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Finnish Wikipedia community voted to disable the invite to test translation when creating a new article so we would like to request to disable it from the settings. This should be possible as the newarticle campaign is not enabled in enwiki and dewiki. See enwikis `wmgContentTranslationCampaigns` settings in [[ https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php | InitialiseSettings.php ]] as an example. - [[ https://fi.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Kahvihuone_(k%C3%A4yt%C3%A4nn%C3%B6t)&oldid=19636839#Mielipidetiedustelu_ty%C3%B6kalun_asetuksen_muuttamisesta | Opinion poll ]] in Finnish Wikipedia - Related [[ https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kahvihuone_(k%C3%A4yt%C3%A4nn%C3%B6t)#K%C3%A4%C3%A4nn%C3%B6sty%C3%B6kalun_tekninen_rajoittaminen | discussion in Finnish Wikipedia’s village pump ]] ___ # Additional details (from Language team) **Background** The motivation for the request seems to be about low quality articles created by newcomers with Content Translation. Editors from Finnish Wikipedia consider that it is preferable to let newcomers create articles from scratch rather than invite them to do a translation instead. Although the quality of articles created from scratch is lower, these are easier to handle by reviewers (they can just delete them), while translations are not as bad to deserve deletion (deletion ratio is much lower) but they require additional efforts by other editors for a more in-depth review (checking that the original references are valid, etc.). In order to have a better understanding of the effects of the change it would be useful to measure: - How many translations are created through the "new article" invite (by newcomers) - How does the article creation and deletion process compare before and after the change **Proposal** This ticket is focused on disabling the "new article" invite on Finnish Wikipedia. Given the context above, it may be worth to focus this change initially only on newcomers. In this way, the more experienced editors would still get opportunities to contribute in the way that better suits them. In particular: - Users with their account on Finnish Wikipedia for less than 1 year will not see the invite to enable Content Translation beta feature when creating a new page. - Other users will get no change in their experience. From the "User tenure bucket" form analytics we selected the 1 year period to use a broad definition of "newcomer". **The current invite** Note that this ticket is about the invite shown on wikis where Content Translation is still available as a beta feature: {F34390501} The invite can be accessed by disabling the Content Translation beta feature and opening a non-existent page for editing ([[ https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siurell?action=edit | example ]]) (Wikipedias where Content Translation is provided by default have a different invite: T232372 )

Finnish Wikipedia community voted to disable the invite to test translation when creating a new article so we would like to request to disable it from the settings. This should be possible as the newarticle campaign is not enabled in enwiki and dewiki. See enwikis `wmgContentTranslationCampaigns` settings in [[ https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php | InitialiseSettings.php ]] as an example. - [[ https://fi.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Kahvihuone_(k%C3%A4yt%C3%A4nn%C3%B6t)&oldid=19636839#Mielipidetiedustelu_ty%C3%B6kalun_asetuksen_muuttamisesta | Opinion poll ]] in Finnish Wikipedia - Related [[ https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kahvihuone_(k%C3%A4yt%C3%A4nn%C3%B6t)#K%C3%A4%C3%A4nn%C3%B6sty%C3%B6kalun_tekninen_rajoittaminen | discussion in Finnish Wikipedia’s village pump ]] ___ # Additional details (from Language team) **Background** The motivation for the request seems to be about low quality articles created by newcomers with Content Translation. Editors from Finnish Wikipedia consider that it is preferable to let newcomers create articles from scratch rather than invite them to do a translation instead. Although the quality of articles created from scratch is lower, these are easier to handle by reviewers (articles are shorter. test and articles of non-notable topics can be deleted), while translations don't qualify for direct deletion (less vandalism, mostly notable topics so deletion ratio is much lower) but they require additional efforts by other editors for a more in-depth review (articles contain much more text as content is automatically generated, checking that the original references are valid, etc.). In order to have a better understanding of the effects of the change it would be useful to measure: - How many translations are created through the "new article" invite (by newcomers) - How does the article creation and deletion process compare before and after the change **Proposal** This ticket is focused on disabling the "new article" invite on Finnish Wikipedia. Given the context above, it may be worth to focus this change initially only on newcomers. In this way, the more experienced editors would still get opportunities to contribute in the way that better suits them. In particular: - Users with their account on Finnish Wikipedia for less than 1 year will not see the invite to enable Content Translation beta feature when creating a new page. - Other users will get no change in their experience. From the "User tenure bucket" form analytics we selected the 1 year period to use a broad definition of "newcomer". **The current invite** Note that this ticket is about the invite shown on wikis where Content Translation is still available as a beta feature: {F34390501} The invite can be accessed by disabling the Content Translation beta feature and opening a non-existent page for editing ([[ https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siurell?action=edit | example ]]) (Wikipedias where Content Translation is provided by default have a different invite: T232372 )

Finnish Wikipedia community voted to disable the invite to test translation when creating a new article so we would like to request to disable it from the settings. This should be possible as the newarticle campaign is not enabled in enwiki and dewiki. See enwikis `wmgContentTranslationCampaigns` settings in [[ https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php | InitialiseSettings.php ]] as an example. - [[ https://fi.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Kahvihuone_(k%C3%A4yt%C3%A4nn%C3%B6t)&oldid=19636839#Mielipidetiedustelu_ty%C3%B6kalun_asetuksen_muuttamisesta | Opinion poll ]] in Finnish Wikipedia - Related [[ https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kahvihuone_(k%C3%A4yt%C3%A4nn%C3%B6t)#K%C3%A4%C3%A4nn%C3%B6sty%C3%B6kalun_tekninen_rajoittaminen | discussion in Finnish Wikipedia’s village pump ]] ___ # Additional details (from Language team) **Background** The motivation for the request seems to be about low quality articles created by newcomers with Content Translation. Editors from Finnish Wikipedia consider that it is preferable to let newcomers create articles from scratch rather than invite them to do a translation instead. Although the quality of articles created from scratch is lower, these are easier to handle by reviewers (they can just delete them)articles are shorter. test and articles of non-notable topics can be deleted), while translations don't qualify for direct deletion (less vandalism, mostly notable topics so deletion ratio is much lower) but they require additional efforts by other editors for a more in-depth review (articles contain much more text as content is automatically generated, while translations are not as bad to deserve deletion (deletion ratio is much lower) but they require additional efforts by other editors for a more in-depth review (checking that the original references are valid, etc.). In order to have a better understanding of the effects of the change it would be useful to measure: - How many translations are created through the "new article" invite (by newcomers) - How does the article creation and deletion process compare before and after the change **Proposal** This ticket is focused on disabling the "new article" invite on Finnish Wikipedia. Given the context above, it may be worth to focus this change initially only on newcomers. In this way, the more experienced editors would still get opportunities to contribute in the way that better suits them. In particular: - Users with their account on Finnish Wikipedia for less than 1 year will not see the invite to enable Content Translation beta feature when creating a new page. - Other users will get no change in their experience. From the "User tenure bucket" form analytics we selected the 1 year period to use a broad definition of "newcomer". **The current invite** Note that this ticket is about the invite shown on wikis where Content Translation is still available as a beta feature: {F34390501} The invite can be accessed by disabling the Content Translation beta feature and opening a non-existent page for editing ([[ https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siurell?action=edit | example ]]) (Wikipedias where Content Translation is provided by default have a different invite: T232372 )