@Amire80 In this document is "Tatarşa" written: https://de.scribd.com/doc/186394624/Crimean-Tatar-Language-Micro-Scythian-Crimean-Tatar-Alphabet

I withdraw my request

In T354135#9513663, @Amire80 wrote:

In T354135#9512155, @TayfunEt wrote:

Here in the picture you can see Dobrujan Tatar learning books: https://stiribrailene.net/2022/01/05/uniunea-democrata-a-tatarilor-turco-musulmani-a-reeditat-manuale-de-limba-tatara-pentru-clasele-i-iii-acestea-vor-fi-gratuite/

That's the front cover in all uppercase. Do you have a place where it appears in a context with lowercase letters?

In T354135#9512008, @Amire80 wrote:

In T354135#9512006, @TayfunEt wrote:

In T354135#9511930, @Amire80 wrote:

In T354135#9503769, @TayfunEt wrote:

In T354135#9503689, @Amire80 wrote:

OK, these look like good examples, but then why not change it to "Tatarğa"? Are there several orthography systems? Which one is used in the MediaWiki localization?

"Tatarğa" [tatardja] is the Oghuz influenced name (he did mostly write in Oghuz dialect), "Tatarşa" [tatarsha] is the Kipchak version, standard and authentic name.

How can anyone know that it's standard and authentic, other than this Phabricator comment? Where is it actually used, with a capital T and a ş?

Here is this book: https://issuu.com/kirim-tatar-kitaplari/docs/the_sounds_of_tatar_spoken_in_romania

There is explained what is academic and authentic, for nutshell you can look in page 16-17.

But this book says "Tatarğa" everywhere and not "Tatarşa".

In T354135#9511930, @Amire80 wrote:

In T354135#9503769, @TayfunEt wrote:

In T354135#9503689, @Amire80 wrote:

OK, these look like good examples, but then why not change it to "Tatarğa"? Are there several orthography systems? Which one is used in the MediaWiki localization?

"Tatarğa" [tatardja] is the Oghuz influenced name (he did mostly write in Oghuz dialect), "Tatarşa" [tatarsha] is the Kipchak version, standard and authentic name.

How can anyone know that it's standard and authentic, other than this Phabricator comment? Where is it actually used, with a capital T and a ş?

In T354135#9503689, @Amire80 wrote:

OK, these look like good examples, but then why not change it to "Tatarğa"? Are there several orthography systems? Which one is used in the MediaWiki localization?

In T354135#9499796, @Amire80 wrote:

In T354135#9499614, @TayfunEt wrote:

However I prefer that the word "Tatarşa" needs to be written in uppercase, like in Turkish "Türkçe".

But why do you prefer it? It's supposed to be based on usage by people who write in the language and on one person's preference.

In T354135#9498696, @Amire80 wrote:

Does it always have to be written with a capital letter? In English, names of languages are always written with a capital letter, but it's not the rule in all the languages. In this dictionary, for example, I see that it's usually written "tatarşa" in Tatar texts.

I think I will close this task now, we need to wait the sring, for the language codes results. After then we can look, what needs to be changed.

In T348908#9431335, @Amire80 wrote:

In T348908#9431327, @TayfunEt wrote:

In T348908#9431321, @Amire80 wrote:

In T348908#9428008, @TayfunEt wrote:

In T348908#9427965, @Winston_Sung wrote:

So, which script is more common-used? The Arabic script or the Latin script?

Actually Arabic script

Citation needed.

Here are some books:
https://issuu.com/kirim-tatar-kitaplari/docs/9781491236192

https://issuu.com/kirim-tatar-kitaplari/docs/mc_arabic_online

https://issuu.com/kirim-tatar-kitaplari/docs/tan_yildizi_online

These books are long. Which page says that it's the most common script?

Haven't you said earlier that it's usually Latin?

In T348908#9431321, @Amire80 wrote:

In T348908#9428008, @TayfunEt wrote:

In T348908#9427965, @Winston_Sung wrote:

So, which script is more common-used? The Arabic script or the Latin script?

Actually Arabic script

Citation needed.

In T354135#9428728, @Aklapper wrote:

"Rename the native name of "crh-ro"" .... to?

See also https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T348908, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T346595, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T354130

See also: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T346595, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T348908

In T348908#9427965, @Winston_Sung wrote:

So, which script is more common-used? The Arabic script or the Latin script?

@Winston_Sung Can you maybe help us?

In T348908#9425880, @Mbch331 wrote:

In T348908#9425706, @TayfunEt wrote:

In T348908#9307157, @Nikki wrote:

I don't think we should use a non-standard order for the parts. We've been trying to replace non-standard language codes with ones which follow BCP 47, so it doesn't make sense to introduce new non-standard ones.

What is your suggestion? Because I do not have knowledge with this and I just requested to add aslo the Arabic script for Dobrujan Tatar.

I think it would be crh-arab-ro (conform BCP 47)

In T348908#9307157, @Nikki wrote:

I don't think we should use a non-standard order for the parts. We've been trying to replace non-standard language codes with ones which follow BCP 47, so it doesn't make sense to introduce new non-standard ones.

I did declined because I do not have knowledge to add the code, but I did reopen it, maybe someone who has knowledge adds the code.

@Aklapper I can't do it. So, I propose that someone who has knowledge in this does it. By the way, there are sources by Erich Prokosch, he did write book about the language and did use the term "Dobrudschatatarisch". And also grammatically "Krimtatarisch (Rumänisch)" is wrong, the translation means "Crimean Tatar (Romanian)".

This request is invalid, because the alphabet of Dobrujan Tatar has very different letters, which are not represented directly in Crimean Tatar alphabet, also the letter Ğ ğ has in Dobrujan Tatar different sound ("dj") but in Crimean Tatar it represents ("gh"), this will be problematic too.

We have now two requests, to add names about crh-ro. But I do not have knowledge to do this in gerrit...

@Winston_Sung Can you help us?

This is commonly used, also in Wikipedia. Here is a source https://www.academia.edu/12104352/Romanian_Tatar_language_communication_in_the_multicultural_space (page 11), here are two terms used, Romanian Tatar and Dobrujan Tatar. But there are actually many sources were you can see "Dobrujan Tatar" or similar names.

In T346595#9175088, @Aklapper wrote:

From the code of MediaWiki:

./includes/languages/data/Names.php:		'crh-ro' => 'tatarşa', # Crimean Tatar (Romania)
./languages/messages/MessagesCrh_ro.php:/** Crimean Tatar (Romania) (tatarşa)

Here for example https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Portal:Crh-RO or https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Portal:Crh, only the native label is shown.

For example in the language Portal in translatewiki.net.

@Winston_Sung I have actually no knowledge in converter creation, but I collect something together: https://crh.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qullan%C4%B1c%C4%B1:Zolgoyo/Translit

In T326864#8921782, @Winston_Sung wrote:

I'm not familiar with Crimean Tatar, so you might asked the wrong person.

@Winston_Sung Is there a collection of the loan words found in Crimean Tatar or similar?

@Amire80 Do you have an opinion on this subject?