In T188620#4142566, @deryckchan wrote:

@Roy17 has done a few tests in his userspace and saw that most websites failed to generate, including ones like BBC which usually work on en.wp. Have we missed some configurations?

In T187909#4142562, @kaldari wrote:

I imagine they will at least need to create a "cite web" template in order for Citoid to be practically useful (besides their existing cite book and cite journal). @Elitre, maybe you could ping Guliolopez and see if they would be willing to create that. Also, pinging via Phabricator: @Guliolopez.

I've created an initial Citoid mapping here: https://ga.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Citoid-template-type-map.json.

In T170681#3773859, @Aklapper wrote:

So far templatedata has been added to four out of five main templates (Template:Citation) still to be done. Robin Owain will work on translating the forms.

@Richard_Nevell_WMUK : Any updates to share?

In T168937#3774939, @Richard_Nevell_WMUK wrote:

We now have five citation templates:

1. Cite news: https://gd.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teamplaid:Iomradh_naidheachd
2. Cite journal: https://gd.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teamplaid:Iomradh_iris
3. Cite web: https://gd.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teamplaid:Iomradh_l%C3%ACon
4. Cite book: https://gd.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teamplaid:Iomradh_leabhar
5. Citation: https://gd.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teamplaid:Iomradh
   
   We have data maps for 1-4, and I think I should be able to put one together for #5. Once that's done, I'll put a message on the gd.wp village pump to ask for admin help editing the Mediawiki message.

I've copied the template data from en wiki and re-enabled the message.

In T187023#4129149, @Sebastian_Berlin-WMSE wrote:

@Mvolz, would you be willing to take a look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/423675? It would be great to get this (hopefully) last issue fixed.

In T189485#4095255, @patilise wrote:

@Mvolz: Citoid is now enabled in Japanese Wikipedia. Do we know what is the plan for resolving issues 1 and 3?

In T140539#4090233, @Sebastian_Berlin-WMSE wrote:

@Lokal_Profil and I discussed how we can move forward with making new translators and our proposal is:

1. Write translators for the latest version of Zotero, add them to Zotero's translator repo and sync Wikimedia's translator repo, as usual.
2. Push patch to Wikimedia's translator repo with code that is compatible with the version of translation-server that Citoid is using.
3. Future step: once Wikimedia's translation-server is updated, revert patches for older version.
   
   This way, it's still possible to contribute to Zotero and create translators that will work on Wikipedia. The drawback is that there will be a bit of extra work, to make the translators compatible with the old translation-server, but unless more issues are discovered, it should be manageable.
   
   Would this be a reasonable solution from Wikimedia's side?

I've temporarily disabled the message here as none of the templates have template data so it's not working: https://zh-yue.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Citoid-template-type-map.json&action=history

In T188893#4080287, @Sebastian_Berlin-WMSE wrote:

Is this something that will be fixed soon?

And you're correct, the live tests do appear to be working. I think it's plausible that the discrepancy is down to the outdated version of translation-server we're running :/.

In T188893#4079952, @Sebastian_Berlin-WMSE wrote:

Is there anything else that needs to be done for this change to take effect? The reference information is still wrong for e.g: https://sv.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/data/citation/zotero/https%3A%2F%2Fsverigesradio.se%2Fsida%2Fartikel.aspx%3Fprogramid%3D83%26artikel%3D6865752.

There are some (sporadic) failures due to timeout over at https://zotero-translator-tests.s3.amazonaws.com/index.html, but that seems to be the case for several translators.

In T188893#4072506, @Sebastian_Berlin-WMSE wrote:

Thanks you, @Mvolz. Yes, I did use the instructions on MW-wiki, in combination with the Zotero documentation.

I initially tried the translation-server, but I had some trouble getting it to work (I don't recall what the issue was). I ended up using Scaffold for development and testing of translators.

I've submitted an update, @mobrovac from Services usually does deploy. FYI you can test translators locally: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Citoid#Install_and_configure_Zotero's_translation_server. Just pop your translator in the translator folder to test. If it works with translation-server, it will work in production with citoid. It's really only sites that require log-in that it doesn't work with, or if you don't have the 'v' flag. Although sometimes weird cookie stuff happens too that makes it not work.

In T189989#4060889, @Ciencia_Al_Poder wrote:

Hmm, this won't work, I think, since the message seems to specify a subpage, while I'm using a whole new namespace.

See T187007 for background. An example template is on https://www.wikidex.net/wiki/Plantilla:Personaje, documentation in https://www.wikidex.net/wiki/Documentaci%C3%B3n_de_plantilla:Personaje

What wiki is this? This is due to https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125222

In T179229#4054220, @Pchelolo wrote:

We've recently filed T189805 to discuss the same question for node.js services, but I've merged it in here as a duplicate as we have to come up with a strategy common to both MediaWiki and services.

Thank you for opening the ticket! Unfortunately all of them likely require some extra development.

In T188329#4039823, @Tiven2240 wrote:

In T188329#4038070, @Mvolz wrote:

In T188329#4037668, @Tiven2240 wrote:

@Mvolz I have done the necessary changes needed for templates and it's template Data. Is there anything more to be done? Please re-enable the messages that was disabled.

Hope we will be able to use citoid to our fullest!

Thanking you,
User:Tiven2240.

