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Dec 22 2015

Jeeltcraft added a comment to T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".

Thank you for your proposal. Sadly, the Outreachy administration team made it strict that candidates with any kind of academic/other commitments are not approved for this round. Please consider talking with your mentors about further steps, and we hope to see your application ( the same too, if the consensus still exist ) in the next round of GSoC/Outreachy. Closing the same as declined, and all the very best for the next round!

Dec 22 2015, 12:49 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons

Nov 23 2015

Jeeltcraft added a comment to T107410: Wiki 3d warehouse.

Hi all, I'm sorry that the project was declined, but I can see why from your previous comments.
Is there an alternative way to let me work on this task on wikimedia?
Do you think this project may be interesting for these grants?

Nov 23 2015, 10:13 AM · Possible-Tech-Projects, Maps, Discovery, Commons

Oct 31 2015

Jeeltcraft added a comment to T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".

Maybe this project would be better as an IEG.

See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG

Oct 31 2015, 1:29 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft updated the task description for T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".
Oct 31 2015, 1:28 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft added a comment to T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".

I think there might be a bit of a language barrier here causing misunderstanding. Maybe.

This part of your plan:

1 month and a half.
I'll build as many 3D models as I can using blender

Is the part I think is out of scope.

Oct 31 2015, 9:24 AM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons

Oct 28 2015

Jeeltcraft added a comment to T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".

Right. Your proposal says:

For this last task I would implement an export tool to export the 3dmesh and sematic data to IFC open source format, which is studied right now as a standard for archeological 3D models for open data sharing in Italy and put that on Openstreetmap or wikimedia servers.

Commons doesn't support IFC today, therefore funding a tool to export to IFC today seems premature or out of place. This is another of the many technical questions that this proposal has still open in relation to what Commons does and supports.

Oct 28 2015, 3:39 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft added a comment to T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".

@Jeeltcraft, the point of that sentence is "needed to sustain a FOSS project". Writing Wikipedia articles or publishing 3D models of buildings in Commons helps Wikimedia as a free culture hub, but not as a software development project.

Oct 28 2015, 2:55 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft added a comment to T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".

If someone said they were going to create a bunch of videos to illustrate articles on Wikipedia, it would be out of scope (I assume). I'm not sure how this is any different.

The comparison is useful, thank you. The Blender - 3D formats - WLM - OSM aspects of this proposal made us focus on technical feasibility and Wikimedia scope for Outreachy, but removing all that, this is a proposal to create content for a Wikimedia project, not a project benefiting Wikimedia as an open source project.
I checked https://wiki.gnome.org/Outreachy and it says

The internships offered are not limited to coding, but include user experience design, graphic design, documentation, web development, marketing, translation and other types of tasks needed to sustain a FOSS project.

Therefore, unless someone comes with better arguments, this proposal is out of scope for Outreachy.
The Wikimedia movement might have other venues to finance an internship to create/curate content (a residency in the context of GLAM would be a close example), but we org admins and volunteers helping in Outreachy have nothing to do with them.

Oct 28 2015, 2:39 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft added a comment to T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".

If someone said they were going to create a bunch of videos to illustrate articles on Wikipedia, it would be out of scope (I assume). I'm not sure how this is any different.

The comparison is useful, thank you. The Blender - 3D formats - WLM - OSM aspects of this proposal made us focus on technical feasibility and Wikimedia scope for Outreachy, but removing all that, this is a proposal to create content for a Wikimedia project, not a project benefiting Wikimedia as an open source project.
I checked https://wiki.gnome.org/Outreachy and it says

The internships offered are not limited to coding, but include user experience design, graphic design, documentation, web development, marketing, translation and other types of tasks needed to sustain a FOSS project.

Therefore, unless someone comes with better arguments, this proposal is out of scope for Outreachy.
The Wikimedia movement might have other venues to finance an internship to create/curate content (a residency in the context of GLAM would be a close example), but we org admins and volunteers helping in Outreachy have nothing to do with them.

Oct 28 2015, 2:38 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft added a comment to T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".

It would be out of scope for Google Summer of Code, but it can be considered within scope as a technical project in Outreachy. Non-coding projects are fine in Outreachy as long as they relate to free software.

