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Mar 3 2018

Jane023 added a comment to T89600: Convert Template:Artwork to LUA and use Wikidata.

What other Wikidata properties we should harvest?

Mar 3 2018, 7:28 AM · Wikidata, Structured-Data-Commons

Nov 15 2017

Jane023 added a comment to T51443: UW support for other templates than {{Information}} (eg {{Artwork}}).

Ah I believe you are confusing the two issues - future software implementations and current backlog cleanup drives paired with reducing future backlog. Implementation of this will at least allow people to correct the stuff they upload (or have already uploaded with the default uploader).

Nov 15 2017, 6:23 PM · Commons, Multimedia, UploadWizard
Jane023 added a comment to T51443: UW support for other templates than {{Information}} (eg {{Artwork}}).

@Jane023 true, BUT it's easier to write tools that work and scale, when you are working with a predictable structure.

Nov 15 2017, 11:40 AM · Commons, Multimedia, UploadWizard
Jane023 added a comment to T51443: UW support for other templates than {{Information}} (eg {{Artwork}}).

This issue will not go away with Structured Commons, just to be clear on that. To help understand this issue, here is a mapping from the artwork template to Wikidata using an example from a 17th-century painting: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Commons_vs_Wikidata_for_PD-Art-100-1923_images.png

Nov 15 2017, 9:13 AM · Commons, Multimedia, UploadWizard

Nov 7 2017

Jane023 added a comment to T179879: Provide a 5-minute timeout in WDQS for trusted users using OAuth.

I have come to understand (mostly through trial and error, and then asking around) that to reduce the time on the query you need to start with the thing that has the least number of items in the group you want to query. As these "sub groups" get bigger and bigger, I need to become more and more creative over time to split these sub-groups in order to make the same query on a yearly basis. It would be nice if these large "sub-groups" could have their own reporting instances in query-land somehow, so e.g. all women-items, all people-born-in-city items, all items-with-sitelinks-in-specific-project (language WP, language WS, Commons), etc.

Nov 7 2017, 8:52 AM · Discovery, Wikidata, Wikidata-Query-Service
Jane023 awarded T179879: Provide a 5-minute timeout in WDQS for trusted users using OAuth a Love token.
Nov 7 2017, 8:45 AM · Discovery, Wikidata, Wikidata-Query-Service

Oct 25 2017

Jane023 added a watcher for Structured-Data-Commons: Jane023.
Oct 25 2017, 5:59 PM

Oct 6 2017

Jane023 added a comment to T177475: Create a map-on-the-fly feature for people and objects for Wikidata items.

Hmm that is nice, that doesn't seem to work too well for Rembrandt. I guess his paintings have traveled too far over time. I like the plot of the places of residence, but it would be nice to have them plotted with lines in order of residence. We have lots of people on Wikidata (not just painters) who unlike Rembrandt, were born in one country, lived in another country, and died in yet some other country. Sometimes location data helps to get these people onto the radar of various nationally-oriented wikiprojects. I didn't know that Descartes lived for a short while within bicycling distance of my house. It made me look at his work in a different way.

Oct 6 2017, 10:32 AM · Wikidata Query UI, Maps (Maps-data), Wikidata

Oct 5 2017

Jane023 added a comment to T177475: Create a map-on-the-fly feature for people and objects for Wikidata items.

Yes that map for Leiden looks interesting on a per-location basis. I really like the idea of connecting the dots however. It also gives people some motivation to type in the places artists lived and worked, rather than just stopping at the birth and death places.

Oct 5 2017, 4:19 PM · Wikidata Query UI, Maps (Maps-data), Wikidata
Jane023 created T177475: Create a map-on-the-fly feature for people and objects for Wikidata items.
Oct 5 2017, 10:46 AM · Wikidata Query UI, Maps (Maps-data), Wikidata

Jul 16 2017

Jane023 added a comment to T54564: Allow sitelinks to redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'.

