Hallo ihr beiden,

In T291919#7478037, @kai.nissen wrote:

Might only the first tag clicked on be associated to all the following registrationswithin one session?
I logged out after registering Test CE 3 neu of course, but maybe ti's still saved in the cookies? @kai.nissen , could you advise once again?

That's the case. If there already is a value in the cookie, it doesn't get overwritten. Also it seems that it is not cleared when finishing the registration.

In T291919#7477949, @Hanna_Klein_WMDE wrote:

@GoranSMilovanovic
great, thank you.

Are you sure, however, that the campaign tag is correct with the user registration of test CE4 neu?:

2021 11 3 8 WMDE_2021_wikipost_1_4 3826723 Test CE 4 neu de.wikipedia.org dewiki

because it should have been: WMDE_2021_wikipost_2_2

Is it possible that we have a cookie issue once again, here?
Might only the first tag clicked on be associated to all the following registrationswithin one session?
I logged out after registering Test CE 3 neu of course, but maybe ti's still saved in the cookies? @kai.nissen , could you advise once again?

@Aline_Bruenger_WMDE

In T291919#7580303, @GoranSMilovanovic wrote:

@Hanna_Klein_WMDE

I am wondering if there are any news concerning the edits done by the newly registered users. Have you found anything, yet?

Until now, only two user edits are made in this campaign (excluding the test users, of course): both on 2021-11-22.

Will the edits be tracked automatically and be listed in the directory, too?

The user edits are automatically tracked for this campaign but not listed in the public directory since the data encompass user names and user IDs.

Thanks for letting me know and kind regards

You are welcome!

@Hanna_Klein_WMDE @Tobi_WMDE_SW
Since I will not be around to the help the WMDE New Editors team as of January 2022, a few remarks about this campaign:

• the user edits data are stored at one of our Analytics Client;
• whoever in WMDE can access the machine (note: an NDA with the WMF is necessary for that I think) can just cat the file or copy it since the data are, obviously, rather limited;
• the analysis can proceed in Excel, Liber Calc, Google Spredsheets or elsewhere;
• you can get in touch with me in order to learn where the data can be found.

@Ragesoss, ok, I see! Thank you very much!

Hi @Ragesoss ! thank you very much. However, I am afraid that these are the data of the "Wikipedia Basiswissen"-training. In the campaign on hand we linked to another training, called "lerne Wikipedia": https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Deutschland/LerneWikipedia
Can you see the data of this one, too?

Hi @Ragesoss : great! Please send the data to hanna.klein@wikimedia.de
Thank you so much!

could you deliver a list of users who took completed the training course following any of these links from 10th Nov untill 31st of January?:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Deutschland/LerneWikipedia?campaign=WMDE_2021_wikipost_1_1
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Deutschland/LerneWikipedia?campaign=WMDE_2021_wikipost_2_2
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Deutschland/LerneWikipedia?campaign=WMDE_2021_wikipost_3_3
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Deutschland/LerneWikipedia?campaign=WMDE_2021_wikipost_4a_1
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Deutschland/LerneWikipedia?campaign=WMDE_2021_wikipost_4b_1
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Deutschland/LerneWikipedia?campaign=WMDE_2021_wikipost_5a
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Deutschland/LerneWikipedia?campaign=WMDE_2021_wikipost_5b

Thank you very much @GoranSMilovanovic !

I hope you have been well and have had a good start to 2022.
Could you please send me the numbers of edits made by the new volunteers from this campaign and if possible also of those who finished the lernewikipedia training course (see message above).

Hi @GoranSMilovanovic , @Tobi_WMDE_SW
I need, as described in the doc:

• on wiki registrations through the campaign per tag in total (through 31st of January) (runs automatically)
• Edits of new users in total, classified in groups of 1 Edit; 2-10 Edits; more than 10 Edits up to six weeks after the end of the campaign (through 31st of January)
• data of users starting and finishing one of the training modules lernewikipedia.de (how many users started a module? what is the completion rate?) (up until 31st of January 2022)
• edit behavior of users who did the training modules (do users edit more after doing a training module) (up until 31st of January 2022)

@Tobi_WMDE_SW , Hi Tobi, kannst du mir hier bitte weiterhelfen? Ich brauche eine Person, die Zugriff auf den o. g. Server hat und die Zahlen übermitteln kann.
Vielen Dank und Grüße

@GoranSMilovanovic , thank you very much for the update.
As registrations and edit behaviour are tracked automotically, I think it is sufficient, if I receive the final numbers of edits by 31st of January as described in the Tracking Briefing,

@GoranSMilovanovic, no problem! Thank you.

hi @GoranSMilovanovic , have you had a look at this?
Thanks again!

