikidata-Ministry-Of-Magic, Patch-For-Review, Community-consensus-needed, good first bug, patch-welcome, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata

Apr 17 2018

GerardM added a comment to T155425: Add monolingual language code phn (Phoenician).

Hoi,
There is no problem with this language. It is not a macro language. Go with it.. PS it does use the Phoenician script.. Maybe that needs inclusion in the language tools but that is no prerequisite.
Thanks,

GerardM
Apr 17 2018, 4:23 AM · patch-welcome, good first bug, Wikidata

Apr 13 2018

GerardM added a comment to T165648: Add monolingual language codes nrf-gg (for Guernésiais), nrf-je (for Jèrriais).

Hoi,
The language committee is responsible for the use of the codes used. As it is, multiple members have indicated that it is wrong to add these codes. Please desist.
Thanks,

GerardM
Apr 13 2018, 2:07 PM · Patch-For-Review, Wikidata

Feb 18 2018

GerardM added a comment to T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata.

Hoi,
I understand how this could work for the dictionary part of Wikidata. I
understand how it could work for labels and aliases. Why do you think this
will work for descriptions?
Thanks,

GerardM
Feb 18 2018, 12:33 PM · Community-consensus-needed, I18n, Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-LanguageSelector
GerardM added a comment to T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata.

Hoi,
In principle the language committee has given permission for monolingual
texts. This is NOT given for labels, descriptions and aliases. That
requires involvement of native speakers. It requires an agreement of the
language committee.

Feb 18 2018, 11:46 AM · Community-consensus-needed, I18n, Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-LanguageSelector

Feb 16 2018

GerardM added a comment to T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata.

Hoi,
That is an invalid reason to add a language to Wikidata.. Wikidata is not a
stamp collection.
Thanks,

GerardM
Feb 16 2018, 7:08 PM · Community-consensus-needed, I18n, Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-LanguageSelector
GerardM added a comment to T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata.

Hoi,
I do object to calling them dialects. They have a language code and as far
as standards are concerned they are languages.
Thanks,

GerardM
Feb 16 2018, 6:39 PM · Community-consensus-needed, I18n, Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-LanguageSelector

Jan 24 2018

GerardM added a comment to T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong.

Hoi,
The defenitions are in the standard. The standard is the ISO639-3.
Thanks,

GerardM
Jan 24 2018, 12:25 PM · Wikidata-Sprint-2016-09-21, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata

Dec 1 2017

GerardM added a comment to T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking).

Please motivate.
Thanks,

GerardM
Dec 1 2017, 6:05 PM · MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Tracking-Neverending, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking).

Hoi,
What I find is totally unreadable.
Thanks,

GerardM
Dec 1 2017, 5:28 PM · MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Tracking-Neverending, Wikidata

Nov 18 2017

GerardM added a comment to T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong.

Because it is not one but multiple languages.

Nov 18 2017, 6:13 AM · Wikidata-Sprint-2016-09-21, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata

Nov 17 2017

GerardM added a comment to T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong.

it is still a macro language and therefore not usable to identify a text

Nov 17 2017, 9:11 PM · Wikidata-Sprint-2016-09-21, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking).

I think that we should stop with these stamp collections there is no argument why we want to do this, we have seen that the meaning given often differs substantially from what the standard is. It makes more sense to study the effect of the introduction of Wiktionary content.

Nov 17 2017, 7:01 AM · MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Tracking-Neverending, Wikidata

Nov 14 2017

GerardM added a comment to T154589: evaluate creation of en-us for Wikidata monolingual strings.

Hoi,
The Alsatian issues precedes the language policy and as such it is a "fait
accompli". We have to live with it. A similar situation will no longer come
into being because it will not be approved.
Thanks,

GerardM
Nov 14 2017, 1:24 PM · Wikidata

Nov 12 2017

GerardM added a comment to T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong.

No mn-Mong is a combination of the language and the script. mn is a ISO-639-1 code

Nov 12 2017, 7:12 AM · Wikidata-Sprint-2016-09-21, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata

Aug 27 2017

GerardM added a comment to T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking).

Hoi,
The consideration has been only is it a valid code. The question asked is a
different one. What is the point to all these codes that probably do not
bring anything to Wikidata.
Thanks,

GerardM
Aug 27 2017, 7:33 AM · MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Tracking-Neverending, Wikidata

Aug 26 2017

GerardM added a comment to T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking).