Thanks, I see you have added template data, however, that's the template data for the english template - the parameters that need to be documented are the marathi ones, i.e. "दुवा". "शीर्षक" etc.

While I try to translate the documentation this error comes. Is there any solution for it?

In T188329#4037668, @Tiven2240 wrote:

@Mvolz I have done the necessary changes needed for templates and it's template Data. Is there anything more to be done? Please re-enable the messages that was disabled.

Hope we will be able to use citoid to our fullest!

Thanking you,
User:Tiven2240.

In T188329#4035366, @Tiven2240 wrote:

an Administrator has activated citoid on Marathi Wikipedia. But there is some error shown everytime. It shows some description problem. How can this be resolved? I have attached the screenshot too.

Ah looks like it is, thank you.

@Deskana The example listed in the task is an appropriate example for me :).

Thanks @Amire80, but I mean when I try to use machine translate, it doesn't actually translate anything, even when I'm publishing to a sandbox. Is that T138711?

In T188329#4005328, @Sureshkhole wrote:

I have posted about the same on village pump/technical issues. Let's see who comes for this task, otherwise, we will have to go ahead with whatever is possible.
thanks

@Sureshkhole Here is the documentation on how to do it. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Citoid/Enabling_Citoid_on_your_wiki

No idea ^-^.

Bah, I've checked today and the IP is now 86.189.23.132

That's great!

In T187171#3983015, @Urbanecm wrote:

additional question: Which projects you'll be working at? English Wikipedia only?

In T153315#2945065, @Samwalton9 wrote:

I'm not sure if there's somewhere better to discuss this on Phab, but I agree with matmarex regarding copy/paste. It's very unintuitive to be working in a plaintext source editor and have the software be guessing at what you copied to add extra formatting you didn't ask for. I think the new wikitext editor is great but this feature made me go back to the old editor; I got into the habit of using Ctrl+Shift+V which ended up being more bother than the new editor was worth.

@Jdforrester-WMF is there any evidence that users who use the visual editor first and then switch to source editor actually expect their pastes to bring formatting across? If that's user expectation then fair enough, but I'm very skeptical. To me, plain text source editing provides an expectation that the software isn't going to second guess you and introduce text you didn't explicitly type or paste.

In T187171#3966796, @Urbanecm wrote:

We can whitelist a range of IPs that's assigned to particular library, if you give your public IP. Also tell us the timeframe of your editathon and projects you'll be working at.

Best,
Martin

Similar to T111416?

So is the idea for this an on-wiki gadget?

In T127354#3964983, @Toniher wrote:

@Elitre @Mvolz As you see in the thread, we reverted changes and things work again. However, since I guess we should update our templates for fully accepting all Citoid options, maybe a good approach could be testing this kind of stuff in beta wikis first, such as https://ca.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/ This is what I originally did for enabling many Citoid features. Let's discuss it if you want, maybe it can also be helpful for other communities apart from the Catalan one...

That bug is T52372, btw.

Report from Facebook: some new users (in education programs) are reporting the "publish changes" button wording is "scary" and there's a request that it be changed to "save" in the Sandbox:

In T156548#3956855, @Dvorapa wrote:

Well, the community of Czech Wikipedia users has chosen the option two, but please try to understand, that nobody from our community doesn't fully understand, why we should fix by ourselves some bug made by developers. There are tendencies in our community not to trust WM developers, because there were issues with language list folding, OOUI pages, mobile view and many others in the past and developers didn't want to fix many of them.

There is also another similar issue, T115326. Our templates are strictly using ISO 639-1 standard two-letter codes and now Citoid ignores this policy and adds four-letter codes. And we blamed innocent users for that. There was an issue with TemplateData and templates without paramOrder were still sorted by VE. And we also blamed innocent users for that. Problems like these just make users upset to admins and admins upset to developers.

Last month I got an email from multiple Czech Wikipedia admins, that block page on mobile phone is broken and they can not block vandalisms using a mobile phone. I asked them why don't they create a task on Phabricator and report the issue to developers. And I got an answer, that the developers would do nothing, or even reject this, because this is the issue with OOUI and developers would not change OOUI to make block page work. So they asked me to create a gadget to turn off OOUI on Special:Block page on mobile phone to make Special:Block work on mobile phone again.

Well, you should understand at least partially the distrust to WM devs from cswiki community. And this issue is only another brick to the wall between users and developers. Nobody gets why Citoid should continue adding our language to the template. We have got a really old policy that our language should not be added to citation templates or next to the external links by users. But now Citoid does this and we used to blame innocent users for that, when we didn't know this is an issue in Citoid. This is just an unnecessary piece of page source adding unnecessary bytes to Wikimedia database/server storage creating unnecessary conflicts between users.

I personally don't care about the result of this task, I'm only a spokesperson. But you must understand I'm sick of explaining to users that developers aren't as mean as it looks like, and opposite, sick of explaining to developers that Czech Wikipedia users are not dumb. Also note that I'm sick of recurring complaints about this particular issue, like every month on technical village pump, that's why I'm making efforts to solve issues like this one.

As noted earlier, there are several options:

@Whatamidoing-WMF - so I just enabled ta wiki. Interestingly they only had Template:Citation. I actually think this is the easiest and best approach for wikis that don't have a template ecosystem in place already, which is to import the most recent version of Template:Citation and then enable citoid using only the single template.