@Jdlrobson It's still there.

Discussion about the new video player change in Vietnamese Wikipedia's village pump here.

@MMiller_WMF I'm sorry for the late reply, it's all because of the Slack's notification...

@mxn Thanks, it seems that it's back to normal now even if I turn AVIM on! I'll mark this task as resolved.

Hi @Aklapper, as I mentioned, it's still working fine with the old Vector.

• Steps to reproduce:
  • (1) switch on the new Vector;
  • (2) turn on the Vietnamese input called AVIM that the Vietnamese Wikipedia has (on the right side bar, see picture below), you can tick on either Telex or VNI (or auto), both have the error. To turn AVIM on, you have to activate it on Preferences/Gadgets and tick on the AVIM box and the box right below it.
  • (3) type something but with tones (like "thần tượng" instead of "than tuong"). It can be quite difficult to type like this, please take a quick look at this wikihow page to grasp the idea.
    
• Expected outcome: when you type "thần tượng" in the search bar, the words should appear to be "thần tượng" whether we have articles for it or not
• Actual outcome: the word got auto-corrected: to "thần tượ" instead of "thần tượng", or "ngoại bât" instead of "ngoại bất" (notice that the tone is gone)

In T273092#7050841, @PPham wrote:

Hi,

I've been doing it for quite long but it still hasn't ended yet, but I think I'll just post a comment here:

• Lots of repeated matches, which is the same article and the same images. Out of 10 matches recommended, there is probably 1 repeated match (yes, it's that high). And of course it's not because I click unsure. I definitely click good/bad, but it still shows up again.
• Sometimes the date articles still show up. I didn't take screenshots of those though.
• The matches with highest correct rate is fauna and flora articles, I think because their scientific name is unique and so the algorithm can match them easily. Next is location article, also because of the locations name. Other than that, I don't think the rate is too high.

And so I really want to know how many are left with the Vietnamese language...

I've been doing it for quite long but it still hasn't ended yet, but I think I'll just post a comment here:

• Lots of repeated matches, which is the same article and the same images. Out of 10 matches recommended, there is probably 1 repeated match (yes, it's that high). And of course it's not because I click unsure. I definitely click good/bad, but it still shows up again.
• Sometimes the date articles still show up. I didn't take screenshots of those though.
• The matches with highest correct rate is fauna and flora articles, I think because their scientific name is unique and so the algorithm can match them easily. Next is location article, also because of the locations name. Other than that, I don't think the rate is too high.

I just finished the evaluation round 2, and the result is: 131/180 (~72.7%).

So after taking a look at the configuration page, I think some places are quite unclear:

• "Post questions on top of help panel?": This should be "help desk", right?
• "View more link displayed in help desk": And this should be "help panel"?
• "Search the following namespaces": this is not clear enough, it should be something like "search the help pages in the following namespaces"
• "Page title of list of manually assigned mentors": This one is currently blank in my language but I'm not sure what it means by "manually".

Hi, in Viwiki:

• 36 mentors (in the last mentor audit on Oct 2020 there were only 12), this is due to a member sending mass-messages inviting all the experienced editors to become a mentor. This is good news, since we just moved all the questions from the help desk to the mentors' talk page, this means all the questions will not flood into a small numbers of mentors and make them uncomfortable.
• There is two mentor left and one is crossed out (due to being temporarily banned), I'm asking this person if he wants to be a mentor again now that his ban is already lifted.

Done. Correct recommendation is only 71/142 which is exactly at 50%.

Hi, Vietnamese Wikipedia just had a situation where a mentor (also an admin and bureaucrat) was voted to have the adminship removed because he created thousands of articles badly translated using the Content Translation tool. After that, he's also banned for 43 days.

I've relayed the message here and pinged all the mentors.

Suggestions from Vietnamese Wikipedia's mentors:

Community discussion for Vietnamese wiki: https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Th%E1%BA%A3o_lu%E1%BA%ADn#L%E1%BA%A5y_%C3%BD_ki%E1%BA%BFn_c%E1%BB%99ng_%C4%91%E1%BB%93ng_v%E1%BB%81_c%C3%B4ng_c%E1%BB%A5_m%E1%BB%9Bi

Hi, regarding the Mediawiki page of the Growth Team, I have a few ideas:

Notes for text-based:

• The rate of accuracy is much lower in text-based than in link-based.
• Species articles appear everywhere: to the extend that "politics and government" is 1/10 because the other 9 are species articles.
• We still have disambiguation pages, I score them all 0.