Hoi,
I asked in the past why codes were added. In principle, we could include
them all but there is no clarity why codes are proposed. As a consequence I
lost interest.

Aug 26 2017, 9:25 AM · MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Tracking-Neverending, Wikidata

Aug 8 2017

GerardM created T172786: Labels in Wikidata are missing when editing.
Aug 8 2017, 1:35 PM · Wikidata

Jun 21 2017

GerardM added a comment to T161983: Add Rangi language (lag) to Wikidata.

Did you try to add it using the language code?
Thanks,

GerardM
Jun 21 2017, 8:52 PM · User-Ladsgroup, Patch-For-Review, Wikidata-Former-Sprint-Board, Wikidata

Jun 15 2017

GerardM added a comment to T165648: Add monolingual language codes nrf-gg (for Guernésiais), nrf-je (for Jèrriais).

Hoi,
I know very well what this is about. As a member of the language committee
I made the arrangements for other languages then the codes accepted for
localisation to be accepted for monolingual texts. You can ask Lydia if you
do not believe this.

Jun 15 2017, 12:26 AM · Patch-For-Review, Wikidata

Jun 14 2017

GerardM added a comment to T165648: Add monolingual language codes nrf-gg (for Guernésiais), nrf-je (for Jèrriais).

Hoi,
the specific problem is that there is clear and uncontroversial consensus
to transition nrm to nrf, and the actual execution is only blocked by
technical issues. Issues that are only pushed forward because it is not
deemed to be relevant enough.

Jun 14 2017, 7:55 PM · Patch-For-Review, Wikidata

Jun 13 2017

GerardM added a comment to T165648: Add monolingual language codes nrf-gg (for Guernésiais), nrf-je (for Jèrriais).

Hoi,
Yes. There is a system in codes. When you have a subset that is not
associated with the superset, you destroy the credibility of the language
codes.

Jun 13 2017, 11:59 AM · Patch-For-Review, Wikidata

Jun 11 2017

GerardM added a comment to T165648: Add monolingual language codes nrf-gg (for Guernésiais), nrf-je (for Jèrriais).

Hoi,
Because they are a subset of nrf.
Thanks,

GerardM
Jun 11 2017, 9:20 PM · Patch-For-Review, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T165648: Add monolingual language codes nrf-gg (for Guernésiais), nrf-je (for Jèrriais).

Hoi,
The issue is that the proposed code is a subset. The main item is
problematic and therefore this code is problematic.
Thanks,

GerardM
Jun 11 2017, 5:47 PM · Patch-For-Review, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T155424: Add monolingual language code abq-Latn (Abaza in Latin script).

Hoi,
Saying no when it is appropriate is constructive.
Thanks,

GerardM
Jun 11 2017, 4:31 PM · Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T165648: Add monolingual language codes nrf-gg (for Guernésiais), nrf-je (for Jèrriais).

Hoi,
The code NRM is used incorrectly .. as you know.
Thanks,

GerardM
Jun 11 2017, 4:30 PM · Patch-For-Review, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T155368: Add monolingual language code hbo (Biblical Hebrew).

Hoi,
I think that hbo is quite ambiguous.
Thanks,

GerardM
Jun 11 2017, 4:05 PM · Wikidata-Campsite (Wikidata-Campsite-Iteration-∞), MW-1.34-notes (1.34.0-wmf.3; 2019-04-30), Patch-For-Review, patch-welcome, good first bug, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T155424: Add monolingual language code abq-Latn (Abaza in Latin script).

Hoi,
I am active in both Wikidata and in the Language committee.. There are more
people in there who have a valid opinion.

Jun 11 2017, 4:04 PM · Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T165648: Add monolingual language codes nrf-gg (for Guernésiais), nrf-je (for Jèrriais).

Hoi,
As mentioned elsewhere and not only by me, it is not.
Thanks,

GerardM
Jun 11 2017, 4:02 PM · Patch-For-Review, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T165648: Add monolingual language codes nrf-gg (for Guernésiais), nrf-je (for Jèrriais).

Hoi,
No you get it backward. At this time for this language we (WMF) identify
incorrectly. We should not make the mess even bigger.
Thanks,

GerardM
Jun 11 2017, 4:00 PM · Patch-For-Review, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T165648: Add monolingual language codes nrf-gg (for Guernésiais), nrf-je (for Jèrriais).

