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For those still following along: I haven't forgotten about this. Looking at this a bit more, I think mwparserfromhell parsing of templates will improve this hierarchy a bit further in addition to relaxing the regex. I'll be interested in upstreaming this stuff hopefully sometime this Q2 or next.

@Milimetric the visual treatment depends on a few factors, although yes, I think we'll want a placeholder to account for any deferred or lazy fetch or client compute timing things.

Thanks @kzimmerman - yeah, some cursory review of the "predicted" values and whether they're approximately sensible and whether addition of stuff of this nature to Hive for a starting point might be of use would be most appreciated!

I'm about to start the work to derive country from Infobox settlement bearing subjects (effectively replacing the Geography.* mid-level category assignment for such subjects), as that's something we're exploring for the purpose of counting pageviews by topic in a little more fine tuned way as a starting point, but meantime here's what the heuristic output looks like.

Hello all. We're going to turn this into a client-side feature and divest of the server side rendering componentry.

The intent here was to capture the material captured via T102318: Convert startup blacklist to feature test with richer detail and on an ongoing basis.

We're mulling this over still.

Thanks! Okay, expanding the heap size helped here. Thank you for the offer of assistance as well!

Okay, let me look into this.

@ovasileva okay to redirect Safari desktop to mdot?

Here's approximately what I had in mind. The mwparserfromhell library might streamline extraction of key-value pairs, but this gets at the typical whitespacing patterns and it seems editors typically follow convention for parameter ordering.

@Pchelolo I may have missed it but has a standardized persistence mechanism been defined?

I'm in support of permanent stashing.

Thanks @santhosh and @Pginer-WMF. Lydia and I spoke. Just to close the loop on one my earlier questions, template key-to-Wikidata property association does not clash with Wikidata client editing plans as of now. Lydia also reinforced the value of data mining in working through potential futures (some of which is happening I see). There are no simple approaches, to be sure, but I did want to close the loop on this one item.

Hi team, just to follow up on what I've let some of you know by email, I'm going to investigate the option of finite temp resources to help handle the more pressing item on EOL to buy us more time. We'll need to scope narrowly so that we address the EOL problems at a minimum and hopefully sidestep any further challenges like this in the future.

Hi @Bouzinac, usually the software tries to make basic web page rendering functional without a strict need for JavaScript. Obviously a significant portion of the software actually requires JavaScript in practice for a feature rich experience, but basic reading is one case where usually we want to be able to support the basics.

Approved as Engineering Director.

I'm in support of the canonical identifier of template parameter keys being Wikidata properties in the cases they're available. I lean toward TemplateData for the time being as the place to forge the connection between template keys and Wikidata properties. As people inevitably copy TemplateData templates across wikis in the current state that ought to make for more consistency on the semantic meaning of the templates, at least.

@diego @Pginer-WMF thanks for the earlier replies on this task. I had some annual planning and vacation stuff that drew me away for a while, but just wanted to say thanks!

@chelsyx I forget some of the details, but I think it's okay to allow the multiple domains be the referrer for the pageviews.

Hi all. There isn't further work on this. Right now the Multimedia team is focused on the Structured Data on Commons project, for which the grant runs until the end of the current calendar year. Presently additional work on stuff outside of SDC or urgent bugfixing or adding test coverage is generally lower priority. Tagging @Ramsey-WMF for any further prioritization or work decomposition if time becomes available in the new calendar year.

Thanks @chelsyx!

Thank you, @chelsyx, great work! Is there a Phabricator paste or Jupyter notebook with the queries and results for our future selves?

Hi @eranroz. Heads up, I'm on time off so my reply may be delayed a couple weeks.

I was wondering, how well does the parameters name-based approach apply to the set of TemplateData-backed templates themselves?

One of my hopes is that people will be concentrated together on topics. I'd prefer single track with a well structured format if at all possible.

Thanks @kzimmerman. All the signals I've seen and that we could think of seem to suggest there's a positive traffic increase attributable to the intervention. My gut instinct given typical user behavior on search engine result pages and the nature of this intervention is that there's very little cannibalization, no detrimental cannibalization, and in fact there's a real boost to content availability and consumption.

@elukey thanks for the follow up here. No need to block on me for the GPU. Fully agreed on the need for a secure supply chain.

As an example, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/NY_308_in_Rhinebeck_4.jpg/800px-NY_308_in_Rhinebeck_4.jpg maps to https://ms-fe.svc.eqiad.wmnet/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/NY_308_in_Rhinebeck_4.jpg/800px-NY_308_in_Rhinebeck_4.jpg in the cluster if fetching directly from stat1005.

To clarify, was that via the internet or internal cluster?

@Nuria the other day I mentioned my project around use of DeepSpeech.

@Yurik in addition to pulling both version of the JS for pages bearing both v1.5 and v2 syntax, the other thing is to encourage the syntax being updated, is that right?

Thanks @elukey

Totally understood on the user observed performance (at least when it's on the critical rendering path) and static asset payload, just wanted to make sure if it's the case that theoretically JS-only provides all of the functionality (for JS clients) and there wasn't some additional use case.

Hi all - we had a meeting on this and a question emerged. Is it possible to run Graph without Graphoid if the clients are JavaScript-only?

Hi, I'm requesting access to gpu-testers as well in order to begin validating model building.

Thanks. Confirmed it works.

Okay, this has been sitting in draft for too long, so I'm going to provide this simply so that we have it here and people have access to some queries in case they're looking around later. I was intending to share some numbers then follow up about product aspects on a separate post. But I've been rather busy with planning and anticipate continuing to be quite busy with more planning. We'll be discussing potential product / support aspects separately in a forthcoming meeting.

