In T248418#6557816, @Aklapper wrote:

@Iniquity: If you run into specific bugs, then please file specific bug reports with clear steps to reproduce (URLs, web browser and version and operating system, etc) as specific bug reports are off-topic here (this task is about deploying a piece of software instead). Thanks.

In T248418#6557761, @kaldari wrote:

The UX still works fine for me, including for audio files. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

In T248418#6549116, @kaldari wrote:

I am not sure that T258622: Poor display of media on Special:NewFiles is personal opinion :)

Regardless of whether its an opinion or not, it's purely a cosmetic issue. I don't think that should block deployment, personally.

In T257490#6505896, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

I checked on Википедия:Форум/Помощь_начинающим and I saw no new messages since September 23. Is there anything on the translation that would make things unclear, and prevent users from using the Help panel? Have you posted test messages?

Have no questions may happen as well. :)

On the other hand, I notice people who make suggested edits and contact their mentors. This part works! :)

It seems to me that the information button does not refer to the difficulty level, it refers to the description of the task. That is, there should be

Some long task {infoIcon}
label

In T257490#6495068, @Etonkovidova wrote:

In T257490#6494521, @Iniquity wrote:

Hi, can you see why newscomers stopped posting to the help page? It seems to me that something is broken:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?hidebots=1&hidecategorization=1&hideWikibase=1&tagfilter=help+panel+question&limit=500&days=30&enhanced=1&title=%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:%D0%A1%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B8&urlversion=2

@Iniquity - the most recent question - Википедия:Форум/Помощь_начинающим&diff=next&oldid=109426145 seems to be a test question and was made on Sep 23 and deleted (the tag #отменено).
You may check - ask a test question via Help panel and the delete the test question. I checked in our test env; posting questions via Help panel seems to to be working.

Yes, we tested that. But 2 weeks no questions from newscomers, and it is strange.

Hi, can you see why newscomers stopped posting to the help page? It seems to me that something is broken:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?hidebots=1&hidecategorization=1&hideWikibase=1&tagfilter=help+panel+question&limit=500&days=30&enhanced=1&title=%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:%D0%A1%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B8&urlversion=2

In T261714#6461034, @MMiller_WMF wrote:

@Iniquity -- do you think this is an important issue that we should work on? Usually, new questions on the Russian help desk go to the top. But our feature posts new ones to the bottom.

I think yes, this is important. We have 99% of the messages on the forums from the top, and beginners need to get used to this :)

Thanks for the extended description! Regarding the license, wouldn't it be better to use two of them: MIT and CC? As far as I know, it is very difficult to use logos and icons licensed under СС, because for each copy you have to indicate the authorship and you can't not create a link to the source on Commons.

If you want more feedback, I can start discussing this implementation on the Russian Wikipedia.

We also need to make sure that the original source is also displayed on hover. If we are talking about https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMDE_Technical_Wishes/Book_referencing

Added several possible projects, delete if not for you :)

One more NSFW filter: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-NSFW.js. I generally like the idea of this filter, if it is to decode as Not Safe For Work.

@mmodell thanks :)

In T262073#6438228, @Jack_who_built_the_house wrote:

In T262073#6438125, @Iniquity wrote:

I'm not entirely sure if this function is needed. Nobody seems to do this on any site.

When a page is edited with the standard interface, the title is "Editing [pagename]" so users can quickly pick up where they were editing.

Well, this is more a matter of our habit of a terrible discussion system :)

I'm not entirely sure if this function is needed. Nobody seems to do this on any site.

In T257490#6425668, @Catrope wrote:

In T257490#6420277, @Iniquity wrote:

Oh, I forgot to specify that the topics are added to the top on our help desk, it is possible to make the same behavior for 'help panel' posts?

We don't support that right now. I don't think it will be much effort to add support for it, but we would need some time to do that. It's not just a switch we can flip (yet). I've filed T261714 for this.

@Amire80 Thanks for coming :) For example, I had to remove the grammatical structure here: https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=MediaWiki%3AGrowthexperiments-homepage-suggestededits-footer%2Fru&type=revision&diff=9580213&oldid=9517091

Oh, I forgot to specify that the topics are added to the top on our help desk, it is possible to make the same behavior for 'help panel' posts?

@Aklapper, sorry, I thought this is a known issue. Yes, I can't edit my project yet.

Wow! Thanks :) I am going to check :)

In T261442#6417053, @Aklapper wrote:

@Iniquity: Not without context what is a "project description" is and where to find one. :)
Please follow https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_report_a_bug and always include clear steps to reproduce. Thanks!

I have tried to edit details for this project (Convenient-Discussions), but have no rights.

Hello, when is it planned to complete undeploy? :)

In T257490#6412070, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

I had to coordinate with @Catrope, and, due to timezones, we missed our replies. @Iniquity, the deployment will start tomorrow, August 27. Catrope will provide the timeframe.

In T257490#6407207, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

@Iniquity, is there any event scheduled within your community that would influence this date? If not, we can pick any time this week, like on Wednesday, August 26.

It seems to me that you can set up it any day :)

In T260787#6406356, @abi_ wrote:

Translations were exported: https://github.com/nyurik/dibabel-js/commit/f3dd2bd20a835e77a23fa6163e9ca9d211e69717

Moving this to done, but leaving it as unresolved for sometime for monitoring.

