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Recent Activity

Sat, Mar 23

alexhollender triaged T171701: Use better site navigation on large screens for Minerva as Normal priority.
Sat, Mar 23, 3:09 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), Design (RW-Design-Debt), MinervaNeue (Desktop)
alexhollender added a comment to T218960: Bug: Talk overlay renders for talk sections that do not exist.

@Jdlrobson how would someone find such a page?

Sat, Mar 23, 3:08 PM · MobileFrontend (MobileFrontend and MinervaNeue architecture), Readers-Web-Backlog (Design)
alexhollender moved T166650: The heading of a table should be fixed at the top, as long as the user scrolls the table from Needs analysis to Queue on the Readers-Web-Backlog (Design) board.
Sat, Mar 23, 3:07 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), MobileFrontend
alexhollender triaged T166650: The heading of a table should be fixed at the top, as long as the user scrolls the table as Normal priority.
Sat, Mar 23, 3:06 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), MobileFrontend
alexhollender triaged T212732: Make a 'jump to bottom' button as Low priority.

Advanced Mobile Contributions solves the history and talk use cases. I wonder if we should consider adding "View categories" as a link in the AMC page actions toolbar overflow menu (T216418) @Jdlrobson @ovasileva?

Sat, Mar 23, 3:05 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), MobileFrontend, Mobile
alexhollender triaged T214432: It should be possible to get from user talk/uploads page to the user page as Normal priority.

Clarification:

Sat, Mar 23, 3:02 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design)
alexhollender moved T215426: Consider changing mobile site header height (and overlay header height) from 3.35em (53.6px) to 3em (48px) from Needs analysis to Queue on the Readers-Web-Backlog (Design) board.
Sat, Mar 23, 2:34 PM · Editing Design , Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), Patch-For-Review, MobileFrontend, MinervaNeue
alexhollender moved T216789: Browser's native "Find in page" function does include text in sections default from Needs analysis to Queue on the Readers-Web-Backlog (Design) board.
Sat, Mar 23, 2:34 PM · MinervaNeue, Readers-Web-Backlog (Design)
alexhollender added a comment to T217805: [Bug] Expanded sections not persisted when window is initially large.

I followed the replication steps in T217805#5010345 but I'm not clear on what the issue is / what to be looking for. After clicking "back" I landed at the top of the article, not the section I was at when I left the article.

Sat, Mar 23, 2:34 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), MobileFrontend
alexhollender moved T217805: [Bug] Expanded sections not persisted when window is initially large from Needs analysis to Queue on the Readers-Web-Backlog (Design) board.
Sat, Mar 23, 2:25 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), MobileFrontend
alexhollender moved T218208: Investigate redlink behavior (web & mobile) from Needs analysis to Queue on the Readers-Web-Backlog (Design) board.
Sat, Mar 23, 2:25 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design)
alexhollender moved T218428: Mobile diff is not clear about move direction from Needs analysis to Queue on the Readers-Web-Backlog (Design) board.
Sat, Mar 23, 2:24 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), MinervaNeue, MobileFrontend, Mobile, MediaWiki-History-and-Diffs
alexhollender triaged T218428: Mobile diff is not clear about move direction as Normal priority.
Sat, Mar 23, 2:24 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), MinervaNeue, MobileFrontend, Mobile, MediaWiki-History-and-Diffs
alexhollender updated subscribers of T218454: Mobile form for forced password change (due to new password requirements) has no label for the "Retype password" field.

FYI @MMiller_WMF

Sat, Mar 23, 2:20 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog, MobileFrontend
alexhollender triaged T217616: Ordered lists per default receive `decimal` list style type, which causes issues in non-arabic numeral scripts as Normal priority.
Sat, Mar 23, 2:19 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog, Patch-For-Review, UI-Standardization, UI-Standardization-Kanban, Regression, I18n, MinervaNeue

Fri, Mar 22

alexhollender added a parent task for T219027: [Bug] User page with no history, missing toolbar actions: T213352: AMC: add history link to actions menu.
Fri, Mar 22, 8:35 PM · Advanced Mobile Contributions
alexhollender added a subtask for T213352: AMC: add history link to actions menu: T219027: [Bug] User page with no history, missing toolbar actions.
Fri, Mar 22, 8:35 PM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.23; 2019-03-26), Audiences-QA (RW-Test-Cases), Patch-For-Review, Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3), Advanced Mobile Contributions
alexhollender created T219028: [Bug] AMC toggle takes two taps to turn off/on.
Fri, Mar 22, 7:41 PM · Advanced Mobile Contributions
alexhollender updated the task description for T219027: [Bug] User page with no history, missing toolbar actions.
Fri, Mar 22, 7:36 PM · Advanced Mobile Contributions
alexhollender updated the task description for T219027: [Bug] User page with no history, missing toolbar actions.
Fri, Mar 22, 7:34 PM · Advanced Mobile Contributions
alexhollender created T219027: [Bug] User page with no history, missing toolbar actions.
Fri, Mar 22, 7:24 PM · Advanced Mobile Contributions
alexhollender added a comment to T218414: Editing toolbar on mobile VE is not sticky (can scroll out of view) on iOS.

Related to this topic: it seems like we'd benefit (both on iOS and Android) from moving the "Publish" button in the Talk > Reply UI to the header. For Android users this would mean the button is always visible, and for both iOS and Android it would be a more consistent experience with other Publish/Save actions.

Fri, Mar 22, 4:44 PM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.23; 2019-03-26), Editing QA, Patch-For-Review, VisualEditor (Current work), VisualEditor-MediaWiki, MobileFrontend
alexhollender added a comment to T218415: Behavior of headers in all mobile overlays is inconsistent between iOS and Android (they are not sticky on iOS with keyboard open).

Spoke with @Jdlrobson and now have more context here. As I understand it, on iOS (any browser) fixed elements only scroll away as the result of tapping into a <textarea> element (note this doesn't occur for <input>). Since the inconsistent behavior between Android and iOS is the result of an OS-level difference I don't think it's critical (or realistic) for us to have a consistent experience.

Fri, Mar 22, 3:18 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), MobileFrontend

Thu, Mar 21

alexhollender updated subscribers of T218800: Night mode design for MediaWiki.

@Niharika I've just pinged @Nirzar and @Prtksxna off-thread to comment on the sketch below. I'm also curious about your thoughts. I will aim to collect design feedback and post an update here with an opinionated rationale within the next week.

Thu, Mar 21, 10:24 PM · MediaWiki-Interface, Design, Community-Tech
alexhollender added a comment to T217616: Ordered lists per default receive `decimal` list style type, which causes issues in non-arabic numeral scripts.

Do we agree that we should treat non-Arabic numeral ordered lists equal to Arabic numeral (all Latin scripts to my knowledge) ones?
If we don't set decimal as default, ordered lists fall back to decimal. Which we should override with better treatment for serving our communities (we do this in other skins already).

Thu, Mar 21, 3:49 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog, Patch-For-Review, UI-Standardization, UI-Standardization-Kanban, Regression, I18n, MinervaNeue

Wed, Mar 20

Capt_Swing awarded T218800: Night mode design for MediaWiki a Mountain of Wealth token.
Wed, Mar 20, 4:33 PM · MediaWiki-Interface, Design, Community-Tech

Tue, Mar 19

alexhollender edited projects for T217616: Ordered lists per default receive `decimal` list style type, which causes issues in non-arabic numeral scripts, added: Readers-Web-Backlog; removed Readers-Web-Backlog (Design).
Tue, Mar 19, 8:27 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog, Patch-For-Review, UI-Standardization, UI-Standardization-Kanban, Regression, I18n, MinervaNeue
alexhollender placed T143535: [EPIC] Improve article notes up for grabs.
Tue, Mar 19, 8:27 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), Epic, Design
alexhollender moved T143535: [EPIC] Improve article notes from Designing/discussing right now to Blocked on the Readers-Web-Backlog (Design) board.
Tue, Mar 19, 8:27 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), Epic, Design
alexhollender added a comment to T217616: Ordered lists per default receive `decimal` list style type, which causes issues in non-arabic numeral scripts.

Can somebody clarify the open design questions here?

Tue, Mar 19, 8:21 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog, Patch-For-Review, UI-Standardization, UI-Standardization-Kanban, Regression, I18n, MinervaNeue
alexhollender added a comment to T200969: No way to reach the editable version of a page when viewing the most recent mobile diff.

@Jdlrobson helped me better understand the issue here. Starting with what we do on vector/desktop:

Tue, Mar 19, 7:46 PM · Advanced Mobile Contributions, Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), MobileFrontend
alexhollender placed T150377: Use 'outside' instead of 'Inside' for list-style in Mobile version so that long line bullet list items are more scannable up for grabs.
Tue, Mar 19, 7:20 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog, MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.19; 2019-02-26), Patch-For-Review, Unplanned-Sprint-Work, MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2017-11-07 (1.31.0-wmf.7)), User-Jdlrobson, MinervaNeue, Design, WMF-Design

Mon, Mar 18

alexhollender edited projects for T206354: Menu and notifications drawers should slide over content, added: Readers-Web-Backlog; removed Readers-Web-Backlog (Design).

Ok, all clear here. Moving this out of design.

Mon, Mar 18, 10:30 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog, MobileFrontend
alexhollender added a comment to T218415: Behavior of headers in all mobile overlays is inconsistent between iOS and Android (they are not sticky on iOS with keyboard open).

I've left a comment on T218414 to address desired VE behavior. Regarding all other overlays, I think it's safe to say that the rule should be that the header remains fixed, regardless of the keyboard being open or closed. Perhaps there will be exceptions in the future, but it seems like a sensible starting point to keep them fixed by default.

Mon, Mar 18, 10:28 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), MobileFrontend
alexhollender updated subscribers of T218414: Editing toolbar on mobile VE is not sticky (can scroll out of view) on iOS.

@iamjessklein and I met to discuss this earlier today. There are at least two different headers in the VE experience:

general headertext-tools header

General header - as long as this header always re-appears at the top of the screen upon closing the keyboard (as it currently seems to when in source-editing mode, though not in visual-editing mode), it is not necessarily an issue that it scrolls offscreen while the keyboard is active. There is even a perspective that it's beneficial to the user for it to disappear while the keyboard is open since there is such limited screen space at that time.

Mon, Mar 18, 10:28 PM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.23; 2019-03-26), Editing QA, Patch-For-Review, VisualEditor (Current work), VisualEditor-MediaWiki, MobileFrontend

Thu, Mar 14

alexhollender updated the task description for T218208: Investigate redlink behavior (web & mobile).
Thu, Mar 14, 8:56 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design)
alexhollender added a comment to T18691: RFC: Section headings should have a clickable anchor.

I wanted to share some additional thoughts that came up today.

Thu, Mar 14, 5:00 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), TechCom-RFC, Design, MediaWiki-Interface
alexhollender updated the task description for T214537: [EPIC] AMC Navigation - changes to main menu.
Thu, Mar 14, 3:24 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3)
alexhollender added a comment to T216152: AMC Navigation - add new links to main menu with click tracking.

Thanks for pointing that out @Jony. I assume you're referring to the Move page action? If so, that action would be part of the page actions menu, which you can see in T216418. Currently we are not planning to include the Move page action, however if you think there's a strong case for including it on mobile it'd be great for you to add a comment on that task.

Thu, Mar 14, 1:49 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3), Advanced Mobile Contributions
alexhollender updated the task description for T216418: AMC Navigation - overflow menu.
Thu, Mar 14, 1:44 PM · Epic, Advanced Mobile Contributions

Wed, Mar 13

alexhollender lowered the priority of T211006: Search results on Mobile web don't include a red link to create a new article from High to Normal.
Wed, Mar 13, 4:45 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), Advanced Mobile Contributions, Discovery, Editing-team, MobileFrontend
alexhollender edited projects for T218208: Investigate redlink behavior (web & mobile), added: Readers-Web-Backlog (Design); removed Readers-Web-Backlog.

That makes sense to me. Moving it over.

Wed, Mar 13, 4:21 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design)
alexhollender edited projects for T211006: Search results on Mobile web don't include a red link to create a new article, added: Readers-Web-Backlog; removed Readers-Web-Backlog (Design).

Alright, the two points of feedback I received were about feature parity between the JS and non-JS search results experience. Since they are independent issues I think it makes sense to put them in a separate task. I will note them here for completeness (and so I can reference this when I have time to make the separate task).

Wed, Mar 13, 4:18 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), Advanced Mobile Contributions, Discovery, Editing-team, MobileFrontend
alexhollender added a comment to T217197: Where to put page subtitles e.g. redirect, breadcrumbs.
Wed, Mar 13, 2:06 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog, Advanced Mobile Contributions
alexhollender added a comment to T201339: Cannot access user contributions when following red link to user page on mobile.

Ok. Per @ovasileva's suggestion I've added a design recommendation to this task (which I believe everyone in this discussion is already in support of), and created T218208 to investigate the larger question.

Wed, Mar 13, 1:57 PM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.22; 2019-03-19), Patch-For-Review, Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3), Advanced Mobile Contributions, MobileFrontend
alexhollender created T218208: Investigate redlink behavior (web & mobile).
Wed, Mar 13, 1:55 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design)
alexhollender updated the task description for T201339: Cannot access user contributions when following red link to user page on mobile.
Wed, Mar 13, 1:29 PM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.22; 2019-03-19), Patch-For-Review, Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3), Advanced Mobile Contributions, MobileFrontend
alexhollender updated the task description for T215420: Change delay for appearance of ReferencePreviews to 150ms .
Wed, Mar 13, 1:23 PM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.22; 2019-03-19), WMDE-QWERTY-Sprint-2019-03-06, Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), Patch-For-Review, Page-Previews, Reference Previews, TCB-Team

Tue, Mar 12

alexhollender added a comment to T201339: Cannot access user contributions when following red link to user page on mobile.

@ovasileva to clarify, is the question we'd like to answer (potentially with research):

  • should redlinks lead to the creation/edit mode, or a read mode?
    • should the default behavior differ based on certain factors (e.g. namespace), or can we be entirely consistent?
Tue, Mar 12, 6:51 PM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.22; 2019-03-19), Patch-For-Review, Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3), Advanced Mobile Contributions, MobileFrontend
alexhollender added a comment to T191104: Reword post edit notification to reflect save->publish change on mobile.

Not clear on what the proposed change is?
Current: "Success! Your edit was saved"
Proposed: "Success! Your edit was published"

Tue, Mar 12, 6:30 PM · Verified, VisualEditor (Current work), Readers-Web-Backlog (Tracking), User-D3r1ck01, MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.23; 2019-03-26), Editing Design , VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Mobile, MobileFrontend, WikiEditor, MediaWiki-Page-editing, Mobile

Fri, Mar 8

alexhollender added a comment to T211006: Search results on Mobile web don't include a red link to create a new article.

I've just added some updated designs to the task description. I sent them to the design team for review so will see if I get any notes in the next few days, otherwise I think we can consider this good to go.

Fri, Mar 8, 4:31 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), Advanced Mobile Contributions, Discovery, Editing-team, MobileFrontend
alexhollender updated the task description for T211006: Search results on Mobile web don't include a red link to create a new article.
Fri, Mar 8, 4:30 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), Advanced Mobile Contributions, Discovery, Editing-team, MobileFrontend

Thu, Mar 7

alexhollender updated subscribers of T201339: Cannot access user contributions when following red link to user page on mobile.

I'm not particularly familiar with red links and how we handle them. Although I wonder if it's as simple as: whenever following a red link, unless it's stated in the interface that "You can create page X" (as it is in the screenshot below), that you land on the empty-state version of the page. I imagine there are reasons why sometimes on desktop you'd want to land directly in the editor, but to mitigate possible confusion it seems like the additional step (of landing on the empty state, then having to navigate to the editor) would be worth it no mater what. I at least feel confident enough saying this is true for mobile.

Thu, Mar 7, 10:12 PM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.22; 2019-03-19), Patch-For-Review, Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3), Advanced Mobile Contributions, MobileFrontend
alexhollender updated the task description for T217820: Regression: "Expand all sections" setting in Minerva is broken.
Thu, Mar 7, 6:27 PM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.20; 2019-03-05), Audiences-QA (RW-Test-Cases), Regression, Patch-For-Review, Unplanned-Sprint-Work, Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3)
alexhollender renamed T217820: Regression: "Expand all sections" setting in Minerva is broken from [Bug] Section dropdowns not appearing on Chrome in Minerva when "expand all sections" setting is enabled to [Bug] "Expand all sections" setting in Minerva is broken.
Thu, Mar 7, 6:25 PM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.20; 2019-03-05), Audiences-QA (RW-Test-Cases), Regression, Patch-For-Review, Unplanned-Sprint-Work, Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3)
alexhollender updated the task description for T217820: Regression: "Expand all sections" setting in Minerva is broken.
Thu, Mar 7, 6:22 PM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.20; 2019-03-05), Audiences-QA (RW-Test-Cases), Regression, Patch-For-Review, Unplanned-Sprint-Work, Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3)
alexhollender added a comment to T201339: Cannot access user contributions when following red link to user page on mobile.

From an experience perspective, I think we should aim to have the same behavior as we do when navigating to a red user link from a diff:

diffempty user page
tap on username
Thu, Mar 7, 6:19 PM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.22; 2019-03-19), Patch-For-Review, Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3), Advanced Mobile Contributions, MobileFrontend
alexhollender updated the task description for T201339: Cannot access user contributions when following red link to user page on mobile.
Thu, Mar 7, 6:12 PM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.22; 2019-03-19), Patch-For-Review, Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3), Advanced Mobile Contributions, MobileFrontend
alexhollender updated the task description for T201339: Cannot access user contributions when following red link to user page on mobile.
Thu, Mar 7, 6:11 PM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.22; 2019-03-19), Patch-For-Review, Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3), Advanced Mobile Contributions, MobileFrontend
alexhollender updated the task description for T201339: Cannot access user contributions when following red link to user page on mobile.
Thu, Mar 7, 6:02 PM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.22; 2019-03-19), Patch-For-Review, Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3), Advanced Mobile Contributions, MobileFrontend
alexhollender added a comment to T201339: Cannot access user contributions when following red link to user page on mobile.
Thu, Mar 7, 5:58 PM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.22; 2019-03-19), Patch-For-Review, Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3), Advanced Mobile Contributions, MobileFrontend
alexhollender placed T213352: AMC: add history link to actions menu up for grabs.

Looks good to me. Here is what I'm seeing on staging:

Thu, Mar 7, 5:42 PM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.23; 2019-03-26), Audiences-QA (RW-Test-Cases), Patch-For-Review, Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3), Advanced Mobile Contributions
alexhollender claimed T217842: [Research] Get data on page actions usage.
Thu, Mar 7, 4:29 PM · Advanced Mobile Contributions
alexhollender renamed T217842: [Research] Get data on page actions usage from [Research] Get data on page action usage to [Research] Get data on page actions usage.
Thu, Mar 7, 3:30 PM · Advanced Mobile Contributions
alexhollender created T217842: [Research] Get data on page actions usage.
Thu, Mar 7, 3:30 PM · Advanced Mobile Contributions

Wed, Mar 6

alexhollender updated the task description for T213352: AMC: add history link to actions menu.
Wed, Mar 6, 8:19 PM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.23; 2019-03-26), Audiences-QA (RW-Test-Cases), Patch-For-Review, Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3), Advanced Mobile Contributions
alexhollender moved T213352: AMC: add history link to actions menu from Needs Code Review to Needs Design Review on the Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3) board.
Wed, Mar 6, 6:20 PM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.23; 2019-03-26), Audiences-QA (RW-Test-Cases), Patch-For-Review, Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3), Advanced Mobile Contributions
alexhollender moved T213352: AMC: add history link to actions menu from Needs Design Review to Needs Code Review on the Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3) board.
Wed, Mar 6, 6:20 PM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.23; 2019-03-26), Audiences-QA (RW-Test-Cases), Patch-For-Review, Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3), Advanced Mobile Contributions
alexhollender added a comment to T18691: RFC: Section headings should have a clickable anchor.

I suspect that this will be a bit of cognitive overload for the user, showing them so many different action options.

I agree with this. I prefer the hover -> link icon in gutter approach proposed earlier and used on sites like GitHub: https://github.com/wikimedia/eslint-config-wikimedia#example-configurations

I disagree. I do not believe that the addition of one action, only on '<h2>` elements, (resulting in two actions total for the majority of users) warrants cognitive overload. Furthermore, the expected increase in awareness by showing the link without having to hover, in my opinion, is worth the persistent presence of the action (even if it comes at the cost of causing a slight distraction).

Wed, Mar 6, 3:15 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), TechCom-RFC, Design, MediaWiki-Interface
alexhollender awarded T217737: Improve pointer alignment of reference preview popup a Love token.
Wed, Mar 6, 1:42 PM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.23; 2019-03-26), WMDE-QWERTY-Season-Sprint-2019-03-20, WMDE-QWERTY-Sprint-2019-03-06, Patch-For-Review, Reference Previews
alexhollender updated subscribers of T211006: Search results on Mobile web don't include a red link to create a new article.

I think this task is almost ready to go. The blocking element is the icon "add article" icon, which is not currently in OOUI. I've spoken with @Volker_E and he thinks it would be a good icon to add.

Wed, Mar 6, 1:39 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), Advanced Mobile Contributions, Discovery, Editing-team, MobileFrontend

Tue, Mar 5

alexhollender awarded T204627: Popups: Double pokey on some page preview pop-ups due to SVG mask being larger than thumbnail a Like token.
Tue, Mar 5, 6:27 PM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.23; 2019-03-26), Patch-For-Review, Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3), Audiences-QA, Design, Page-Previews
alexhollender updated subscribers of T217298: Repurpose BetaOptinPanel as a Panel.

@ovasileva FYI this came up during grooming today. Apparently this component would allow us to present the type of contextual AMC hook that we've discussed, such as:

Tue, Mar 5, 5:56 PM · Patch-For-Review, Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3), MobileFrontend (MobileFrontend and MinervaNeue architecture), MinervaNeue
alexhollender updated subscribers of T213352: AMC: add history link to actions menu.

After speaking with @Jdrewniak a bit more, we think the best course of action is to continue using the current toolbar layout for now, which means there will be no jumping icons. With the addition of the history icon AMC users will see:

iOSAndroidAndroid w/ map
Tue, Mar 5, 5:05 PM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.23; 2019-03-26), Audiences-QA (RW-Test-Cases), Patch-For-Review, Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3), Advanced Mobile Contributions
alexhollender added a comment to T217197: Where to put page subtitles e.g. redirect, breadcrumbs.

@Jdlrobson we can leave the font-size as is. Assuming it would be inside this div <div id="bodyContent" class="content"> (?) the right/left margins will be taken care of, so we should just need margin-top:10px. If it isn't inside that div we should just mirror its margin, which is margin: 0 16px;.

Tue, Mar 5, 4:46 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog, Advanced Mobile Contributions
alexhollender added a comment to T18691: RFC: Section headings should have a clickable anchor.

@dbarratt great catch — that was not intentional. I've just updated the left/extreme case mockup.

Tue, Mar 5, 2:14 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), TechCom-RFC, Design, MediaWiki-Interface
alexhollender added a comment to T18691: RFC: Section headings should have a clickable anchor.

Alright, there have been a lot of awesome ideas since I last posted here. I am attempting to address them all in these updated designs. General notes:

  • As @Msftwikipmey pointed out, the Edit (and Edit source) links are currently present for all section headers. This made me realize that the page I used for the initial designs I posted perhaps wasn't the best (since it only had <h2>s). So this time I'm using two different Wikipedia pages: one which is rather extreme (it has a bunch of headings, all the way down to <h5>), and another which is more ordinary (<h2>s and one <h3>).
  • While logged-in users with their Editing mode preference set to "show me both editor tabs" will see both "Edit" and "Edit source" actions, I've decided to focus the mockups on the more common case, which is people who only see Edit (this would be all logged out users, and all logged in users without the "both editor tabs" setting).
Tue, Mar 5, 12:52 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), TechCom-RFC, Design, MediaWiki-Interface

Mon, Mar 4

alexhollender updated the description for M277: Screenshots from user testing VisualEditor on mobile/Section editing.
Mon, Mar 4, 7:48 PM
alexhollender created M277: Screenshots from user testing VisualEditor on mobile/Section editing.
Mon, Mar 4, 7:47 PM
alexhollender updated the task description for T216961: In mobile view, if a reference contains a link, the link may be positioned improperly in the footnote tooltip.
Mon, Mar 4, 6:28 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog, MobileFrontend
alexhollender updated the task description for T216961: In mobile view, if a reference contains a link, the link may be positioned improperly in the footnote tooltip.
Mon, Mar 4, 6:27 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog, MobileFrontend
alexhollender added a comment to T216961: In mobile view, if a reference contains a link, the link may be positioned improperly in the footnote tooltip.

In addition to the float being picked up from the drawer header/title's CSS (.drawer.references .cite .text), it is also picking up other styling rules, which makes the link look different from the rest of the content (letter-spacing, font-size, text-transform). Perhaps we could add the following CSS to .drawer.references .cite .text a:

Mon, Mar 4, 6:19 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog, MobileFrontend
alexhollender edited projects for T216961: In mobile view, if a reference contains a link, the link may be positioned improperly in the footnote tooltip, added: Readers-Web-Backlog; removed Readers-Web-Backlog (Design).

ok, the proposed solution looks good to me. Moving this out of design.

Mon, Mar 4, 6:08 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog, MobileFrontend
alexhollender added a comment to T210630: [Engineering EPIC]: Loading screen improvements.

Looking at the video that @matmarex posted (T210630#4938902), the Edit overlay (at least in the case of section editing) has the appearance that the content on-screen before the overlay is called, remains on-screen, and that the overlay is really just the toolbar on top of the content that was already there. I'm mainly just curious what's actually happening in that case, and ultimately if these are two different types of overlays: one that is seamlessly transitioning using existing content (e.g. section editing overlay), and another that transitions an entirely new view on top of the existing one (e.g. Talk or Languages).

Mon, Mar 4, 5:47 PM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.22; 2019-03-19), VisualEditor (Current work), Patch-For-Review
alexhollender added a comment to T216961: In mobile view, if a reference contains a link, the link may be positioned improperly in the footnote tooltip.

To clarify what I'm understanding to be the main point of this task, if you compare footnote 11 on https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axel_Krau%C3%9Fe:

Mon, Mar 4, 5:27 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog, MobileFrontend
alexhollender moved T210873: A link popup is (partially) outside the browser view from Designing/discussing right now to Queue on the Readers-Web-Backlog (Design) board.

Ok cool. Moving out of this column.

Mon, Mar 4, 4:44 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), Page-Previews
alexhollender added a comment to T150377: Use 'outside' instead of 'Inside' for list-style in Mobile version so that long line bullet list items are more scannable.

+1

Mon, Mar 4, 4:43 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog, MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.19; 2019-02-26), Patch-For-Review, Unplanned-Sprint-Work, MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2017-11-07 (1.31.0-wmf.7)), User-Jdlrobson, MinervaNeue, Design, WMF-Design
alexhollender added a comment to T213352: AMC: add history link to actions menu.

documenting a conversation @Jdrewniak and I had offline. It seems like we may largely avoid the awkwardness loading situation, at least for now, because the following default cases will not be affected by it:

AMC off (iOS)AMC off (Android)AMC on (iOS/Android)
Mon, Mar 4, 3:41 PM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.23; 2019-03-26), Audiences-QA (RW-Test-Cases), Patch-For-Review, Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3), Advanced Mobile Contributions
alexhollender added a comment to T216961: In mobile view, if a reference contains a link, the link may be positioned improperly in the footnote tooltip.

@Jdlrobson @Jdrewniak: ok, thanks for that information. I think I should create a separate ticket for the external link icon issue. Any ideas on the main issue?

Notice that, in the footnote tooltip, the link is in the wrong position entirely. It should actually be at the very beginning of the footnote.

Mon, Mar 4, 2:59 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog, MobileFrontend
alexhollender added a comment to T210873: A link popup is (partially) outside the browser view.

@Jdlrobson my inclination is still that this isn't worth fixing. Is there something new that I'm missing? It seems like it would happen quite rarely, plus at that screen width the site doesn't do great in general, so I'm not sure it's worth fixing page previews (of all things). Disabling the entire feature seems like overkill, as you can still use it and get value from it in many (maybe even most) cases.

Mon, Mar 4, 2:42 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), Page-Previews

Thu, Feb 28

alexhollender added a comment to T168861: Infobox caption should be properly formatted in the mobile view.

It seems like there are two open questions here:

  1. can we fix the styling of infobox captions on mobile, such that read more like titles?
  2. should include infobox captions and titles if they are an exact match to the page title?
Thu, Feb 28, 8:08 PM · MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.22; 2019-03-19), Audiences-QA (RW-Test-Cases), Patch-For-Review, Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3), MinervaNeue
alexhollender triaged T217197: Where to put page subtitles e.g. redirect, breadcrumbs as Normal priority.

@Jdlrobson I think it makes sense to move them in between hatnotes and the article content. I imagine this content structure map isn't complete (side note, it'd be great if we maintained something like this on one of our project pages to help people, and ourselves, understand how Vector transposes into Minerva/MFE), but here is what I've got so far:

Thu, Feb 28, 6:59 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog, Advanced Mobile Contributions
alexhollender moved T18691: RFC: Section headings should have a clickable anchor from Needs analysis to Designing/discussing right now on the Readers-Web-Backlog (Design) board.
Thu, Feb 28, 5:11 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), TechCom-RFC, Design, MediaWiki-Interface
alexhollender awarded T205581: History, Special:Contributions, Special:RecentChanges, Special:Watchlist should be fully skinnable - use pseudo elements for separating elements a Love token.
Thu, Feb 28, 4:23 PM · Notice, MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.14; 2019-01-22), Accessibility, MobileFrontend (MobileFrontend Special Pages), MW-1.32-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-10-02 (1.32.0-wmf.24)), MediaWiki-Special-pages, MediaWiki-Watchlist, MediaWiki-Recent-changes, Growth-Team, Front-end-Standards-Group, Patch-For-Review, UI-Standardization, User-Jdlrobson
alexhollender added a comment to T18691: RFC: Section headings should have a clickable anchor.

A few questions & thoughts regarding the design here:

  • Would it be beneficial to make this available without having to hover over the page title? I believe it would increase discoverability, decrease complexity of interaction, and minimize elements on the page jumping around.
  • Might we think about this more as a "share" feature, rather than an "obtain link" feature? Perhaps the nuance is subtle, but I think it might make sense to focus on (what I'm guessing will be the most common) intent, which is wanting to share a section with someone, rather than the more technical aspect which is obtaining the link to the section. "Share" also feels like an appropriate companion to "Edit", in that they are both actions you can take on the section.
Thu, Feb 28, 3:20 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), TechCom-RFC, Design, MediaWiki-Interface
alexhollender added a comment to T215063: Rename link in footer to "Jump to footnote".

I'm not sure it's worth introducing another term here.

  • I understand the semantic concern, however I'm assuming that the majority of the footnotes are references/citations, and that comments are an edge case.
  • We are already referring to it as a "reference" in the title of the preview (Book reference, Journal reference, etc.) so I think it might be more confusing to then have a button that says "Jump to footnote"...it feels disconnected from the thing you're already looking at.
  • As far as I can tell the article section where you are jumping to is called "References" (in English), so there is already the idea that we call these things references, even if sometimes they are just comments
Thu, Feb 28, 2:23 PM · WMDE-QWERTY-Season-Sprint-2019-03-20, MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.22; 2019-03-19), Patch-For-Review, WMDE-QWERTY-Sprint-2019-02-06, Reference Previews
alexhollender added a comment to T216789: Browser's native "Find in page" function does include text in sections default .

A few months ago our team was thinking about how to improve in-article navigation. At the time we weren't considering find-in-page as an aspect of in-article navigation, but interestingly during user testing it came up a lot, and I think it's fair to categorize it as a navigational tool. Some people scroll, some people search — they're different ways of accomplishing the same task.

Thu, Feb 28, 1:18 AM · MinervaNeue, Readers-Web-Backlog (Design)

Wed, Feb 27

alexhollender added a comment to T216628: Update AMC setting name and description text.

Looks awesome, thanks for pinging me.

Wed, Feb 27, 11:46 PM · Audiences-QA (RW-Test-Cases), Patch-For-Review, Readers-Web-Backlog (Readers-Web-Kanbanana-Board-2018-19-Q3), Advanced Mobile Contributions
alexhollender raised the priority of T205360: Banner/CentralNotice should be child of `header` and not above it from Low to Normal.
Wed, Feb 27, 6:08 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.19; 2019-02-26), Patch-For-Review, Fundraising-Backlog, MediaWiki-extensions-CentralNotice, Accessibility, MinervaNeue
alexhollender raised the priority of T205360: Banner/CentralNotice should be child of `header` and not above it from Lowest to Low.
Wed, Feb 27, 6:07 PM · Readers-Web-Backlog (Design), MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.19; 2019-02-26), Patch-For-Review, Fundraising-Backlog, MediaWiki-extensions-CentralNotice, Accessibility, MinervaNeue