I think the problem that forms the basis of this task is not very well formulated. It might be worthwhile to convert this task into one of documentation on Wikidata and if people still feel strongly after understanding all the issues, then maybe link it to some strategy page on Meta. As far as I can tell the main reason this functionality is desired at all is due to notability concerns on various projects. Allowing a Wikidata sitelink to a Wikipedia redirect page would enhance the notability of that redirect (somehow) in that specific wiki project. Another idea was that using Wikidata information in Wikipedia infoboxes would be enhanced if this functionality was enabled. Notability for each wiki project is different from notability on Wikidata and I don't think Wikidata can or should even try to become some sort of notability indicator. From the other end of the spectrum, maybe the conversation we should be having is to eliminate all red links that don't link out to a Wikidata item. This would force page creators to go to Wikidata first, and that would have the added benefit that we would have a much smaller backlog of merges on Wikidata. Wikipedia redirect links could similarly all be converted into greenlinks that link to a Wikipedia page as well as a Wikidata item. This would have two benefits for the page creation process: 1) new pages would be properly linked on Wikidata and 2) users of greenlinks will be able to easily opt for the Wikidata item (which may be useful if different than the redirect target).

Jul 16 2017, 1:47 PM · Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository

Jul 4 2017

Jane023 added a comment to T169356: two settings preferences that seem to impact mediaviewer.

Maybe there can be some communication on village pumps to this effect? Because I did notice that on some languages I got stuck in Wikipedia and in other languages I didn't. This must be because of local community gadgets that should be retired now there is a general extension (because the last message I had as a user was to use the settings wheel in the media viewer itself, but this won't work anymore because of the above-mentioned problems)

Jul 4 2017, 6:47 AM · MediaWiki-extensions-MultimediaViewer
Jane023 awarded T169356: two settings preferences that seem to impact mediaviewer a Like token.
Jul 4 2017, 6:44 AM · MediaWiki-extensions-MultimediaViewer

Jun 29 2017

Jane023 awarded T169210: Restarting tools after NFS issues a Orange Medal token.
Jun 29 2017, 1:43 PM · Toolforge, Tools
Jane023 awarded T169210: Restarting tools after NFS issues a Cookie token.
Jun 29 2017, 1:43 PM · Toolforge, Tools

Apr 11 2017

Jane023 updated the task description for T162654: Record hangout of basic Tool Labs access and use.
Apr 11 2017, 6:50 AM · Documentation, User-bd808, Toolforge
Jane023 awarded T162654: Record hangout of basic Tool Labs access and use a Love token.
Apr 11 2017, 6:29 AM · Documentation, User-bd808, Toolforge

Mar 4 2017

Jane023 awarded T89552: Implement International Image Interoperability Framework (IIIF) prototype service on Wikimedia labs a Love token.
Mar 4 2017, 8:27 PM · Structured-Data-Commons, Wikidata, Possible-Tech-Projects, Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown, Multimedia

Jan 28 2017

Jane023 awarded T63909: Make use of before and after in Time datatype a Love token.
Jan 28 2017, 3:44 PM · Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository
Jane023 awarded T156544: Create backups of Wikimedia content in diverse geographic places a Love token.
Jan 28 2017, 8:57 AM · Internet-Archive, Offline-Working-Group, Operations

Jan 24 2017

Jane023 awarded T131280: Make aggregate data on editors per country per wiki publicly available a Love token.
Jan 24 2017, 7:39 PM · Analytics-Kanban

Nov 5 2016

Jane023 added a comment to T127475: Finding biases and content gaps in Wikidata.

Yes I would drop the word "bias" then. It is about identifying and
measuring gaps, no? There should be a link somewhere to the bias side of
things (not sure where that is - diversity?)

Nov 5 2016, 3:39 PM · Wikimedia-Hackathon-2018, Wikimedia-Hackathon-2017, Wikidata, WMDE-Tech-Communication-Mentoring-And-Events
Jane023 added a comment to T127475: Finding biases and content gaps in Wikidata.

Shouldn't his be split into biases and content gaps? The first is hard to measure (involves the community of editors personally - e.g. who they are groupwise, such as gender, nationality, age, education etc) and the second is a bit easier (coverage of geo-locations, topics per expert ontology, neutral POV for breaking news, etc.)