Hi @GoranSMilovanovic , I hope you are doing fine.
I am wondering if there are any news concerning the edits done by the newly registered users. Have you found anything, yet? Will the edits be tracked automatically and be listed in the directory, too?
Thanks for letting me know and kind regards

@kai.nissen @GoranSMilovanovic : perfect! Thank you :)

I don't understand:

In T291919#7506872, @kai.nissen wrote:

Does another tag have one too many registration?

Thanks a lot @kai.nissen
Du you also have an idea why my recent test regsiteration of Test CE 5 neu was not tracked. Might it be, as suggested, that the cookie was still in place from last week?

and @kai.nissen >: here are my suggestions:

! In T291919#7505923, @Hanna_Klein_WMDE wrote:

@kai.nissen: might it be possible that the tracking of clicks does accumulate all the clicks ever done?

Good news: one registration was finally found.
Still, I don't understand why the test account Test CE 5 neu was not tracked. Is it possible that the cookie was even still in place here? Although, I didn't click any other link on Wikipedia before in yesterday's session.

In T291919#7503682, @Hanna_Klein_WMDE wrote:

@GoranSMilovanovic: will do so. Thank you very much once again!

In T291919#7506346, @GoranSMilovanovic wrote:

Note. I am also assuming that any of the pageviews of https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spezial:Anmelden have the ?campaign parameter attached to the very end of the URI query, for example: https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spezial:Anmelden&campaign=WMDE_2021_wikipost_1_2). Otherwise, important parts of the analytics code will need to change - only to run this campaign. That code is highly standardised, follows some conventions that were used in the past in all WMDE banner campaigns, and it would take some time to implement the changes specific for this campaign only because of a page that was introduced only today.

@GoranSMilovanovic , I am very sorry that this request took too much effort and time.
Your assumptions are correct: I added a campaign tag to the page, as noted in the tracking doc
Hence, this is the link put in the campaign: https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spezial:Anmelden?campaign=WMDE_2021_wikipost_2_1

@GoranSMilovanovic allright, thank you very much!

@GoranSMilovanovic : I am sorry, I did a copy-paste mistake here: I would like the URL path to change from https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProjekt_Fu%C3%9Fball to https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spezial:Anmelden and the campaign tag to stay the same. Is that possible?

Hii @GoranSMilovanovic, if it's still possible, I would ask you to axchange one link:
Instead of this one: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProjekt_Fu%C3%9Fball?campaign=WMDE_2021_wikipost_2_1
we would like to track this link: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProjekt_Fu%C3%9Fball?campaign=WMDE_2021_wikipost_2_1

Hi @GoranSMilovanovic , @kai.nissen: might it be possible that the tracking of clicks does accumulate all the clicks ever done?

Hi @GoranSMilovanovic , thank you very much. That's strange, maybe it will take a few more hours to appear.

Ok, thank you @GoranSMilovanovic. It appears a bit unlikely to me, that none of those people who have clicked, have registered.
Therefore, i've just regiestered another test-account: Test CE 5 neu following https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Deutschland/LerneWikipedia?campaign=WMDE_2021_wikipost_4a_1
Please let me know if this or other registrations appear.
Thanks again!

Hi @GoranSMilovanovic: any news so far?

Hi @GoranSMilovanovic , we have started the campaign. Clicks and registrations should be possible in a few hours.
Fingers crossed that everything will work out :)

Hi @GoranSMilovanovic due to technical issues the start of the campaign will be postponed to tomorrow (for sure). I hope this doesn't cause any inconvenience for you.
Thanks again and kind regards.

ok, @kai.nissen : thank you very much for clarifying – I was not really sure about that. Hence, @GoranSMilovanovic, no more changes will be introduced to the tracking.

@GoranSMilovanovic. unfortunately not, as there has been not repsonse. @Tobi_WMDE_SW and @Addshore, could you advise, please? Otherwise, we'll have to neglect the tracking registrations via Wikimedia Commons.

@GoranSMilovanovic, thank you very much.
We will start the campaign tomorrow.

In T291919#7465209, @Hanna_Klein_WMDE wrote:

In T291919#7464593, @GoranSMilovanovic wrote:

@Hanna_Klein_WMDE @Verena @Tobi_WMDE_SW

Including @Verena and @Tobi_WMDE_SW @Addshore here because I know that they are aware of the following technical twist: the Adam hack.

@Hanna_Klein_WMDE To put it in a nutshell, the Adam's hack is a mythological creature, a digital entity, a piece of code that enables the campaign tracking to extended outside dewiki, and it needs to be deployed for each campaign aiming to do so manually by its creator.

The concept doc for this campaign is a bit uncertain about what projects do we need to consider:

This is what we need from Goran:
User behavior in Wikipedia, Wikidata and Commons:
user registrations in Wikipedia
user edits in Wikipedia
page views of certain landing pages in Wikipedia, Wikidata and Commons and Wikivoyage

and then

on wiki registrations through the campaign per tag and project on a daily basis during the campaign (from 9th of November through 21st of December).
on wiki registrations through the campaign per tag and project in total (through 31st of January)

The thing is: we can follow the campaign tags across anything that happens in dewiki unless Adam's hack is deployed. Sincerely, I do not remember when was the last time that we've used it.

Please advise. If the analytics are needed for dewiki alone - all is fine. If not - somebody please do something.

Hi @GoranSMilovanovic , @Tobi_WMDE_SW
sorry if the tracknig doc is not clear on this point. If it is possible to use Adam's hack here, it would be great if we could track registrations and edits in Wikimedia Commons. If so, we need to add tracking tags for Newsletter Number 5. Wikidata will not be necessary.

Good Morning @GoranSMilovanovic ,

ah, I see, thank you :)

@kai.nissen thanks for the explanation: I am absolutely not familiar with Extension:Campaigns. Is there anything I could do? Maybe you have time for a short call? You can send me an invitation.

@kai.nissen thank you, that's interesting!
to sum up: Registrations are tracked, but cannot be clearly assigned to a link if the person registering has previously clicked on other tagged links. That's a pity, but I think it's bearable. Or do you have an idea how this could be solved?

@GoranSMilovanovic
great, thank you.

@GoranSMilovanovic :
I've just run two further tests registrations:

Hi @GoranSMilovanovic , thank you very much.
So, it seems the tracking does work, if we are not logged in before clicking.
I will run two or three final tests today.

following Kai's instructions as you can see in this doc, I have just registered another test registration.
Name: Test CE 1 neu 2
link followed:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Deutschland/LerneWikipedia?campaign=WMDE_2021_wikipost_1_1
Edits: one edit using this account.

thank you, Goran, for the analytics.
@Kai: it seem's we're having trouble with tracking registrations followning lernewikipedia again, whereas clicks are tracked.
Could you have a look, please? We had adjusted the tags according to your recommendations: neither # nor ??.
Do you have an idea why the registrations are not tracked? Please have a look at our[[ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FMf5MUAptWh3qjcTOwUWybzBOHCo8T_Co9OEhPWba9g/edit | test doc, ]] where every step of the tests is documented.

Hi @GoranSMilovanovic, we added two new tests, as described in the test doc:

Hi @GoranSMilovanovic , thank you very much.
That does sound good, however, I am confused, as user "TEST CE 1 neu" should have registered from WMDE_2021_wikipost_1_1 instead of WMDE_2021_wikipost_1_6
I suggest, we keep testing to make sure everything is working correctly.
We will let you know about further tests by tomorrow.

Hi @GoranSMilovanovic ! Any news here? Have the latest click, registration and edit been tracked?
Thanks for letting me know.

@GoranSMilovanovic
Thank you! I

In T291919#7464593, @GoranSMilovanovic wrote:

@Hanna_Klein_WMDE @Verena @Tobi_WMDE_SW

Including @Verena and @Tobi_WMDE_SW @Addshore here because I know that they are aware of the following technical twist: the Adam hack.

@Hanna_Klein_WMDE To put it in a nutshell, the Adam's hack is a mythological creature, a digital entity, a piece of code that enables the campaign tracking to extended outside dewiki, and it needs to be deployed for each campaign aiming to do so manually by its creator.

The concept doc for this campaign is a bit uncertain about what projects do we need to consider:

This is what we need from Goran:
User behavior in Wikipedia, Wikidata and Commons:
user registrations in Wikipedia
user edits in Wikipedia
page views of certain landing pages in Wikipedia, Wikidata and Commons and Wikivoyage

and then

on wiki registrations through the campaign per tag and project on a daily basis during the campaign (from 9th of November through 21st of December).
on wiki registrations through the campaign per tag and project in total (through 31st of January)

The thing is: we can follow the campaign tags across anything that happens in dewiki unless Adam's hack is deployed. Sincerely, I do not remember when was the last time that we've used it.

Please advise. If the analytics are needed for dewiki alone - all is fine. If not - somebody please do something.

Hi @GoranSMilovanovic, thank you very much for the first analysis.
It's strange, but there have been more pageveiws on further tagged links, that apparently have not been tracked.
Moreover, there have also been six test registrations, called Test CE 1 to 6, and even edits, as you can see in this doc.
The links that have been tracked are marked in green, the other ones are red. I can't see a pattern here?

hi @GoranSMilovanovic I am very sorry if there was a misunderstanding. I thought, once everything for tracking is prepared we can start testing and one day earlier or later would not be crucial.
I have made some adjustments in the timeline, which you can see in the task. This week and next week we will run the tests and start the campaign on November 9th.
I hope that works for you.

Hi @GoranSMilovanovic , we have started testing.
Could you please send me the link for the public data directory where I can find the daily analysis?

@GoranSMilovanovic great, thank you! We will start testing on Monday.

Hi @GoranSMilovanovic , I hope you are doing fine!
This week, we would like to start testing the tracking. Please let me know, once you've prepared the analytics code, so that we can begin.

Hi @GoranSMilovanovic
I will be on holidays from tomorrow untill October 18. Let's start testing afterwards. The campaign itself will also be slightly postponed. I will adjust the timing in the tracking doc and in the description above.
Thanks and best regards
Hanna

Unfortunately, I have to come back to you concerning this again.

@kai.nissen thanks a lot for the explanation.
@GoranSMilovanovic there is nothing more to do here. Thanks!

Hi @GoranSMilovanovic!
I am waiting for @kai.nissen to come back next week.
@kai.nissen: it would be great if you had a look on this issue. To round it up:
Here is the tracking doc along which we implemented an email-campaign from June 30 to July 29. However, neither registrations nor edits do appear, as you can see here - except for one test account which I created, when following this link: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:QueerFilm?campaign=WMDE_2021_wikipost_1_11, instead of any Link containing "Lerne Wikipedia".

@GoranSMilovanovic thank you for your feedback. I will talk to Kai as soon as he returns from his holidays.

In T284826#7248054, @Hanna_Klein_WMDE wrote:

Thank you, @Merle_von_Wittich_WMDE
@GoranSMilovanovic
I've just created Test 3 Hanna Klein (WMDE) and edited following this link https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Deutschland/LerneWikipedia?campaign=WMDE_2021_wikipost_4b_1

Also I've just noticed, that when following the tracked link to Lerne Wikipedia and then following the registration the tag doesn't appear in the taskbar anymore. Might that be the reason?

@GoranSMilovanovic thank you! That's interesting. Do you think the reason might be that Lerne Wikipedia is not to being tracked?
And: can you see if there are any further registrations on any other link of the list except for those containing lerne wikipedia?

Hey @kai.nissen,
could you please have a look at this thread? Perhaps you have an idea, why the tags in this campaign are not being tracked?

Thank you, @Merle_von_Wittich_WMDE
@GoranSMilovanovic
I've just created Test 3 Hanna Klein (WMDE) and edited following this link https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Deutschland/LerneWikipedia?campaign=WMDE_2021_wikipost_4b_1

In T284826#7246435, @GoranSMilovanovic wrote:

@Hanna_Klein_WMDE

In the meantime: there are no campaign registrations containing anything similar to WMDE_2021_wikipost.

The following query - pretty much standard in all our recent campaigns - returns an empty result set:

SELECT year, month, day, hour,  event.campaign, event.userId, event.userName 
    FROM event.serversideaccountcreation 
    WHERE 
      year = 2021
      AND event.campaign LIKE '%WMDE_2021_wikipost%';

Let's give a small chance that the test user account that you have made is not registered in our databases yet. I will repeat the query later during the day.

I think that you really need to get in touch with the person who managed the campaign setup.

In T284826#7247640, @GoranSMilovanovic wrote:

@Hanna_Klein_WMDE

Finally, another search for campaign registered users in reference to T284826#7245950 and T284826#7245960: nothing found.

@GoranSMilovanovic
I've just created the following account Test Hanna Klein (WMDE) and I've already edited on Wikipedia with that account.

@GoranSMilovanovic thank you!
I will now create a test account following this link: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Deutschland/LerneWikipedia#Schritt1c??campaign=WMDE_2021_wikipost_4b_1

Good Morning @GoranSMilovanovic

Hi @GoranSMilovanovic I hope you are still enjoying your holiday.
I have just had a look at the analytics and realized that some of the links are not listes:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Deutschland/LerneWikipedia#Schritt1_?campaign=WMDE_2021_wikipost_1_1
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Deutschland/LerneWikipedia#Schritt1??campaign=WMDE_2021_wikipost_2_2
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Deutschland/LerneWikipedia#Schritt1c??campaign=WMDE_2021_wikipost_3_3

Thank you very much, @GoranSMilovanovic

@GoranSMilovanovic ok! Thank you, too and happy holiday! :)

@GoranSMilovanovic it's completed. I copied the new pages in an additional table below. They are complete now. Can I erase the rest of the upper table from 3b onwards? (don't want to mass up your reminder-comment in the doc)

Ok :) I will add them all now! Will let you know as soon as it's finished!

@GoranSMilovanovic one more question concerning the project timeline:

@Merle_von_Wittich_WMDE could you please subscribe to this ticket :)
@GoranSMilovanovic I will be on holiday from Monday on: In case of any questions, please contact Merle.

@GoranSMilovanovic i don't understand: is there a problem? The page views may come from me, as I created the tags yesterday and tested them...
A 1:1 session might make sense: I've just sent you an invitation.

yes, of course :)

@GoranSMilovanovic
At the moment I am preapring new tags for the 2nd and 3rd newsletter campaigns, who will be sent on 7 and 14 July. I've also noticed the ?? - does it matter? Shall I change them? The other tags remain the same.
I will let you know as soon as I have finished preparing the tags for NL 2+3, so that you can prepare the tracking ok?

Hi @GoranSMilovanovic again.. I've prepared everything but I think due to the football match going on it doesn't make much sense to start the campaign tonight.
I will schedule for tomorrow 11am.
Thank you very much and have a nice evening!

@GoranSMilovanovic I am still struggling with the template :( I will let you know, once the campaign is started. Probably 6:00pm. I think it might be sufficient if you do the test tomorrow?

@GoranSMilovanovic we will start the camppaign today at 5:30pm!
Please check the tracking doc with the tags again. I've slightly adjusted the tags as some of them were given twice.
Thank you very much and please let me know if you have any questions.

Hi @GoranSMilovanovic : I am so sorry, we had problems with the E-Mail Template. We will start tomorrow. I will let you know once the campaign has started!!
Thank you for your understanding.

@GoranSMilovanovic we will start the campaign on Monday!
Sorry for the delay..have a nice weekend!

Hi @GoranSMilovanovic thank you for putting the code in place. I don't know yet for sure, but we might not start the campaign today. I will let you know asap. Thank you very much!

Hi Goran: I've listed the pages including the tags for tracking for the first newsletter here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xziEs3HyR48a_BRzCnSnytuuu6nbrr479WQMCsCofSk/edit#heading=h.hx8yscz43hsd

Hi Goran, I will add the pages to be tracked here today.
We will probably start the campagin tomorrow.