But does it relate to free software (in a non-minimal way)? [Except possibly the last bit about an OSM 3d model -> IFC converter]
If someone said they were going to create a bunch of videos to illustrate articles on Wikipedia, it would be out of scope (I assume). I'm not sure how this is any different.

Oct 28 2015, 12:11 AM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons

Oct 27 2015

Jeeltcraft added a comment to T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".

So to clarify, are you proposing to do:

  • Build a bunch of 3D models of various buildings
  • Shove these models on a server somewhere
  • link to these models on the external server from commons image description pages, and from osm.

Is that correct? Because that's what I get out of reading your proposal.

Oct 27 2015, 10:10 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft added a comment to T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".

@Jeeltcraft, @Dkiselev, @Baruneju, @Saverio.G, the questions about the scope and feasibility of this project in the context of Wikimedia and Commons remain open. The Commons community needs to know that this proposal is being presented, and I have been requesting you to post in their Village Pump. Without clear community support, we cannot accept this proposal.
Trying to help you, I have just posted https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Outreachy_project_proposal_welcomes_Commons_community_feedback

Oct 27 2015, 3:27 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft added a comment to T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".

I changed the 3d format to OBJ which is actually supporter by wikimedia as far as I know

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:File_types currently does not list OBJ, could you clarify / provide some reference?

I'm posting the link to this project in that page you mentioned, and I'm trying to get the interest manifestazione by the italian wikimedia community.

To avoid further unfortunate confusion in this task, please paste links to relevant discussions.

!In T115987#1745580, @Qgil wrote:

Nobody from the Commons community has expressed any support, and I still wonder whether they are aware at all that this is being proposed. Again, a quick post to Commons Village Pump linking to this proposal would clarify things.

As Commons is multi-lingual I'd highly recommend to also bring this up on the English Commons village pump at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump - again, we are interested in expressed support.

Oct 27 2015, 9:17 AM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons

Oct 25 2015

Jeeltcraft updated the task description for T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".
Oct 25 2015, 9:45 AM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons

Oct 24 2015

Jeeltcraft updated the task description for T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".
Oct 24 2015, 1:28 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft added a comment to T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".

Ok, the file format problem is solved, openstreetmap already has an exporting procedure for 3D models, so the only file I would link to the wikimedia commons pages are html and javascript files.

Oct 24 2015, 1:11 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft updated the task description for T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".
Oct 24 2015, 1:07 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons

Oct 23 2015

Jeeltcraft added a comment to T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".

About file formats I'm reading the discussione and will partecipate to that and update the wikimedia pages for outreachy tomorrow.
Sorry but I just can't do it before.

Oct 23 2015, 1:22 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons

Oct 22 2015

Jeeltcraft added a comment to T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".

Italian archeology community is on wikimedia commons, the monumento database is on wikimedia commons, i really don't know why i should refer to openstreetmap.
Osm is to me just a tool to get a georeferenced 3d procedural semantic model.

Oct 22 2015, 4:15 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft added a comment to T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".

Italia an archeology community is on wikimedia commons, the monumento database is on wikimedia commons, i really don't know why i should referendum to openstreetmap.
Osm is to me just a tool to get a georeferenced 3d procedural semantic model.

Oct 22 2015, 4:14 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft added a comment to T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".

I'm posting the link to this project in that page you mentioned, and I'm trying to get the interest manifestazione by the italian wikimedia community.

Oct 22 2015, 4:07 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft added a comment to T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".

I changed the 3d format to OBJ which is actually supporter by wikimedia, anyways if you carefully read the proposal it says that the final 3d file will be a navigabile HTML using webgl technologies, so o don't see the format problem by now

Oct 22 2015, 4:05 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft added a comment to T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".

OK, let's try to clarify all this confusion:

  • T107410: Wiki 3d warehouse is a Possible-Tech-Projects under discussion. That project idea suffers the same problems of scope and technology that I have mentioned here.
  • As far as I can see, @Dkiselev is not a Commons contributor. We haven't got any records of he willing to mentor this project, but this is easy to fix. He should address the concerns I'm raising, though.
  • There are 10 days left before the deadline, and this proposal plus the original project idea are very unclear. Nobody from the Commons community has expressed any support, and I still wonder whether they are aware at all that this is being proposed. Again, a quick post to Commons Village Pump linking to this proposal would clarify things.

While these questions are being unansewered, I still think that your chances of success with this proposal are a lot bigger at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Outreachy_Round_11.
@Jeeltcraft, I hope you see that I'm trying to help you. Your proposal is objectively interesting but, as it is today, it cannot be an Outreachy internship for Wikimedia. You and @Dkiselev still have time to redress this proposal and make it a successful Outreachy candidate, but you need to change your plans, or change your org.

Oct 22 2015, 4:04 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft added a comment to T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".

What's wrong with @Dkieselev mentoring me? He proposed the task first....

Oct 22 2015, 3:03 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft updated the task description for T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".
Oct 22 2015, 3:00 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft added a comment to T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".

This is an Outreachy proposal presented by @Jeelcraft, and should be assigned to her.
@Jeeltcraft, you are using Phabricator correctly, no worries. :) https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreach_programs/Life_of_a_successful_project#Coming_up_with_a_proposal says

Bringing your own idea is also possible, but usually this requires a good knowledge of our community and starting to plan months before the call for submissions. Before investing too much time on it, create a new task in Phabricator with a simple draft. We will share our first impression in the task itself.

Sharing my first impression is what I'm doing here. :) I'm providing arguments to help you improve your proposal and decide next steps.
Please re-read my comments. Commons only accepts the file formats specified at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:File_types

Oct 22 2015, 2:55 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft added a comment to T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".

This is not correct, I'm in contact with the italian wikimedia commons president and as long as he's been telling me there are no problems in me uploading models on wikimedia pages, in order to solve this issue I'm getting in touch with the wikimedia tech team and I set up some tech requirement to be sure everything goes well.

Your proposal says that you are going to provide .stl files. They are not supported in Commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:File_types
You can paste the content of an STL file to a wiki page and/or you can render STL files to i.e. PNG, but these are different types of outcome. It is good that you have personal contacts, but this proposal needs to be advertised and discussed in Commons' village pump. At the end it is a project about creating content, not about developing software, so not even WMF Engineering or the entire WMF have much to say. It's a decisions of the Wikimedia Commons community.

Oct 22 2015, 10:05 AM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft assigned T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse" to Dkiselev.
Oct 22 2015, 7:22 AM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft added a comment to T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".

Err. Looks like this is a proposal submitted for an #outreachy-11 project, which lacks two mentors. Pushing it back to its workboard

Oct 22 2015, 7:08 AM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons

Oct 21 2015

Jeeltcraft updated the task description for T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".
Oct 21 2015, 9:01 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft updated the task description for T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".
Oct 21 2015, 7:24 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft updated the task description for T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".
Oct 21 2015, 7:21 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft updated the task description for T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".
Oct 21 2015, 7:20 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft updated the task description for T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".
Oct 21 2015, 5:06 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft added a comment to T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".

Thank you for your proposal, @Jeeltcraft.
Is this project idea is within the scope of Wikimedia? It will depend on how strong is the interest of Commons. If you really want to push this proposal in Wikimedia, I recommend you to announce your proposal at Commons' village pump, pointing to this task. As of today, the resulting files could not be uploaded to Commons or used as such in Wikimedia projects, is this correct?

Oct 21 2015, 5:05 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft updated the task description for T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".
Oct 21 2015, 5:02 PM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons

Oct 20 2015

Jeeltcraft created T115987: Outreachy proposal for "Wiki 3d warehouse".
Oct 20 2015, 9:31 AM · Outreachy-Round-11, Commons
Jeeltcraft added a comment to T107410: Wiki 3d warehouse.

Hi I'd like to apply for the outreachy with a project on virtual heritage 3D geolocated and procedural models, I'm writing the project right now is there a way to talk with mentors on IRC to be sure my blender skills are ok for your needs?

Oct 20 2015, 8:30 AM · Possible-Tech-Projects, Maps, Discovery, Commons