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####User story & summary: As a newcomer, I want to make productive edits, so that my contribution is valued and not reverted. As an experienced editor, I don't want newcomers to edit the same article again and again, because sometimes the article is in a good state but the maintenance template hasn't yet been removed. (Or perhaps the maintenance template is still applicable, but the newcomers simply don't yet have the knowledge to meaningfully improve the article). ####Background & research: This task is important because: - Experienced editors from multiple communities have suggested we consider an improvement to avoid situations [[ https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%A2%D0%BE%D0%BC-%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%81&action=history | like this ]]. - User feedback: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Ydiefxefrduyrhop "At a minimum, set up throttling, and limit newcomer tasks per article. There are 6.9 million of them, please don't send all the new editors to one article I am trying to maintain. Secondly, please do not send any newcomers to fix or add links that are not needed per the guideline, improperly formed, or piped when they should not be." ####Potential Solutions: - Set up throttling, and limit newcomer tasks per article. - If there are less than X suggestions of one task type, then don't suggest that task type to newcomers. - If an article's last edit was a #newcomer-task, then remove it from the Suggested Edit task queue. - If there are less than X of either "easy" task type, then start to surface "medium" task types. - Other ideas...? NOTE: Communities can enable the "[[ https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Growth/Tools/Add_a_link | Add a link (Structured task) ]]" via Special:CommunityConfiguration if the issue is mainly in relation to not having enough link suggestions available. ####Acceptance Criteria: [] Document potential solutions to this problem [] Discuss the pros and cons of various approaches (with Ambassadors and community) [] Add a task/epic to address the problem

####User story & summary: As a newcomer, I want to make productive edits, so that my contribution is valued and not reverted. As an experienced editor, I don't want newcomers to edit the same article again and again, because sometimes the article is in a good state but the maintenance template hasn't yet been removed. (Or perhaps the maintenance template is still applicable, but the newcomers simply don't yet have the knowledge to meaningfully improve the article). ####Background & research: This task is important because: - Experienced editors from multiple communities have suggested we consider an improvement to avoid situations [[ https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%A2%D0%BE%D0%BC-%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%81&action=history | like this ]]. - User feedback: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Ydiefxefrduyrhop "At a minimum, set up throttling, and limit newcomer tasks per article. There are 6.9 million of them, please don't send all the new editors to one article I am trying to maintain. Secondly, please do not send any newcomers to fix or add links that are not needed per the guideline, improperly formed, or piped when they should not be." ####Potential Solutions: - Set up throttling, and limit newcomer tasks per article. - If there are less than X suggestions of one task type, then don't suggest that task type to newcomers. - If an article's last edit was a #newcomer-task, then remove it from the Suggested Edit task queue. - If there are less than X of either "easy" task type, then start to surface "medium" task types. - Intelligent throttling. By that I mean, create some heuristic about what constitutes reasonable newcomer edits at an article, and not just by a dumb, "per-article" figure (although that is a great start), but more based on human resources available to evaluate newcomer edits, and deal with the edits, and the editors. For example, if an article has a lot of watchers and much recent activity from a dozen active experienced editors (who are not reverted), then that is a strong assistance pool that could handle three or four or half a dozen newcomers editing the article. Otoh, if the article was released from Draft the day before yesterday, with nearly all of the edits by a single editor, or a couple of AWB typos or a bot edit, then sending twelve newcomers there is going to swamp the single author of the Draft in dealing solely with that article. - Some way to reduce lead edits. Short of forbidding them, try to think of a way to guide newcomers to the body of the article, where all of their edits should rightly be as a starting point. Which is not to say article leads don't need links or any of the other things, but it's overwhelmingly the destination of newcomers (just like it is for article readers) with a far higher chance of a questionable edit that doesn't improve the article, or one that violates a guideline. - Some way to provide basic policy & guideline support to the newcomer task. Maybe an edit notice or something with do's and dont's summarizing the main points of guidance we offer on links (or whatever the task may be). - Handle scoped maintenance templates ('article' vs 'section' scope). As a quick fix to avoid slamming experienced editors, you could just turn off newcomer tasks for maintenance templates with non-default scope (usually., 'section'; rarely also 'paragraph', 'table' or other terms). Or o direct the newcomer editor into doing a section edit of the section with a scoped maintenance template. - Other ideas...? NOTE: Communities can enable the "[[ https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Growth/Tools/Add_a_link | Add a link (Structured task) ]]" via Special:CommunityConfiguration if the issue is mainly in relation to not having enough link suggestions available. ####Acceptance Criteria: [] Document potential solutions to this problem [] Discuss the pros and cons of various approaches (with Ambassadors and community) [] Add a task/epic to address the problem

####User story & summary: As a newcomer, I want to make productive edits, so that my contribution is valued and not reverted. As an experienced editor, I don't want newcomers to edit the same article again and again, because sometimes the article is in a good state but the maintenance template hasn't yet been removed. (Or perhaps the maintenance template is still applicable, but the newcomers simply don't yet have the knowledge to meaningfully improve the article). ####Background & research: This task is important because: - Experienced editors from multiple communities have suggested we consider an improvement to avoid situations [[ https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%A2%D0%BE%D0%BC-%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%81&action=history | like this ]]. - User feedback: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Ydiefxefrduyrhop "At a minimum, set up throttling, and limit newcomer tasks per article. There are 6.9 million of them, please don't send all the new editors to one article I am trying to maintain. Secondly, please do not send any newcomers to fix or add links that are not needed per the guideline, improperly formed, or piped when they should not be." ####Potential Solutions: - Set up throttling, and limit newcomer tasks per article. - If there are less than X suggestions of one task type, then don't suggest that task type to newcomers. - If an article's last edit was a #newcomer-task, then remove it from the Suggested Edit task queue. - If there are less than X of either "easy" task type, then start to surface "medium" task types. - Intelligent throttling. By that I mean, create some heuristic about what constitutes reasonable newcomer edits at an article, and not just by a dumb, "per-article" figure (although that is a great start), but more based on human resources available to evaluate newcomer edits, and deal with the edits, and the editors. For example, if an article has a lot of watchers and much recent activity from a dozen active experienced editors (who are not reverted), then that is a strong assistance pool that could handle three or four or half a dozen newcomers editing the article. Otoh, if the article was released from Draft the day before yesterday, with nearly all of the edits by a single editor, or a couple of AWB typos or a bot edit, then sending twelve newcomers there is going to swamp the single author of the Draft in dealing solely with that article. - Some way to reduce lead edits. Short of forbidding them, try to think of a way to guide newcomers to the body of the article, where all of their edits should rightly be as a starting point. Which is not to say article leads don't need links or any of the other things, but it's overwhelmingly the destination of newcomers (just like it is for article readers) with a far higher chance of a questionable edit that doesn't improve the article, or one that violates a guideline. - Some way to provide basic policy & guideline support to the newcomer task. Maybe an edit notice or something with do's and dont's summarizing the main points of guidance we offer on links (or whatever the task may be). - Handle scoped maintenance templates ('article' vs 'section' scope). As a quick fix to avoid slamming experienced editors, you could just turn off newcomer tasks for maintenance templates with non-default scope (usually., 'section'; rarely also 'paragraph', 'table' or other terms). Or o direct the newcomer editor into doing a section edit of the section with a scoped maintenance template. - Other ideas...? NOTE: Communities can enable the "[[ https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Growth/Tools/Add_a_link | Add a link (Structured task) ]]" via Special:CommunityConfiguration if the issue is mainly in relation to not having enough link suggestions available. ####Acceptance Criteria: [] Document potential solutions to this problem [] Discuss the pros and cons of various approaches (with Ambassadors and community) [] Add a task/epic to address the problem