So sorry I'm this late.
Here are some comments for the link-based:

• Some flora/fauna are listed in the geography topics, perhaps because in other languages they are said to be endemic to that place, but you cannot deduce it from the articles in Vietnamese, so 0 point.
• STEM topic is all flora/fauna. Still okay I guess, but if I'm an user I would expect other kinds of articles and more diversity.
• Disambiguation pages still show up.

Hi, so in viwiki:

This time it's easier and at the same time harder to evaluate. Below are some notable aspects I noticed:

@MMiller_WMF -- it's fixed now, thanks!

@Aklapper Hi, sorry for using WMF account on this personal matter. I'm Bluetpp. Here are the two diffs that I got pinged but wasn't notified:

• Diff 1
• Diff 2

Some general comments after finishing the evaluation:
Most of the suggestions are on animals/flowers, astronomical bodies, biographies and geographical locations in my case:

• Animals/flowers: Mostly wrong suggestions as it suggests image of species in the same genus or family but they are different species.
• Astronomical bodies: This is hard to evaluate since my knowledge about this subject is narrow, but in my impression none in this group is a "2".
• Biographies: Has a high rate of correct suggestion, perhaps because you can just match the name of the article with file's name
• Geographical locations: has the highest rate of correct suggestion, same reason with biographies maybe.

@RHo hi, as I just checked the bug is still here. I try it in 2 browsers:

• Google Chrome: latest, Version 83.0.4103.116 (Official Build) (64-bit)
• Cốc cốc - it's a local browser in Vietnam: lastest, Version 86.0.172 (Official Build) (32 bit)

Viwiki, discussion thread posted

• In the village pump
• In the project page
• In mentor list's talk page (I've already tagged all the mentors in viwiki, hope we'll have an answer soon).

Here's the link to the video: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Suggested_edits_module.webm
Please add subtitles to it, thank you!

Viwiki, no mentor removed. One mentor didn't actively respond to newcomer's questions, but I want to give him more time. I'll consider removing him next month if no response was shown.

How many questions come from the help panel to your help desk per day/week?
Yesterday viwiki had 3 questions, and this week we had 12 questions from the help panel. While this whole week we only had 1 question not from the help panel.
In March 2020 we had 42 questions.

In T245368#5928116, @Isaac wrote:

Hopping in here because this is some really fantastic feedback on the taxonomy!

Culture.Linguistics contains many articles that are disambiguations of names, like this one. Perhaps we should handle disambiguation pages differently, or exclude them from the results we give to newcomers.

The Culture.Linguistics connections to names is because of WikiProject Anthroponymy (yaml). Many of those name pages aren't actually disambiguation pages in English -- e.g., the Robert example. I prefer the route of filtering out disambiguation pages after the fact and leaving Anthroponymy in because it legitimately does belong in Linguistics. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise though. Interestingly too, many of the pages it covers are actually redirects in English -- e.g., the page Churchill, which redirects to Winston Churchill.

I'm done on my part.

@Halfak Also in "Culture.Linguistics" which is supposed to be "About languages, grammar, dialects", there are many results of disambiguations of names. I don't think I'd want disambiguations of names if I selected Linguistics, or any disambiguations at all. What do you think?

Okay here are my comments about the algorithm:

• As @Dyolf77_WMF has mentioned, the suggestion is made not for the first word to appear. But I still marked it done with acceptable word.
• Many important and specific words are not linked, but the algorithm instead chooses to link very general words that have no reason to be linked.
• Break words when linking, sometimes they leaves out the words that exist in the article name too ("bệnh ung thư vú", but link only "bệnh ung thư" while we have the article "bệnh ung thư vú"), sometimes it combines and links word in a wrong way ("thỏa mãn tính tò mò" (satisfy (thỏa mãn) the curiousity (tính tò mò), the algorithm combine "mãn" and "tính" (yeah, "mãn tính" has a meaning too) and link it, even though each of the words belong to other words).
• Link to the wrong article: the phrase and the article are about two entirely difference matters.

In T245330#5887520, @DED wrote:

@PPham Thanks for the feedback! I am separating words that are formatted or in quotes because I took it that the added style is meant to highlight (or single out) the word. This is more of a rule that I apply to all languages.
More articles will come. Thanks again.

Vietnamese is finished.

@MMiller_WMF It's okay now, please help me move them. Sorry for being this late...

After sending out mass-messages asking experienced editors to become new mentors as @Trizek-WMF and I have agreed to do, we have 2 more editors registering to be mentors. So now Vietnamese community have a total of 7 active mentors.

In T242400#5803274, @Tgr wrote:

Probably the easiest way is if ambassadors copy the page into their personal namespace (User:XXX/NewcomerTopics.json) and make changes there, and then either us or one of the administrators of the wiki can copy the new content back to the real page. That's less error prone than people unfamiliar with the script and RTL browser behavior trying to copy over text from tables.

(Relatedly, this is something I've been meaning to do but never gotten around it, so let's have a task to keep track of it: T242789: When using the local configuration loader for newcomer tasks, edits that bring the configuration page to an invalid state should be prevented)

Vietnamese Wikipedia:

• Both desktop and mobile version are still missing some translations. Also I have some translations I want to change, can I?
• The result articles are off-topic by half. I'm working on my seed article list again, please wait...
• I have just realized that some times along the way the Vietnamese seed article list have become incorrect: In the Json list, the Science tab has now been labeled "Địa lý" (Geography) with Geography's seed articles. So now (1) there's no science label and science seed articles; (2) there's no geography tab.

Picked art again and here are the result:

• Tượng sống: Living statue, good
• Nghệ thuật Hy Lạp cổ: Ancient Greek art, good
• Bố cục tạo hình: err, don't know the English word but it's art-related, good
• Kiến trúc Tân cổ điển: Neoclassical architecture, good
• Nghệ thuật Gothic: Gothic art, good
• Hoàng Hải (nghệ sĩ cải lương): Hải is a singer but of a Vietnamese modern folk opera genre, so I think this one's half good? Still art-related if you consider singing is art ("art" in Vietnamese is "nghệ thuật", which does include singing, but in my personal impression "art" itself in English doesn't...)
• Amanda Strydom: a singer too
• Chủ nghĩa biểu hiện: expressionism, good
• Du lịch Paris: Tourism in Paris, off-topic
• Doraemon (hoạt hình): it's... an anime, can you call it art? Half good.

Selected arts and got the following:

Hi Marshall,

I'm finished!

Vietnamese: done!

I'm done. The funny thing is I can't think of any phrases or words that should be linked but isn't. I guess it's because those articles are too short, there's not enough option. And somehow out of the 5 articles of Vietnamese, the Algorithm (or somebody) picked one having only 1 sentence...

It's the same in the desktop version now...

@MMiller_WMF Sorry Marshall but that is the only way if you want to include the "by reader". The "4 visits (last 60 days)" would be "4 lượt ghé thăm (60 ngày qua)" which is a little bit shorter compared to "4 lượt xem bởi người đọc (60 ngày qua)". I think that using visits would be fine too.

I've finished my part for viwiki. Nothing's incorrect.

@MMiller_WMF: After taking a look at several articles having that template, I'm not sure it's suitable for newcomer. This template is too general: articles that

• have non-wiki structure/format (like here, or this over-quoted one);
• are poorly written or translated that makes no sense (like here or here);
• use bullet point just too much even though it perhaps should be written like a prose (like here or here);
• have sections that are too long or too short (like here or here);
• according to me are rather fine but somehow has the template on them (like here or here, only that this one is a stub)

@MMiller_WMF @Trizek-WMF I've finished the maintenance template list. Please check it out and tell me if there're any templates that you want to be in the list :D

I've done on my part.

@Trizek-WMF um no, it seems there're still templates that I haven't listed yet. But I guess I'm more than half done :D

@MMiller_WMF, we are also blocked by the editor itself. conserning inserting languages, several languages go with wikimarkup first. Other go with visual editing first. A third group provides both options. Non of them provide an overview of all possibilities (including the fact that yu need to add the image to Commons first -- with copyright issues), with a simple tutorial.

@MMiller_WMF Can you somehow give us an example of the Copyediting one in English Wikipedia?

Done:

Regarding the link for creating a new article, here is the one on the help panel: Help:Editing, but this one focuses solely on guiding how to edit in general. If you specifically need a link for creating articles, here it is: Help:Your first article.

Done for now.