In T223684#5344799, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

In T223684#5297634, @Xabier.Armendaritz wrote:

Hi @Trizek-WMF. The Basque Wikimedians User Group has decided that we need to translate into Basque all the documents listed in the first message of this page, including the text that appears bellow the paragraph on a light red background, that says: "The sections below may be changed significantly in the coming weeks, or are too technical or less relevant for the understanding of the project. We have decided not to have them translated."

Regardless of that warning, we consider that it is valuable to have translated into Basque the part bellow the paragraph.

That paragraph appears in these three documents:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Growth/Personalized_first_day/eu
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Growth/Understanding_first_day/eu
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Growth/Focus_on_help_desk/eu

Now, we have all those three documents part in English, part in Basque, as we cannot translate the last part of each of them into Basque. Could you help us?

It is a bit complicated.

At the moment, as you noticed, the page is half marked for translations. The second half is less relevant for general information. We could have open the entire page for translation, but some updates are posted there time to time. Mark the page for translation would require to spend time watching new activity there.

Your crew is motivated to translate entire pages and it is great! However, some communities may not have the same workforce than yours, and feel a bit discouraged, even if there is a warning saying "The sections below may be changed significantly in the coming weeks, or are too technical or less relevant for the understanding of the project. The following sections don't need to be translated."

We are also using the translation system to check on the level of completion for those translation for the languages we work with closely: have the translations done à 100% is visible now: mark the rest of the mage would make it less easier to check.

So I would personally prefer not to change the current system. But if you really think you're missing something valuable in those pages, please add the translation markup (I don't have time to do it myself at the moment), make the change in the warning message and let's go. :)

In T223684#5265646, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

In T223684#5259633, @Inaki-LL wrote:

We are interested in translating this into Basque. Please can someone prepare this for translation?

All pages listed on the task description are ready for translation. You can pick one, click on "Translate this page" and choose Euskara.

We are interested in translating this into Basque. Please can someone prepare this for translation?

Hi @MMiller_WMF I am translating this project to Basque, and we are interested in continuing the translation down below the message, this is the link. Could you prepare this for translation? I could not edit it. Thanks

Now that is ambitious, Theklan! One more suggestion for an easier article search, either in EU WP or all projects, could be to 1. intelligent search by avoidance of spelling confusion (diacritics, capital letters, etc.), or/and 2. search returns by just adding the first letters of the words contained in the article's name, e.g. Sphinx water erosion hypothesis, result delivered by inserting letters or swehyp (six letters).

@matmarex I guess you are dealing with the matter. I bring the comment over from the other thread opened for the issues found in the Basque wikipedia.

@matmarex I guess you are dealing with the matter. For another clue, regardless of nowiki codes, I opened now the article Foruen amaiera Hego Euskal Herrian by clicking on "aldatu" (Visual Editor), and after loading it adds a parasitic blank line below the first paragraph in the article. Thanks

The only thing intentional is the case suffix added. Then, after publishing the changes, the <nowiki/> code appears, I have written no code if I understand you right.

From my little knowledge on coding, from experience I can say that I often see ghostly <nowiki/> codes appearing next to links.

1. Go to the article Foruen amaiera Hego Euskal Herrian and section Testuingurua, here

Hi @matmarex, yes, the article has changed, and I cannot reproduce it now. The bug was consistent enough, but now it did not work, it does not show. It has happened in other articles I am working now, like here, but it is erratic, and I cannot reproduce it right now. Will try again at night, and fingers crossed I will be able to do it. Thanks

Thanks @valhallasw, I did not realize there was a VisualEditor project, so glad to see it is moving to the right place. Hopefully this will go faster now ;)

Ez dakit beste inork nahi duen, ni behintzat prest!

Ez, ez da. Markatu ditzaket, bereziki hiruzpalau galdera, hobetzeko edo eguneratzeko, oraingoz, eta horiei buruz gehiago ezagutu ahala edo zeuk ahal baduzu eguneratzen joan.

@Theklan, ondo legoke galdera teknikoen edukiaren eguneraketa zeuk egitea/gainbegiratzea, nik ez baitut asko kontrolatzen. Eskerrik asko

Egun on, politikak, MediaWikiko Ikusizko Editore orria, Laguntza:Gida arina, Maiz egiten diren galderak (Teknikoa) dira orain lantzen eta aztertzen ari naizen orriak, baita laguntza orrien arteko lotura koherentea eta albait intuitiboena.

