5 2 I spent a minute looking at my own code by accident. I was thinking "What the hell is this guy doing?" 1
11 6 Play "stomp the developers" live on irc://irc.freenode.net/#mediawiki ! 1
12 6 The answer is 42. 1
14 6 To bug or not to bug, that is the question. 1
15 6 [jwales] What good is having a war mongering President if we can't invade Estonia to kill spammers? I AM JOKING DO NOT QUOTE ME ON THAT. :-) 1
18 6 [kingturtle2] is lieutenant pronounced al-OOOOOOO-MIN-eee-um? 1
20 6 [SethIlys] Hmm... I'm getting 500 errors. [FennecFoxen] SethIlys- that's a lot of errors. 1
22 6 [Raul654] how the hell did [[List of people on stamps of Gabon]] get on my watchlist? 1
23 6 [Raul654] come on, isn't anyone here an admin on meta? [BillyH] I think Raul654 is. 1
24 6 [TimStarling] We already have kid editors. First they learn about how to edit a page, then they learn about VfD. 1
30 65 Dear diary: No wikipedia today. Had to go outside and see real people again. [S AlexS] 1
31 65 I don't know what to do and where to go. Outer world seems uneditable. (ilya) 1
38 45 [Kate-] (Jimbo)'s in hospital with total amnesia. [brion] "I started a *what* on the internet??" 1
39 45 [danny] I fear we have an international incident brewing between micronations on our recent changes 1
40 45 ...it should be regarded as a desperate measure, like removing a frostbitten limb. 1
Yesterday is a past, tomorrow is a future, today is a gift that's why it's called 'present'.
41 59 Yesterday is a pastText processing has made it possible to right-justify any idea, tomorrow is a future,even one which cannot be justified on any other grounds. today is a gift that's why it's called 'present'. 1-J. Finnegan
44 94 Text processing has made it possible to right-justify any idea, even one which cannot be justified on any other grounds. -J.[TimShell] Is there an IRC client that has a command that will allow me to physically hurt another user, Finnegan 1because I would find that useful
50 45 [TimShell] Is there an IRC client that has a command that will allow me to physically hurt another user,Our new slogan... because I would find that useful 1Wikipedia: Just a Little Bit More Than You Wanted To Know
51 45 Our new slogan[DavidGerard] the gates over hell, with "ABANDON HOPE ALL YE WHO ENTER HERE" over them... Wikipedia: Just a Little Bit More Than You Wanted To Know 1if you can find a GFDL image
55 233 [DavidGerard] the gates over hell[Raul654] ...so, with "ABANDON HOPE ALL YE WHO ENTER HERE" over them...since we're boned both ways, if you can find a GFDL image 1we might as well make a policy
56 233 [Raul654] ...so[dannyisme] SJ, since we're boned both ways,I have removed the misplaced comma you inserted to irk me. we might as well make a policy 1do not think that your attempt at vandalism has not gone unnoticed
58 233 [dannyisme] SJ[TimStarling] what, so you tested two servers, I have removefound the misplaced comma you inserted to irk me.at there was a good one and a bad one, do not think that your attempt at vandalism has not gone unnoticed 1and sent us the bad one?
60 233 [TimStarling] what,[SethIlys]: I was always under the impression that we *wanted* copyleft. so you tested two servers[JamesDay]: Seth, found that there was a good one and a bad one, and sent us the bad one? 1"we" is an ambiguous concept:)
If there is nothing wrong, then something is seriously wrong.
62 60 [SethIlys]: I was always under the impression that we *wanted* copyleft. [JamesDay]: Seth, "we" is an ambiguous concept:) 1what kind of crazed micronation would this be without our pseudolegal formalisms?
63 231 If there is nothing wrong,please put the text "[flame]" into the subject line so the rest of us can filter them out and get on to productive things? then something is seriously wrong. 1;)
65 45 what kind of crazed micronation would this be without our pseudolegal formalisms? 1I've only edited in languages I don't speak today so I don't know what's going on :)
If Barbie is so popular, why do you need to buy her friends?
66 12 please put the text "[flame]" into the subject line so the rest of us can filter them out and get on to productive things? ;) 1You cannot fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no understanding of what is going wrong.
71 45 I've only edited in languages I don't speak today so I don't know what's going on :) 1Arguing with an engineer is like mudwrestling a pig: after an hour or so you're covered with mud... then, suddenly, you notice the pig's really enjoying itself.
81 476 If Barbie is so popular,Deliberate complexity is the mark of an amateur. why do you need to buy her friends? 1Elegant simplicity is the mark of a master.
82 534 You cannot fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no understanding of what is going wrong. 1The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'.
84 534 Arguing with an engineer is like mudwrestling a pig: after an hour or so you're covered with mud... then, suddenly, you notice the pig's really enjoying itself. 1MediaZilla: Your one refuge from the Kids WB Yu-Gi-Oh Marathon
85 534 Deliberate complexity is the mark of an amateurIf something can fail, it will do so unexpectedly. Elegant simplicity is the mark of a master. 1If something cannot fail, it will do so disastrously.
92 534 The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'. 1* brion kicks bacon in the eggs
100 520 MediaZilla: Your one refuge fromLord, what fools the Kids WB Yu-Gi-Oh Marathon 1se mortals be!
103 161 If something can fail, it will do so unexpectedly. If something cannot fail, it will do so disastrously. 1[E]veryone takes one look at replaceInternalLinks and goes to watch TV --TimStarling
108 265 * brion kicks bacon in the eggs 1In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.
110 475 Lord, what fools these mortals be! 1Mark_Ryan has kicked Mark_Ryan from #wikipedia (reckless disregard for policy)
145 45 [E]veryone takes one look at replaceInternalLinks and goes to watch TV --TimStarling 1Silverman's Law: If Murphy's Law can go wrong, it will.
146 743 In the land of the blindf u cn rd ths, the one eyed man is king. 1u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng.
154 626 Mark_Ryan has kicked Mark_Ryan from #wIn Soviet Russia, Wikipedia (reckless disregard for policy) 1edits everyone.
217 43 Silverman's Law: If Murphy's Law can go wrong, it will. 1Xirzon: are the servers up for slashdotting ? brion: we get more traffic than /. usually we don't even notice the bump on the traffic graphs
218 43 f u cn rd ths,It was a bad idea. u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng. 1The users made me do it. -- Tim Starling in wikitech-l
220 512 In Soviet RussiaTwo wrongs don't make a right, Wikipedia edits everyone. 1but three lefts do.
221 2 Xirzon: are the servers up for slashdotting ? brion: we get more traffic than /. usually we don't even notice the bump on the traffic graphs 1"Any sufficiently advanced bug is indistinguishable from a feature." - Rich Kulawiec
232 2 It was a bad idea. The users made me do it. -- Tim Starling in wikitech-l 1This space intentionally left blank.
249 1208 Two wrongs don't make a right,And so, we don't need a business model, we're just doing it. but three lefts do. 1[Jimmy Wales, early 21st century]
251 846 "Any sufficiently advanced bug is indistinguishable from a feature." - Rich Kulawiec 1[jwales] damn wikipedia spam. those people are taking over the internet
259 1208 This space intentionally left blank. 1Black holes suck.
270 25 And so, we don't need a business model, we'reSometimes you just doing it. [Jimmy Wales, early 21st century] 1have to turn off the computer.
271 25 [jwales] damn 22,000,000 google hits for "wikipedia spam. those people are taking over the internet 1," polluting the Internet since January 15, 2001
272 630 Black holes suck. 1In Soviet Russia, bugs fix you
273 565 Sometimes you just have to turn off the computer. 1If the world were perfect, you wouldn't be seeing this.
275 353 22,000,000 google hits for "wikipedia," polluting the Internet since January 15, It matters not what the clocks say or the attitudes and labors of men. Morning is when I am awake and there is a dawn in me. 2001 1(Henry David Thoreau)
288 1208 In Soviet Russia, bugs fix you 1The bible doesn't give us all the details but it implies pancakes.
289 1208 If the world were perfect,To err is human. you wouldn't be seeing this. 1To really mess things up you need a computer
293 315 It matters not what the clocks say or the attitudes and labors of men.Move along, Mornnothing is when I am awake and there is a dawn in me.to see here! (Henry David Thoreau) 1Officer Barbrady)
296 1304 The bible doesn't give us all the details but it implies pancakes. 1He's from one of the Lost Tribes of Israel which should have remained lost ---Woody Allen
297 1599 To err is human. To really mess things up you need a computer 1* brion burns down an end user or two
309 1883 Move along, nothing to see here!I know how the MediaWiki namespace works, (Officer Barbrady) 1I invented it -- TimStarling
321 2282 He's from one of the Lost Tribes of Israel which should have remained lost ---Woody Allen 1The Developers make no warranty, express or implied, as to the usability of this product, nor to the occupational hazard of poking shed loads of bug reports at us and expecting us to keep smiling.
353 197 * brion burns down an end user or two 1[brion]: that sounds too much like... well i won't say it
367 2 I know how the MediaWiki namespace works, I invented it -- TimStarling 1...but there are also unknown unknowns - the ones we don't know we don't know - Donald Rumsfeld
368 2150 The Developers make no warranty, express or implied, as to the usability of this product,"This is a famous monkey. nor to the occupational hazard of poking shTo see an automatically generated loadsist of bug reports at us and expecting us to keep smiling. 1other famous monkeys click here."
374 2529 [brion]: that sounds too much like..Text processing has made it possible to right-justify any idea, even one which cannot be justified on any other grounds. -J. well i won't say it 1Finnegan
381 2752 ...but there are also unknown unknowns - the ones we don't know we don't know - Donald Rumsfeld 1It's better to burn out than to fade away - Neil Young
384 1208 "This is a famous monkey. To see an automatically generated list of other famous monkeys click here." 1People who think they know everything really annoy those of us that do.
388 1208 Text processing has made it possible to right-justify any idea, even one which cannot be justified on any other grounds. -J. Finnegan 1Hate the bug and love the developer.
392 2752 It's better to burn out than to fade away - Neil Young 1"There were grammatical errors even in his silence." -- Stanisław Jerzy Lec
402 3037 People who think they know everything really annoy those of us that do. 1[Brion Vibber] A captcha of course is that annoying little thing that makes you type in a word or code to continue, to prove that you're probably not an abusive bot. (Or a blind person. Whoops!)
405 2999 Hate the bug and loveWhen all else fails, reach for the developer. 1hammer.
407 2909 "There were grammatical errors even in his silence." -- Stanisław Jerzy Lec 1When you start accusing everyone of being in on a conspiracy, you shouldn't be surprised if they decide to confirm your paranoia by banding together against you. (en:khaosworks)
411 2122 [Brion Vibber] A captcha of course is that annoying little thing that makes you type in a word or code to continue, to prove that you're probably not an abusive botWhen I was a child I used to pray everynight for a bike. (Or a blind person.One day I realized that that is not how God works, Whoops!) 1so I stole one and prayed for god to forgive me.
419 3326 When(brion) blocking all else fails, reach for the hammer. 1packets from 10/8 doesn't work too well when you're on a 10/8 network
421 1037 When you start accusing everyone of being in on a conspiracy,[brion] ...we can pretty much assume satan's involved; you shouldn't be surprised if they decide to confirm your paranoia by banding together against you.this is Wikipedia, (en:khaosworks) 1after all
422 2693 When I was a child I used to pray everynight for a bike. One day I realized that that is not how God works,Time is an illusion. so I stole one and prayed for god to forgive me. 1Lunchtime doubly so.
423 1037 (brion) blocking all packets from 10/8 doesn't work too well when you're on a 10/8 network 1If the automobile had followed the same development cycle as the PC, a Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, and explode once a year, killing everyone inside.
454 2150 [brion] ...we can pretty much assume satan's involved;"Install Linux, this is Wikipedia, after all 1problem solved," is not advice.
472 4324 Tim[robchurch] so exercise is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so. 1like installing Windows ME [brion] yes
473 4178 If the automobile had followed the same development cycle as the PC, a Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, and explode once a year[TimStarling] globals are magical structures, killing everyone inside. 1like little winged monkeys that fly your data from wherever it is generated to wherever it is needed
489 4504 "Install LinuxGet your facts first, problem solved," is not advice. 1and then you can distort them as much as you please.
490 3475 [robchurch] so exercise is like installing Windows ME [brion] yes 1brion: "i hate you, nfs"
499 3475 [TimStarling] globals are magical structuresUnlike others your brain is a masterpiece. In the left half, nothing is right and in the right half, like little winged monkeys that fly your data from wherever it is generated to wherever itnothing is needed 1left.
