This task represents the work involving with designing the experiences people who have the New Discussion Tool enabled will have when they attempt to start a new discussion on a talk page, across namespaces, that has not yet been created yet.
=== Background
As discussed by @matmarex and @DannyS712 on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/DiscussionTools/+/623117, adding new discussions to non-existent pages is a case that will need special handling.
Currently, all links to such pages (red links) will append `&action=edit` which, when clicked, will take people straight into the full page source editor.[i]
Trouble is, as previous usability tests of the full-page source editor in this context have proven (T243251#5933544), Junior Contributors are likely to be confused by this experience. Specifically, Junior Contributor usability test participants:
- Did not sign the new discussions they posted
- Expressed being uncertain about whether they were taking the right steps to start a new discussion
- Had difficulty locating the new discussion they had just published to a talk page
=== Use cases
We see there being three distinct use cases/categories of talk pages to design for:
|Case|Namespace|Account state|Subject page state|Talk page deletion log entries|Ticket
|---|---|---|---|---|---
|1.|User talk (3)| Logged in|Exists| No talk page deletion/protection/move log entries|T274831
|2.|User talk | Logged out|Exists|No talk page deletion log entries|T287779
|3.|Your *own* talk page |Logged in|Exists|No talk page deletion log entries|T277329|
|4.|Your *own* talk page |Logged out|Exists|No talk page deletion log entries|T288556|
|5.| All other talk (1, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 101, 119, 711, 829)|---| Exists|No talk page deletion log entries|T274832
|6.|User talk (no account exists)| Logged in|Does not exist| No talk page deletion log entries|//Ticket needed//
|7.|User talk | Logged out|Does not exist|No talk page deletion log entries|//Ticket needed//
|8.| All other talk (1, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 101, 119, 711, 829)|---| Does not exist|No talk page deletion log entries|//Ticket needed//
|9.|User talk (3)| Logged in|Exists|At least 1 deletion log entry| T289354
|10.|User talk | Logged out|Exists|At least 1 deletion log entry| T289354
|11.|Your *own* talk page |Logged in|Exists|At least 1 deletion log entry| T289354
|12.|Your *own* talk page |Logged out|Exists|At least 1 deletion log entry| T289354
|13.| All other talk (1, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 101, 119, 711, 829)|---| Exists|At least 1 deletion log entry| T289354
|14.|User talk (no account exists)| Logged in|Does not exist| At least 1 deletion log entry| T289354
|15.|User talk | Logged out|Does not exist|At least 1 deletion log entry| T289354
|16.| All other talk (1, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 101, 119, 711, 829)|---| Does not exist|At least 1 deletion log entry| T289354
=== Requirements
- **Full-page editing:** All empty state designs need to include affordances for opening the full-page `source` editing interface
-- The full-page `source` editing interface (e.g. 2010 wikitext editor or 2017 wikitext editor) people see in this context, should be the same full-page `source` editing interface they see in other contexts (e.g. editing an article, editing a talk page that's already been created, etc.)
- **Availability:** only people who have the New Discussion Tool enabled should be impacted by this new empty state experience. //Read: people who do not have the New Discussion Tool enabled should see no changes in the experiences they have when clicking on a [red] link to a talk page that does not currently exist.//
- **Points of entry:** the empty state experiences we are designing should impact the following workflows/points of entry for people who have the New Discussion Tool enabled:
-- 1. They click on a red linked talk page that is "adjoined" to an article/user/project/etc. page that //already// exists
-- 2. They click on a red linked talk page that is "adjoined" to an article/user/project/etc. page that does //NOT// yet exist
--- //E.g. Clicking on a red-linked talk page that appears in the signature of a newcomer who's posted on a community help page, for example.//
-- 3. ~~They manually enter and navigate to the URL of the not-yet-created talk page; this URL contains `?action=edit`.~~ //We will //not// be addressing this point of entry as part of this initial version. This work will instead happen in T283644.//
-- 4. ~~They manually enter and navigate to the URL of the not-yet-created talk page; this URL does NOT contain `?action=edit`.~~ //We will //not// be addressing this point of entry as part of this initial version. This work will instead happen in T283644.//
=== Open questions
- [x] 1. Does it make most sense to consider the scope of this task as being limited to what happens when people click the `New section` / `Add topic` affordance on non-existent talk pages? //Meaning: the visual appearance of the empty page itself would be considered separately in T252902.//
-- We'll consider the experience holistically and then breakout the work needed to realize this experience after having done so. //See: T270323#6767558.//
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|ru.wiki|en.wiki
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|{F31907497}|{F31907515}