Nov 5 2016, 3:16 PM · Wikimedia-Hackathon-2018, Wikimedia-Hackathon-2017, Wikidata, WMDE-Tech-Communication-Mentoring-And-Events

Jul 29 2016

Jane023 added a watcher for PAWS: Jane023.
Jul 29 2016, 8:57 AM

Jul 12 2016

Jane023 created T140134: CX Translation tool stopped working.
Jul 12 2016, 5:24 PM · ContentTranslation-out-of-beta

Jul 7 2016

Jane023 added a comment to T139589: Create a location-based category-suggestor for the upload tool when uploads contain location in coordinates.

Well I suppose we would need some sort of global map for Commons whereby any coordinates need to fit into some container category. I think it would be well worth doing, but I am not too sure whether it should be done on Commons or Wikidata.

Jul 7 2016, 3:26 PM · Discovery-Search, Commons, Maps, GeoData, Wiki-Loves-Monuments
Jane023 added a comment to T139589: Create a location-based category-suggestor for the upload tool when uploads contain location in coordinates.

Interesting! I have a Windows phone so I can't test it. If it is in the app I wonder if that is built-in functionality that comes with the app platform or if it can be converted to the default uploader, because lots of new cameras put the coordinates in the exif data these days

Jul 7 2016, 3:07 PM · Discovery-Search, Commons, Maps, GeoData, Wiki-Loves-Monuments
Jane023 added projects to T139589: Create a location-based category-suggestor for the upload tool when uploads contain location in coordinates: Commons, Commons-App-Android-Upload.
Jul 7 2016, 11:31 AM · Discovery-Search, Commons, Maps, GeoData, Wiki-Loves-Monuments
Jane023 updated the task description for T139589: Create a location-based category-suggestor for the upload tool when uploads contain location in coordinates.
Jul 7 2016, 11:27 AM · Discovery-Search, Commons, Maps, GeoData, Wiki-Loves-Monuments
Jane023 created T139589: Create a location-based category-suggestor for the upload tool when uploads contain location in coordinates.
Jul 7 2016, 11:25 AM · Discovery-Search, Commons, Maps, GeoData, Wiki-Loves-Monuments

May 12 2016

Jane023 added a comment to T54564: Allow sitelinks to redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'.

If Wikidata wants to draw new contributors then it would be valuable if you don't need to use complicated hacks to create sitelinks to redirects.

May 12 2016, 7:10 AM · Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository

May 9 2016

Jane023 added a comment to T133719: Content translation sometimes fails to add a sitelink for new articles.

I have tried but have not been able to replicate this issue yet. It does appear to update the target item in real time or very close to real time.

May 9 2016, 6:23 AM · WorkType-Maintenance, Wikidata, ContentTranslation

Apr 28 2016

Jane023 added a comment to T133719: Content translation sometimes fails to add a sitelink for new articles.

Interesting! Is there any way to alert when the user hits save that the wikidata item is or could not be updated? I mean I have in the past saved to a userpage as a test, so obviously linking that to the wikidata item would not work (I just saved under another name). Then when I move the article to mainspace, the original item should be shown again somehow. Maybe if the link is unsuccessful that the saved article should just include wikitext in the form of [[Category:Articles without Wikidata items]] or just <!---Original Wikidata item is Q9999--->. I suppose only the first is visible to the Visual editors though.

Apr 28 2016, 7:45 AM · WorkType-Maintenance, Wikidata, ContentTranslation

Apr 1 2016

Jane023 added a comment to T131156: Discussion: Brainstorm ideas for new directions in microcontributions from mobile web and apps..

Mundane actions I do on a regular basis is copying the same information from English Wikipedia to Commons and Wikidata (or any combination thereof). Some common statements on all three projects for the Sum of all Paintings project are 1) Creator name 2) Title of work 3) Collection 4) Inventory number in the collection 5) link to the artwork in the collection's website 6) Subject of artwork 7) Genre of artwork 8) Date of artwork. For more background look at [[Category:Paintings]] on English Wikipedia or Commons. See also Maarten Dammers work on adding Wikidata items to artwork templates on Commons and adding Commons images to Wikidata items about artworks.