501 731 Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. 1twincest: please provide a vaguer error message
515 3216 brion: "i hate you"If it ain't broke, nfs" 1hit it hard enough and it soon will be!"
537 1034 Unlike others your brain is a masterpiece. In the left half, nothing is right and in the right halfDon't fix it because you should, nothing is left. 1fix it because you might be the only one who can.
564 3216 twincest: please provide a vaguer error message 1LeonWP: I already see how you'll gzip the topic one day because it's full of uninteresting stuff nobody reads
573 5632 "If it ain't brokeNo matter what you do, someone out there, hit it hard enough and it soon will be!" 1somewhere, will hate it - Titoxd's First Law
582 2002 D"I don't fix it because you shouldreally get analysts on these things, fix it because you might be the only one who can. 1I just do what I think sounds cool" - Jimmy Wales
583 3216 LeonWP: I already see how you'll gzip the topic one day because it's full of uninteresting stuff nobody reads 1(Brinstar) If it wasn't for C, we'd be using BASI, PASAL and OBOL.
590 2866 No matter what(Toba) how can you do, someone out there, somewhere,be decidedly and forcefully indifferent? will hate it - Titoxd's First Law 1(est) I DON'T CARE
599 6068 "I don't really get analysts on these things<TimStarling> temporary solutions have a terrible habit of becoming permanent, I just do what I think sarounds cool" - Jimmy Wales 1 here
629 4996 (Brinstar) If it wasn't for C, we'd be using BASI, PASAL and OBOL. 1<brion-office> well breaking wikipedia gets real fucking old :)
633 4996 (Toba) how can you be decidedly and forcefully indifferent? (est) I DON'T CARE 1Wikinews: Just because we wrote it in our pyjamas doesn't mean you shouldn't take us seriously.
649 2150 <TimStarling> temporary solutions have a terrible habit of becoming permanentI flipped a three-sided coin, around here 1it came up "no consensus". --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]]
A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. —Ford Prefect in "Mostly Harmless" by Douglas Adams
654 6783 <brion-office> well breaking wikipedia gets real fucking old :) 1Never trust a programmer with a screwdriver.
668 5403 Wikinews: Just because we wrote it in our pyjamas doesn't mean you shouldn't take us seriously. 1/* Sure this won't happen */ die();
699 7380 I flipped a three-sided coinIMO you should go with Python or something if you wanted to rewrite MW. (Of course, the downside there is that then all the Perl-lovers will hate MediaWiki *and* its developers eternally, it came up "no consensus". --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 1whereas now everyone can loathe the language it's written in in total harmony, but there's always a cost.) -- Simetrical
704 6646 A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. —Ford Prefect in "Mostly Harmless" by Douglas Adams 1Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly. It just happens to be very selective about who its friends are.
705 1818 Never trust a programmer with a screwdriver. 1<Simetrical>\ Why do IRC clients always pick the wrong name to autocomplete to? <domas>\ siebrand: they always pick right for me!
724 7204 /* Sure this w(Tim Starling) Also it probably helps robustness when you don't happen */ die(); 1add 7 stack levels per pair of double braces.
728 4746 IMO you should go with Python or something if you wanted to rewrite MW. (Of course, the downside there is that then all the Perl-lovers will hate MediaWiki *and* its developers eternally, whereas now everyone can loathe the language it's written in in total harmony, but there's always a cost.) -- Simetrical 1It's not a bug - it's an undocumented feature.
756 7890 Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly. It just happens to be very selective about who its friends are. 1Computer programming is the only profession in which you have a valid excuse to do nothing: "My code is compiling"
758 6695 <Simetrical>\ Why do IRC clients always pick the wrong name to autocomplete to? <domas>\ siebrand: they always pick right for me! 1<Titoxd> all users are malicious, stupid, or outright dangerous
775 3475 (Tim Starling) Also it probably helps robustness when you don't add 7 stack levels per pair of double braces. 118:11 < Simetrical> "Happy birthday! Soon this bug will be able to buy alcohol."
781 8191 It's not a bug - it's an undocumented feature. 1<TimStarling> we use rackmount servers <TimStarling> they're harder to squeeze the cats into
801 6374 Computer programming is the only profession in which you have a valid excuse to do nothing: "My code is compiling" 1<brion> give me a time machine and a clue-by-four and i can fix this problem for you
812 2866 <Titoxd> all users are malicious, stupid<Simetrical> Remember, or outright dangerous 1your commit message isn't too long until it causes people's machines to go into swap when they read the commit mailing.
851 3687 18:11 < Simetrical> "Happy birthday! Soon this bug will be able to buy alcohol." 1<p858snake> basically wikipedia runs on the "when brion or tim gets drunk and plays with svn" build
856 6045 <TimStarling> we use rackmount servers <TimStarling> they're harder to squeeze the cats into 1<Splarka> that makes baby JS cry
866 6045 <brion> give me a time machine<brion> if they say "do this" i'll be like "make me" and a clue-by-four and i can fix this problem for you 1they'll be like "ok i will" and i'll be like "bring it!"
876 6045 <Simetrical> Remember<TimStarling> teaching is fun, your commit message isn't too long until it causes people's machines to go into swap when they read the commit mailing. 1it's like making clones of yourself who will do your work for you
877 5953 <p858snake> basically wikipedia runs on the "when brion or tim gets drunk and plays with svn" build 1< werdna> I can has use case? < Simetrical> werdna, {{subst:#ifexpr: {{subst:#editcount:{{{1}}} }} > 1000|'''Support'''|'''Oppose'''}} ~~~~
880 1 <Splarka> that makes baby JS cry 1<werdnum> Duesentrieb: WORKSFORME <Duesentrieb> GOODFORYOU
984 7228 <brion> if they say "do this" i'll be like "make me"FunPika: do squids like candy... RobH: The squids run on information and they'll be like "ok i will" and i'll be like "bring it!" 1 souls of kittens, they crave not your candy.
985 3475 <TimStarling> teaching is fun,<brion> oh wait... it's like making clones of yourself who will do your work for you 1i have to *apply* the patch
990 3687 < werdna> I can has use case? < Simetrical> werdna<Splarka> The world will not end with a bang, {{subst:#ifexpr: {{subst:#editcount:{{{1}}} }} > 1000|'''Support'''|'''Oppose'''}} ~~~~ 1but with a return false;
993 6372 <werdnum> Duesentrieb: WORKSFORME <Duesentrieb> GOODFORYOU 1Duesentrieb: London subway stations mostly sound like obscure Scandinavian death metal bands
1004 8071 FunPika: do squids like candy... RobH: The squids run on information and the souls of kittensIf it ain't broke, they crave not your candy. 1it needs more features.
1011 5774 <brion> oh wait...<Splarka> wow demon, you're looking so <big> and <strong> lately, i have to *apply* the patch 1wha'<sup>?
1026 7897 <Splarka> The world will not end with a bang<pc> can someone teach me how to backup a wiki for upgrade without scripts >_> <MrZ-man> pc: you mean like writing down the content of all of the articles on paper?
<Splarka> "you caused an accidental launch of a thermonuclear device with your buggy code, you precipitated World War III! 8 billion people are dead! what do you have to say for yourself?" "PHP sucks" "Oh, but with a return false; 1well, there is that"
1033 6695 Duesentrieb: London subway stations mostly sound like obscure Scandinavian death metal bands 1<RoanKattouw> avar: You managed to commit a regression that went unnoticed for 4,5 years <avar> I blame Nikerabbit
Facts don't cease to be facts; but news ceases to be news.
1034 10156 If it ain't broke,[21:05:18] <thedj> Chuck Norris once dared domas to a hacking contest; it needs more features. 1Chuck Norris will never use a computer again
1052 5774 <Splarka> wow demonIf you have more than 1000 objects loaded on a single request, you're lookyou are doing so <big> and <strong> lately,mething wrong as far as I am concerned. wha'<sup>? 1-- Rasmus Lerdorf
1055 5774 <pc> can someone teach me how to backup a wiki for upgrade without scripts >_> <MrZ-man> pc: you mean like writing down the content of all of the articles on paper? 1Please include your latitude, longitude, and elevation in your bug report, so we know where to target the ICBM.
1056 6045 <Splarka> "you caused an accidental launch of a thermonuclear device with your buggy code, you precipitated World War III! 8 billion people are dead! what do you have to say for yourself?" "PHP sucks" "Oh, well, there is that" 1I don't know nearly enough about animal reproduction to continue participating in this conversation -- TrevorParscal
1104 5774 <RoanKattouw> avar: You managed to commit a regression that went unnoticed for 4,5 years <avar> I blame Nikerabbit 1<dmarsh>: Hey all, Just wondering if anyone has done mediawiki in a high availability cluster? Are there any good examples out there? I've looked and struggled to find anything. <p858snake_>: dmarsh: does wikipedia count?
1105 7543 Facts don't cease to be facts;To deprecate something means say nasty things about it, like "that function is lazy and good for nothing". But to save time, programmers just say "this is deprecated", butinstead of thinking up a news ceases to be news. 1 insult every time. -- Tim Starling
1139 6045 [21:05:18] <thedj> Chuck NorrisI saw a human pyramid once dared domas to a hacking contest;. It was very unnecessary. Chuck Norris will never use a computer again 1- Mitch Hedberg
1140 83 If you have more than 1000 objects loaded on a single request, you are doing something wrong as far as I am concerned. -- Rasmus Lerdorf 1[TimStarling] "What OS is your server running on?" [Anonymous] "Windows 95. And PHP keeps making Windows crash."
1148 3216 Please include your latitude, longitude, and elevation in your bug report, so we know where to target the ICBM. 1on twitter: wrote a wikipedia article by pen today: gonna mail it to Jimbo
1150 9459 I don't know nearly enough about animal reproduction to continue participating in this conversation -- TrevorParscal 1<domas> quick, hurry compile your kernels
1154 5774 <dmarsh>: Hey all, Just wondering if anyone has done mediawiki in a high availability cluster? Are there any good examples out there? I've looked and struggled to find anything. <p858snake_>: dmarsh: does wikipedia count? 1<Bryan> everybody hates php <Bryan> but that doesn't really matter
1155 5774 To deprecate something means say nasty things about it, like "that function is lazy and good for nothing". But to save time, programmers just say "this is deprecated", instead of thinking up a new insult every time<Belinda> Wiki BROKEN. -- Tim Starling 1DOMAS HELP US
1165 11911 I saw a human pyramid once. It was very unnecessary. - Mitch Hedberg 1Mental notes are for poor people who can't afford real notes.
1166 11552 [TimStarling] "What OS is your server running on?" [Anonymous] "Windows 95p858snake: edit via sms.... And PHP keeps making Windows crash." 1wtf thats like 140 character max
1167 6922 on twitter: wrote a wikipedia article by pen today: gonna mail it to Jimbo 1<cirwin> svip: your comment is my comment, except wrong
1169 6045 <domas> quick, hurry compile your kernels 1<flyingparchment> have fun being an evil capitalist overlord <AryehGregor> Will do.
1172 6045 <Bryan> everybody hates php <Bryan> but that doesn't really matter 1Those who can, do. Those who can't, go to #mediawiki for help :)
1175 5774 <Belinda> Wiki BROKEN. DOMAS HELP US 1[In relation to single letter interwikis] Tim Starling: Simple solution: delete Wikiquote.
1181 5774 Mental notes are for poor people who can't afford real notes. 1Homesick C developers write null as NULL because they want to believe that it is a macro defined as ((void*)0). This is not necessary.
1182 5774 p858snake: edit via sms.... wtf thats like 140 character max 1<flyingparchment> we invented computers so i wouldn't have to walk all the way over there
1183 5774 <cirwin> svip: your commvvv: We came to the conclusion that the current is my comment, except wrong 1template system indeed sucks
1184 5953 <flyingparchment> have fun being an evil capitalist overlord <AryehGregor> Will do. 1<RoanKattouw> DreamWeaver won't let you edit those? That's stupid <flyingparchment> s/ won't let you edit those//
1186 7006 Those who can, do. Those who can't, go to #mediawiki for help :) 1<Brack10> Mediawiki is the best thing that ever happened to me :)
1188 9593 [In relation to single letter interwikis] Tim Starling: Simple solution: delete Wikiquote. 1<^demon> Bugzilla's permission systems suck.
1191 5674 Homesick C developers write null as NULL because they want to believe that it is a macro defined as ((void*)0).<Reedy> 1. Replace | with {{!}} <Reedy> 2. ????? This is not necessary. 1<Reedy> 3. Profit!
1195 5774 <flyingparchment> we invented computers so i wouldn't have to walk all the way over there 1<^demon> Reedy: Don't you want 30 installations on your localhost? <Reedy> I don't have any on my localhost :o <RoanKattouw> ^demon: Of course you want 30 wikis on your localhost, so you can destroy the wrong one <^demon> Shut up.
