I really cannot imagine a reason why anyone would want to post that (i.e., unescaped) on wiki in the first place. It's the kind of thing on enwiki that would get reverted as a "test edit" without anyone thinking twice.

Could the original just be another case of "you can't copy wikitext templates when you're reading an HTML page", and therefore a case of T54091?

In T210871#5788274, @Xaosflux wrote:

Notably the behavior is different (and much worse) on VE then source editor.

I'd be satisfied by these outcomes. Just reducing the unnecessary e-mail would help me.

In T230683#5549340, @Izno wrote:

The community will categorically reject the {} and >>> <<< forms in the context of talk pages unless you can guarantee (you can't) that's what will end up in the final wikitext somehow.

This doesn't happen if you edit just a section.

It's the only ref in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_chemical_sensitivity#Symptoms but the stray character showed only while I was editing it.

Yes. I accidentally reproduced this with the shortcut for opening the "Publish changes" dialog box. Open a page on enwiki, press Command–Option–Shift–S three times (twice, if you don't have the "remind me to add an edit summary" pref setting), and then see what you get.

In https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:V44qataycfqhplti User:MarMi_wiki says that this will be fixed when Firefox v72 is released.

More precisely, having == Welcome == visible in the preview is the correct preview of the wrong wikitext.

Is there a use case for (intentionally) replying to any comment with a ==Level 2 section heading==?

This was requested again at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Vcflv3wnvk90yycr by @Guarapiranga. I think that this or similar requests appear a couple of times each year.

Given that these magic links were removed a couple of years ago, it doesn't seem like there's still a need to nowiki ISBNs and such, right? So could we just have plain text, please?

More activity on talk pages is not necessarily bad. This is a good exchange:

We could check the number of unreverted and non-reverting (non-bot?) edits to non-talk pages. We hope those would be stable or increase. (That is, fewer good-faith bad edits made, because it was easier to ask on the talk page than to screw up the article, and fewer reversions of those edits, because they weren't made in the first place.)

Maybe we should consider marking fostered content such that it is uneditable?

I'm talking to a couple of editors at the French and Hungarian Wikipedias. They are going to take my request to their communities, so we are in a wait-and-see mode for those two wikis. I really hope that both of them will be interested.

Cancelling out of task mid-edit

@John_Broughton, the StackExchange link makes me wonder whether we should be thinking of these as modal dialogs (something intended to interrupt the primary workflow [which is probably "typing text into the body of an article"] and requiring some action before you can get back to the primary workflow). Maybe editors would find it better to have a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palette_window instead.

@Krinkle, is it possible to make deprecation "noisy"? Even when script owners are personally informed about upcoming changes with messages on their primary user talk pages, or messages are posted in their native language to the official page for that wiki's gadgets, scripts don't always get fixed until they break. So instead of trusting the deprecation notices from the web browser, could we have a little box, similar to the "Your edit was published" toast, that says "You're running a script that will break soon"?

1. The things I really care about are already present.

That last diff (Roman Sondermajer) looks like a different "problem", namely that the editor manually created a basic citation. There's no template substing going on in any of these (see this edit to find out what happens when you subst a CS1 template), but the 4 October 2019 example doesn't look like a software problem at all.

Yes! It's fixed for me!

Are you trying to do something like what @Reedy did with AWB in T111663: Tag AWB edits? Also, I think ProveIt is on the list at T185382: Add manual tag- messages to Wikimedia Messages for common tools/gadgets.

Notes are here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/tpc2019

I imagine "Citation needed" and "Edit template" won't fit on one line in German

@I_JethroBT: Do you have any recommendations for Japanese?

I think that https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:V6bd8m6687tc4ta9 by User:Pelagic is a similar problem, but it appears to only be in some versions of iOS.

The mobile visual editor has a checkbox for minor edits. The mobile wikitext editor does not. @ppelberg, should the VisualEditor tag be removed from this task, and the description updated to specify that the problem is in the wikitext editor?

This is going to need a help page, the main purpose of which is to explain to local admins how to identify these templates at each local wiki.

Also in a Chrome incognito window while logged in to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WhatamIdoing-test

I can reproduce this, in plain vanilla Chrome Version 75.0.3770.142 (Official Build) (64-bit) in my staff account, and in Firefox Quantum 67.0.4 (64-bit) in my volunteer account, but not in Safari.

Posted at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk_pages_consultation_2019/Phase_2_report

{{done}}

Ilana, I'll ping the participants. We should ping everyone, not just the supporters.

• Show me how you work! (Just let me look over your shoulder while you do whatever you would normally do.)
• Please try out the Edit Cards and Toolbar Refresh on mobile visual editor.
• Please try out the visual editor. Lots of experienced editors haven't looked at it since 2013 or 2014, and are just amazed at its abilities. Suggest that they try deleting a column in a large wiki table. :-)

With thanks to @Trizek-WMF for doing the delivery work.

See also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Structured_profiles

My account at nlwiki was created on 15 July 2013.

It sounds like we should be talking to @Catrope about this.

I don't expect to make any progress on this any time soon. However, if anyone wants to do this and has questions, please feel free to leave a message for me at http://mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Whatamidoing_(WMF)

Saving dozens of tabs and restarting Safari seems to have solved the problem. Or perhaps it went away for unrelated reasons.

Thanks

First pass completed on Thursday morning.

I think we're done with this stage of this project.