Apr 1 2016, 1:17 PM · Mobile-Apps, Wikimedia-Hackathon-2016

Feb 3 2016

Jane023 updated subscribers of T120497: Pageview Stats tool.
Feb 3 2016, 8:29 AM · Pageviews-API, Analytics, Tools, Category, Community-Tech, Community-Wishlist-Survey-2015

Jan 1 2016

Jane023 updated subscribers of T95682: [Task] Add a new datatype for identifiers.
Jan 1 2016, 12:15 PM · Story, Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository

Dec 18 2015

Jane023 updated subscribers of T120778: Allow Redirects to be linked to Wikidata items.
Dec 18 2015, 12:45 PM · MediaWiki-Redirects, Wikidata, Community-Wishlist-Survey-2015

Nov 9 2015

Jane023 updated subscribers of T99899: [Story] Looking up entities by external identifiers.
Nov 9 2015, 11:20 AM · MW-1.32-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-05-08 (1.32.0-wmf.3)), Discovery-Search (Current work), Patch-For-Review, Wikibase-Lua, User-Smalyshev, Story, Wikidata

Oct 22 2015

Jane023 updated subscribers of T116001: Large job queue increase, category updates etc. very slow.
Oct 22 2015, 11:44 AM · MediaWiki-JobQueue, Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown, Performance
Jane023 added a comment to T116001: Large job queue increase, category updates etc. very slow.

Thanks for spelling all that out. I had no idea the job queues on Commons could run up that high, that fast. Fascinating stuff and thanks for fixing the problem.

Oct 22 2015, 11:44 AM · MediaWiki-JobQueue, Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown, Performance

Oct 21 2015

Jane023 updated subscribers of T116001: Large job queue increase, category updates etc. very slow.
Oct 21 2015, 10:53 AM · MediaWiki-JobQueue, Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown, Performance

Oct 3 2015

Jane023 added a comment to T111898: Enable Grant Bot Rights Permission for Sysop in Maithili Wikipedia.

Thanks for the link - I saw that page. Am I correct in assuming that they need a page under the list of shortcuts that states their local "bot policy" before making the request? I assume this is easily done by translating a similar project's bot policy page, but I am checking because that whole page is not clear to me at all.

Oct 3 2015, 12:34 PM · Patch-For-Review, Wikimedia-Site-requests
Jane023 added a comment to T111898: Enable Grant Bot Rights Permission for Sysop in Maithili Wikipedia.

"Basically you're setting up a precedent: small wikis can circumvent failed request to establish local 'crats by simply asking devs not aware of global practices to "boost" their sysops."

Oct 3 2015, 12:08 PM · Patch-For-Review, Wikimedia-Site-requests
Jane023 added a comment to T111898: Enable Grant Bot Rights Permission for Sysop in Maithili Wikipedia.

Yes I can imagine that for small or threatened language groups, that such requests may occur more often as we get better at providing data through Wikidata and input possibilities with font support.

Oct 3 2015, 11:32 AM · Patch-For-Review, Wikimedia-Site-requests
Jane023 added a comment to T111898: Enable Grant Bot Rights Permission for Sysop in Maithili Wikipedia.

Maybe if you gave a number of voters to shoot for? I am willing to vouch for anything Tulsi does, so I could go there and vote and get some friends to join me. I understand that though it may be silly, it could be a restriction of the mediawiki software? Or are people here really so distrusting of letting go of the bot controls (sorry, not a bot operator, so can't see the danger)

Oct 3 2015, 11:08 AM · Patch-For-Review, Wikimedia-Site-requests
Jane023 added a comment to T111898: Enable Grant Bot Rights Permission for Sysop in Maithili Wikipedia.

Hi all, after being messaged about this on facebook, can someone please sum up the status for the followers? As far as I can tell, the problem is that there is 1) no bureaucrats or 2) not enough votes. This is a very small community that wishes to jumpstart growth with an ambitious plan stated here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Editing_Maithili_Wikipedia
Please help them get what they need, and if you are unable to do so, please explain what they need to do to move forward on this! It's unclear to me, and my english is way better than theirs.

Oct 3 2015, 10:52 AM · Patch-For-Review, Wikimedia-Site-requests

Aug 14 2015

Jane023 added a comment to T76827: [Story] Image thumbnail urls should be included where applicable in wikidata API response for commonsMedia.