1196 5674 vvv: We came to the conclusion that the current template system indeed sucks 1<Chzz> Whoever fixed up the edit summary box to turn red to show when too long, etc. ***THANK YOU*** big improvement; finally, a GOOD change! I want your babies.
I will commit a new version using -e. Please check if it works there (alternatively, send me a Mac :) --Platonides
1201 6045 <RoanKattouw> DreamWeaver won't let you edit those?<TimStarling> MediaWiki is useful for everything, That's stupid <flyingparchment> s/ won't let you edit those// 1it can simulate nuclear weapons blasts or feed your cat
1205 5774 <Brack10> Mediawiki is the best thing that<^demon> Ok Reedy you need to stop doing ever happened to me :) 1ything I'm about to do.
1206 9116 <^demon> Bugzilla's permission systems suck. 1<RoanKattouw> I was in a LinAlg course when I first visited the office, where of course we drew "Vector vs. Monobook" sketches on the whiteboard
1217 6045 <Reedy> 1. Replace | with {{!}} <Reedy> 2. ????? <Reedy> 3.<domas> we should migrate to nosql <domas> then we wouldn't have all these tables/fields problems <domas> and could have more agile development! Profit! 1<domas> and everything would just work
1218 6045 <^demon> Reedy: Don't you want 30 installations on your localhost? <Reedy> I don't have any on my localhost :o <RoanKattouw> ^demon: Of course you want 30 wikis on your localhost, so you can destroy the wrong one <^demon> Shut up. 1<brion> let's party like it's 1994
1219 6045 <Chzz> Whoever fixed up the edit summary box to turn red to show when too long, etc. ***THANK YOU*** big improvement; finally<Platonides> if you haven't installed it, a GOOD change! I want your babies. 1you don't have it installed
1220 5774 I will commit a new version using -e. Please check if it works there (alternatively, send me a Mac :) --Platonides 1Tim Starling: "Switched to debhelper 7 since it's the first version of debhelper designed for use by humans (as opposed to Debian maintainers)"
1221 6045 <TimStarling> MediaWiki is useful for everything, it can simulate nuclear weapons blasts or feed your cat 1<domas> platonides is awesome
1223 6045 <^demon> Ok Reedy you need to stop doing everything I'm about to do. 1<Dantman> That's why I need a browser <Dantman> I don't memorize large lists of functions from different languages
1224 6702 <RoanKattouw> I was<^demon> qdb: You should ask in a LinAlg course when I first visited the office,#mediawiki-i18n. The guys who run translatewiki.net hang out there. where of course we drew "Vector vs.<qdb> [16:39] --> You are now talking on #mediawiki-i18n * ^demon kicks himself, Monobook" sketches on the whiteboard 1walks away *very* sheepishly.
1228 6045 <domas> we should migrate to nosql <domas> then we wouldn't have all these tables/fields problems <domas> and could have more agile development!<avar> .. I always knew there was somthing odd about Chad, <domas> and everything would just work 1he's secretly british <avar> Why else would he configure debian with en_GB.UTF-8 as the default locale ?:) <p858snake> because you like correct english and utf8?
1229 5774 <brion> let's party like it's 1994 1<TimStarling> yes, I could enable raw HTML <root-80686> TimStarling: great, thanks <TimStarling> I would first have to be bat-shit insane <TimStarling> but that shouldn't be a problem, let me just take some drugs
1230 5774 <Platonides> if you haven't installed it<Tiptoety> You know you deal with too many users when you block them in 2008, you don't have it installed 1then come back and give them userrights in 2010.
1232 6045 Tim Starling: "Switched to debhelper 7 since it's the first version of debhelper designed for use by humans (as opposed to Debian maintainers)" 1<^demon> MaxSem: $wgTitle? Really?
1233 6045 <domas> platonides is awesome 1AryehGregor throws rocks at everyone generally, then gets back to work
1235 5774 <Dantman> That's why I need a browser <Dantman> I don't memorize large lists of functions from different languages 1<flipzagging> well, I'm confused about GENDER
1237 6045 <^demon> qdb: You should ask in #mediawiki-i18n. The guys who run translatewiki.net hang out there. <qdb> [16:39] --> You are now talking on #mediawiki-i18n * ^demon kicks himself, walks away *very* sheepishly. 1* ^demon can give Bugzilla the lovin' it needs
1238 6045 <avar> ..<TimStarling> anyone here? I always knew there was somthing odd about Chad<larne> don't ask if anyone's around, he's secretly british <avar> Why else would he configure debian with en_GB.UTF-8 as the default locale ?:) <p858snake> because you like correct english and utf8? 1just ask your question <TimStarling> thanks for that pearl of wisdom larne <larne> np
1241 6045 <TimStarling> yes, I could enable raw HTML <root-80686> TimStarling: great, thanks <TimStarling> I would first have to be bat-shit insane <TimStarling> but that shouldn't be a problem, let me just take some drugs 1<guillom> I edit-conflicted myself on bugzilla ¬_¬
1243 6045 <Tiptoety> You know you deal with too many users when you block them in 2008,<adam_miller> End of the day ArticleAssessment commit. then come back and give them userrights in 2010. 1Progress was made. True story.
1249 6045 <^demon> MaxSem: $wgTitle?<TimStarling> no, Really? 1I restarted it <TimStarling> properly, with a big kill -9 stick <TimStarling> not by touchy feely stuff
1258 5774 AryehGregor throws rocks at everyone generallyQ: How many Wikimedians does it take to change a light bulb? ... A: All of them, then gets back to work 1everything is by consensus.
1263 5774 <flipzagging> well,<TimStarling> tiff_out_of_service? I'm confused about GENDER 1<TimStarling> like a sign on a vending machine?
1264 6045 * ^demon can give Bugzilla the lovin' it needs 1TimStarling> I managed to push a change, at least: http://github.com/tstarling/wikimedia-mobile/commit/d65daad76eb8df2b909b65fbac49c8c8b5e7d097 <Ashlee> I'm surprised you didn't just add an OBSOLETE file and import it into SVN. <TimStarling> I probably will if I have to do it a second time
1265 6045 <TimStarling> anyone here? <larne> don't ask if anyone's around<guillom> note to self: when you remove the power cord before adding your battery, just ask your question <TimStarling> thanks for that pearl of wisdom larne <larne> np 1the computer shuts itself down.
1266 6045 <guillom> I edit-conflicted myself on bugzilla ¬_¬ 1\ subscribed once, subscribed forever; you can never quit developing for MediaWiki
1271 6045 <adam_miller> End of the day ArticleAssessment commit.<Ashlee> Free as in beer. <Reedy> You've been lied to, Progress was made.there's no such thing as free beer <apergos> where is this mythical free beer of which you speak? True story. 1<Reedy> It's got strings attached <apergos> hahaha. see?
1272 5774 <TimStarling> no, I restarted it <TimStarling> properlyok problem solved, with a big kill -9 stick <TimStarling> not by touchy feely stuff 1wikipedians don't deserve action=parse
1274 12338 Q: How many Wikimedians does it take to change a light bulb? ... A: All of them, everything is by consensus. 1<^demon> !sequel is Reedy likes it when you say SQL as Sequel :D
1275 6045 <TimStarling> tiff_out_of_service? <TimStarling> like a sign on a vending machine? 1<avar> I can't believe it's not SQL!
1276 6045 TimStarling> I managed to push a change, at least: http://github.com/tstarling/wikimedia-mobile/commit/d65daad76eb8df2b909b65fbac49c8c8b5e7d097 <Ashlee> I'm surprised you didn't just add an OBSOLETE file and import it into SVN. <TimStarling> I probably will if I have to do it a second time 1<codurr> ^ SVN Sucks <Reedy> ^ What he just said <jorm> ^ What he just said
1277 5774 <guillom> note to self: when you remove the power cord before adding your battery, the computer shuts itself down. 1"I've always assumed that it was a feature...It might be a bug, sometimes it's hard to tell the difference round here." --DuncanHill
1278 9871 <guillom>\ subscribed once, subscribed forever; you can never quit developing for MediaWiki 1<Reedy> Computers Suck.
1281 6045 <Ashlee> Free as in beer. <Reedy> You've been lied to<felicity_> hm, there's no such thing as free beer <apergos> where is this mythical free beer of which you speak?so asterisk isn't as hard to use as it appears, <Reedy> It's got strings attached <apergos> hahaha.it's just badly documented <Reedy> Badly documented open source software? see? 1Well I never...
1283 5774 <TimStarling> ok problem solved,Huray! This is magic! I love the software. wikipedians don't deserve action=parse 1Thank you!!!
1285 6045 <^demon> !sequel is Reedy likes it when you say SQL as Sequel :D 1Q: How many programmers does it take to change a light bulb? ... A: Can't be done, it's a hardware problem.
1286 6045 <avar> I can't believe it's not SQL! 1<Reedy> 23:07, 6 June 2006 tim marked it deprecated <Reedy> heh <RoanKattouw> That's "only" 4 years and a few months ago
1287 6045 <codurr> ^ SVN Sucks <Reedy> ^ What he just said <jorm> ^ What he just said 1<RoanKattouw> Wait what <RoanKattouw> Proprietary software that does *not* run on Windows? <RoanKattouw> And it's not even Apple?
1288 5774 "I've always assumed that it was a feature...It might be a bug<RoanKattouw> It [UploadWizard] doesn't care if there were errors, sometimes it's hard to tell the difference round here." --DuncanHill 1it just moves on \ <vvv>That's a very Soviet behaviour
1289 6045 <Reedy> Computers Suck. 1<Reedy> !domas <mw-bot> I don't know anything about "domas". You might try: !blame !nosql
1290 6045 <felicity_> hm, so asterisk isn't as hard to use as it appears,<Reedy> i can't drink atm <freakolowsky> mouth glued shutt? it's just badly documented <Reedy> Badly documented open source software<^demon> freakolowsky: If his mouth was glued shut how could he talk to us right now? Well I never... 1<^demon> Stupid question.
1291 5774 Huray! This is magic! I love the software. Thank you!!! 1<ialex> Raymond_: why the hell you use $wgUser->getSkin() while being in a Skin object?
<^demon> IRC cabal already discussed this :p
1292 12338 Q: How many programmers does it take to change a light bulb?<Reedy> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23602#c7 * Reedy barfs <Reedy> danese, ...can you beat your contacts at apple around the head please? A: Can't be done,<Reedy> It seems they're trying to make me and Roan cry <ArtemisRich> Reedy: She's not actually looking at her computer right now...but I'll make a note of it. it's a hardware problem. 1(To Danese: please beat Apple) <felicity_> shitty code in an Apple product? that's impossible, everyone knows Apple is infallible and their products are completely perfect
1293 6045 <Reedy> 23:07, 6 June 2006 tim marked it deprecated <Reedy> heh <RoanKattouw> That's "only" 4 years and a few months ago 1<Reedy> i was trying to think of 3 letters swear words <ChristianAdamski> fuk ?
1294 6045 <RoanKattouw> Wait what <RoanKattouw> Proprietary software that does *not* run on Windows? <RoanKattouw> And it's not even Apple? 1I don't have bureaucrat access to my own life!
1296 6695 <RoanKattouw> It [UploadWizard] doesn't care if there were errors"Remove shitty ass useless fucking ampersands that just make it harder to avoid fucking strict notices" -- aaron, it just moves on \ <vvv>That's a very Soviet behaviour 1r35219
1297 6045 <Reedy> !domas <mw-bot> I don't know anything about "domas". You might try: !blame !nosql 1<brion> " Change version number from '1.6alpha' to '1.6devel' so know-it-alls who bitch about how we're running alpha software can shut the fuck up"
1298 6045 <Reedy> i can't drink atm <freakolowsky> mouth glued shutt? <^demon> freakolowsky: If his mouth was glued shut how could he talk to us right now? <^demon> Stupid question. 1<RoanKattouw> Lesson of the day: don't try to be clever and rename a directory /and/ the files in it in the same commit
1301 5774 <ialex> Raymond_: why the hell you use $wgUser->getSkin() while being in a Skin object? <Platonides> or at least they should be documented so we could reproduce it <p858snake> !b 1 | Platonides <mw-bot> Platonides: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1
1302 6045 <^demon> IRC cabal already discussed this :p 1<Dinoguy1000> now for more wierdness... has anyone told you your voice is sexy, brion? <brion> Dinoguy1000: actually yes, i am a sexy sexy man. what can i say?
1303 6045 <Reedy> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23602#c7 * Reedy barfs <Reedy> danese, can you beat your contacts at apple around the head please? <Reedy> It seems they're trying to make me and Roan cry <ArtemisRich> Reedy: She's not actually looking at her computer right now...but I'll make a note of it. (To Danese: please beat Apple) <felicity_> shitty code in an Apple product? that's impossible, everyone knows Apple is infallible and their products are completely perfect 1<TimStarling> I just had to figure out the contents of your LocalSettings.php using my extra-sensory powers
1304 5774 <Reedy> i was trying to think of 3 letters swear words <ChristianAdamski> fuk ? 1<Bryan> if this weren't goddamn wikimedia, I would be totally surprised that people are accusing each other about incivility about line breaks
1305 6118 I don't have bureaucrat access to my own life! 1<Bryan> I think complaining is general is good practice because it eventually improves MediaWiki <Reedy> <Bryan> I think complaining is general is good practice because it eventually improves .*?
1306 5674 "Remove shitty ass useless fucking ampersands that just make it harder to avoid fucking strict notices" -- aaron,<Reedy> LewisCawte, developers hate documentation. r35219 1{{fact|date=Start of time}}
1307 6045 <brion> " Change version number from '1.6alpha' to '1.6devel' so know-it-alls who bitch about how we're running alpha software can shut the fuck up" 1<TrevorParscal> dude, you have a deep fryer, how bad can you life really be?
1310 5774 <RoanKattouw> Lesson of the day: don't try to be clever and rename a directory /and/ the files in it in the same commit 1<Nikerabbit> RoanKattouw: what happened to $wgWhateverVersion? :o <RoanKattouw> We killed it with fire <RoanKattouw> May it rot in hell <^demon> \\$wg\\w+ sucks!
1311 9593 <Platonides> or at least they should be documented so we could reproduce it <p858snake> !b 1 | Platonides <mw-bot> Platonides: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 1<jorm> you kids these days, with your yum and apt-get and so forth. <jorm> in my day, installing stuff was *hard* <^demon> jorm: Yeah, must've sucked having to build all your library dependencies by hand. <^demon> Like, really sucked. <^demon> I pity you
1312 5774 <Dinoguy1000> now for more wierdness... has anyone told you your voice is sexy, brion? <brion> Dinoguy1000: actually yes, i am a sexy sexy man. what can i say? 1<RoanKattouw>: I wish we had a X-Squid-Dont-Mess-With-My-Headers-I-Know-What-Im-Doing-Just-Go-Away: true header
1313 5774 <TimStarling> I just had to figure out the contents of your LocalSettings.php using my extra-sensory powers 1<Nikerabbit> putting a cat in a microware result in a broken cat
1314 5774 <Bryan> if this weren't goddamn wikimedia, I would be totally surprised that people are accusing each other about incivility about line breaks 1<Sean_Colombo> RoanKattouw: I <3 you. Just sayin'.
1315 6045 <Bryan> I think complaining is general is good practice because it eventually improves MediaWiki <Reedy> <Bryan> I think complaining is general is good practice because it eventually improves .*? 1<domas> hmmmm, urwiki needs more lolcats
1316 6045 <Reedy> LewisCawte,<^demon> Long term evil plans :) <brion> that'd make a great domain name... developers hate documentation. {{fact|date=Start of time}} 1longtermevil.com <brion> not to be confused with google.com
1317 5774 <TrevorParscal> dude, you have a deep fryer, how bad can you life really be? 1<ashley> $wgEnableGlobals XD
1319 6045 <Nikerabbit> RoanKattouw: what happened to $wgWhateverVersion? :o <RoanKattouw> We killed it with fire <RoanKattouw> May it rot in hell <^demon> \\$wg\\w+ sucks! 1Social networking is like email on crack
1322 6045 <jorm> you kids these days, with your yum and apt-get and so forth. <jorm> in my day, installing stuff was *hard* <^demon> jorm: Yeah, must've sucked having to build all your library dependencies by hand. <^demon> Like, really sucked. <^demon> I pity you 1domas about DPL: "abandonware"
1323 10267 <RoanKattouw>: I wish we had a X-Squid-Dont-Mess-With-My-Headers-I-Know-What-Im-Doing-Just-Go-Away: true header 1<bawolff>\ Shirley: creating a wiki is like creating a baby, yes you should have a good reason to create one, but if you don't for whatever reason, you should have an _extra_ good reason for killing one
1327 5774 <Nikerabbit> putting a cat in a microware result in a broken cat 1Tim Starling: "Like the Christian concept of freedom from sin, we can only strive to fix bug 1, we can never actually fix it."
1333 5774 <Sean_Colombo> RoanKattouw: I <3 you. Just sayin'. 1[^demon] I miss the old days. When the only way you knew the site was updated was by watching the admin log or wikitech-l
1336 5953 <domas> hmmmm<TimStarling> when I wrote Preprocessor_DOM, urwiki needs more lolcats 1I left a cache-shaped hole in the code
1339 9593 <^demon> Long term evil plans :) <brion> that'd make a great domain name...It was protected by the "ssshhh, longtermevil.com <brion> not to be confused with google.com 1don't mention it" cipher ;-)
1341 8103 <ashley> $wgEnableGlobals XD 1"a programmer is someone who spends two weeks automating a task that takes 10 minutes"
1343 12031 Social networking is like email on crack 1<midnight426> Anyone know where in the MediaWiki source code is where it changes newlines to BRs and double-newlines to P HTML tags? <Bryan> midnight426: includes/parser/Parser.php <Bryan> (you don't want to look into that)
1344 5674 domas about DPL: "abandonware" 1<bawolff>: I don't think anyone has every used "that makes sense" in reference to mediawiki:Sidebar before, ever. :P
1345 5674 <bawolff>\ Shirley: creating a wiki is like creating a baby, yes you should have a good reason<^demon>: I actually interact with other human beings face to create one,face. but if you don't for whatever reason<^demon>: I know, you should have an _extra_ good reason for killing one 1I'm weird like that
1346 5674 Tim Sr83994 * tstarling: "Like the Christian concept of freedom from sin, we can only strive to fix bug 1 * Committing so I can revert it without being too sad.<br />r83995 * tstarling * Revert r83994, we can never actually fix it." 1no longer needed
1347 12102 [^demon] I miss the old days.Psychosis>\ well the solution is simple, just delete PPFrame_DOM::expand() and Parser::braceSubstitution() domas>\ :***** \ <domas>\ I want your babies \ <Psychosis>\ that won't break anything will it? When the only way you knew the site was updated was by watching the admin log or wikitech-l 1:)
1348 5774 <TimStarling> when I wrote Preprocessor_DOM,Anyway, my suggestion would be to recognize that it becomes skull-explodingly impossible to address every imaginable concern in a single poll/RfC/whatever. I left a cache-shaped hole in the code 1--Tryptofish
1349 3216 <^demon> It was protected by the "ssshhh,"There's no reason C code can't be secure, beautiful and readable. don't mention it" cipher ;-) 1It's just a matter of good habits." --Tim Starling
1350 6045 "a programmer is someone who spends two weeks automating a task that takes 10 minutes" 1Whether you use Git or Subversion, you still need people with brains reading code (Tim)
1354 6045 <midnight426> Anyone know where in the MediaWiki source code is where it changes newlines to BRs and double-newlines to P HTML tags? <Bryan> midnight426: includes/parser/Parser.php <Bryan> (you don't want to look into that) 1<Daniel_WMDE> using mediawiki as a one-person notepad is like mowing your lawn with a tank
1355 1 <bawolff>: I don't think anyone has every used "that makes sense" in reference to mediawiki:Sidebar before, ever. :P 1* ^demon whistles while mw compiles <^demon|away> thank god <^demon|away> we can finally use the "My code's compiling" excuse!
1356 11554 <^demon>: I actually interact with other human beings face to face. <^demon>: I know, I'm weird like that 1<p858snake|l> most places don't need that though <p858snake|l> so its pointless to add it <Happy-melon> that's pretty much the definition of an extension
1357 3216 r83994 * tstarling * Committing so I can revert it without being too sad.<br />r83995 * tstarling * Revert r83994, no longer needed 1<brion_>\ the road to hell is paved 40 bytes at a time
1358 6695 Psychosis>\ well the solution is simple, just delete PPFrame_DOM::expand() and Parser::braceSubstitution() domas>\ :***** \ <domas>\ I want your babies \ <Psychosis>\ that won't break anything will it<vvv> What's the current development/deployment model we use? :) 1<Nikerabbit> Commit then flee!
1359 1890 Anyway, my suggestion would be to recognize that it becomes skull-explodingly impossible to address every imaginable concern in a single poll/RfC/whateverThere's only one thing worse than magic: hidden magic. --Tryptofish 1(Hannes Landeholm)
1369 1890 "There's no reason C code can't be secure, beautiful and readable. It's just a matter of good habits." --Tim Starling 1<brion> why do jquery.each and jquery.map have different param orders on their callbacks :PPP <Reedy> Sounds something like PHP would do
1370 3324 Whether you use Git or SubversionTimStarling: "It should be harder for future developers to screw up. I don't really trust developers to read comments, you still need people with brains reading code (Tim) 1even when they are written in capitals."
1372 5774 <Daniel_WMDE> using mediawiki as a one-person notepad is like mowing your lawn with a tank 1<yuvipanda> is there an API for search? * yuvipanda rtfms <Reedy> yes <Reedy> yuvipanda, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php <Reedy> press ctrl + f <Reedy> type words <Reedy> PROFIT
1377 9593 * ^demon whistles while mw compiles <^demon|away> thank god <^demon|away> we can finally use the "My code's compiling" excuse! 1<domas> folks, we need to add more slaves to db9/db10. so that when someone runs 6 hour INSERT statement, more slaves get lagged by that much. :)
1378 6695 <p858snake|l> most places don't need that though <p858snake|l> so its pointless to add it <Happy-melon> that's pretty much the definition of an extension 1"And yes, I know the tests take forever to run. Get yourself a fast machine with an SSD..." --Rasmus Lerdorf
1379 2959 <brion_>\ the road to hell is paved 40 bytes at a time 1hashar: Oh, I saw #wysiwyg in your identity card, and I thought it was your surname
1382 13458 <vvv> What's the current development/deploymhashar: Roan> why arent model we use?you with us! <Nikerabbit> Commit then flee! 1you are alone in your room when you could be... hacking with us!
1383 3324 There's only one thing worse than magic: hidden magic<^demon>\ You can join the mile-high club. (Hannes Landeholm) 1\ <^demon>\ The elite few who've fixed the site from 40k feet.
1385 6045 <brion> why do jquery.each and jquery.map have different param orders on their callbacks :PPP <Reedy> Sounds something like PHP would do 1<gmaxwell> Man, Does this mean that wikimedia uses animal testing?
1386 6045 TimStarling: "It should be harder for future developers to screw up.< Reedy> Ryan_Lane, I don't really trust developers to read comments,we're nearly at internet pollution saturation point! even when they are written in capitals." 1< Ryan_Lane> delete delete delete!
1388 6045 <yuvipanda> is there an API for search? * yuvipanda rtfms <Reedy> yes <Reedy> yuvipanda, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php <Reedy> press ctrl + f <Reedy> type words <Reedy> PROFIT 12011-05-15 <wikibugs>: (FIXED) Wikimedia cluster should reverts back to MediaWiki 1.3 - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28984
1389 3475 <domas> folks, we need to add more slaves to db9/db10."Also, so that when someone runs 6 hour INSERT statement,there is both a Brion and a Bryan. more slaves get lagged by that much. :) 1There is no such thing as a Bryon though." (bug 20512)
1391 5774 "And yes, I know the tests take forever to run.<^demon> I love my mom, Get yourself a fast machine with an SSD..." --Rasmus Lerdorf 1but I don't let her touch the preprocessor.
1392 3324 hashar: OhIf this is bad in any way, please change. If it's not, I saw #wysiwyg in your identity cardjust let it be and don't demand I make a mathematical proof of the universe making sense :p -Jeroen De Dauw
<TimStarling> binasher: I like you, and I thought it was your surname 1why weren't you here two years ago?
1393 2 hashar: <Roan> why arent you with us! you are alone in your room when you could be..Kattouw> This is embarrassing. hacking with us! 1It's 3am in Sydney and Tim still has the best ideas
1396 6695 <^demon>\ You can join the mile-high club. \ <^demon>\ The elite few who've fixed the site from 40k feet. 1<TimStarling> ehcache > mysql
1401 5774 <gmaxwell> Man<Reedy> domas, Does this mean that wikimedia uses animal testing? 1you might've just killed the site... <domas> I know
1402 13672 < Reedy> Ryan_Lane,domas: "who are you, and on what did you base your opinion? we're nearly at internet pollution saturation point!in the end, < Ryan_Lane> delete delete delete! 1everything is a user issue, we shouldn't do anything."
1403 11554 2011-05-15 <wikibugs>: (FIXED) Wikimedia cluster should reverts back to MediaWiki 1.3 - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28984 1[jorm] Nobody noticed and it got deployed at least to TranslateWiki, where they started to cry...
1404 11554 "Also,You have written the patch? there is both a BrAnd you have regression and a Bryan.tested it? There is no such thing as a Bryon thSorry, can't release not enough." (bug 20512) 1 developer time.
1406 1 <^demon> I love my mom,<Myra> "Why aren't there more people to help me whenever I demand it? but I don't let her touch the preprocessor. 1What do I pay you people for???"
1407 1890 If this is bad in any wayTim: "Years ago, please changeI tested LOCK IN SHARE MODE on InnoDB. If it's not, just let it be and don't demand I make a mathematical proof of the universe making sense :p -Jeroen De Dauw 1I was unable to find a use for it apart from error generation."
1408 7541 <TimStarling> binasher: I like you, why weren't you here two years ago? 1<brion> we can't read your computer's mind so don't know what to check until we can see some of it ;-)
1409 7541 <RoanKattouw> This is embarrassing. It's 3am in Sydney and Tim still has the best ideas 1<brion> man what did i come into this channel to do like 4 hours ago :) // Brion loves helping :D
1410 5774 <TimStarling> ehcache > mysql 1<brion> "Like this revert on Facebook"
1411 7541 <Reedy> domas<neilk_>\ hey, you might've just killed the site...I don't know if you've noticed, <domas> I know 1but we run like a metric assload of wikis.
1414 6045 domas: "who are you, and on what did you base your opinion? in the end, everything is a user issue<RoanKattouw> For $7k, we shyou couldn't do anything." 1 get a very nice $2k laptop and spend the rest on a lavish vacation to Australia or something
1415 1 [jorm] Nobody noticed and it got deployed at least to TranslateWiki, where they started to cry... 1<TimStarling> it's hard to be serious when you're talking about time travel
1417 1347 You have written the patch? And you have regression tested it?Brion on image rotation: Poop! SorryNobody wants sideways coffee, can't release not enough developer time. 1it’ll just spill all over that shiny laptop.
1427 5774 <Myra> "Why aren't there more people to help me whenever I demand it?<ulfr> Alright, What do I pay you people for???" 1I just have to assume it's fueled by black magic and sorcery then <^demon> Yeah, there's a lot of that.
1428 6695 Tim: "Years ago, I tested LOCK IN SHARE MODE on InnoDB.<Reedy> If in doubt, I was unable to find a use for it apart from error generation." 1escape moar
1429 5774 <brion> we can't read your computer's mind so don't know what to check until we can see some of it ;-) 1neilk: There are a million subtle ways in which this just won't be the web, and it will drive people nuts. You can forget about user scripts. Or your browser extension that does spellcheck in Linear B or whatever.
1430 2 <brion> man what did i come into this channel to do like 4 hours ago :) // Brion loves helping :D 1<Nikerabbit> I looked the code for rlike and didn't find where it does this. Can you point me to it? <vvv> $pattern = preg_replace( '!(\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\)*(\\\\\\\\)?/!', '$1\\/', $pattern ); <Nikerabbit> I thought that was ascii art :)
1431 12380 <brion> "Like this revert on Facebook" 1<^demon|away> git is scarier than puppet. <robla> that's sorta like saying "amputation is scarier than eye surgery"
1433 2959 <neilk_>\ hey, I don't know if you've noticed, but we run like a metric assload of<mark> I like disruptive progress <RoanKattouw> haha <RoanKattouw> It's the wikis. 1 way
1437 5774 <RoanKattouw> For $7k, you could get a very nice $2k laptop and spend the rest on a lavish vacation to Australia or something 1<^demon>It's 20-f'ing-11 and we don't have conflict detection on UserRights.\ ^demon facepalms
1440 5774 <TimStarling> it's hard to be serious when you're talking about time travel 1<johnduhart> Really? Semantic Web Browser? <^demon> Someone still needs to write Semantic Release Notes. <^demon> And Semantic Special:Version
1441 5674 Brion on image rotation: Poop!Essentially, Nobody wants sideways coffeethe recaching operation could be doing ~35 times fewer queries, it’ll just spill all over that shiny laptop. 1that should help. --Roan
1445 5774 <ulfr> Alright,"write this cool application that helps us hire people easier! I just have to assume it's fueled by black magic and sorcery then <^demon> YeahOkay, there's a lot of that. 1now write an app that helps us fire those same people!" -- jorm on reedit
1448 7001 <Reedy> If in doubt,We must believe in free will. We have no choice. -- Isaac B. escape moar 1Singer
1452 3948 neilk: There are a million subtle ways in which this just won't be the web, and it will drive people nuts. You can forget about user scripts. Or your browser extension that does spellcheck in Linear B or whatever. 1<Aaron|home>\ 1% of the error types are responsible for 99% of the output
1453 6702 <Nikerabbit> I looked the code for rlike and didn't find where it does this. Can you point me to it? <vvv> $pattern = preg_replace( '!(\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\)*(\\\\\\\\)?/!', '$1\\/', $pattern ); <Nikerabbit> I thought that was ascii art :) 1<mutante> root is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
1460 5774 <^demon|away> git is scarier than puppet.< hasharCodeReview> PHP SUCKS A**!!!! we can't do stuff like : continue if( $foo === 'bar' ); < TimStarling> or ($C,$_,@\\)=(($a=$/[1]*4)*5+1, q||x(0x20).q|\\||.chr(32)x(0x10).q$*$.chr(0x20)x(0x10).(pack("CC",124,10)), sub{s/.\\|(\\s*?)(\\S)./\\|$1$2/}, sub{s/\\|(\\s*?).(\\S)/ \\|$1$2 /}, sub{$2.$1.$3},sub{$tt=(3*$tt+7)%$C}, <robla> that's sorta like saying "amputation is scarier than eye surgery" 1sub{$1.$3.$2});
1461 11475 <mark> I like disruptive progress <RoanKattouw> haha <RoanKattouw> It's the wiki way 1<hashar>\ you know, sometime people just make mistakes\ <MaxSem>\ for some of them, they get executed <MaxSem>\ it's life
1464 6695 <^demon>It's 20-f'ing-11 and we don't have conflict detection on UserRights.\ ^demon facepalms 1Your chicken, your egg, your problem.
1465 9593 <johnduhart> Really? Semantic Web Browser? <^demon> Someone still needs to write Semantic Release Notes. <^demon> And Semantic Special:Version 1<OrenBo> what's an nfs server amongst friends?
1466 5774 Essentially, the recaching operation could be doing ~35 times fewer queries, that should help. --Roan 1<varnent> it's hard to bump a Bishop from one's schedule <sumanah> varnent: just move them diagonally?
1467 2 "write this cool application that helps us hire people easier! Okay,<brion> i am ... now write an app that helps us fire those same people!" -- jorm on reedit 1baffled
1468 11554 We must believe in free will. We have no choice. -- Isaac B. Singer 1< LauraHale> And then I procrastinated by going to a seminar on procrastination.
<gwicke>\ after flying back I debugged Barack Obama
1469 2959 <Aaron|home>\ 1% of the error types are responsible for 99% of the output 1[15:07] binasher: it might have worked if i escaped the $ but ghetto backticks work there for sure
1471 7541 <mutante> root is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. 1<Morbus> did mediawiki get native zebra striping in 1.17 or 1.18? <TimStarling> zebras are not native to mediawiki <TimStarling> they live in africa
1474 3216 < hasharCodeReview> PHP SUCKS A**!!!! we can't do stuff like : continue if( $foo === 'bar' ); < TimStarling> or ($C,$_,@\\)=(($a=$/[1]*4)*5+1, q||x(0x20).q|\\||.chr(32)x(0x10).q$*$.chr(0x20)x(0x10).(pack("CC",124,10)), sub{s/.\\|(\\s*?)(\\S)./\\|$1$2/}, sub{s/\\|(\\s*?).(\\S)/ \\|$1$2 /}, sub{$2.$1.$3},sub{$tt=(3*$tt+7)%$C}[18:57] TimStarling: puppet likes user crontabs for some reason [19:01] TimStarling: I fixed this once already, sub{$1.$3.$2}); 1but it looks like it has been very carefully unfixed
1477 2959 <hashar>\ you know, sometime people just make mistakes\ <MaxSem>\ for some of themDespite the name, they get executed <MaxSem>\ it's life 1this MWDebug class doesn't handle debug logging -- Tim on r105123
1478 13064 Your chicken, your egg, your problem. 1<TimStarling> so a function returns null and we see sweden's coat of arms everywhere.
1479 11475 <OrenBo> what's an nfs server amongst friends? 1[18:14]\ TimStarling\ unfortunately my psychic debugging skills don't extend as far as actually telling you what line of code the issue is in
1480 11475 <varnent> it's hard to bump a Bishop from one's schedule <sumanah> varnent: just move them diagonally? 1<MrZ-man> though knowing MediaWiki, its probably still confusing to use - $wgDontNotUnDisenableInstantCommons
1481 13458 <brion> i am ...<^demon> Docs exist solely for developers to go "omg you didn't read the docs!" when people ask common questions. In practice, baffled 1nobody reads docs before asking questions.
1482 3216 < LauraHale> And then I procrastinated by go<Ryan_Lane> drphil: I would also like to receive help with putting to a seminar on procrastination. 1passion back into my relationship with preilly
1483 6695 <gwicke>\ after flying back I debugged Barack Obama 1God gave us offset parameters for a reason. -- Tim Starling at r88883#c17334
1487 1890 [15:07] binasher: it might have worked if i escap<awjr> i heard you wanted the $ but ghetto backo chat about my sticks work there for sure 1y cookies?
1488 12380 <Morbus> did mediawiki get native zebra striping in 1.17 or 1.18? <TimStarling> zebras are not native to mediawiki <TimStarling> they live in africa 1brion wanders off into svg dreamland… leaving a <path> of breadcrumbs for his return
1489 1890 [18:57] TimStarling: puppet likes user crontabs for some reason [19:01] TimStarling: I fixed this once already<Nemo_bis> lol, but it looks like it has been very carefully unfixed 1did you have to flood the channel like that to fix a space <Nikerabbit> Nemo_bis: yes I always give more or less information than requested
1490 2 Despite the name, this MWDebug class doesn't handle debug logging -- Tim on r105123 1<hashar> brion: it is good to see you merging changes <hashar> can't wait for some CAPSLOCK revert message :-D <brion> WHAT COME ON I'M NICE
1492 6695 <TimStarling> so a function returns null and we see sweden's coat of arms everywhere. 1<Ryan_Lane> I want to stab someone right now <Ryan_Lane> I'm going to take a little bit to find who did this <Ryan_Lane> and I'm going to stab them
1494 1890 [18:14]\ TimStarling\ unfortunately my psychic debugging skills don't extend as far as actually telling you what line of code the issue is in 1<preilly> yo dawn I heard you like YuviPanda so I put some YuviPanda in your YuviPanda
1500 4404 <MrZ-man> though knowing MediaWiki,<Reedy> $copyright = $copyright; its probably still confusing to use - $wgDontNotUnDisenableInstantCommons 1<Reedy> lol
1506 14131 <^demon> Docs exist solely for developers to go "omg you didn't read the docs!" when people ask common questions. In practice, nobody reads docs before asking questions. 1<robla> git off my lawn <-see what i did there?
1507 13458 <Ryan_Lane> drphil: I would also like to receive help with putting passion back into my relationship with preilly 1"What you see here in this issue is one of the edge cases (how often do you use large numbers in PHP?) where it does not work well." -nikic@php.net
1508 12368 God gave us offset parameters for a reason.<Jens_WMDE> i must say, Reedy looks nothing like I imagined. when i heard that the british devop/infrastructure guy is to come over, -- Tim Starling at r88883#c17334 1I imagined a unix wizard with a Gandalf-style beard :)
1513 13458 <awjr> i heard you wanted to chat about my sticky cookies? 1[11:03]\ RoanKattouw\ When I say "the US" I really mean "the entire world except Europe"
1518 13458 brion wanders off into svg dreamland… leaving a <path> of breadcrumbs for his return 1<Damianz> The only time I reboot is when I move house
1522 7541 <Nemo_bis> lol,<Reedy> $oldLang = $wgLang; $wgLang='en'; wfMsg( 'foobar' ); did you have to flood the channel like that to fix a space <Nikerabbit> Nemo_bis: yes I always give more or less information than requested 1$wgLang=$oldLang;
1527 6702 <hashar> brion: it is good to see you merging changes <hashar> can't wait for some CAPSLOCK revert message :-D <brion> WHAT COME ON I'M NICE 1<Qcoder00> I've found a bug <Nikerabbit> I've found hundreds... I usually report them to bugzilla.wikimedia.org
1528 13458 <Ryan_Lane> I want to stab someone right now <Ryan_Lane> I'm going to take a little bit to find who did this <Ryan_Lane> and I'm going to stab them 1[21:36]\ TimStarling\ fusion power is just a sci-fi fantasy designed to keep physicists in jobs
1529 13458 <preilly> yo dawn I heard you like YuviPanda so I put some YuviPanda in your YuviPanda 108:47 < yuvipanda> Growing up sucks, since you can no longer freely attentionwhore
1537 13458 <Reedy> $copyright = $copyright;<TimStarling> I mean, if you configure CN to give a banner to 50% of people, <Reedy> lol 1you wouldn't be surprised when it gets an impression rate equal to 50% of page views
1539 6702 <robla> git off my lawn <-see what i did there? 1<saper> what's a084ddab1f6b0ed412a2e722732db3b1cebfea35 ? <Reedy> A hash <saper> "They gave me technically correct, but completely useless answer."
1541 1890 "What you see here in this issue is one of the edge cases (how often do you use large numbers in PHP?) where it does not work well." -nikic@php.net 1<Reedy> Mobile staff are weird. <Reedy> Can we all join in?
1542 6045 <Jens_WMDE> i must say, Reedy looks nothing like I imagined. when i heard that the british devop/infrastructure guy is to come over, I imagined a unix wizard with a Gandalf-style beard :) 1<tfinc> i'm just wrapping my brion around all of this
1544 1890 [11:03]\ RoanKattouw\ When I say "the US" I really mean "the entire world except Europe" 1<Schroeder> hello i want to pruchase mediawicci but i cant find a place to purchase it on microsoft website
1545 14131 <Damianz> The only time I reboot is when I move house 1<muqman> hey, i am using the alpha so do i just rename the file: skins/myskin/MySkin.i18n.php to: skins/myskin/MySkin.i20n.php?
1546 3755 <Reedy> $oldLang = $wgLang; $wgLang='en'; wfMsg( 'foobar' );<liangent> why can't I see AAAA records with: dig @ns0.wikimedia.org en.wikipedia.org? $wgLang=$oldLang; 1<mark> need new glasses?
1548 5774 <Qcoder00> I've found a bug <Nikerabbit> I've found hundreds... I usually report them to bugzilla.wikimedia.org 1<MaxSem> thus all the recognition lies on the shoulders of squid <MaxSem> AND SQUIDS DON'T HAVE SHOULDERS!
1549 1890 [21:36]\ TimStarling\ fusion power is just a sci-fi fantasy designed to keep physicists in jobs 1"Ben Loblaugh (blobaugh): FileRepo refactoring, Azure support ... Sorry, that should be 'Ben Lobaugh'. I blame Sumana for the Arrested Development jokes." --Tim Starling
1551 7001 08:47 < yuvipanda> Growing up sucks,You can't win against a unicorn, you just can't. since you can no longer freely attentionwhore 1--RobLa
1552 5774 <TimStarling> I mean, if you configure CN to give a banner to 50% of people,<awjr> i am so in love with git stash. you wouldn't be surprised when it gets an impression rate equal to 50% of page views 1<awjr> don't tell sarah.
1553 13458 <saper> what's a084ddab1f6b0ed412a2e722732db3b1cebfea35 ?<RoanKattouw> I'm sure terrorists use Microsoft Excel to manage stuff, that doesn't mean Microsoft supports terrorism, <Reedy> A hash <saper> "They gave me technically correct,right? but completely useless answer." 1;)
1555 13458 <Reedy> Mobile staff are weird.<TimStarling> what does +1 mean anyway? <Reedy> Can we all join in? 1Brooke> Reviewer has a working mouse.
1556 13458 <tfinc> i'm just wrapping my briI also vote for any proposal which increases the number of kittens I get to view on around all of this 1 daily basis. -- Leslie Carr
1567 3324 <Schroeder> hello i want to pruchase mediawicci but i cant find a place to purchase it on microsoft website 1< harej> This Wikimedia thing is awesome. They hold business meetings on this archaic communication platform from the 80s!
1568 3324 <muqman> hey<@^demon> Ok, i am using the alpha so do i just rename the file: skins/myskin/MySkin.i18n.php to: skins/myskin/MySkin.i20n.php? 1bot's been in timeout long enough. Now, is everyone going to stop treating it like it's a toy? Bots are serious business :)
1574 3216 <liangent> why can't I see AAAA records with: dig @ns0.wikimedia.org en.wikipedia.org?<bawolff> ^demon: Holy shit gerrit looks beautiful! <mark> need new glasses? 1bawolff> That's all I came on irc to say
1577 13458 <MaxSem> thus all the recognition lies on the shoulders of squid <MaxSem> AND SQUIDS DON'T HAVE SHOULDERS! 1marktraceur> siebrand, high priest of l10n, has decreed it so. Let us feast and be thankful.
1580 13064 "Ben Loblaugh (blobaugh): FileRepo refactoring, Azure support ...<user> !blame <wm-bot> Whatever happened, Sorry,it's Domas' fault. that should be 'Ben Lobaugh'.For everything else, I blame Sumana for the Arrested Development jokes." --Tim Starling 1there's `svn blame`.
1585 5774 You can't win against a unicorn, you just can't. --RobLa 1<TimStarling> doc comments are docs that's why they are called doc comments
1586 3755 <awjr> i am so in love with git stash. <awjr> don't tell sarah. 1<jorm> Please let us know when it is feasible to execute you.
1594 5774 <RoanKattouw> I'm sure terrorists use Microsoft Excel to manage stuff, that doesn't mean Microsoft supports terrorism, right? ;) 1Brooke> I try emoticons sometimes.
1595 6702 <TimStarling> what does +1 mean anyway?jorm: If you ask nicely, <Brooke> Reviewer has a working mouse. 1I'm certain we can send you some chicken pox.
TimStarling> so it doesn't matter how fast your language is, it's always possible to write slow code in it
1596 11872 I also vote for any proposal which increases the number of kittens I get to view on a daily basis.<ashley> because fuuuuuuuck, -- Leslie Carr 1CSS and JS on WMF wikis is a big fucking mess <ashley> (feel free to quote me on that ;-) I know what I'm talking about)
1597 3216 < harej> This Wikimedia thing is awesome. They hold business meetings on this archaic communication platform from the 80s! 1<marktraceur> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39746 <-- incidentally, "Funky Array Magic" is the new name for my band
1598 3216 <@^demon> Ok<^demon> I'm finishing off the puppet manifest and rebuilding the whole instance. <hashar> would it need a component on the receiving instance or is that just about having a git daemon listening? <Ironholds> it's cute how you guys have this conversation like those are real words ;)
Yes, bot's been in timeout long enoughwhat the world needs is another horribly confusingly named foundation. NowAfter we establish the MediaWiki Foundation, is everyone going to stop treating it like it's a toy?we can start work on the MikiWedia Foundation and the WediaMiki Foundation. Bots are serious business :) 1;-) -- MZMMcBride
1600 5774 <<marktraceur> bawolff> ^demon: Holy shit gerrit looks beautiful!: Welcome to 2012, how was the trip? <bawolff> That's all I came on irc to say 1marktraceur: scary
1603 7541 marktraceur> siebrand, high priest of l10n, has decreed it so. Let us feast and be thankful. 1<domas> I love that Reedy doesn't have root <domas> I don't trust him anyway
1604 3216 <user> !blame <wm-bot> What<domas> omg 1.5 <domas> don't trust reedy with shell <domas> he will deploy 1.5 ever happened, iywhere <Reedy> It's Domas' fault.the future! For everything else, there's `svn blame`. 1<Brooke> 1.5 is bigger than 1.20. Everyone knows that...
1605 3216 <TimStarling> doc comments are docs that's why they are called doc comments 1fix syntax terror. [r80249]
1606 3216 <jorm> Please let us know when it is feasible to execute you. 1<[KrusheR]> ashley should i use git or svn repositories? <ashley> as much as I hate saying this, git; since WMF will not support SVN from mid-2013 onwards and TWN plans to drop i18n & l10n support for SVN extensions in October 2012 (IIRC), I've had to move the things I wrote to git, despite that I'm not a git fan at all <Brooke> ashley: Git happens.
1607 7541 Brooke> I try emoticons sometimes. 1'The real WTF is the common perception that unit testing wastes time rather than saving it. A software project that's in trouble "doesn't have time for unit testing". In the same way that person facing a tiger "doesn't have time buy a gun".' - arty, thedailywtf.com
1608 13458 jorm: If<MatmaRex> and what are you ask nicelysuggesting i do, I'm certain we can send you some chicgather up random people from #wikipedia-XX and have them come here and shout at you in broken pox. 1english? :/
1609 7541 TimStarling> so it doesn't matter how fast your language is<emijrp> Coordinating people to write encyclopedias was expensive. Well, it's always possible to write slow code in it 1until 2001.
1610 5953 <ashley> because fuuuuuuuck,<Eloquence> Every time I enter a query into Gerrit's search box my mind is prepared for an Application Error overlay. CSS and JS on WMF wikis is a big fucking mess <ashley> (feel free to quote me on that ;-) I know what I'm talking about) 1It's like a small electric shock performed by the UI.
1613 15257 <marktraceur> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39746 <-- incidentally,* saper wants to have Ph.D. "Funky Array Magic" is the new name for my band 1on differences between 'git checkout' and 'git reset'
1614 15103 <^demon> I'm finishing off the puppet manifest and rebuilding the whole instance. <hashar> would it need a component on the receiving instance or is that just about having a git daemon listening? <Ironholds> it's cute how you guys have this conversation like those are real words ;) 1Any advice that includes use of a time machine may be safely disregarded.
1616 15973 Yes, what the world needs is another horribly confusingly named foundation. After we establish the MediaWiki Foundation, we can start work on the MikiWedia Foundation and the WediaMiki Foundation.<Sid-G> This is a sufficiently advanced bug, ;-) -- MZMMcBride 1it is a feature.
1617 15257 <marktraceur> bawolff: Welcome to 2012, how was the trip<ToAruShiroiNeko> domas are you around by any chance? <bawolff> marktraceur: scary 1domas> nope
1618 6045 <domas> I love that Reedy doesn't have root <domas> I don't trust him anyway 1Last time I checked, JavaScript didn't have the ability to generate different attributes depending on whether or not its host segfaults.
1619 6045 <domas> omg 1.5 <domas> don't trust reedy with shell <domas> he will deploy 1.5 everywhere <Reedy> It's the future![Relative URIs] They're not not recommended, <Brooke> 1.5 is bigger than 1.20.it just says their usage is rare. Which is a statement that was true in '05, Everyone knows that... 1and which we made false in '11. –RoanKattouw
1621 5953 fix syntax terror.<kaldari> jesus! [r80249] 1this is the artcle on Islam!
1622 7001 <[KrusheR]> ashley should i use git or svn repositories? <ashley> as much as I hate saying this, git; since WMF will not support SVN from mid-2013 onwards and TWN plans to drop i18n & l10n support for SVN extensions in October 2012 (IIRC), I've had to move the things I wrote to git< sumanah> I have just discovered that Roan is a GitHub repo https://github.com/cobrateam/roan specifically, despite that I'm not a git fan at all <Brooke> ashley: Git happens. 1he is a per-model url purging Django app "Roan uses only an optional setting: ROAN_PURGE_URL"
1624 1890 'The real WTF is the common perception that unit testing wastes time rather than saving itSilke> I am not a coder so I did not realize I have to ask for a style guide before starting. A software project that's in trouble "doesn't have time for unit testing"Now I got a lot of contradictory comments from the "tabs vs. In the same way that person facing a tiger "doesn't have time buy a gun".' - artyspaces universe", thedailywtf.com 1but nobody has actually given me feedback
1627 5953 <MatmaRex> and what are you suggesting i do<MarkTraceur> Then again, I've seen projects in the past that just used free licenses for convenience, gather up random people from #wikipedia-XX and have them come here and shout at you in broken english?so if you don't actually want people to use free software, :/ 1you could probably ignore this safely.
1628 5953 <emijrp> Coordinating people to write encyclopedias was expensive.<TimStarling> just saying, Wellsince I'm a java developer, until 2001. 1I have to tell you that PHP is not a real language and you couldn't possibly do anything complex in it
1631 5953 <Eloquence> Every time I enter a query into Gerri<TimStarling> "AssumbleUploadChunks" <-- That's search box my mind is prepared for an Application Error overlaynot how you spell assemble. It's like a small electric shock performed by the UI. 1<TimStarling> "Re-assable" <-- Neither is that.
1632 3216 * saper wants to have Ph.D. on differences between 'git checkout'<aharoni> I could test Mongolian myself - I know the Mongolian alphabet and 'git reset' 1it was easy.
1648 13064 Any advice that includes use of a time machine may be safely disregarded. 1<ori-l> Susan: the problem w/having an abrasive genius as a role model is that it's generally much easier to emulate abrasiveness than genius
1649 11554 <Sid-G> This is a sufficiently advanced bug, it is a feature. 1Nikerabbit> I've missed writing docs
1651 6045 <ToAruShiroiNeko> domas are you around by any chance?[Wiki read-only for update] emacsen> I have an opinion I want to force on others! <domas> nope 1How can I do that without the wiki?!
1654 1890 Last time I checked<jorm> Can we just agree from this day forward that "put it in your user css" is not an acceptable solution for any problem, JavaScript didn't have the ability to generate different attributes depending on whether or not its host segfaults. 1ever?
1655 7541 [Relative URIs] They're not not recommended, it just says their usage is rare. Which is a statement that was true in '05, and which we made false in '11. –RoanKattouw 1<TimStarling> E3Experiments <TimStarling> let's nuke it from orbit
1656 15257 <kaldari> jesus! this is the artcle on Islam! 1<TimStarling> shutting down the datacentre in tampa would obviously be a bigger win for technical spending than removing the watchers count from action=info
1657 3216 < sumanah> I have just discovered that Roan is a GitHub repo https://github.com/cobrateam/roan specificallyIsarra: "I mean trusted like how we trust, say, he is a per-model url purging Django app "Roan uses only an optional setting: ROAN_PURGE_URL" 1YuviPanda to not do anything stupid because he's competent and reliable and stuff."
1659 7541 Silke> I am not a coder so I did not realize I have to ask for a style guide before starting. Now I got a lot of contradictory comments from the "tabs vs. spaces universe",<tfinc> ugh.. but nobody has actually given me feedback 1i hate Xcode updates <brion> what you don't love downloading 2-3 gigs of dev tools over and over again?
1660 7541 <MarkTraceur> Then again<Nemo_bis> thought that your "can not reproduce" meant "I see always without parentheses"
<hashar> mediawiki has been written by a biotechnologist, a cinema student, I've seen projects in the past that just used free licenses for conveniencea poker player, so if you don't actually want people to use free software,a quantic computer doctor and others. you could probably ignore this safely. 1None were PHP expert, so you can definitely help.
1661 6045 <TimStarling> just saying, since I'm a java developer,<Ryan_Lane> are there docs for this anywhere? <@^demon> Hahahahaha. I have to tell you that PHP is not a real language and you couldn't possibly do anything complex in it 1You must be new here.
1667 15257 <TimStarling> "AssumbleUploadChunks" <-- That's not how you spell assemble.are you saying you think something is calling putenv("TZ=BST") on our servers? <TimStarling> "Re-assable" <-- Neither is that. 1grepping MW+extensions for putenv shows no such code
1682 2 <aharoni> I could test Mongolian myself - I know the Mongolian alphabet and it was easy. 18:11 ori-l: relax everyone, i'm here. 18:11 ori-l: i'll proceed to assist tim by making uninformed guesses about what might be the issue
1685 4404 <ori-l> Susan: the problem w/having an abrasive genius as a role model is that it's generally much easier to emulate abrasiveness than genius 1<TimStarling> springle: Elsie doesn't appear to know what he is talking about <TimStarling> so don't let him distract you
1686 7541 Nikerabbit> I've missed writing docs 1I think it's better to have well-managed, versioned cruft than chaotic cruft. -- Tim Starling
1687 7541 [Wiki read-only for update] emacsen> I have an opinion I want to force on others! How can I do that without the wiki?! 1<jdlrobson> MaxSem: Seems that after creating a page called Foo my tests are breaking :(
1691 3948 <jorm> Can we just agree from this day forward that "put it in your user css" is not an acceptable solution for any problem, ever? 1<wikibugs> (NEW) CirrusSearch: Prefix search for “L’Oréal” and “L Oréal” should match [[L'Oréal]] - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/58702 <Reedy> It's because they're worth it.
1702 6045 <TimStarling> E3Experiments <TimStarling> let's nuke it from orbit 1<Reedy> In non Soviet America, MaxSem watch you
1703 6045 <TimStarling> shutting down the datacentre in tampa would obviously be a bigger win for technical spending than removing the watchers count from action=info 121:14 < hashar> Nemo_bis: you are so helpful that sometime I think you are a bot :-D
1704 4447 Isarra: "I mean trusted like how we trust, sayChanServ destroyed my life –marktraceur, YuviPanda to not do anything stupid because he's competent and reliable and stuff." 12014
1707 3216 <tfinc> ugh.. i hate Xcode updates <brion> what you don't love downloading 2-3 gigs of dev tools over and over again? 1<Gloria> Marking it easy will help.
1708 13458 <Nemo_bis> thought that your "can not reproduce" meant "I see always without parentheses" 1<Emufarmers> If the patch fits, you must commit.
1710 2 <hashar> mediawiki has been written by a biotechnologist, a cinema student, a poker player, a quantic computer doctor and others. None were PHP expert,<hoo> yeah... so you can definitely help. 1better be safe than offline :D
1712 5727 <Ryan_Lane> are there docs for this anywhere? <@^demon> Hahahahaha22:04 akosiaris: aaah i got it. All your bases are belong to us. You mustResistance is futile, you will be new here. 1assimilated :-)
1856 5774 <TimStarling> are you saying you think something is calling putenv("TZ=BST") on our servers?22:00 hashar: akosiaris: we will rewrite history before our kingdom fall appart 22:02 akosiaris: and since history is written by the victors that means we will be victorious. And yet our kingdom will fall apart. <TimStarling> grepping MW+extensions for putenv shows no such code 1Weird....
1857 13458 18:11 ori-l: relax everyone, i'm here. 18:11 ori-l: i'll proceed to assist tim by making uninformed guesses about what might be the issue 100:05 sumanah: I am silly Sumana
1858 6045 <TimStarling> springle: Elsie doesn't appear to know what he is talking about <TimStarling> so don't let him distract you 1^d: Such is life. * YuviPanda gives ^d a potato
1880 1890 I think it's better to have well-managed,bawolff> ha! versioned cruft than chaotic cruft3 hours later I got video to play with TMH using java. -- Tim Starling 1Seems like it all came down to a missing space.
1881 6045 <jdlrobson> MaxSem: Seems that after creating a page called Foo my tests are breaking :( 1apergos: first thing we do, shoot all the certificate authorities | ori: then we take berlin
1883 15257 <wikibugs> (NEW) CirrusSearch: Prefix search for “L’Oréal” and “L Oréal” should match [[L'Oréal]] - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/58702 <Reedy> It's because they're worth it. 1<ori> every time you feel like killing a global, replace it with a camelcase class hierarchy that consists of the config var name followed by 'Context'
1884 13458 <Reedy> In non Soviet America,^d: If you want to name your extension something and one already exists.... MaxSem watch you 1^d: Just slap v5 on the end.
1890 10091 21:14 < hashar<Nikerabbit> Nemo_bis: you are so helpful that sometime I think you are a bot :-D 1that's like making cars out of rubber so nobody would die
1891 7541 ChanServ destroyed my life –marktraceur, 2014 1MaxSem smacks ApiFormatXml | MaxSem: horse poop | MaxSem: HORSE POOP | MaxSem: !!!HORSE POOP!!!
1892 6045 <Gloria> Marking it<^d> (It's easy will help. 1, I promise)
1893 5953 <Emufarmers> If the patch fits, you must commit. 1<bawolff> Nemo_bis: I enjoy your use of formal logic symbols on bug 47694
1894 74 <hoo> yeah..."Really, better be safe than offline :D 1our staff don't do much." --Dan Garry
1896 13458 22:04 akosiaris: aaah i got it. Allbrion> isn't it the worst when your bases are belong to us. Resistance is futile,code works but only on other peoples' computers? you will be assimilated :-) 1:D
1897 13458 22:00 hashar: akosiaris: we will rewrite history before our kingdom fall appart 22:02 akosiaris: and since history is written by the victors that means we will be victorious. And yet our kingdom will fall apart. Weird.... 1<^d> manybubbles: Anytime we improve performance a baby Ori gets its wings :)
1898 13458 00:05 sumanah: I am silly Sumana 1<Deskana> Customer: "Where is this information stored?" Reedy: "In many places, but yet, also nowhere at the same time."
1899 10091 ^d: Such is life<Deskana> Customer: "How much will this cost me?" Reedy: "A defined amount of money, in some currency recognised by... * YuviPanda gives ^d a potato 1someone."
1900 7541 bawolff> ha! 3 hours later I got video to play with TMH using java. Seems like it all came down to a missing space. 1<Reedy> Progress: rand() %
1901 13458 apergos: first thing we do,"Yeah... shoot all the certificate authorities | ori: then we take berlin 1we really should actually support Hebrew at some point." -- ^demon
1903 15103 <ori> every time you feel like killing a global[02:42]\ <bd808>\ I want to be calmer under "omg the sites fucked" [02:43]\ <ori>\ I wasn't calm, replace it with a camelcase class hierarchy that consists of the config var name followed by 'Context' 1just groggy :D
1904 13458 ^d: If you want to name your extensNikerabbit> I know I've asked a good question something and one already exists.... ^d: Just slap v5 owhen I don't get an answer in the end. 1talk page
1905 13458 <Nikerabbit> Nemo_bis: that's like making cars out of rubber so nobody would die 1"It's the Flow way or the highway." - Maryana Pinchuk
1906 13458 MaxSem smacks ApiFormatXml | MaxSem: horse poop | MaxSem: HORSE POOP | MaxSem: !!!HORSE POOP!!! 1[Tim Starling] Let's drop support for PHP 5.3 after we switch the WMF servers to 5.4 or later. I think it would be inconvenient to be unable to run our software on our own servers.
1907 9593 <^d> (It's easy, I promise) 1James_F: Because nothing says "wikitext is easy" like "呢格={{{96}}}|{{{85}}}|{{{87}}}|{{{86}}}|{{{95}}}|{{{97}}}|{{{5}}}|{{{6}}}|{{{7}}}}}{{<includeonly>Subst:</includeonly>生命棋34".
1908 74 <bawolff> Nemo_bis: I enjoy your use of formal logic symbols on bug 47694 1<gwicke> hardikj, I'm bad at naming; the only thing I'm good at is inventing names ending in -oid
1914 17884 "Really<aude> deploy is easy, our staff don't do much." --Dan Garry 1except to figure out what to do when things break
1916 7541 brion> isn't it the worst when y<ori> it's 2014 and our OS uses four code works but only on other peoples' computers? :D 1octal digits which are used as bit masks to represent permissions
1919 13458 <^d> manybubbles: Anytime we improve performance a baby Ori gets its wings :) 1<RoanKattouw> Nikerabbit: Looking through your code now. So much cleaner than the old code, it's night and day <Nemo_bis> and he says he doesn't like Virginia Woolf <Nikerabbit> woof
1920 13458 <Deskana> Customer: "Where is this information stored?" Reedy: "In many places, but yet, also nowhere at the same time." 1never trust any software that claims to be able to fix itself -- it usually lies [bawolff]
1921 13458 <Deskana> Customer: "How much will this cost me?" Reedy: "A defined amount of money, in some currency recognised by... someone." 1(re: discussion of 3-legged unicorns) <robla> I don't see what's so hard...you find a unicorn and chop off its leg. sheesh
1922 13458 <Reedy> Progress: rand() % 1brion> i haven’t done a lot of explicit pair programming, but running ideas past someone else and having a couple people working on something can do wonders yes!
1923 17884 "Yeah..Getting an organisation into the mindset of mentoring - into the mindset of "yes we need to train new people because they can do awesome things even if they screw up sometimes on the way there". we really should actually support Hebrew at some point." -- ^demon 1– Lydia
1924 2959 [02:42]\ <bd808>\ I want to be calmer under "omg the sites fucked" [02:43]\ <ori>\ I wasn't calm<Nemo_bis> Whenever you find yourself re-implementing the MediaWiki parser, just groggy :D 1you can be sure you're doing something wrong.
1925 7541 Nikerabbit> I know I've asked a good question when I don't get an answer in the talk page 1I also recommend using --force
1927 17884 "It's the Flow way or the highway." - Maryana Pinchuk 1<^d> My browser cache is hot for wiki, is yours?
1929 6528 [Tim Starling] Let's drop support for PHP 5.3 after we switch the WMF servers to 5.4 or later. I think it would be inconvenient to be unable to run our software on our own servers. 1<^d> I HATE YOU GERRIT
1930 17884 James_F: Because nothing says "wikitext is easy" like "呢格={{{96}}}|{{{85}}}|{{{87}}}|{{{86}}}|{{{95}}}|{{{97}}}|{{{5}}}|{{{6}}}|{{{7}}}}}{{<includeonly>Subst:</includeonly>生命棋34". 1<biberao> Premature end of
1936 6695 <gwicke> hardikj<Coren> o/~ Hey, I just met you, and this is crazy, but here's my changeset, I'm bad at naming;so +2 maybe. the only thing I'm good at is inventing names ending in -oid 1o/~
1938 74 <aude> deploy is easy,<sumanah> MaxSem: any other tips for what makes it easier for a Windows dev? <MaxSem> yes. except to figure out what to do when things break 1get a Mac
1942 15103 <ori> it's 2014 and our OS uses four octal digits which are used as bit masks to represent permissions 1bawolff> Gerrit dependencies are like drugs: Just say no kids. It will make you look 20 years older from the stress
1947 6695 <RoanKattouw> Nikerabbit: Looking through your code now. So much cleaner than the old code,^demon|away> Nemo_bis and I removed 31 preferences from Special:Preferences today. it's night and day <Nemo_bis> and he says he doesn't like Virginia Woolf <Nikerabbit> woof 1What did *you* accomplish?
1953 13740 never trust any software that claims to be able to fix itselfThank you very much. Frankly, I didn't think people would much care what I had to say. -- it usually lies [bawolff] 1Happy user on mediawiki.org
1954 17658 (re: discussion of 3-legged unicorns) <robla> I don't see what's so hard...you find a unicorn and chop off its leg. sheesh 1<bblack> To configure RAID settings, Press Control-Shift-Meta-Alt-&, then hold down the letters F and U while tapping F3 twice
1973 7541 brion> i haven’t done a lot of explicit pair programming, but running ideas past someone else and having a couple people working on something can do wonders yes! 1Nemo_bis> BPositive: a -1 is never reason for not submitting to gerrit
1975 7541 Getting an organisation into the mindset of mentoring - into the mindset of "yes we need to train new people because they can do awesome things even if they screw up sometimes on the way there". – Lydia 1<godog> prefixing important passwords with / has saved me more than once btw
1976 8605 <Nemo_bis> Whenever you find yourself re-implementing the MediaWiki parser, you can be sure you're doing something wrong. 1Nikerabbit> I know I have been looking into one task for too long when I get "battery low" warning
1977 7541 Nikerabbit> I also recommend using --force 1<_joe_> I'll merge your patch if you can prove me you're afk :P <logmsgbot> I think ori's afk for real
<paravoid> we should rename icinga.wm.org to christmastree.wm.org
1978 18685 <^d> My browser cache is hot for wiki, iK4-713> I love it when you git blame something ridiculous and discover that it was yours? 1.
1980 15257 <^d> I HATE YOU GERRIT 1<ori> mutante: PROBLEM - Number of monitoring apps is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: 20.00% of data exceeded the critical threshold [500.0]
1982 15257 <biberao> Premature end of 1Ori: In a more perfect universe, gzipping something twice would compress it twice as well. In this universe, it inflates the response size and breaks content decoding on Safari.
1983 13458 <Coren> o/~ Hey, I just met you, and this is crazy, but here's my changeset, so +2 maybe.On a scale of one to evil, o/~ 1that's super evil.
1986 8605 <sumanah> MaxSem: any other tips for what makes it easier for a Windows dev? <MaxSem> yes. get a Mac 1[18:07:26] <bblack> I'm sipping PBR and using my 28.8K dialup connection to scan networks with SATAN to find unpatched Solaris 2.4 servers with sendmail vulnerabilities
1987 7541 bawolff> Gerrit dependencies are like drugs: Just say n^d> Adding features is like making a baby. It's easy to say "no" beforehand. But basically impossible to kidsll after the fact. It will make you look 20 years older from the stress 1Moral of the story: don't have kids!
1989 7541 ^demon|away> Nemo_bis and I removed 31 preferences from Special:Preferences today.<bd808> robla: We just need to write a security review bot :) <sumanah> oh dear, What did *you* accomplish? 1Chris is away for ONE DAY and you start replacing him
1990 7541 Thank you very much. Frankly, I didn't think people would much care what I had to say.<RoanKattouw>\ I briefly broke wikitech by rm -rf 'ing most of VE, -- Happy user on mediawiki.org 1but then I put it back
1991 13458 <bblack> To configure RAID settings, Press Control-Shift-Meta-Alt-&, then hold down the letters F and U while tapping F3 twice 1<+marktraceur> Grawwww <+marktraceur> Someone mixed spaces and tabs <+marktraceur> MARK SMASH
1993 15581 Nemo_bis> BPositive: a -1 is never reason for not submitting to gerrit 1[Ricordisamoa] "angry emoticon" [MW search] Did you mean: "andré emotions"?
1994 2 <godog> prefixing important passwords with / has saved me more than once btw 1<Reedy> Where's the regex for irc rc entries? <RD> .* <Reedy> RD: Don't be greedy
1996 7541 Nikerabbit> I know I have been looking into one task for too long when I get "battery low" warning 1<ponie> I imagine oversight would be a fire <Cookies52> Now, that's a right I'd love to have...
1997 13458 <_joe_> I'll merge your patch if you can prove me you're afk :P <logmsgbot> I think ori's afk for real 1<+icinga-wm> PROBLEM - puppet last run on rbf1002 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: Epic puppet fail <Reedy> gj puppet
1999 15103 <paravoid> we should rename icinga.wm.org to christmastree.wm.org 1<marktraceur> You can PM me if you want, and I can ignore you if I want. :P
2000 7541 K4-713> I love it when you git blame something ridiculous and discover that it was you. 1<addshore> dont worry, I wrote tests ;p <yurikR> famous last words...
2002 13458 <ori> mutante: PROBLEM - Number of monitoring apps is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: 20.00% of data exceeded the critical threshold [500.0] 1<marktraceur> ...he shouldn't just diarrhea update patches all over Gerrit.
2008 8605 Ori: In a more perfect universe, gzipping something twice would compress it twice as well. In this universe, it inflates the response size and breaks content decoding on Safari. 1<MatmaRex> "enhancement" is the status to use when you wish to show someone that other people don't care about the bug they filed
2009 15103 On a scale<marktraceur> A lack of one to evil,weirdness on Commons. that's supeFirst time for evil. 1erything.
2012 6045 [18:07:26] <bblack> I'm sipping PBR and using my 28.8K dialup connection to scan networks with SATAN to find unpatched Solaris 2.4 servers with sendmail vulnerabilities 1<MaxSem> fuck you jerkins
2013 7541 ^d> Adding features is like making a baby. It's easy to say "no" beforehand. But basically impossible to kill after the fact. Moral of the story: don't have kids! 1AaronSchulz> legoktm: I remember reading that code years ago...I think it makes sense after an hour
2015 8605 <bd808> robla: We just need to write a security review bot :) <sumanah> oh dear, Chris is away for ONE DAY and you start replacing him 1<greg-g> twentyafterfour: that sring of merges from Reedy up there ^ this is what is known as "Reedy spam" aka "when Reedy goes through the mediawiki-config backlog and MERGES ALL THE THINGS!
2016 15991 <RoanKattouw>\ I briefly broke wikitech by rm -rf 'ing most of VE, but then I put it back 1* Reedy kicks jenkins
2021 8605 <+marktraceur> Grawwww <+marktraceur> Someone mixed spaces and tabs <+marktraceur> MARK SMASH 1If this were in Aramaic you'd be reading the other way
2022 17865 [Ricordisamoa] "angry emoticon" [MW search] Did you mean: "andré emotions"? 1Taking a single step might sound easy, but it's hard enough to know which direction is forward. –Lars Aronsson
2023 8605 <Reedy> Where's the regex for irc rc entries?<andre__> I am not a private support channel. <RD> .* <Reedy> RD: Don't be greedy 1IRC means patience. <Carmela> I thought it means Internet Relay Chat.
2028 17572 <ponie> I imagine oversight would be a fire <Cookies52> Now, that's a right I'd love to have... 1<spagewmf> anyone have a copy of "Authoring Better Commit Messages" by Tolstoy and Krinkle
2029 17679 <+icinga-wm> PROBLEM - puppet last run on rbf1002 is CRITICAL: CRITICAL: Epic puppet fail <Reedy> gj puppet 1TimStarling> we've used crashy code before, like APC when it was new, and PHP 4
2030 3216 <marktraceur> You can PM me if you want<TimStarling> if scap took 2 seconds, and I can ignore you if I want.we would never have made sync-file <TimStarling> well, :P 1maybe that's not quite true --- let's just say we would have removed it long ago
2031 15257 <addshore> dont worry<Reedy>\ Quick, I wrvote tests ;p <yurikR> famous last words... 1on the bug! That makes them get dealt with quicker!
2032 8605 <marktraceur> ...he shouldn't just diarrhea update patches all over Gerrit. 1PHP is not a RTL language…
2033 4404 <MatmaRex> "enhancement" is the status to use when you wish to show someone that other people don't care about the bug they filed 1< spagewmf> figured it out, it's leftover cmcmahon_bug.rb where I was trying out your textarea bug :) <chrismcmahon> awesome, people name bug files after me :-)
2034 15257 <marktraceur> A lack of weirdness on Commons.[20:57:31] <multichill> Looked at it with Reedy some time ago and after he was done crying, First time for everything. 1he filed this bug
2035 17679 <MaxSem> fuck you jerkins 0<YuviPanda> GO DOUSE YOURSELF IN SUGAR AND DIVE INTO AN ANT HILL, JENKINS
2036 7541 AaronSchulz> legoktm: I remember reading that code years ago...I think it makes sense after an hour 1<Ironholds> wait, I'm an IDIOT. <YuviPanda> wow, finally he found out by himself...
2051 17679 <greg-g> twentyafterfour: that sring of merges from Reedy up there ^ this is what is known as "Reedy spam" aka "when Reedy goes through the mediawiki-config backlog and MERGES ALL THE THINGS! 1<TimStarling> anyway, if you plot a curve, I think it is fair to say that preference bloat has not gone away as we have hired more engineers
2052 17679 * Reedy kicks jenkins 1Yuri Astrakhan: and at the end of the day, there is no such thing as a perfect "idiot-proof" way, simply because there are a lot of brilliant idiots.
2053 16340 If this were in Aramaic you'd be reading the other way 1git #e707717d - Code wars: the empire strikes tap
2055 7541 Taking a single step might sound easy, but it's hard enough to know which direction is forward. –Lars Aronsson 1
2056 7336 <andre__> I am not a private support channel. IRC means patience. <Carmela> I thought it means Internet Relay Chat. 1
2059 17847 <spagewmf> anyone have a copy of "Authoring Better Commit Messages" by Tolstoy and Krinkle 1
2060 7541 TimStarling> we've used crashy code before, like APC when it was new, and PHP 4 1
2062 6045 <TimStarling> if scap took 2 seconds, we would never have made sync-file <TimStarling> well, maybe that's not quite true --- let's just say we would have removed it long ago 1
2063 8605 <Reedy>\ Quick, vote on the bug! That makes them get dealt with quicker! 1
2064 8605 PHP is not a RTL language… 1
2065 17658 < spagewmf> figured it out, it's leftover cmcmahon_bug.rb where I was trying out your textarea bug :) <chrismcmahon> awesome, people name bug files after me :-) 1
2067 6045 [20:57:31] <multichill> Looked at it with Reedy some time ago and after he was done crying, he filed this bug 1
2072 5774 <YuviPanda> GO DOUSE YOURSELF IN SUGAR AND DIVE INTO AN ANT HILL, JENKINS 1
2073 8605 <Ironholds> wait, I'm an IDIOT. <YuviPanda> wow, finally he found out by himself... 1
2074 74 <TimStarling> anyway, if you plot a curve, I think it is fair to say that preference bloat has not gone away as we have hired more engineers 1
2077 17679 Yuri Astrakhan: and at the end of the day, there is no such thing as a perfect "idiot-proof" way, simply because there are a lot of brilliant idiots. 0
2078 17679 git #e707717d - Code wars: the empire strikes tap 0
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