Hoi,
Given that there is a Wikipedia with the wrong code, it is not possible
imho to do justice to the language. WMF has never had a reason to sort it
out, now it has. Adding codes is not appropriate under these circumstances.
Thanks,

GerardM
Jun 11 2017, 1:52 PM · Patch-For-Review, Wikidata

Jun 8 2017

GerardM added a comment to T165648: Add monolingual language codes nrf-gg (for Guernésiais), nrf-je (for Jèrriais).

Hoi,
In this case I think the language committee wants to be involved. This is
one of the longstanding issues we face and we do not want to muddle the
waters even more. So in this case it is not ok to move forward imho.
Thanks,

GerardM
Jun 8 2017, 4:10 PM · Patch-For-Review, Wikidata

May 5 2017

GerardM added a comment to T155430: Add monolingual language code nr (Southern Ndebele).

Ok

May 5 2017, 5:24 PM · Patch-For-Review, Wikidata-Former-Sprint-Board, Wikidata

Mar 27 2017

GerardM added a comment to T151186: Add monolingual language code fr-CA.

Hoi,
When you want a technical point, the code is a combination of two parts, to
standards. It is fr, the ISO 639 -1 code for Francais, the French language
and CA, the ISO 3166-2 code for Canada. Both should be spelled correctly so
the code should be fr-CA
Thanks,

GerardM
Mar 27 2017, 9:29 AM · Wikidata-Former-Sprint-Board, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata

Feb 16 2017

GerardM added a comment to T97882: [Story] Support multiple scripts for one language.

Hoi,
What is meant by the cn and hk? It probably has nothing to do with a script
.. a script has four characters. Consequently this is not about script in
the definition.
Thanks,

Gerard
Feb 16 2017, 10:12 PM · Story, ValueView, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata

Jan 4 2017

GerardM added a comment to T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking).

Hoi,
First there has to be agreement on the use of codes like this in the
language committee.
Thanks,

GerardM
Jan 4 2017, 4:20 PM · MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Tracking-Neverending, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T151186: Add monolingual language code fr-CA.

Hoi,
For en-US we take it that it is standard English.. We do have en-GB among
others already.
Thanks,

GerardM
Jan 4 2017, 2:18 PM · Wikidata-Former-Sprint-Board, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata

Dec 18 2016

GerardM added a comment to T74077: Simple Wikisource app, search and epub output.

It does not make sense to restrict this to mobile.
Thanks,

GerardM
Dec 18 2016, 12:31 PM · Mobile-Apps, Wikisource

Nov 21 2016

GerardM added a comment to T151129: Add monolingual language code moe.

The name is capitalised according to Ethnologue but yes, it is a recognised language.
Thanks,

GerardM
Nov 21 2016, 11:52 AM · Wikidata-Former-Sprint-Board, Patch-For-Review, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T151186: Add monolingual language code fr-CA.

This is NOT necessarily where the language committee gives its ok. It is not a different language.
Thanks,

GerardM
Nov 21 2016, 6:15 AM · Wikidata-Former-Sprint-Board, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata

Nov 14 2016

GerardM added a comment to T150579: Wikidatification of Wiki links and red links.

NB This is much more an issue for the developers of Wikipedia than a Wikidata issue. Particularly the inclusion of links to wikilinks does not require attention of the Wikidata team as this data is already present.
Thanks,

GerardM
Nov 14 2016, 10:55 AM · Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T150579: Wikidatification of Wiki links and red links.

When links are allowed to Wikidata, it does not follow that everyone HAS to see them. It is something that can be added later. Once red links can be linked to wikidata items, it helps us in gaining better quality for those who want to see it and for those who engage in this practice.

Nov 14 2016, 9:10 AM · Wikidata

Nov 12 2016

GerardM created T150579: Wikidatification of Wiki links and red links.
Nov 12 2016, 3:36 PM · Wikidata

Oct 23 2016

GerardM added a comment to T98314: [Bug] add Talossan (tzl) to Wikidata.

Hoi,
It does have a valid ISO-639-3 code. No problem here. I do not know how it
may become meaningful. It is an open question for several languages.
Thanks,

GerardM
Oct 23 2016, 7:45 PM · Patch-For-Review, Wikidata-Sprint-2016-10-12, Wikidata

Oct 22 2016

GerardM added a comment to T144272: new monolingual language code requests for Wikidata (tracking).