Getting back to the original comment, I think we should be thinking in terms of creating an "export data package" that can be used by any Wikimedia project or any external party. Think "infobox" for Wikipedia and "image template" for Commons. Each Wikimedia project should have its own import and export wizard for such data packages. In this scenario, the sizing of the image can be something that the consuming project can tweak based on their own "import data package" wizard. Magnus has sort of created an export data package with his "prepbio" tool, but it would be best if this was a two-step process, i.e. 1) export wikidata item to datapackage, followed by import datapackage to English Wikipedia (or to Dutch Wikipedia, or for painting items, to Wiki Commons artwork template, etc). The other way around it would be nice to have a Commons exporter to use for item creation on Wikidata

Aug 14 2015, 1:00 PM · Story, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata
Jane023 updated subscribers of T76827: [Story] Image thumbnail urls should be included where applicable in wikidata API response for commonsMedia.
Aug 14 2015, 12:54 PM · Story, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, Wikidata

Jul 30 2015

Jane023 added a comment to T54564: Allow sitelinks to redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'.

There have been several RfC's on Wikidata for this issue, most recently this one (closed with no consensus):
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Sitelinks_with_fragments

Jul 30 2015, 1:05 PM · Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository

Jul 28 2015

Jane023 added a comment to T54564: Allow sitelinks to redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'.

No, the answer is not to create a sitelink to a redirect. The answer is to
overhaul the Kilowatt hour article and split it into an article mostly
about the history of the measurement and link it to a new short article on
Watt hour, which today is but a lowly redirect. Wikidata does not link to
redirects, because it doesn't know what to do with them as they have zero
data. Ask not what Wikidata can do for Wikipedia, but what can you as a
Wikipedian do for Wikidata.

Jul 28 2015, 6:29 AM · Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository

Jul 27 2015

Jane023 added a comment to T54564: Allow sitelinks to redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'.

Try to think of Wikidata in the same context as Wikimedia Commons. A few
would probably agree with you that eventually every image will have its own
Wikipedia article. I am not one of those people.

Jul 27 2015, 7:13 AM · Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository

Jul 24 2015

Jane023 added a comment to T54564: Allow sitelinks to redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'.

If you don't want items to be merged, you need the separate items to be

able to have sitelinks.

Jul 24 2015, 8:08 AM · Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository
Jane023 added a comment to T54564: Allow sitelinks to redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'.

I see that I was unclear in my wording. I wasn't asking about a Wikipedia merge action but a Wikidata merge action. In your examples you are only referring to Wikipedia. The example you give on the football player probably comes closest to the person-duo problem, so I will spell that one out for you. The football player is a human and has a birth date and the squad is a team and has an inception date. These items do not match and should not be merged.

Jul 24 2015, 6:43 AM · Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository

Jul 4 2015

Jane023 added a comment to T101950: Goal: Establish a framework to engage with data engineers and open data organizations.

The SoaP project augments existing Wikidata items about paintings that already exist, and creates items in a structured way for paintings that exist in the real world, but are not yet on Wikidata. Many paintings have items because some Wikipedia somewhere has an article about the painting, or because it is in one of the metadata runs that Maarten has been doing. As he creates a body of items based on top museums starting with the GLAMs who have already donated to Commons, I have experimented with two artists to include their body of work as documented by art historians. This is effective as a way to measure the way we model painting items on Wikidata, but also as a way of testing the "findability" of items (I have merged many doubles) and discovering collections for Maarten to "datamine". I started with Frans Hals, and applied the same concept to Pieter de Hooch a few months ago. The result for Hooch is a list on Wikipedia (en/fr/nl) built with the assistance of "Listeria" that links directly to Wikipedia painting articles or Wikidata painting items (in that order of preference) here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_paintings_by_Pieter_de_Hooch

Jul 4 2015, 8:47 AM · Goal, DevRel-September-2015, ECT-August-2015, ECT-July-2015, Wikidata, Developer-Advocacy

Jul 2 2015

Jane023 added a comment to T101950: Goal: Establish a framework to engage with data engineers and open data organizations.

We are already doing more than imagining GLAM applied to Wikidata, we are applying GLAM datasets to Wikidata at Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings
We not only have Maarten who is busy adding painting items from the world's greatest collections, we also have collections who are eager to share data with us and "see what happens". The Rijksmuseum has given us their old catalog codes (from before 1976) in order to make matchups to art catalogs possible. They have also shared with us their iconclass codes on all of the artworks for which we have Wikidata items. These have been added in the property "P1256 Depicts iconclass notation".