Well, thank you! :)

In T257490#6395300, @Catrope wrote:

@Iniquity Could you help me out with the help panel links? You've provided the targets for these links (the pages the link takes you to when you click it), but not the label of each link (the text that is displayed to the user). For example, "Introduction to images with VisualEditor" might be the name of a page, but for newcomers we probably want to use "How to insert an image" as the text for that link. I've made some guesses, but I don't speak Russian, so most of my guesses are probably wrong. Could you please tell me what corrections I need to make to the list below?

In T257490#6390158, @MMiller_WMF wrote:

@Catrope is going to do the setup this week, which will identify whether there are any other issues that need to be addressed by the community before we deploy.

I honestly don't know how you want to deploy it in group 1. One more accessibility task, I forgot about it: T225640: Video.js mode doesn't show subtitles by default on non-English sites.

@TheDJ What do you think if we do not make a pop-up menu? :) And let's do something like this:

Added demo for changes.

@alexhollender Thank! I now understand your thoughts :) But in any case, it seems to me that this is a bad decision. You can indent with some graphic elements at the logo level.

In T258584#6375969, @Esanders wrote:

Note that "CC"/closed-captioning is English, and specifically North American English, terminology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_captioning#Terminology

In T257490#6379298, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

Do other templates have enough tasks?

Everything seems to be fine with the rest of the templates. I will think about how best to do it.

In T257490#6374205, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

We try not to use the "multiple issue template. :)

Have one template that lists numerous things confuses people: "what's important?" "If I have to do X but I read that X, Y and Z must be completed, what should I do?"

We try to select articles that have one template, which clearly tells the user what to do. It is easy to fix one thing instead of multiple things at once. Fixing multiple things at one is for experienced users.

That is, it will search the entire template tree, hmm... It's okay that our template may have several issues in one? I mean, it looks a lot like "multiple issues" from enwiki.

@Trizek-WMF I suddenly thought, why is it required to specify a template, and not a category for 'Suggested edits'? We have just half of the articles using a universal template {{rq}} with additional parameters.

In T257490#6373147, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

In the meantime, please check on the task description. I found that 3 links are missing.

Hi :) When it is appear? :)

Wow! Yes, please :) I need it for VideoJS player. All native icons need to be replaced T258584: Align VideoJS player to Wikimedia UI design. It is possible to create an icon in three versions: full volume, half volume, muted?

Updated by @1989. Thanks! :)

In T248457#6363684, @kaldari wrote:

@Iniquity - Your continued arguments here are inappropriate and disruptive. Please stop. We have already agreed to implement this change at the request of the English Wikipedia community. If you have concerns about the merits of this change, please take them to that community and present your case there.

I am completely at a loss as to why I should be doing this in a place that was not intended for this. My comments are not about English Wikipedia, my comments are about the workflow of all projects.

In T257490#6363588, @MMiller_WMF wrote:

@Iniquity -- yes, we can specially run the experiment around the welcome survey to check whether it depresses the number of newcomers who make edits, and we will be able to report back after about 6 weeks.

It would be cool :)

In T248418#6362778, @Strainu wrote:

These three look more like matters of personal opinion than bugs. While it would be good to have them decided one way or the other, I don't think they should stall the rollout.

I am not sure that T258622: Poor display of media on Special:NewFiles is personal opinion :)

I think yes, but in any case I will need the same report :)

In T248457#6361440, @kaldari wrote:

There is not about local consensus of enwiki, they can do whatever they want, it's about how the developers and the fond implement the integration with wikidata and between all projects.

Nothing will change regarding the Wikidata integration for other projects (besides English Wikipedia).

Once again, the current implementation creates an unused comfused template across hundreds of wikis because of ContentTranslator, and also allows large wikis to be removed from the workflow instead of integrating them, which degrades the quality of the data on Wikidata.

In T248457#6359928, @kaldari wrote:

Can we please stop rehashing the RFC here? If there is difference of opinion on the merits of this change, please seek consensus on Wikipedia, not here. Arguing here only wastes the time of everyone involved.

In T257490#6359873, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

Which proportion of users raised this up?

Enough to cause concern :) You can google translate this part of consensus. I just need data about our test to convince them.

Mainly arguments: "I would not work with Wikipedia myself if you showed me this poll. Users will think that we want to steal their data"

In T257490#6359676, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

Thank you for the update! ;)

In T258584#6359066, @Jdforrester-WMF wrote:

That large a hover trigger area probably isn't great from an accessibility standpoint (too much of the screen flashing in response to user action).

Hmm, It seems to me that it is good that the entire button is blinking, maybe I'm wrong.

In T258584#6359066, @Jdforrester-WMF wrote:

Can you explain why you think the current WikimediaUI-compliant design isn't?

1. Not our icons are used
2. Not our colors are used
3. The start button is basically out of OOUI style

@brion, @Jdforrester-WMF: And if like this (gif image)?

We can set a fixed width for the block, but here it is mainly about the fact that such buttons cannot be used :)

In T246035#6357180, @brion wrote:

In T246035#6357153, @Iniquity wrote:

Don't just call the OOUI window, maybe just replace the area of the audio placeholder?

That would defeat the purpose:

• no place for subtitles
• no place for additional controls which will be added later for control of embedding and subtitles
• no garbage collection of player instance when it's closed

• Create display:none block, and change it to display:block when subtitres choosen
• I think there is enough space, but for especially small sizes, remove all settings to the additional menu.
• I don't quite understand why this is needed :)

Don't just call the OOUI window, maybe just replace the area of the audio placeholder?