Orri nagusia da garrantzitsuena, bai, irudia gehitu duzuna. Une honetan, kaotiko samarra da, salbu eta gehitu ditudan bi botoiak. Kontzeptua argi dut eta nire proba orrian lantzen ari naiz, baina egia esango dut, nire mugak ditut diseinuari dagokionez, motela naiz.

Tresna aproposa izan daiteke haientzat. Nik beste modu batean baliatu nuen bere garaian Stanforden, informazio iturri gisa alegia. Ea zer erantzuten duten irakurleek. Duda egiten dut, hala ere, unibertsitate ikasle gehienek atzerrian euskaraz artikuluak idazteko gaitasuna dutenik. Ikusteko.

Kaixo bioi! Sorry atzerapenagatik, goiza marroi batekin kendu didate, bihar eta etzi honetan batez ere ibiliko naiz. Banaka joan nadin:

@Deskana Thanks for looking into this! Ok, I am continuing the thread here. I tried again with the year 1973 in the article ("1973an") Ida Kamiska, and it still happens. I select 1973, to link it to the year 1973. Still the link slides to the left out of the word. However, no "nowiki" tag shows as a result, see here in wikitext once I have performed the change in Visual Editor.

@Deskana I will reproduce the steps I take,

Thanks for the link Deskana, will read it.

@Deskana Yes, I am also sorry. The thing is I do not know how to reproduce other than provide diffs, since I am only now coming to grips with Phabricator, but still do not know what you mean with reproduce or where I can do that... sorry also for my sort of primitive Phabricator knowledge.

@Deskana Please take a look at my History in my Basque WP Sandbox (internal link did not work out...). You will see in the diffs numbered 1 to 8 different tests I have done. Usually the first edits are fine, but the editing becomes increasingly erratic.

@Deskana I went through this issue with my username in different web browsers (Firefox and Chrome). Also I tried it (and double-checked it right now) with different accounts, and the issue remains there. A student in a university building (operating system Windows Microsoft) also drew my attention to this dysfunctional behaviour in the Visual Editor. The sample is wide enough to think it is not related to a specific place or account, as far as I see it.

In T186095#3940553, @Theklan wrote:

Ez, hori ezin dugu aldatu. Lankide bakoitzaren Proba orrian (ez orokorrean, baizik eta norbararenean) erabili daiteke Aldatu eta Aldatu iturburu kodea, biak.

Baina hori da azaldu behar dena laguntza orrialde berrietan, ez da bakarrik aldaketa kosmetikoak egitea, DENA aldatzea da.

@Theklan Egun on Theklan, Proba orrietan faltan ematen da "Aldatu" aukeraren fitxa, eta ez Aldatu iturburu kodea. Hori aldatzerik?

Kaixo, zer da Interwiki-Link-Checker orri honetan? Esteka hautsia da. Esango nuke gaindituta dagoela, artikuluen interfaze nagusiko ezkerreko zutabeko "Aldatu loturak" loturaren bidez. Eskerrik asko

Nire ustez, nahiko ondo dago, baina gauza batzuk egunera daitezke noski, gauzei kokapen hobea eman. Bale, neonek egingo

Bai, irakurri dut

Nik botoiak intuitiboago eta didaktikoago jarri, hori egin dezaket, horretaz ari bazara. Begiratuko dut ere eguneratu gabeko gauzak ote dauden, eta estiloa ukitu.

Hala ere, ez dakit ondo ulertu dizudan, zein arazo ikusten dituzu Laguntzarekin? Tailerretan argi eta garbi esaten zaie ikasleei nola aurkitu, ezkerreko zutabean. Gero, hor aukera guztiak agertzen dira: Tutoriala, Sarrera...

Begiratuko. Terminologian zuzenketa batzuk behar dira koherentzia emateko, eta Arbeleko "Trebakuntza" interfaze guztia, moduluetaraino, artean ez dutelako prestatu itzultzeko, ikus hemengo komentarioak. Kaganerrekin ere konpontzen saiatzen ari naiz: pasarte batzuk egun pare bat behar dute freskatzeko; beste testu batzuk ez dituzte itzulpenerako prestatu.

Kaixo, gaur denboraz hobeto ibili gara; gaztetxo pila etorri da eta apenas kabitzen ziren, hori bai. Arazo tekniko batzuk hasieran baina konponduta eratu da. Hori bai, ez didazu eman account-creator baimena azkenean, eta arazoa gertatu da pare bat ikaslerekin erabiltzaile izena sortzeko orduan: IP geratu dira.

Arbela pixka bat gehiago begiratzen ari naiz, batez ere nik hobeto ezagutzeko, baina ez dut uste merezi duenik ere ikasleak hor sartzen ibiltzea. Nahiko izan dute (EU) WP ezagutzea

Bai, arazoak izaten dira. Beno, egiten da egin ahal dena, eta gero gerokoak. Aurrekoan esaten zuen @Gorkaazk -ek beste mezu batean, agian errazena izango zela pop kulturaren inguruan aritzea, bestelako gauzetan sartu baino. Hau da, eurei gustatzen zaizkien musika talde, aktore, serie, fime... hobeto egingo dute ziurenik.

In T184382#3901119, @Theklan wrote:

In T184382#3900308, @Inaki-LL wrote:

Eskerrik asko. Bera izango da arbelaren titularra orduan, bai? Nik ze rol izango dut garapena ikuskatzen?

Ez dakit zertaz ari zaren

Ba hori, aipatu dudana.

In T184382#3900920, @Inaki-LL wrote:

Pasahitza aldatu diot, bai? "neroni"

Iñaki

Ez da beharrezkoa pasahitza aldatzea, azken finean publikoki ez da ikusten zein den ez badiezu ematen.

Pasahitz bat eman dit lehenetsita eta ez du gogoan izateko balio.

In T184382#3901027, @Inaki-LL wrote:

Aupa, ikasleei emango diedan pasahitza eta gurea desberdinak izan behar dira? Eta irakasleari?

Ez, berdina da guztientzat. Zuk ez duzu pasahitzarik, zure erabiltzailearekin sartu eta ya. Ikasleek badute bat bat egiteko. Irakasleak zertarako behar du pasahitz ezberdin bat? Hori ez da posible.

In T184382#3901041, @Inaki-LL wrote:

Sortu dudan Sestao Saturnino de la Peña - EU WP ezabatuko dut bikoiztuta ez egoteko, baina ez dakit nola...

Egin dut nik jada goizean.

Eskerrik asko

Sortu dudan Sestao Saturnino de la Peña - EU WP ezabatuko dut bikoiztuta ez egoteko, baina ez dakit nola...

Aupa, ikasleei emango diedan pasahitza eta gurea desberdinak izan behar dira? Eta irakasleari?

Pasahitza aldatu diot, bai? "neroni"

Eskerrik asko, orain ikusi dut. Bat ezabatuko
Iñaki

Eskerrik asko. Bera izango da arbelaren titularra orduan, bai? Nik ze rol izango dut garapena ikuskatzen?

Hitz egin dut euskara teknikariarekin. Ea argibideak lortzen dudan institutuko arduradunarekin...

Ondo. Hiru klase (zita) talde bana? Ala hiru talde zita bakoitzeko? Hiru gai besterik ez dago.

@Theklan Interesez irakurri dut hau. Ongi ulertu badut, milaka termino dira. Hemen aipatu duzu eskuz begiratuko direla deskribapenak (eta gero automatikoki igo) bat datozela segurtatzeko, hori lan luzea da, ezta? Begia asko zorroztu behar da.

In T180101#3775615, @Ragesoss wrote:

@Theklan you mean you want to update the dashboard to make the new translations live? You can do that for each module you want to refresh. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Training_modules/Documentation#Updating_the_dashboard

@Kaganer Good morning, I have a query on Translatewiki, about untranslated segments that do not need to translate, after adaptation, like in the Programas and Events Dashboard, see here. Is there any way to remove source segments to allow a saver outcome and a "translation completed" blue line at the end?

Great! Now yes, thanks

In T180101#3827847, @Kaganer wrote:

In T180101#3827700, @Inaki-LL wrote:

Another issue: in Editing basics, the section "Take control of the text!" shows a capture I need to change to localize (it goes, "[[boldness|bold]]"), find it here. I cannot work out where it is.

Fixed, please check.

Another issue: in Editing basics, the section "Take control of the text!" shows a capture I need to change to localize (it goes, "[[boldness|bold]]"), find it here. I cannot work out where it is.

In T180101#3820029, @Kaganer wrote:

So I undertstand I should add the localized image manually, is that right? In Meta, it is not possible to add anything, and on pages marked for translation, the image's syntax is nowhere to be found.

@Inaki-LL - About localized image/video situation is sad. Currently you may create localized versions with language suffixes and check substitution on Meta only. No simple way for view this in the Dashboard. We wait some solution from @Ragesoss about this issue (see my questions above and comment in the T182092).

In T180101#3819993, @Kaganer wrote:

Also some captions are not translated. I actually cannot work out where the caption comes from.

@Inaki-LL - you about "Test yourself!" ? This is part of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Training_module_quiz, this caption was not included in the translation, since it is not supported by the Dashboard. I corrected the template and will include this title (it's just that everything looked beautiful on Meta). "Copyright and plagiarism" also was lost, and curently included into translation - please re-check.

In T180101#3813548, @Kaganer wrote:

The {{lm}} template isn't going to work. I just changed it to put the image in directly without the template (but it's not marked for translation yet).

@Ragesoss , i'm sorry, i missed your explanation! This is sad :-( Maybe you may support any way for "transparency" localization?

@Inaki-LL, my explanation about substituting localized images related only to the wiki, but not to the dashboard. I'm sorry! Currently to the Dashboard transferred image url from "source" field in the template {{Training module image}}:

In T180101#3813148, @Kaganer wrote:

...As told in other posts, video captions are also in English.

This video hosted in the YouTube. Its source available in Commons, see https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_basics_-_Talk_pages.ogv or https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Editing_basics_-_Talk_pages.webm. This link (to .webm version) was provided in meta-page - see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Training_modules/dashboard/slides/10818-video-talk-pages and click "Enlarge" button:

Since you told me to add spacing before the language code, that is what I did, but then you have added that it should be a dash. Still it does not allow me to change the name in Commons, because it assimilates dash to space, see / try here.

In T180101#3812446, @Kaganer wrote:

Our goal is to localize these images. Should we upload one to Commons then copy the syntax of the URL above changing eu# and File:?

As example:

1. Source English illustraton - File:VisualEditor_read_edit_source_edit_view_history.png
2. Your llocalized illustraton should be uploaded into Commons and named as "File:VisualEditor_read_edit_source_edit_view_history_eu.png" (your langcode after space)

Then localized file will be substituted in the translated slide automatically, by langcode mathing. This is magic ;)

Also there is additional category for your localized scrennshots of VisualEditor - Category:VisualEditor-eu

So back to reload-modules, the above example ( https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/reload_trainings?module=editing-basics) does not work as you can verify yourself, is it possible you fix that?

@Ragesoss Sorry what image are you talking about?

In T180101#3803413, @Ragesoss wrote:

@Inaki-LL at this point, the only way is to do use the 'reload_modules' url. At some point I'd like to add a refresh button on the slides themselves (along with links to the meta page for each one).

In T180101#3799647, @Kaganer wrote:

I am also updated many slides from first two groups:

• Wikipedia Essentials (Slide ids: 103XX)
• Editing Basics (Slide ids: 108XX)

In the «Editing Basics» some captions for images, butoons and videos was lost (not included in translation units). Also added language bar for each slide.

Please check your translations again - through aggregate groups, if this is more useful: Editing Basics (Slide ids: 108XX)

@Ragesoss @WhatamIdoing @Kaganer Hi everyone, whenever I am trying to see the last outcome (outreachdasboard) after I change something in Meta (editing basics), it does not refresh automatically, which makes all the proofreading tedious really. Is there any way to refresh immediately, like a Wikipedia page?

@Base, @Whatamidoing-WMF, @Kaganer, with reference to this, I have this variant: if I leave "$edit-source" it seems that a translation applies next to it for the purposes of identification in the target language interface and translation, I think something like "[$edit-source Translation]" applies (in my case "[$edit-source Editatu iturburu kodea]"), since the text needs a translation anyway, is that right? (Something like [$link sandbox] > [$link пісочниця] explained above) Thank you

Itxura ona!

Appreciated Kaganer, it helps keep coherence of text. Sometimes it is still a bit of a hassle to find back the group link

That is helpful, thanks Base

Thank you Base. So in "Now it's time to get started editing! You can navigate to your own [$link sandbox] page in another browser window to try it out for yourself.", I understand I should leave the word "sandbox" w/o translation, right? Another similar example for the phrase "edit-source": "Here's some basic Wikicode to format your text on Talk pages or the "$edit-source" option on articles."

In T175550#3766968, @Aitzolete wrote:

Ni ados egitarauarekin. Kontu solte batzuk:

• Ordutegia 11:00-19:30 da.
• Hitzaldiak ematearena ez daukat garbi. Publiko oso gutxi normalean.
• Idazleen ahotsak grabatzeko hitzorduak jarri behar ditugu aurretik. Norbaitek lagunduko digu hortan? Gerediagak agian? Zarata handiko gunea da eta kalitate handiko grabaziorik ezingo dugu egin, baina mugimendu polita sortu lezake.
• Aurrekoan esan bezala, elkartea ezagutarazi eta bazkide berriak lortzeko leku ona izan daiteke. Pothocall-ak girotxoa sor dezake gainera. Kabi@ bertan egongo da ala aparte? Eskuorria, kartela... atera behar genuke, ezta?
• Eta inportanteena: nortzuk egongo gara 8an Durangon? taldetxo bat osatzea komeni.

In T180101#3760977, @Whatamidoing-WMF wrote:

I marked the "Editing Basics" section. Note that a couple of the pages (e.g., https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Training_modules/dashboard/slides/10805-edit-vs-edit-source ) are very English-Wikipedia-centric (e.g., it's one of the few wikis that have the Single Edit Tab feature on by default). Please remind translators to adapt the material to the relevant language/wiki. The goal is to maximize utility rather than to precisely translate something that was written for a different situation.

Thanks for looking into this, @Kaganer and @Whatamidoing-WMF. All Editing Essentials seems to be up and ready, but not Editing basics. I wonder if there is any way to mark all slides more straightforward, as the way put forward by Kaganer has codes in just about all paragraphs.

In T180101#3751843, @Kaganer wrote:

In T180101#3748528, @Inaki-LL wrote:

Page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programs_%26_Events_Dashboard/Frequently_Asked_Questions is updated and marked for translation .
In future, you may use {{Ping|kaganer}} template "in-wiki" for call me to resolve any problems with translatable pages.

Uste dut hobe dela gutako edonork edita dezakeen taula sortzea,
Phabricatorren ahal bada edo Galderrek esan bezala Googlen agian. Ondo segi

Great! That is appreciated. This second link looks pretty good, I will wait a bit for MarcoAurelio see if he can shed further light

Thanks Mainframe98, that is helpful. I hope I can get one administrator, the last time my question on an admin in Meta was not very fruitful (no answer), could you guide me on the exact place to ask for a translation admin? Thanks in advance

Egun on! Badago modurik goiko taula modu praktikoan baliatzeko? Alegia, eskuineko zutabea editatzeko?

Thanks! I understand that I should not add the /eu extension either, right? Regards

I am not sure if this is assigned to Rageoss. I would like to somehow contact him to clarify my queries, that is all. I did not tag this either. A direct link to the issue queried is [[ m:Special:Translate&group=agg-Programs_and_events_dashboard_training_modules&language=eu&filter=%21translated&action=translate | this ]]. Thanks Aklapper

Hi Aklapper, to be honest I am quite new to Phabricator, he talked to Theklan, who in turn suggested we address him for any queries, and I started this thread; not sure if this is the way to start a dialogue. Regards

In T176658#3634799, @Xabier.Armendaritz wrote:

Oso ondo iruditzen zait datorren astean bilera egitea.

Estilo liburuari buruzko nire proposamena argitzearren: ez dut proposatzen guzti-guztia beste estilo liburu horien esku uztea (Berria egunkariak eta IVAPek egindako estilo liburuen esku, alegia), baizik eta Euskal Wikipediarako oso estilo gida labur bat egitea, oinarrizko jarraibide gutxi batzuekin, eta azkenean, sakondu nahi duenarentzat, esteka horiek ematea. Kontuan izan behar dugu norentzat ari garen: estilo liburu hori ez dugu euskal testugintzako adituentzat soilik egin behar, baizik eta Euskal Wikipedian ekarpenak egiteko gutxieneko maila duen edozein erabiltzailerentzat.

Gainera, oso denbora tarte laburrean egin beharreko lana da, ez dugu astirik estilo gaietan sakontzeko eta euskal wikilarien komunitatean testu korapilatsu baten inguruko adostasuna sortzeko. Oinarrizkoa eta irakurterraza baldin bada, errazagoa izango da wikilari aktibo gehientsuenek irakurtzea eta adostasun zabal samarra lortzea. Gero, oinarri sendo hori lortzen badugu, hurrengo urteetan izango genuke, pixkanaka, atalez atal estilo liburu osatuagoa egiteko aukera (baina betiere kontuan izanda gure komunitate txikian sekulako estilo liburu potolo bat egitea ez dela lehentasunezko helburuetariko bat: zenbat eta arau gehiago, nekezagoa da horiek betearaztea).

Ikus zeinen estilo arau gutxi dituzten Katalan Wikipedian:
https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viquip%C3%A8dia:Llibre_d%27estil
https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categoria:Normes_d%27estil_de_la_Viquip%C3%A8dia

Xabierri esan bezala, asteartean ondo datorkit, 20:00etan

Ok Ok, I am trying to convert it into a smaller version. However, any move
to figure out current problems will be much appreciated. Thanks

Ummm, sorry I am lost. The logs tell nothing to me... What I am supposed to do next? Thank you

Filename is AsironLaburpena.ogv if that helps. Thank you