Jul 2 2015, 9:12 AM · Goal, DevRel-September-2015, ECT-August-2015, ECT-July-2015, Wikidata, Developer-Advocacy
Jane023 updated subscribers of T101950: Goal: Establish a framework to engage with data engineers and open data organizations.
Jul 2 2015, 8:49 AM · Goal, DevRel-September-2015, ECT-August-2015, ECT-July-2015, Wikidata, Developer-Advocacy

Jun 19 2015

Jane023 updated subscribers of T91928: The Event Organiser's Userright.
Jun 19 2015, 2:34 PM · MediaWiki-extensions-ThrottleOverride

May 29 2015

Jane023 added a comment to T75734: mediawiki.ui checkbox not working on Safari for iOS 5.1.1.

I find this bug *extremely annoying* and would like a work-around if it can't be fixed

May 29 2015, 8:49 AM · Browser-Support-Apple-Safari, UI-Standardization

May 12 2015

Jane023 added a comment to T54564: Allow sitelinks to redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'.

What you are describing is a Wikipedia merge action, which is indeed common on Wikipedia for various reasons. However, that does not indicate to me that there is any need for a corresponding merge action on Wikidata, as such a merge does not mean the Wikidata items need to be merged. In the case of a Wikipedia merge, the redirect is left "hanging" due to a bug, but in the normal course of things, this should be deleted from the associated Wikidata item. Oddly, what you are describing as an answer to my question is considered a feature by others. I call it a kludge to get what some here want, namely a Wikidata link to a redirect. My question still stands - why would you want to merge two distinct Wikidata items to each other, if one was a person and the other is a duo?

May 12 2015, 7:11 AM · Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository

May 11 2015

Jane023 added a comment to T54564: Allow sitelinks to redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'.

Sorry, I can't think of a case where "these "complainers" would then also have to prevent any and all attempts to merge the articles back into whatever article they were split from". In my mind, we are facilitating the growth of articles with a minimum of interwiki-spagetti-ness, including splitting some very large Wikipedia articles into mobile-friendly shorter articles, not the other way around! Can you please provide a situation where you would want to merge a (hypothetical) "Bonnie" back into a (hypothetical) "Bonnie & Clyde" article? I am still not seeing the benefits of having this feature. I only see reasons against it.

May 11 2015, 1:52 PM · Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository

Dec 28 2014

Jane023 added a comment to T67470: Hover doesn't work on some touch interfaces or flyout displays incorrectly..

I cannot use the drop-down from my iPad1 so I disabled this feature. There was no way to update the user preferences to turn it off once I realized I couldn't get to my watchlist either. If the drop-down freezes, there is no workaround, even though I selected the desktop version at the bottom of the page.

Dec 28 2014, 2:29 PM · Compact-Personal-Bar-Beta, MediaWiki-extensions-VectorBeta

Dec 10 2014

Jane023 added a comment to T54564: Allow sitelinks to redirect pages to fix the 'Bonnie and Clyde problem'.

I am against implementing this so-called fix,because it would undermine what Wikidata is all about. Wikidata is meant to interlink same or "highly similar" concepts in different languages. As a language wiki expands, in the normal organic Wiki growth model articles get split into more concepts. It is perfectly normal for a short stub on "Bonnie and Clyde" to be lengthened and later even split out into 3 articles that include articles on Bonnie and Clyde. If in one language there is a book written about Clyde, it is possible that that language only includes Clyde, and so forth. Wikidata should not feel obligated to link all languages that have at least one of these three concepts, but only make direct links based on the items linked to individual articles. This is correct Wikidata behavior. I find it quite interesting by the way, that this whole conversation seems to be based on examples where the "redirect" case is always notable enough for its own article in any language. It would be more constructive if the complainers here would just go and create those articles instead of trying to create interlanguage redirects. On the subject of usability (which is what we are theoretically trying to improve anyway), there is a very tiny minority of mobile users who have ever even seen the button at the bottom of the screen to select a different language, so these redirects if implemented would never be used anyway.

Dec 10 2014, 9:48 AM · Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository