Thanks, @Stang

In T306535#7876802, @Urbanecm_WMF wrote:

Hello @ValeJappo, fyi, I just deployed the fix to itwiki. Within a couple of hours (max. 3 hours), your mentor dashboard should update again (as well as everyone else's). Please do not hesitate to let us know if it doesn't work for any reason.

Renewing the request as it should now be possible, as WikiWho has been transferred on Wikimedia servers

In T294464#7467857, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

Thank you Martin.

A quick note, @ValeJappo: it is up to the team to define priorities. :)

Thank you @Urbanecm_WMF, @Trizek-WMF

In T255037#7455688, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

I know, but the template is used by multiple wikis. Which doesn't make it a "must have": it is up to it.wp. :)

@Trizek-WMF there should be a misunderstanding, as this doesn't make sense to me.

In T255037#7450615, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

Speciale:PagineSenzaUscita is based on cache, and not really the best way to know about dead-end pages.

I know, we should probably consider to create a bot to do it more efficiently.

@Etonkovidova there are no links tasks available because there isn't any article without links

In T255037#7446187, @Urbanecm_WMF wrote:

Hey @Trizek-WMF @ValeJappo, I just enabled Growth features for 80% of newcomers on Italian Wikipedia, per the due date set above. Enjoy!

@Trizek-WMF thank you! I fixed my announcement taking this in consideration.

In T255037#7445871, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

It is supposed to happen tomorrow. :)

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:UltimeModifiche?hidebots=1&hidecategorization=1&hideWikibase=1&tagfilter=newcomer+task&limit=50&days=7&urlversion=2 returns an empty result.

It appears that they have been enabled. Reporting this to the community, thank you!

@Trizek-WMF are you oging to write a message at the village pump tomorrow, or do I have to prepare one?

In T255037#7437156, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

I think it is time to proceeded. @ValeJappo, what do you think about providing the features to 80% of newcomers, starting on Wednesday afternoon (Europe time)?

In T293262#7430335, @Etonkovidova wrote:

The issue is present when Help panel is not activated. T284088: Merge preference "Enable the editor help panel" with "Display the newcomer homepage" together should address it.

There is a small issue with a dialog's height; what is concerning is that it is only happening on itwiki (at least, not on frwiki or testwiki), see T293262

In T255037#7423973, @ValeJappo wrote:

Hi, thank you.

While checking if everything were ok, I noticed that the panel to ask questions to my mentor is not visible, is this normal?

In T255037#7423929, @Urbanecm_WMF wrote:

@Trizek-WMF @ValeJappo Growth features are now available at Italian Wikipedia in the dark mode. I did not blindly copy the config files from testwiki; instead, I generated default configuration for itwiki using Wikidata. You can view (and if you're an admin, change) the configuration at https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:EditGrowthConfig.

In T255037#7416315, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

@ValeJappo, what would be the next step of the conversation? No one commented since a few days.

@Trizek-WMF great, I'll update you, then!

@Trizek-WMF Thank you.

Hi @Trizek-WMF!

thank you for starting this new conversation. It seems to be promising. :)

First of all, thank you! :)
Yes, the conversation is really seeming promising: I started working on the last translations and I prepared two configuration files that reflect our community needs; I also created a page that should contain the "manual" mentors' list. After when this task was started, you added several new special pages (such as the mentor dashboard): do I need to provide you with some aliases?

Thank you

@Whatamidoing-WMF

You don't want automatic resolution if your comment will seem redundant to people who read the conversation later.

I totally agree.

New diwcussion opened at https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/Ora_abbiamo_bisogno_delle_funzionalità_del_Growth_Team

In T290176#7326064, @matmarex wrote:

Looks like only the placeholder text doesn't match your preference – when you start typing, you'll see the expected font. Can you confirm it works the same for you?

I'm using this tool for a while, and I find very annoying noticing edit conflicts just after when the edit has been published.

In T255037#7128049, @MMiller_WMF wrote:

@ValeJappo -- wow, thank you for showing this bot! The idea of warning newcomers about when they make an error is something I've talked about with the product manager of the Editing team, @ppelberg. Your bot sends a talk page message after the user completes the edit. Do you think (hypothetically) that it would be better for the newcomer if they could be warned before saving the edit? This is the idea we've been talking about.

In T255037#7126766, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

Thank you for the update!

Do you have a page about your bot (even in Italian)? I'm curious about it. :)

In T255037#7126227, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

Hello!

Any updates on your side?

For your information, English Wikipedia has agreed to start a trial time. 2% of newcomers will have access to the Growth team tools. Volunteer mentors will take care of these newcomers. The goal is to check if the features are fitting existing workflows and procedures. Maybe a similar trial would interest Italian Wikipedia? Let me know!

In T279483#7064451, @ppelberg wrote:

@ValeJappo + @Tacsipacsi: we appreciate you adding nuance here.

Below is how the team is currently thinking about the prospect of surfacing the grammatical gender a person has explicitly set in Special:Preferences in the Reply Tool's helper text [I]
...

This is great, let me just point out, in response to the first consideration, that in many languages there are no ways to use gender-neutral language; an example could be Italian.

In T279483#7055302, @Tacsipacsi wrote:

If you use the wording proposed in the description, Reply to {{GENDER:X|user}} X, the gender won’t become more visible in English (and in other languages that decide not to actually use the gender), it’s just a hint for people translating into languages that do use it. By the way, I often need this information in English, when I want to mention someone in third person (she/he/they), although the “Reply to…” message is probably not the best place to get it from.

Hi @Trizek-WMF, if I understood it right, you asked some people for help: thank you! Now there are two other people helping me translating the documentation, so I belive we could be able to open a discussion soon!

In T255037#6868943, @gerritbot wrote:

Change 667534 had a related patch set uploaded (by Urbanecm; owner: Urbanecm):
[mediawiki/extensions/GrowthExperiments@master] Translate special pages to Italian

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/667534

In T255037#6840844, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

Thank you for the reply.

The features work for all editors. However, we privilege the visual editor, since it now stable, and also much easier for newbies who don't need to learn the wiki code. Learning wikicode adds a difficulty to edit; if shouldn't be forgotten that newcomers will have to deal with it later in their journey. If the visual editor creates major bugs on the Italian Wikipedia we are not aware of, let me know. Can you tell me who wrote these two comments?

Concerning edits suggested to newcomer son the homepage, I'm really surprised to read this feedback. The features are completely aligned with the editing dynamics: you select a page you want to edit and then you edit it. We are just helping newcomers to find things to do, and we offer some guidance so that they can understand what's going on, and what to achieve. And the make real edits that have impact.

Regarding mentorship, it is better to have someone ready to reply to your questions than being alone struggling when you start editing. Having mentors ready to help will definitely help more editors than have no mentor. :)

In T255037#6839088, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

Thank you for the update.

Where is the conversation happening? I would need
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But again, this is a reply written based on the sentence you shared, with no context. :)

In T255037#6837936, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

Ciao @ValeJappo, what are the news?

In T255037#6755398, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

This question is not in the survey anymore. Where have you found this image?

On the tool's documentation

We have removed the question, since almost everyone wanted to have a mentor.

The current version looks like this:

Thank you

Hi @Trizek-WMF, another question: those features will be enabled for all newcomers, some random newcomers or to newcomers that would check "Yes, I am interested" on the welcome survey?

In T255037#6740863, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

Ciao @ValeJappo, anything new? Let me know if I can help you!

Ah, just to be clear, we have to wait some more weeks (/moths?) before receiving the ok to deploy the features

In T255037#6722970, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

I checked the number of articles being available for each suggested edit task. Add links used the template "Voci senza uscita", which only returns 32 articles (as of now). Do you know another template that would fit the "Add links" task, to have more articles listed?

@Trizek-WMF
Hi, a list of all articles without wikilinks is Speciale:PagineSenzaUscita. Template W is often used in those cases, but it indicates all articles that need to be formatted according to standards, so not just links.

I also noticed that there are two translatwìewiki items for this translation: MediaWiki:Tool-link-contributions/it and MediaWiki:Contributions/it

I am not sure about that, but since the translation has been created on the 14th of December 2020, we have just to wait until monday

Alright, thank you @ifried

@Trizek-WMF Hi, before proposing these tools to the community, I'll need some extra information:
you are going to deploy
*Help panel
*Newcomers homepage
*Welcome survey
right?

In T255037#6669107, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

Hello!

We have something useful for you. We ran an analysis of how our tools impact the wikis. [...]

Hello,
I did some tests in https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:ValeJappo/Sandbox#style

@Trizek-WMF please see your mediawiki talk page; since I'm starting re-working on the deploy of this project, could you say me what changed from this summer? Thanks

In T255037#6512664, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

Thank you @ValeJappo. I will let you know about the next moves. Also, please tell me if Italian Wikipedia want to know more about the features or decide to get them.

@Trizek-WMF hi, unfortunately I see that nothing changed since I left the project. Maybe I could continue helping with the deploy of this feature, I'll let let you know.