@JKatzWMF @JMinor would you support us addressing T142090: Add hover-card like summary (og:description) to open graph meta data printing plain summary as time permits here in Q4 or perhaps as a Q1 FY 19-20 project, to bridge the gap between now and bigger social sharing work?

• Based on 1A, the volume of visits coming from integrated translated results in Google search is similar to the visits explicitly requesting a translation (e.g., by going to Google Translate or clicking the "translate this age" option in the search results).

Correct. And note that this graph only shows the traffic when the translation target language is Indonesian. You may also notice that from January to February, visits from integrated translated results is much higher, then it drop since March. I asked @dr0ptp4kt and he thinks Google probably change their algorithm.

It seems like in the screenshot from @Peter it's now fairly clear about the proxying. Obviously the visual nudge is to actually turn on the feature, but it seems like the terminology is pretty clear. In this regard, this makes it more on par with something like Opera.

Thank you, @Krinkle.

I don't have my Android device handy, but this is not applying Google Web Light, correct? Would it be possible for someone to post screenshots of the resultant treatment for our pages?

Thanks @ovasileva.

Yes, @Legoktm, thanks!

Thanks @Legoktm. Yes, please, Joe Walsh should be added, too.

Thanks. Looking forward to confirmation.

^ Well, I intended for that to be on email. But it stands: I think Olga put this in terms that I could understand - and as I've said in other places, I think the implementation is non-trivial even if the consequences can be studied sufficiently to be well understood. That said, what is this "exploring sharing entire articles or portions of articles" part about?

Thanks. That's cool, although what should we do to reinstate my privileges short run? The specific request right now is to get Natalia H granted group membership, although I want to ensure that both Joe W and I will have owner privs more generally in the apps repos.

Great framing, nice job! One question, though, what's this part about and how does that tie into the conversation?

@Krenair created task here. Previously I had sufficient permissions as I recall, but it seems like there's been an update (TBH I may have missed a note somewhere).

Thanks @Krenair

Hi there - re-opening, although please let me know if I should open a fresh task.

@chelsyx possibly helpful for T212414, although not conclusive.

@chelsyx As it is the "Access the translated funnel" line makes the other parts of the funnel look compressed in the "Number of events when target language is Indonesian, by action type" graph. It's a true representation of the magnitude, of course, but I was wondering if you had an approach that might aid visual interpretation of the data (e.g., two y-axes, non-constant scale, percentile fluctuation, etc.).

Thanks @Pginer-WMF. I've put a HOLD on the calendar for March 6 to get the Varnish patch up a little bit ahead of this, although will adjust as needed for any change in the activation for the extension (or the schedule of @BBlack and myself the day prior to the activation of the extension).

Thanks, @santhosh. When you say "context detection code", I take that to mean inclusive of this init code we're referring to for the "Desktop" footer link removal.

Thanks, @BBlack, will give the heads up once the date is set.

Would it be possible to clarify the wording on "There is no existing FLOSS software that provides the same functionality"? I believe the intent here is about surveying the FLOSS ecosystem for well crafted, well maintained, architecturally compatible FLOSS software that provides comparable functionality before specifying and building new non-trivial standalone services.

I don't see this as an urgent priority, although planning it as a small piece of work for a future quarter would be fine. We could then share this with the mailing lists and contacts we have at places where people are employing these sorts of algorithms in their own code.

This sort of algorithm is in use in several prominent high scale media properties, but people are recreating the work in their specific cases, as opposed to having one easy-to-call API that reflects this line of thinking. The idea was to expose something that, given a title, produces the correct revision. I strongly agree that it should also take into consideration whether that last correct revision is reportedly non-damaging (and scrub backwards further if so), as sometimes humans can't keep up with the backlog.

@BBlack in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/490120 I checked in with @Pginer-WMF today. Pau said deploying this the day or two prior to ExternalGuidance being activated for the source wiki of enwiki (for Indonesian) would be ideal.

Okay, so based on @TheDJ feedback @JMinor it seems the issue may surface in fleeting edge case scenarios. Of course some would say making those errors visible is a feature, not a bug. Anyway, obviously this is your area for prioritization.

Thanks @TheDJ.

Thanks. I'm not sure if something changed in a Scribunto module or somewhere in extension land, but it doesn't seem like it's really turning up on enwiki source, at least - there are some Village Pump discussions on this.

Hi all - I was aware of this task but hadn't been following it. But it was brought to my attention as having some momentum, so here I am! I have some information I can dredge up that I think may help shed some light on some paths forward. I also want to check in with some product and design people about any sense on forthcoming product interventions in the area of interactive or, for that matter, materialized graphs.

For those following along, I ran a query to get a sense of global usage of Google Translate and using the "Desktop" link. On 11 February 2019 there were only 89 such requests globally, about 2/3 where enwiki was the source wiki. This figure is not a perfect predictor of desktop user behavior, as for desktop users using enwiki as the source wiki receiving the mobile treatment it will be a new thing. But it probably suggests that, in addition to the rationale @Pginer-WMF provides about the basis of stopping showing broken stuff, the mobile read view is okay for consumptive purposes in general.

Thanks, @santhosh !

@BBlack ^ would you please review the enwiki VCL patch? We'll only want to merge it after ExternalGuidance has been tested with simplewiki and @Pginer-WMF has given the greenlight, but I figured it best if we go through review ahead of that.