Hoi,
This is not a language with an ISO-639-3 code and therefore it should not
be created. This is to do with the nn-hognorsk subtask/
Thanks,

GerardM
Oct 22 2016, 12:46 PM · MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Tracking-Neverending, Wikidata

Oct 11 2016

GerardM added a comment to T127858: [Task] Add Noongar (nys) as a language which can be used for labels etc..

Hoi,
The Wikipedia article says different. Indeed Ethnologue is leading.. By the
way these others in the article are not dialects. They may be added as well
when there is a need.
Thanks,

GerardM
Oct 11 2016, 1:39 PM · Patch-For-Review, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T127858: [Task] Add Noongar (nys) as a language which can be used for labels etc..

Hoi,
Exactly and according to the ISO-638-3 Noongar is a macro dialects and what
you call dialects are languages.
Thanks,

GerardM
Oct 11 2016, 10:43 AM · Patch-For-Review, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T127858: [Task] Add Noongar (nys) as a language which can be used for labels etc..

Hoi,
ISO 639-3 is about languages not dialects. They all have their own
ISO-639-3 code.
Thanks,

GerardM
Oct 11 2016, 7:20 AM · Patch-For-Review, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata

Oct 9 2016

GerardM added a comment to T127858: [Task] Add Noongar (nys) as a language which can be used for labels etc..

Hoi,
The Wikipedia article has it as a macro language and that makes it
problematic.
Thanks,

GerardM
Oct 9 2016, 6:56 PM · Patch-For-Review, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata

Oct 5 2016

GerardM added a comment to T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong.

Hoi,
You are wrong. We do not accept macro languages for new purposes. Only when
a code is already in use, we let it ride. Reluctantly. The point of this is
that we do not and do not want to end existing projects.
Thanks,

GerardM
Oct 5 2016, 6:15 AM · Wikidata-Sprint-2016-09-21, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata

Sep 29 2016

GerardM added a comment to T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong.

Hoi,
We do not accept anything new that does not comply with the policy. There
is plenty of old stuff that does not change as per the policy.
Thanks,

GerardM
Sep 29 2016, 8:17 PM · Wikidata-Sprint-2016-09-21, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong.

Hoi,
Yes, and zh is a language not a macro language. It is about new
recognitions and mn is a macro language. When the language policy were in
effect from the beginning, it would have been eng.wikipedia.org.
Thanks,

GerardM
Sep 29 2016, 10:50 AM · Wikidata-Sprint-2016-09-21, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong.

Please provide the source that backs you up. It has to be the ISO-639-3 as
it is what our policies is based on.
Thanks,

GerardM
Sep 29 2016, 10:43 AM · Wikidata-Sprint-2016-09-21, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata

Sep 28 2016

GerardM added a comment to T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong.

Hoi,
You are wasting your time searching for a result that is wrong on basic
principles. When a language is not a language why would you want it to be a
language ? Why seek in documents something that is self evident. Something
that is NOT a language should never be accepted as a language.

Sep 28 2016, 4:46 PM · Wikidata-Sprint-2016-09-21, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong.

Hoi,
It is so obvious that is not even in the policy.
Thanks,

GerardM
Sep 28 2016, 4:10 PM · Wikidata-Sprint-2016-09-21, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong.

Hoi,
I am a member of the Language Committee of the Wikimedia Foundation. It is
stated policy that we do not accept macro languages. Lydia does read the
comments and she knows of its existence, its policies and for me it is not
personal. Is it for you?
Thanks,

GerardM
Sep 28 2016, 11:01 AM · Wikidata-Sprint-2016-09-21, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata

Sep 27 2016

GerardM added a comment to T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong.

Hoi,
That makes no difference. A language needs to fulfill some minimum
requirements and mn is not the code for a language.
Thanks,

GerardM
Sep 27 2016, 7:56 PM · Wikidata-Sprint-2016-09-21, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong.

Hoi,
Sorry but your only option is wrong on principles. The code mn is for a
language code that will never get recognition from the language committee.
The way to distinguish between scripts is by using the ISO-15934 code and
consequently it should be mn-Mong if your way would be followed.

