This task is about adjusting and/or adding the affordance(s) that appear on talk pages to make it easier for contributors, across experience levels, to identify where/how to add a new topic to a talk page and access this affordance, regardless of where they are on said page.
=== BackgroundUser stories
As @AdHuikeshoven, @Akoopal- **As a Senior Contributor or Junior Contributor** who is arriving to a talk page knowing that they want to start a new discussion, @Awesome_Aasim**I want to** to be able to quickly and easily locate the affordance for doing so, @Julle, @matej_suchanek**so that I** can proceed with drafting what I have in mind with minimal interruption.
- **As a Senior Contributor** viewing the "bottom" of a talk page after having read the existing conversations on it and now realizes I would like to start a new discussion, and @Vojtech.Vesely [i][ii][iii][iv][v][vi] have noted and previous usability tests have confirmed**I want to** be able to quickly and easily access the affordance for starting a new discussion, the current "Add topic" / "New section" tab can be difficult for Junior Contributors to identify and all contributors to access, especially on longer pages.**so that** I do not need to go "looking" for the affordance just to come back to where I currently am.
=== Requirements
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**Meta**
- The affordance(s) for starting a new conversation should be easy for people to identify and access on **desktop** and **mobile**.
=== Considerations
- We should be mindful about changing the language and/or appearance of the existing `New section` / `Add topic` links for people who have the New Discussion Tool enabled considering the confusion/complexity this could cause. //See: T264220#6813101.//
=== Open questions
- [ ] What language should appear on/in the affordance for starting a new discussion?
-- //See T264220#6794016 and consider the empty state work done in T270323.//
=== Approaches
//Below is a living list of approaches that have been talked about so far, on-wiki and in T249784://
| **Intervention** | **Link**
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| Additional links elsewhere on the page | ["Ajouter un sujet"](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_Projet:Outils_de_discussion) (bottom of fr.wiki talk pages), `+` (bottom of some nl.wiki talk pages)
| Large blue buttons at the top of the page with custom calls to action | ["Ask a question"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse) (en.wiki), ["New message"](https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskuse_s_wikipedistou:Janbery) (cs.wiki), ["Make a new request"](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Requ%C3%AAte_aux_administrateurs) (fr.wiki),
| "New section" form is preloaded with a template/instructions | ["Request to administrators"](https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Requ%C3%AAte_aux_administrateurs&action=edit§ion=new&preload=Mod%C3%A8le:Pr%C3%A9chargement_RA) (fr.wiki), ["Request for immediate deletion"](https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3ADemande+de+suppression+imm%C3%A9diate%2Fpreload&editintro=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3ADemande+de+suppression+imm%C3%A9diate%2Feditintro&preloadtitle=%7B%7Ba%27%7C1%3DTitre+de+la+page%7D%7D§ion=new&title=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3ADemande+de+suppression+imm%C3%A9diate&create=Post+a+request) (fr.wiki), //see T250768#6073965 for more examples//
| Links at the top of the page | ["Click here to ask a question"](https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Helpdesk) (nl.wiki), ["Start a new topic"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Usercomment) ([~550 people](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=500&profile=all&search=hastemplate%3AUsercomment&advancedSearch-current={%22fields%22:{%22hastemplate%22:[%22Usercomment%22]}}&ns0=1) are using this on en.wiki)
| Instructions within new section form | ["You are going to request the immediate deletion..."](https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3ADemande+de+suppression+imm%C3%A9diate%2Fpreload&editintro=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3ADemande+de+suppression+imm%C3%A9diate%2Feditintro&preloadtitle=%7B%7Ba%27%7C1%3DTitre+de+la+page%7D%7D§ion=new&title=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3ADemande+de+suppression+imm%C3%A9diate&create=Post+a+request) (fr.wiki), ["Instructions for discussion"](https://cs.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preloadtitle=§ion=new&title=Diskuse+s+wikipedistou%3AJanbery&create=Nov%C3%A1+zpr%C3%A1va) (cs.wiki)
| An omnipresent form | F32249808 |
| A button with an accompanying subject field | See the `Požádat ` on [this page](https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:Bot/%C5%BD%C3%A1dosti_o_proveden%C3%AD_pr%C3%A1ce) at cs.wiki|
| An `Add topic` button at the bottom of the page| See [this page](https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keskustelu:Yamaha_Aerox) at fi.wiki
| On Meta, the last section heading on a talk page has `[ edit / Add topic ]` instead of just `[ edit ]`.|https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Babel
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=== Background
As @AdHuikeshoven, @Akoopal, @Awesome_Aasim, @Julle, @matej_suchanek, and @Vojtech.Vesely [i][ii][iii][iv][v][vi] have noted and previous usability tests have confirmed, the current "Add topic" / "New section" tab can be difficult for Junior Contributors to identify and all contributors to access, especially on longer pages.
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i. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Vwqjpk7gsmy36h71
ii. https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Overleg_Wikipedia:Overleghulpmiddelen&type=revision&diff=57279610&oldid=57277033&diffmode=source
iii. https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vx0hv02fcic0rj62&topic_showPostId=vx0hv02fcma2zn4a#flow-post-vx0hv02fcma2zn4a
iv. https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&topic_showPostId=vx7brnglaeb6wm9p#flow-post-vx7brnglaeb6wm9p
v. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Vwszsesi9o4iguw1
vi. https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:Pod_l%C3%ADpou#Aktivace_n%C3%A1stroje_%E2%80%9EP%C5%99idat_t%C3%A9ma%E2%80%9C_pro_v%C5%A1echny)