Sep 27 2016, 10:49 AM · Wikidata-Sprint-2016-09-21, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T146707: Add Lule Sami and Pite Sami as supported languages in Wikidata.

I am fine with it :) Thanks, GerardM

Sep 27 2016, 9:39 AM · Wikidata-Sprint-2016-10-12, Wikidata, Wikimedia-Site-requests

Sep 22 2016

GerardM added a comment to T137808: [Task] Add monolingual language code mnc.

Hoi,
Having a font has never been a prequisite for support in MediaWiki. It has
been a reason to support the development of a Freely licensed font or to
support talks on the licensing of an existing font.
Thanks,

GerardM
Sep 22 2016, 10:36 AM · Wikidata-Sprint-2016-09-21, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong.

Hoi,
The practise of dropping upper case in the ISO-15934 is a MediaWiki
practice that is incorrect. In the grand scheme of things it is only a
minor matter.

Sep 22 2016, 10:34 AM · Wikidata-Sprint-2016-09-21, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong.

Hoi,
mn is the code ISO-639 for the language, Mong is the CLDR code for the
script and CN is a code for the country where it is practices. The correct
LANGUAGE code is either khk or mvf because as a macro language that does
not have an existing project it is not eligible.
Thanks,

GerardM
Sep 22 2016, 10:16 AM · Wikidata-Sprint-2016-09-21, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata

Sep 5 2016

GerardM added a comment to T127435: Allow items in Cape Verdean Creole (kea) in Wikidata.

Wikidata may support over 7000 languages; all the languages that are recognised are allowed.
Thanks,

GerardM
Sep 5 2016, 1:40 PM · MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata-Sprint-2016-07-05, Wikidata

Aug 18 2016

GerardM added a comment to T98314: [Bug] add Talossan (tzl) to Wikidata.

Hoi,
Thanks,

GerardM
Aug 18 2016, 3:06 PM · Patch-For-Review, Wikidata-Sprint-2016-10-12, Wikidata

Jul 4 2016

GerardM added a comment to T127435: Allow items in Cape Verdean Creole (kea) in Wikidata.

This is a living language. No problem
Thanks,

GerardM
Jul 4 2016, 10:14 PM · MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata-Sprint-2016-07-05, Wikidata

Jun 18 2016

GerardM added a comment to T137115: Add monolingual language code "non".

non is a ISO 639-3 code therefore permissible by the language policy

Jun 18 2016, 7:29 AM · MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, good first bug, Wikidata-Sprint-2016-07-05, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T138131: Support language "Haida (hai)" for monolingual text datatype.

The language can be added because the hai code is an ISO-639-3 code. Only languages with an ISO-639-3 code may be enabled according to the language committee. Thanks, GerardM

Jun 18 2016, 7:25 AM · good first bug, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Patch-For-Review, Wikidata-Sprint-2016-07-19, Wikidata

Jan 21 2016

GerardM created T124280: 504 error for Autolist 2 on https://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/.
Jan 21 2016, 11:23 AM · Tools

Oct 9 2015

GerardM added a comment to T97882: [Story] Support multiple scripts for one language.

Adding NEW languages or NEW scripts to an existing language is something
that has always been done after consideration by the language committee.
For languages that are known to exist in ISO-639-3 there is approval to add
them after a request.
Thanks,

GerardM
Oct 9 2015, 4:26 AM · Story, ValueView, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata

Oct 8 2015

GerardM added a comment to T97882: [Story] Support multiple scripts for one language.

Hoi,
It is what we do in Wikipedia. It is the standard.

Oct 8 2015, 1:24 PM · Story, ValueView, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T97882: [Story] Support multiple scripts for one language.

Hoi,
When you compare a choice made and having to detect a script I am shocked
that it is only 10 times more difficult. We do not need to store in both
Latin script and Cyrillic. We should use the MediaWiki convention and store
in Cyrillic. That is an architectural difference with any other language.
WE SHOULD NEVER STORE BOTH.

Oct 8 2015, 10:39 AM · Story, ValueView, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata
GerardM added a comment to T97882: [Story] Support multiple scripts for one language.

Hoi,
Detecting a script is easy... It is within a certain block of characters
and that makes it a particular script. Not hard at all. This is script
detection not language detection.
Thanks,

Gerard
Oct 8 2015, 9:58 AM · Story, ValueView, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata