for (;;);{"error":null,"payload":{"timeline":"\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-older-transactions-are-hidden\" data-sigil=\"show-older-block\"\u003eThere are a very large number of changes, so older changes are hidden. \u003ca href=\"\/transactions\/showolder\/PHID-TASK-4daysowccnv4ucqduirh\/?after=4675267&quoteTargetID=UQ0_1&quoteRef=T191231\" data-mustcapture=\"1\" data-sigil=\"show-older-link\"\u003eShow Older Changes\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_331\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/taupgzy6crca3tqvilyt\/PHID-FILE-qpx6bguelua3oeqwb7km\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/HappyDog\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"4675267\" id=\"4675267\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_330\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/HappyDog\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_0\"\u003eHappyDog\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#4675267\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_329\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 17 2018, 6:53 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2018-10-17 18:53:26 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_327\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_328\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_141\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#4674637\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_2\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#4674637\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_4\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Anomie\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#4478780\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_1\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#4478780\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/HappyDog\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_3\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@HappyDog\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eThere is also this RFC related to abstract schema definitions.  Let's call it \u003cstrong\u003eProposal #3\u003c\/strong\u003e (even though the page has been around since 2012): \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/www.mediawiki.org\/wiki\/Requests_for_comment\/Abstract_table_definitions\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttps:\/\/www.mediawiki.org\/wiki\/Requests_for_comment\/Abstract_table_definitions\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLet's not have to write a parser for a custom format. Other than that, there doesn't seem to be anything there that isn't already in Proposal #1.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI was primarily including it for completeness.  I haven't compared the two propositions in detail.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat said, a discussion of functionality is probably a better place to start than by bikeshedding the syntax.  What 'commands' do we need the abstraction to support?  The complexity of the answer to that question should be a good guide when deciding how best to represent it - some formats are terrible for complex data, whereas others are overkill for simple data.  I wouldn't dismiss a custom format outright at this stage.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eFWIW I think using JSON for this is a terrible idea.  It is not a good format for this kind of data and will add a lot of unnecessary cruft into something that could otherwise be done fairly simply.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhat do you think would be a good format?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSomething that allows inline comments.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_334\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/xgl3wy55ovinfnucvwhx\/PHID-FILE-zocnksypiqutzf5oubpi\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/tstarling\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"4675636\" id=\"4675636\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-columns phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_333\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/tstarling\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_142\"\u003etstarling\u003c\/a\u003e moved this task from \u003ca href=\"\/project\/board\/52\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-status-closed\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_143\"\u003eOld\u003c\/a\u003e to \u003ca href=\"\/project\/board\/52\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-status-closed\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_144\"\u003eUnder discussion\u003c\/a\u003e on the \u003ca href=\"\/tag\/techcom-rfc\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-status-closed\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_145\"\u003eTechCom-RFC\u003c\/a\u003e board.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#4675636\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_332\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 17 2018, 8:25 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2018-10-17 20:25:25 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_343\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/res\/phabricator\/e132bb6a\/rsrc\/image\/avatar.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Freakolowsky\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"4677437\" id=\"4677437\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_342\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Freakolowsky\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_146\"\u003eFreakolowsky\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#4677437\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_341\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 18 2018, 1:28 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2018-10-18 13:28:11 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_339\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_340\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_147\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#4674637\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_5\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#4674637\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_6\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Anomie\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eLicensing issues prevent us from testing MSSQL or Oracle.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI don't know where you get your info but for Oracle, you could:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003euse XE which is totally free and has all the features it's only limited by hardware it will use and max amount of stored data\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003euse any SE or EE edition which is also free for development purposes on a single machine\/instance\/user installation, so you could use this to run repo changes against an Oracle DB\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNot sure, but i think there are similar options for MSSQL\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_354\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ms665yc73j6nadjitytk\/PHID-FILE-mocohumlrcbe2lcuplml\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/5\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_352\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_353\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"4677626\" id=\"4677626\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_351\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_148\"\u003eAnomie\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#4677626\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_350\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 18 2018, 2:59 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2018-10-18 14:59:57 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_348\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_349\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_149\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eWhile there are "gratis"[1] developer versions of both Oracle and MSSQL that could likely be legally used in a CI context, software run in Wikimedia's CI infrastructure must be under an \u003ca href=\"http:\/\/opensource.org\/licenses\/\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003eOpen Source license\u003c\/a\u003e.[2][3]\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI don't know who might be able to make an exception to that policy or what would be required to convince them to do so. Following up on that would be outside the scope of this RFC.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e[1]: a.k.a. free-as-in-beer, versus free-as-in-speech.\u003cbr \/\u003e\n[2]: \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/wikitech.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/Wikitech:Cloud_Services_Terms_of_use#What_uses_of_Cloud_Services_do_we_not_like\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttps:\/\/wikitech.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/Wikitech:Cloud_Services_Terms_of_use#What_uses_of_Cloud_Services_do_we_not_like\u003c\/a\u003e?\u003cbr \/\u003e\n[3]: The edit summary of \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/www.mediawiki.org\/w\/index.php?diff=2750812&oldid=2750666\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttps:\/\/www.mediawiki.org\/w\/index.php?diff=2750812&oldid=2750666\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_363\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/kuhjfipnblrccpjnkeqa\/PHID-FILE-7nhshatqxoccc3cddxq2\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Fheredia\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"4678905\" id=\"4678905\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_362\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Fheredia\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_151\"\u003eFheredia\u003c\/a\u003e subscribed.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#4678905\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_361\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 18 2018, 9:01 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2018-10-18 21:01:02 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_359\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_360\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_150\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#4677626\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_7\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#4677626\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_8\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Anomie\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI don't know who might be able to make an exception to that policy or what would be required to convince them to do so. Following up on that would be outside the scope of this RFC.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/wikitech.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/Wikitech:Cloud_Services_Terms_of_use#What_uses_of_Cloud_Services_do_we_not_like\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttps:\/\/wikitech.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/Wikitech:Cloud_Services_Terms_of_use#What_uses_of_Cloud_Services_do_we_not_like\u003c\/a\u003e?\u003cbr \/\u003e\n(...)\u003cbr \/\u003e\n3 - Proprietary software: Do not use or install any software unless the software is licensed under an Open Source license.\u003cbr \/\u003e\n(...)\u003cbr \/\u003e\nExceptions to this list of prohibited uses can be requested for limited circumstances, such as testing compatibility with proprietary software. To request an exception, please submit a proposal to the Cloud Services administrators.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAfter reading this, it looks like an email to "the Cloud Services administrators" is a good starting point.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_372\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/res\/phabricator\/e132bb6a\/rsrc\/image\/avatar.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Freakolowsky\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"4679681\" id=\"4679681\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_371\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Freakolowsky\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_152\"\u003eFreakolowsky\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#4679681\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_370\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 19 2018, 8:27 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2018-10-19 08:27:47 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_368\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_369\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_153\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#4677626\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_9\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#4677626\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_10\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Anomie\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eWhile there are "gratis"[1] developer versions of both Oracle and MSSQL that could likely be legally used in a CI context, software run in Wikimedia's CI infrastructure must be under an \u003ca href=\"http:\/\/opensource.org\/licenses\/\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003eOpen Source license\u003c\/a\u003e.[2][3]\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIf your sole obstacle is that you are unable to install Oracle due to your internal guidelines regarding openness of the software used i could have a talk with other co-owners  of my company and if they agree i could open a path to a DB on one of our testing rigs and you could use it remotely.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTrue, it won't be fast, might be broken at times and even then i can't guarantee 99.9% uptime as we tend to bounce weird hacky ideas against those ... but i think it would do for validating code changes.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWell, it's just an idea\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_383\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/lmqso2pdiuhzvrx7fltm\/PHID-FILE-g4ayg62xazjsnsxkgiqt\/alphanumeric_lato-dark_L.png-_48a3ba-0%2C0%2C0%2C0.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Legoktm\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/17\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_381\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_382\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"4689450\" id=\"4689450\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_380\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Legoktm\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_155\"\u003eLegoktm\u003c\/a\u003e subscribed.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#4689450\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_379\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 23 2018, 6:03 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2018-10-23 18:03:14 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_377\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_378\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_154\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eWikimedia CI as a matter of principle (backed up by the terms of use) isn't going to support any non-free software regardless of whether it's installed locally or connecting over the network. \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Skizzerz\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_11\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Skizzerz\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e had some ideas about doing something for MSSQL in travis-ci post-merge, I'm not sure how much progress he made.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI do agree with Anomie that it's out of scope for this RfC, maybe we need another ticket for it?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_387\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/m25d4sm73mzvfxk7efxx\/PHID-FILE-zigk2s47ziyr7hqvpw7v\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"4895906\" id=\"4895906\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-link phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_385\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_156\"\u003eLadsgroup\u003c\/a\u003e added a project: \u003ca href=\"\/tag\/user-addshore\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-status-closed\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_157\"\u003eUser-Addshore\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#4895906\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_384\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 21 2019, 9:15 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-01-21 09:15:45 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_386\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_158\"\u003eLadsgroup\u003c\/a\u003e added a subscriber: \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Addshore\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_159\"\u003eAddshore\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_400\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/m25d4sm73mzvfxk7efxx\/PHID-FILE-zigk2s47ziyr7hqvpw7v\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/17\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_396\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_397\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/15\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_398\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-eye\" data-meta=\"0_399\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"4895934\" id=\"4895934\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_395\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_160\"\u003eLadsgroup\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#4895934\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_394\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 21 2019, 9:35 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-01-21 09:35:42 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_392\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_393\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_161\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eRegarding the cons of the second proposal:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eWe'd have to have code to translate MediaWiki's DB connection info to Doctrine's format, and otherwise translate between Doctrine conventions and MediaWiki conventions.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIs there a way to use doctorine only for producing the schema change and schema installer SQL string and leave it to mediawiki to handle connections and stuff?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_414\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/m25d4sm73mzvfxk7efxx\/PHID-FILE-zigk2s47ziyr7hqvpw7v\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/17\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_410\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_411\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/15\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_412\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-eye\" data-meta=\"0_413\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"4895937\" id=\"4895937\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_409\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_162\"\u003eLadsgroup\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003eEdited\u003cspan class=\"visual-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e \u00b7 \u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"#4895937\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_408\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 21 2019, 9:37 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-01-21 09:37:51 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_406\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_407\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_163\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI also want to mention this method: \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/github.com\/wikimedia\/mediawiki\/blob\/c477bcf2c5c482d3189ec3579c5dee444eb06f7d\/includes\/libs\/rdbms\/database\/DatabaseSqlite.php#L898\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttps:\/\/github.com\/wikimedia\/mediawiki\/blob\/c477bcf2c5c482d3189ec3579c5dee444eb06f7d\/includes\/libs\/rdbms\/database\/DatabaseSqlite.php#L898\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cbr \/\u003e\nThat's not the way we should handle things...\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ePlus the current situation is very much prone to errors. Like this patch that went unnoticed for four releases and more than a year was adding the right column to the wrong table:\u003cbr \/\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/gerrit.wikimedia.org\/r\/c\/mediawiki\/core\/+\/328377\/22\/maintenance\/mssql\/archives\/patch-user_groups-ug_expiry.sql#4\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttps:\/\/gerrit.wikimedia.org\/r\/c\/mediawiki\/core\/+\/328377\/22\/maintenance\/mssql\/archives\/patch-user_groups-ug_expiry.sql#4\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_425\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ms665yc73j6nadjitytk\/PHID-FILE-mocohumlrcbe2lcuplml\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/5\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_423\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_424\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"4899998\" id=\"4899998\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_422\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_164\"\u003eAnomie\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#4899998\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_421\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 22 2019, 6:31 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-01-22 18:31:56 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_419\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_420\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_165\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#4895934\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_12\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#4895934\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_14\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Ladsgroup\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eRegarding the cons of the second proposal:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eWe'd have to have code to translate MediaWiki's DB connection info to Doctrine's format, and otherwise translate between Doctrine conventions and MediaWiki conventions.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIs there a way to use doctorine only for producing the schema change and schema installer SQL string and leave it to mediawiki to handle connections and stuff?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFor creating an initial schema, that could probably work assuming Doctrine supports it. But a schema change is two-way, you usually have to check the current state before knowing what changes needs to be made. Particularly for sqlite where most changes require creating a whole new table, copying the data from the old table, and then dropping the old and renaming the new into place.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThen, too, we might still be left with datatype differences to deal with, e.g. where Doctrine wants to use varchar while MediaWiki wants varbinary or something like that.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#4895937\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_13\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#4895937\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_15\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Ladsgroup\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI also want to mention this method: \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/github.com\/wikimedia\/mediawiki\/blob\/c477bcf2c5c482d3189ec3579c5dee444eb06f7d\/includes\/libs\/rdbms\/database\/DatabaseSqlite.php#L898\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttps:\/\/github.com\/wikimedia\/mediawiki\/blob\/c477bcf2c5c482d3189ec3579c5dee444eb06f7d\/includes\/libs\/rdbms\/database\/DatabaseSqlite.php#L898\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cbr \/\u003e\nThat's not the way we should handle things...\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAgreed. That's a bunch of string-replacement hacks so we don't need to have maintenance\/sqlite\/tables.sql in addition to the other four tables.sql files.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_435\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/oufhulum4kze5rgdza3a\/PHID-FILE-bt7yrtg7nbh3gooznjl2\/profile-me.jpg)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/mobrovac\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"4928704\" id=\"4928704\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_434\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/mobrovac\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_167\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e mobrovac\u003c\/a\u003e subscribed.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003eEdited\u003cspan class=\"visual-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e \u00b7 \u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"#4928704\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_433\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eFeb 5 2019, 6:50 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-02-05 18:50:31 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_431\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_432\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_166\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003ePersonally, option (1) seems like a clear winner here. If done correctly, it would provide the correct abstraction layer around relational data, which would allow a way to provide support for arbitrary RDBMS systems. Moreover, in the context of making cleaner and clearer interfaces in mw-core, going with option (1) would do us a lot of good in terms of reassessing internal interfaces and those exposed to extensions and to external entities.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(\/me puts his TechCom hat on.) \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_16\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Anomie\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e do you think this needs more discussion here or would you like to request an IRC RFC meeting? Most of the discussion here seems to have been focused on proprietary software and our CI and licences.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_446\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ms665yc73j6nadjitytk\/PHID-FILE-mocohumlrcbe2lcuplml\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/5\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_444\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_445\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"4981445\" id=\"4981445\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_443\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_168\"\u003eAnomie\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#4981445\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_442\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eFeb 25 2019, 4:17 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-02-25 16:17:08 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_440\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_441\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_169\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eYeah, I think it's about time to have an actual RFC meeting. Although, assuming it's approved, it'll probably be a quarter or so before I have time to actually start working on it.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_458\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/3ndsxtl44eofytwep42p\/PHID-FILE-4ybkrghfwjvx4ndzbgkv\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/kchapman\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-yellow \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/21\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_456\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-users\" data-meta=\"0_457\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"4994468\" id=\"4994468\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-columns phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_454\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/kchapman\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_170\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e kchapman\u003c\/a\u003e moved this task from \u003ca href=\"\/project\/board\/52\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-status-closed\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_171\"\u003eUnder discussion\u003c\/a\u003e to \u003ca href=\"\/project\/board\/52\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-status-closed\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_172\"\u003eRequest IRC meeting\u003c\/a\u003e on the \u003ca href=\"\/tag\/techcom-rfc\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-status-closed\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_173\"\u003eTechCom-RFC\u003c\/a\u003e board.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#4994468\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_453\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 1 2019, 7:12 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-01 19:12:22 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_455\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/kchapman\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_175\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e kchapman\u003c\/a\u003e subscribed.\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_451\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_452\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_174\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eTechCom is hosting an IRC meeting next week March 6 2pm PST(22:00 UTC, 23:00 CET) in #wikimedia-office\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_469\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/v5wmnfiaelrd6nztxd3a\/PHID-FILE-s57znldbv3qchtewuryd\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/14\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_467\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-empire\" data-meta=\"0_468\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"4997772\" id=\"4997772\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_466\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_177\"\u003edaniel\u003c\/a\u003e subscribed.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#4997772\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_465\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 4 2019, 1:56 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-04 13:56:55 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_463\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_464\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_176\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#4689449\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_17\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#4689449\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Legoktm\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_18\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Legoktm\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eWikimedia CI as a matter of principle (backed up by the terms of use) isn't going to support any non-free software regardless of whether it's installed locally or connecting over the network.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNot supporting CI for any non-free software, but having support for that non-free software in core, seems contradictory. We should have both, or neither.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_479\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/taupgzy6crca3tqvilyt\/PHID-FILE-qpx6bguelua3oeqwb7km\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/HappyDog\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"4997944\" id=\"4997944\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_478\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/HappyDog\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_178\"\u003eHappyDog\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003eEdited\u003cspan class=\"visual-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e \u00b7 \u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"#4997944\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_477\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 4 2019, 2:53 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-04 14:53:26 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_475\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_476\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_179\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#4997771\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_20\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#4997771\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_22\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@daniel\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#4689449\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_19\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#4689449\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Legoktm\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_21\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Legoktm\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eWikimedia CI as a matter of principle (backed up by the terms of use) isn't going to support any non-free software regardless of whether it's installed locally or connecting over the network.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNot supporting CI for any non-free software, but having support for that non-free software in core, seems contradictory. We should have both, or neither.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI agree - seems a bit of a double standard!\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAlso, it's a bit of an odd approach to say we have the code and we have the tests, but we're not going to run the tests.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_492\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/m25d4sm73mzvfxk7efxx\/PHID-FILE-zigk2s47ziyr7hqvpw7v\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/17\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_488\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_489\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/15\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_490\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-eye\" data-meta=\"0_491\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"4998317\" id=\"4998317\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_487\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_180\"\u003eLadsgroup\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#4998317\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_486\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 4 2019, 4:16 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-04 16:16:21 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_484\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_485\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_181\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#4997771\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_23\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#4997771\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_24\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@daniel\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eNot supporting CI for any non-free software, but having support for that non-free software in core, seems contradictory. We should have both, or neither.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eCorrect me if I'm wrong but it seems the reason for this is that our current system is not extendible for other types of databases so it's either we support it or we can't support it (even through an extension). This is one of things this RFC can look into and move away MSSQL and other propriety databases to extensions and leave it to people who wants to maintain it.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_503\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ms665yc73j6nadjitytk\/PHID-FILE-mocohumlrcbe2lcuplml\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/5\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_501\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_502\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"4998548\" id=\"4998548\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_500\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_182\"\u003eAnomie\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#4998548\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_499\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 4 2019, 4:50 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-04 16:50:50 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_497\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_498\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_183\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#4998317\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_25\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#4998317\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_26\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Ladsgroup\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eCorrect me if I'm wrong but it seems the reason for this is that our current system is not extendible for other types of databases so it's either we support it or we can't support it (even through an extension). This is one of things this RFC can look into and move away MSSQL and other propriety databases to extensions and leave it to people who wants to maintain it.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou're right, at least from a practical standpoint.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTechnically you could probably have an extension that adds support for some other database now: the user would load your extension in LocalSettings.php and configure $wgDBtype, $wgLBFactoryConf, and so on to use your database classes rather than one of the built-in ones. But it would be a lot of work to actually get it started and even more to keep up to date:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eYou'd have to have your own version of tables.sql in your extension, or else you'd need to write code to parse core's maintenance\/tables.sql (or maintenance\/postgres\/tables.sql, maintenance\/mssql\/tables.sql, or maintenance\/oracle\/tables.sql) and turn it into something that works for your new DB.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eThen you'd need to keep up with every core schema change (or somehow get the changes from the DatabaseUpdater subclass, including parsing the patch files in maintenance\/archives\/).\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eAlso, to work with extensions, you'd need to duplicate or similarly parse the DB changes they inject with the LoadExtensionSchemaUpdates hooks.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhat would probably actually happen is that you'd keep up with it for a short time, then lose interest (or stop having that as part of your job at a third party) and abandon the extension. And likely no one else would bother to pick it up.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIf this RFC is implemented, it would be a lot more straightforward: you'd implement an interface with methods like "tableExists()", "createTable()", "addColumn()", and so on for specific schema-change operations and be done. The rest of the details of handling schema creation and schema change are handled for you by core code calling that interface's methods.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_512\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/res\/phabricator\/e132bb6a\/rsrc\/image\/avatar.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Freakolowsky\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5000601\" id=\"5000601\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_511\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Freakolowsky\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_184\"\u003eFreakolowsky\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5000601\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_510\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 5 2019, 8:06 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-05 08:06:53 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_508\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_509\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_185\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI agree with \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_27\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Anomie\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e  ...\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMoving a proprietary DB type to extension and make the extension maintainer keep up with the changes makes it essentially unusable. Even when i was actively working on Oracle support i had trouble keeping up with the changes and in many cases trying to convince the core DB devs that some changes are not even applicable for my back-end.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHonestly, unless you not only standardize trough abstraction the DDL, but also ALL of DQL and DML trough an abstraction layer without ANY hard coded  SQL it's a loosing battle for anyone who picks it up. I doubt that anyone will be able to pull such abstraction off anyway. There were many attempts and it always came down to sacrificing WMF branch performance to maintain the abstraction or a heap of exceptions which never played well for others. I'd say it's a waste of time to even consider it.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo while it was fun  working on this project i have lost track of the changes more than a year ago and I think it's best interest of everyone, that if you do not plan to keep it in the core and offer active support and maintenance from the core dev side, to just draw a line and drop the proprietary DB code from repos.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_523\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/v5wmnfiaelrd6nztxd3a\/PHID-FILE-s57znldbv3qchtewuryd\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/14\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_521\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-empire\" data-meta=\"0_522\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5000604\" id=\"5000604\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_520\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_186\"\u003edaniel\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5000604\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_519\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 5 2019, 8:16 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-05 08:16:05 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_517\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_518\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_187\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5000601\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_28\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5000601\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Freakolowsky\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_29\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Freakolowsky\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eSo while it was fun  working on this project i have lost track of the changes more than a year ago and I think it's best interest of everyone, that if you do not plan to keep it in the core and offer active support and maintenance from the core dev side, to just draw a line and drop the proprietary DB code from repos.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIndeed. If we don't have quality assurance for it, we should not ship it. If we don't do proprietary DBs in CI, we should not have them in core. I'm in favor of dropping support for them, it was never complete anyway.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe abstraction layer would still be useful to remove the need of manually maintaining patches for postgres and sqlite.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_534\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/lmqso2pdiuhzvrx7fltm\/PHID-FILE-g4ayg62xazjsnsxkgiqt\/alphanumeric_lato-dark_L.png-_48a3ba-0%2C0%2C0%2C0.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Legoktm\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/17\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_532\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_533\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5000608\" id=\"5000608\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_531\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Legoktm\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_188\"\u003eLegoktm\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5000608\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_530\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 5 2019, 8:20 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-05 08:20:22 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_528\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_529\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_189\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#4997771\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_31\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#4997771\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_33\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@daniel\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#4689449\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_30\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#4689449\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Legoktm\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_32\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Legoktm\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eWikimedia CI as a matter of principle (backed up by the terms of use) isn't going to support any non-free software regardless of whether it's installed locally or connecting over the network.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNot supporting CI for any non-free software, but having support for that non-free software in core, seems contradictory. We should have both, or neither.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAre you proposing to drop support for all calls to \u003ctt class=\"remarkup-monospaced\"\u003ewfIsWindows()\u003c\/tt\u003e for Windows compatibility or any macOS workarounds? What about the few hacks that are there for proprietary webservers? Or the compatibility JavaScript we have for proprietary web browsers? None of those run through our CI.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI'm always one of the first ones to advocate for free software, but taking the philosophy of dropping support for all non-free software in core seems not well thought out.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_545\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/v5wmnfiaelrd6nztxd3a\/PHID-FILE-s57znldbv3qchtewuryd\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/14\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_543\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-empire\" data-meta=\"0_544\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5000704\" id=\"5000704\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_542\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_190\"\u003edaniel\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5000704\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_541\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 5 2019, 9:16 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-05 09:16:14 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_539\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_540\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_191\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5000608\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_34\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5000608\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Legoktm\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_35\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Legoktm\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eAre you proposing to drop support for all calls to \u003ctt class=\"remarkup-monospaced\"\u003ewfIsWindows()\u003c\/tt\u003e for Windows compatibility or any macOS workarounds? What about the few hacks that are there for proprietary webservers? Or the compatibility JavaScript we have for proprietary web browsers? None of those run through our CI.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIf we ship them, they should run through CI. "We write code for it but we don't test it" seems a bad idea to me. But discussion of this argument with regards to things other than databases is off topic here.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_554\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/res\/phabricator\/e132bb6a\/rsrc\/image\/avatar.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Freakolowsky\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5000818\" id=\"5000818\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_553\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Freakolowsky\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_192\"\u003eFreakolowsky\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5000818\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_552\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 5 2019, 9:58 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-05 09:58:07 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_550\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_551\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_193\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5000604\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_36\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5000604\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_37\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@daniel\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eThe abstraction layer would still be useful to remove the need of manually maintaining patches for postgres and sqlite.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDon't get me wrong .... the abstraction layer for DB is necessary, because the current state is a PITA to maintain even without the proprietary DBs.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_565\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/lmqso2pdiuhzvrx7fltm\/PHID-FILE-g4ayg62xazjsnsxkgiqt\/alphanumeric_lato-dark_L.png-_48a3ba-0%2C0%2C0%2C0.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Legoktm\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/17\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_563\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_564\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5002737\" id=\"5002737\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_562\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Legoktm\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_194\"\u003eLegoktm\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5002737\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_561\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 5 2019, 7:34 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-05 19:34:04 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_559\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_560\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_195\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5000704\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_38\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5000704\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_39\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@daniel\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eBut discussion of this argument with regards to things other than databases is off topic here.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat makes no sense, why is it off topic? I don't think it's very fair for you to make a broad claim saying that we should remove support for non-free software in core that CI doesn't test and then respond to a counter-argument with "that's off topic".\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_574\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/j4jpapwmtp2zkejsliev\/PHID-FILE-hywwt4umgt7mt43u77fn\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Skizzerz\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5002938\" id=\"5002938\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_573\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Skizzerz\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_196\"\u003eSkizzerz\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5002938\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_572\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 5 2019, 8:28 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-05 20:28:21 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_570\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_571\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_197\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5000601\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_40\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5000601\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Freakolowsky\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_41\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Freakolowsky\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eHonestly, unless you not only standardize trough abstraction the DDL, but also ALL of DQL and DML trough an abstraction layer without ANY hard coded  SQL it's a loosing battle for anyone who picks it up. I doubt that anyone will be able to pull such abstraction off anyway. There were many attempts and it always came down to sacrificing WMF branch performance to maintain the abstraction or a heap of exceptions which never played well for others. I'd say it's a waste of time to even consider it.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAbstracting DDL is a good first step towards the above. We have semi-decent abstractions already for the other stuff, although they aren't quite robust enough in some areas. In any case, as long as the wrappers are being used for queries, the db could (worst case) re-write bits of SQL in a way that works for that db. Which is what a number of them currently do. I'd prefer if we could just deprecate and remove DatabaseBase::query() entirely though and shore up the abstraction layers to be able to specify the things that query() is currently being used for. In any case, not relevant to this particular RFC but it's something that I'd love to see long-term.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_586\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ms665yc73j6nadjitytk\/PHID-FILE-mocohumlrcbe2lcuplml\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/5\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_584\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_585\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5003465\" id=\"5003465\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_583\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_198\"\u003eAnomie\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003eEdited\u003cspan class=\"visual-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e \u00b7 \u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5003465\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_582\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 5 2019, 11:24 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-05 23:24:10 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_580\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_581\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_199\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5002737\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_43\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5002737\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Legoktm\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_45\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Legoktm\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5000704\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_42\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5000704\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_44\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@daniel\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eBut discussion of this argument with regards to things other than databases is off topic here.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat makes no sense, why is it off topic? I don't think it's very fair for you to make a broad claim saying that we should remove support for non-free software in core that CI doesn't test and then respond to a counter-argument with "that's off topic".\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhile dropping or extension-izing MSSQL and Oracle support is something to discuss and the extension-izing would be made easier by this RFC, it's mostly not in scope for \u003cstrong\u003ethis RFC\u003c\/strong\u003e. General support for non-free software is even less so. File a separate task if you want to continue discussing that, please, or to some other communications channel.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIn scope are the compatibility issues mentioned in Proposal #1, largely with respect to Oracle, that would likely mean dropping Oracle support unless someone steps up to implement it. MSSQL seems more likely to be able to have something put together mostly-blindly (or without too much demand on a volunteer's time) to maintain nominal support.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_597\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/v5wmnfiaelrd6nztxd3a\/PHID-FILE-s57znldbv3qchtewuryd\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/14\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_595\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-empire\" data-meta=\"0_596\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5003648\" id=\"5003648\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_594\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_200\"\u003edaniel\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5003648\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_593\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 6 2019, 12:40 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-06 00:40:59 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_591\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_592\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_201\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5002737\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_47\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5002737\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Legoktm\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_49\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Legoktm\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5000704\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_46\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5000704\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_48\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@daniel\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eBut discussion of this argument with regards to things other than databases is off topic here.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat makes no sense, why is it off topic? I don't think it's very fair for you to make a broad claim saying that we should remove support for non-free software in core that CI doesn't test and then respond to a counter-argument with "that's off topic".\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI pointed out a rabbit hole, and suggested we avoid going down it right here and now. I'm happy to discuss it at some other place and time, I didn't mean to shut you down.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMy concern here is that, if we don't have CI for the proprietary databases, we have no way to make sure that we don't break support for them (even more) when implementing this proposal.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_606\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/kuhjfipnblrccpjnkeqa\/PHID-FILE-7nhshatqxoccc3cddxq2\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Fheredia\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5005500\" id=\"5005500\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_605\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Fheredia\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_202\"\u003eFheredia\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5005500\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_604\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 6 2019, 3:48 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-06 15:48:47 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_602\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_603\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_203\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5003648\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_52\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5003648\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_55\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@daniel\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5002737\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_51\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5002737\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Legoktm\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_54\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Legoktm\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5000704\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_50\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5000704\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_53\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@daniel\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eBut discussion of this argument with regards to things other than databases is off topic here.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat makes no sense, why is it off topic? I don't think it's very fair for you to make a broad claim saying that we should remove support for non-free software in core that CI doesn't test and then respond to a counter-argument with "that's off topic".\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI pointed out a rabbit hole, and suggested we avoid going down it right here and now. I'm happy to discuss it at some other place and time, I didn't mean to shut you down.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMy concern here is that, if we don't have CI for the proprietary databases, we have no way to make sure that we don't break support for them (even more) when implementing this proposal.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWell, I guess Proposal #2 fits all, if you implement Doctrine Migrations for supported databases, why worry about break not supported Db if they are "not supported"...?\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eProbably a larger community fixing any bugs that exist.... and extend the work to others Db will be easier than with Proposal #1.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOn the other hand, maybe people using Oracle probably are stucked at MW v1.22 or so, which is also not supported anymore. \u003cbr \/\u003e\nHow could this be broken...?\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eJMTC.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_617\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/3ndsxtl44eofytwep42p\/PHID-FILE-4ybkrghfwjvx4ndzbgkv\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/kchapman\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-yellow \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/21\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_615\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-users\" data-meta=\"0_616\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5006942\" id=\"5006942\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_614\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/kchapman\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_204\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e kchapman\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5006942\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_613\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 6 2019, 11:05 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-06 23:05:32 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_611\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_612\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_205\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eTechCom hosted a meeting regarding this today. Below are the minutes and log:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eMinutes: \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/tools.wmflabs.org\/meetbot\/wikimedia-office\/2019\/wikimedia-office.2019-03-06-22.02.html\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttps:\/\/tools.wmflabs.org\/meetbot\/wikimedia-office\/2019\/wikimedia-office.2019-03-06-22.02.html\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eLog: \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/tools.wmflabs.org\/meetbot\/wikimedia-office\/2019\/wikimedia-office.2019-03-06-22.02.log.html\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttps:\/\/tools.wmflabs.org\/meetbot\/wikimedia-office\/2019\/wikimedia-office.2019-03-06-22.02.log.html\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_630\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/m25d4sm73mzvfxk7efxx\/PHID-FILE-zigk2s47ziyr7hqvpw7v\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/17\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_626\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_627\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/15\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_628\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-eye\" data-meta=\"0_629\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5008431\" id=\"5008431\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_625\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_206\"\u003eLadsgroup\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5008431\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_624\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 7 2019, 3:19 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-07 15:19:58 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_622\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_623\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_207\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eReading the minutes of the meeting (sorry I couldn't join)  I volunteer to do a basic research on Doctorine and how feasible it is to use. Is it okay with the TechCom and \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_56\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Anomie\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e ?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_641\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/v5wmnfiaelrd6nztxd3a\/PHID-FILE-s57znldbv3qchtewuryd\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/14\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_639\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-empire\" data-meta=\"0_640\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5008435\" id=\"5008435\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_638\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_208\"\u003edaniel\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5008435\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_637\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 7 2019, 3:21 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-07 15:21:30 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_635\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_636\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_209\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5008431\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_57\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5008431\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_59\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Ladsgroup\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eReading the minutes of the meeting (sorry I couldn't join)  I volunteer to do a basic research on Doctorine and how feasible it is to use. Is it okay with the TechCom and \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_58\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Anomie\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e ?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSounds great, thank you!\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_653\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ms665yc73j6nadjitytk\/PHID-FILE-mocohumlrcbe2lcuplml\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/5\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_651\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_652\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5008437\" id=\"5008437\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_650\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_210\"\u003eAnomie\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003eEdited\u003cspan class=\"visual-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e \u00b7 \u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5008437\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_649\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 7 2019, 3:25 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-07 15:25:09 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_647\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_648\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_211\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5008431\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_60\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5008431\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_62\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Ladsgroup\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eReading the minutes of the meeting (sorry I couldn't join)  I volunteer to do a basic research on Doctorine and how feasible it is to use. Is it okay with the TechCom and \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_61\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Anomie\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e ?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ePlease do!\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou might look over \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/www.mediawiki.org\/wiki\/User:Anomie\/Abstract_schema\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttps:\/\/www.mediawiki.org\/wiki\/User:Anomie\/Abstract_schema\u003c\/a\u003e and \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/www.mediawiki.org\/wiki\/User:Anomie\/Abstract_schema\/DB_Requirements\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttps:\/\/www.mediawiki.org\/wiki\/User:Anomie\/Abstract_schema\/DB_Requirements\u003c\/a\u003e to get an idea of some of the challenges that might be encountered.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_662\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/jdehovsjcgfazs6vfqpt\/PHID-FILE-bmgesxw5kmirrvnahl65\/profile-robocik_kwadrat_384.jpeg)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/saper\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5008865\" id=\"5008865\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_661\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/saper\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_212\"\u003esaper\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5008865\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_660\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 7 2019, 5:35 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-07 17:35:10 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_658\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_659\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_213\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eRecently I got into \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/github.com\/djrobstep\/migra\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttps:\/\/github.com\/djrobstep\/migra\u003c\/a\u003e which does an amazing job for PostgreSQL to create what some people call "migrations" between the database versions. This makes Proposal 1 quite attractive - it could be used to create a target empty schema (from JSON) and then just use such a tool (or similar ones) to migrate. There are limitations (migra itself is PostgreSQL-only, version 10+, other tools must have been used for other DBs), but I wouldn't give up on Proposal 1.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/djrobstep.com\/talks\/your-migrations-are-bad-and-you-should-feel-bad\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttps:\/\/djrobstep.com\/talks\/your-migrations-are-bad-and-you-should-feel-bad\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_673\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ms665yc73j6nadjitytk\/PHID-FILE-mocohumlrcbe2lcuplml\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/5\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_671\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_672\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5009006\" id=\"5009006\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_670\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_214\"\u003eAnomie\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5009006\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_669\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 7 2019, 6:01 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-07 18:01:21 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_667\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_668\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_215\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5008865\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_63\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5008865\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/saper\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_64\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@saper\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/djrobstep.com\/talks\/your-migrations-are-bad-and-you-should-feel-bad\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttps:\/\/djrobstep.com\/talks\/your-migrations-are-bad-and-you-should-feel-bad\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhile that's an interesting slide deck, it seems to be written for a proprietary development shop where you never have to worry about anyone having to upgrade from a version older than X-1. That's not a model we can aim for. In particular, just diffing schemas doesn't tell you anything about what data might need to be migrated from old tables\/columns to new tables\/columns, or how to populate the new non-null no-default column you're adding to a table that's already full of data.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWith Option 1 I do hope to be able to include a maintenance script to show the diff between two schema-files and print differences between the current DB state and the schema-file. We will still have the directory[1] full of schema-change files, but I also hope to include unit tests for "base schema-file + all updates = current schema-file" and "DB loaded with base schema file + all updates = state consistent with the current schema-file".\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e[1]: But just one directory instead of five like we do now!\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_686\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/m25d4sm73mzvfxk7efxx\/PHID-FILE-zigk2s47ziyr7hqvpw7v\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/17\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_682\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_683\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/15\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_684\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-eye\" data-meta=\"0_685\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5009467\" id=\"5009467\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_681\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_216\"\u003eLadsgroup\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5009467\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_680\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 7 2019, 8:16 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-07 20:16:14 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_678\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_679\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_217\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI looked at the codes and doctrine projects. Doctrine as a whole is too much for us, it hides so many things (like database connections) from the outside that is basically unusable. Same goes for Doctrine Migrations. But there is something called \u003cstrong\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/www.doctrine-project.org\/projects\/dbal.html\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003eDoctrine DBAL\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/strong\u003e that seems a good fit for us.\u003cbr \/\u003e\nFor schema creation, We basically check out a yaml\/json\/xml config file (I call it "database scheme config file" from now on) that DBAL can create the schema object for it. Imagine a SchemaBuilder class that does this based on a config file.\u003cbr \/\u003e\n(Example from \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/www.doctrine-project.org\/projects\/doctrine-dbal\/en\/2.9\/reference\/schema-representation.html#schema-representation\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ethe docs\u003c\/a\u003e)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"php\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$schema\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e=\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"k\"\u003enew\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"nc\" data-symbol-name=\"\\Doctrine\\DBAL\\Schema\\Schema\"\u003e\\Doctrine\\DBAL\\Schema\\Schema\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e();\u003c\/span\u003e\n\u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$myTable\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e=\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$schema\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e->\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"na\" data-symbol-name=\"createTable\"\u003ecreateTable\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e(\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"s2\"\u003e"my_table"\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e);\u003c\/span\u003e\n\u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$myTable\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e->\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"na\" data-symbol-name=\"addColumn\"\u003eaddColumn\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e(\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"s2\"\u003e"id"\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e,\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"s2\"\u003e"integer"\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e,\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"k\"\u003earray\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e(\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"s2\"\u003e"unsigned"\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e=>\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"kc\"\u003etrue\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e));\u003c\/span\u003e\n\u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$myTable\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e->\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"na\" data-symbol-name=\"addColumn\"\u003eaddColumn\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e(\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"s2\"\u003e"username"\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e,\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"s2\"\u003e"string"\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e,\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"k\"\u003earray\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e(\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"s2\"\u003e"length"\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e=>\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"mi\"\u003e32\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e));\u003c\/span\u003e\n\u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$myTable\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e->\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"na\" data-symbol-name=\"setPrimaryKey\"\u003esetPrimaryKey\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e(\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"k\"\u003earray\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e(\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"s2\"\u003e"id"\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e));\u003c\/span\u003e\n\u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$myTable\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e->\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"na\" data-symbol-name=\"addUniqueIndex\"\u003eaddUniqueIndex\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e(\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"k\"\u003earray\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e(\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"s2\"\u003e"username"\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e));\u003c\/span\u003e\n\u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$schema\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e->\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"na\" data-symbol-name=\"createSequence\"\u003ecreateSequence\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e(\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"s2\"\u003e"my_table_seq"\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e);\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTurning this into SQL command is pretty easy:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"php\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$queries\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e=\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$schema\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e->\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"na\" data-symbol-name=\"toSql\"\u003etoSql\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e(\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$myPlatform\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e);\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ctt class=\"remarkup-monospaced\"\u003e$myPlatform\u003c\/tt\u003e can be extracted from doctrine connection object (which we don't want to have) OR we can instantiate it directly, For example for MySQL57Platform class (\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/www.doctrine-project.org\/projects\/doctrine-dbal\/en\/2.9\/reference\/platforms.html#platforms\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003eList of all platforms\u003c\/a\u003e). it'll be: \u003ctt class=\"remarkup-monospaced\"\u003e$platform = new MySQL57Platform();\u003c\/tt\u003e\u003cbr \/\u003e\nThe nice thing here is that it has different platforms for different versions of a DBMS. Something that we didn't support before.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eImplementation idea: we can make a class called \u003ctt class=\"remarkup-monospaced\"\u003eDoctrineDatabaseUpdater\u003c\/tt\u003e that extends \u003ctt class=\"remarkup-monospaced\"\u003eDatabaseUpdater\u003c\/tt\u003e and is parallel to \u003ctt class=\"remarkup-monospaced\"\u003eMySqlUpdater\u003c\/tt\u003e and get the platform as a constructor argument.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think we can also handle the table and column prefix automatically in the SchemaBuilder class by just making it to automatically prefix the table\/column name (I'm not sure if it's doable and doesn't confuse the DBAL, needs more investigation)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFor schema changes, there are two ways:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eWe check out all "database schema config file"s into VCS, the system goes through each one of them and builds the schema object using SchemaBuilder class and finds the difference using codes like:\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"php\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$comparator\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e=\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"k\"\u003enew\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"nc\" data-symbol-name=\"\\Doctrine\\DBAL\\Schema\\Comparator\"\u003e\\Doctrine\\DBAL\\Schema\\Comparator\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e();\u003c\/span\u003e\n\u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$schemaDiff\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e=\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$comparator\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e->\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"na\" data-symbol-name=\"compare\"\u003ecompare\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e(\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$fromSchema\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e,\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$toSchema\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e);\u003c\/span\u003e\n\n\u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$queries\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e=\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$schemaDiff\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e->\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"na\" data-symbol-name=\"toSql\"\u003etoSql\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e(\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$myPlatform\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e);\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI don't like this option because it's lots of duplication.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eThe second option here is to put all "databse schema config file"s for stable releases and go through each line of DoctrineDatabaseUpdater and apply them in code and take the SQL out of it and then send it to DatabaseUpdater It should not be super hard to implement.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI like the second option.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt should not be hard to move forward and implement a POC based on what I wrote here but I'm a little bit sick, I'll do it once I get better.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_697\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/v5wmnfiaelrd6nztxd3a\/PHID-FILE-s57znldbv3qchtewuryd\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/14\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_695\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-empire\" data-meta=\"0_696\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5015189\" id=\"5015189\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_694\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_218\"\u003edaniel\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5015189\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_693\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 11 2019, 1:50 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-11 13:50:56 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_691\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_692\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_219\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_65\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Ladsgroup\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e that seems quite promising! \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_66\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Anomie\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, do you think this is ready for a prove-of-concept?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_708\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ms665yc73j6nadjitytk\/PHID-FILE-mocohumlrcbe2lcuplml\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/5\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_706\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_707\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5019017\" id=\"5019017\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_705\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_220\"\u003eAnomie\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5019017\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_704\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 12 2019, 7:56 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-12 19:56:26 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_702\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_703\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_221\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI note the review so far seems to have ignored that part of schema changes is checking the existing schema to determine whether the schema needs changing (MW currently does a somewhat crappy job of this), and also to have ignored data type requirements. But if \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_67\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Ladsgroup\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wants to try writing an implementation, I won't say he can't.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_711\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/xgl3wy55ovinfnucvwhx\/PHID-FILE-zocnksypiqutzf5oubpi\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/tstarling\/\" 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data-meta=\"0_224\"\u003eUnder discussion\u003c\/a\u003e on the \u003ca href=\"\/tag\/techcom-rfc\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-status-closed\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_225\"\u003eTechCom-RFC\u003c\/a\u003e board.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5019873\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_709\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 13 2019, 2:23 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-13 02:23:01 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_720\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca 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subscribed.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5023731\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_718\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 14 2019, 12:11 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-14 12:11:44 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_716\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_717\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_226\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eChange 496421 had a related patch set uploaded (by Ladsgroup; owner: Ladsgroup):\u003cbr \/\u003e\n[mediawiki\/core@master] [POC] USe of Doctrine DBAL for oracle schema and schema changes\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/gerrit.wikimedia.org\/r\/496421\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttps:\/\/gerrit.wikimedia.org\/r\/496421\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_723\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/6vn6slgby7ia62ouikut\/PHID-FILE-ay56qvafgaxajuctgtw3\/profile)\" 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data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_721\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 14 2019, 12:11 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-14 12:11:45 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_736\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/m25d4sm73mzvfxk7efxx\/PHID-FILE-zigk2s47ziyr7hqvpw7v\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/17\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_732\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_733\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/15\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_734\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-eye\" data-meta=\"0_735\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5023737\" id=\"5023737\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_731\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_230\"\u003eLadsgroup\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5023737\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_730\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 14 2019, 12:13 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-14 12:13:48 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_728\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_729\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_231\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5019017\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_68\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5019017\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_69\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Anomie\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI note the review so far seems to have ignored that part of schema changes is checking the existing schema to determine whether the schema needs changing (MW currently does a somewhat crappy job of this).\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eGood point but I think we should focus scope of this ticket to unify and abstract away schema changes and not fix all of the issues with our current schema change system.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eand also to have ignored data type requirements.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThis can be rather easily fixable. Look at the POC.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eBut if \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_70\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Ladsgroup\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wants to try writing an implementation, I won't say he can't.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI just made something concrete so we can discuss about it.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_747\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/v5wmnfiaelrd6nztxd3a\/PHID-FILE-s57znldbv3qchtewuryd\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/14\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_745\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-empire\" data-meta=\"0_746\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5023787\" id=\"5023787\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_744\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_232\"\u003edaniel\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5023787\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_743\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 14 2019, 12:51 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-14 12:51:14 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_741\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_742\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_233\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5023737\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_72\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5023737\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_74\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Ladsgroup\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5019017\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_71\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5019017\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_73\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Anomie\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI note the review so far seems to have ignored that part of schema changes is checking the existing schema to determine whether the schema needs changing (MW currently does a somewhat crappy job of this).\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eGood point but I think we should focus scope of this ticket to unify and abstract away schema changes and not fix all of the issues with our current schema change system.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI'd argue that this is in scope: in order to perform schema changes, you need to know what changes to perform. I mean, we can simply use the old system for that, at least for now, if it's sufficiently generic and working for all database types. But it would have to be clear how the old and the new system relate to each other, whether they use the same underlying connection, etc.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_758\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ms665yc73j6nadjitytk\/PHID-FILE-mocohumlrcbe2lcuplml\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/5\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_756\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_757\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5024507\" id=\"5024507\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_755\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_234\"\u003eAnomie\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5024507\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_754\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 14 2019, 4:07 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-14 16:07:30 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_752\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_753\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_235\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5023737\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_76\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5023737\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_78\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Ladsgroup\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5019017\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_75\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5019017\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_77\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Anomie\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI note the review so far seems to have ignored that part of schema changes is checking the existing schema to determine whether the schema needs changing (MW currently does a somewhat crappy job of this).\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eGood point but I think we should focus scope of this ticket to unify and abstract away schema changes and not fix all of the issues with our current schema change system.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eChecking the existing schema is part of the existing system. Part of the focus of this ticket[1] \u003cem\u003eis already\u003c\/em\u003e to improve that to be easier for developers to do the right thing.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e[1]: I should know, as the author of the RFC.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_761\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ms665yc73j6nadjitytk\/PHID-FILE-mocohumlrcbe2lcuplml\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5024627\" id=\"5024627\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-link phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_760\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_236\"\u003eAnomie\u003c\/a\u003e mentioned this in \u003ca href=\"\/T198341\" class=\"phui-handle handle-status-closed\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_237\"\u003eT198341: Remove all references to the rev_text_id and ar_text_id fields\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5024627\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_759\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 14 2019, 4:35 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-14 16:35:17 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_774\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/m25d4sm73mzvfxk7efxx\/PHID-FILE-zigk2s47ziyr7hqvpw7v\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/17\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_770\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_771\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/15\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_772\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-eye\" data-meta=\"0_773\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5026755\" id=\"5026755\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_769\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_238\"\u003eLadsgroup\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5026755\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_768\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 15 2019, 10:59 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-15 10:59:47 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_766\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_767\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_239\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI'm sorry for the misunderstanding, as you wish. The POC is basically what I could get out of Doctring DBAL. If you think it's not good enough, we can go with the first proposal. I leave the decision to others in here.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_785\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/v5wmnfiaelrd6nztxd3a\/PHID-FILE-s57znldbv3qchtewuryd\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/14\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_783\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-empire\" data-meta=\"0_784\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5026756\" id=\"5026756\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_782\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_240\"\u003edaniel\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5026756\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_781\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 15 2019, 11:02 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-15 11:02:22 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_779\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_780\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_241\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI would like to understand the problem better. If DBAL can do the schema changes, why can't we use it for the schema changes, even if it doesn't help us with the other parts of the issue?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_798\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/m25d4sm73mzvfxk7efxx\/PHID-FILE-zigk2s47ziyr7hqvpw7v\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/17\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_794\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_795\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/15\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_796\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-eye\" data-meta=\"0_797\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5028376\" id=\"5028376\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_793\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_242\"\u003eLadsgroup\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5028376\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_792\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 15 2019, 9:09 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-15 21:09:11 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_790\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_791\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_243\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5026756\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_79\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5026756\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_80\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@daniel\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI would like to understand the problem better. If DBAL can do the schema changes, why can't we use it for the schema changes, even if it doesn't help us with the other parts of the issue?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYes, That's my suggestion here, we can use DBAL as much as possible and write other parts we need.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_809\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/v5wmnfiaelrd6nztxd3a\/PHID-FILE-s57znldbv3qchtewuryd\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/14\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_807\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-empire\" data-meta=\"0_808\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5031818\" id=\"5031818\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_806\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_244\"\u003edaniel\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5031818\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_805\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 18 2019, 10:08 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-18 10:08:18 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_803\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_804\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_245\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5028376\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_81\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5028376\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_82\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Ladsgroup\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eYes, That's my suggestion here, we can use DBAL as much as possible and write other parts we need.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_83\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Anomie\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e do you see a problem with that? Or do you think that writing the other parts will rendering using DBAL for the actual schema change redundant? It seems to me like we mostly have the other parts in place (doing selects, checking whether a table, field or index exists, etc). So why not just keep that as it is, and use DBAL instead of plain SQL code for the schema changes?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_820\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ms665yc73j6nadjitytk\/PHID-FILE-mocohumlrcbe2lcuplml\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/5\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_818\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_819\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5032958\" id=\"5032958\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_817\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_246\"\u003eAnomie\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5032958\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_816\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 18 2019, 2:58 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-18 14:58:26 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_814\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_815\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_247\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI'm worried that we'll wind up doing more work to address mismatches between DBAL and MediaWiki than we would to just directly implement code that works as part of Wikimedia\\Rdbms without mismatches.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat said, though, I've been busy the past week and haven't had a chance to look at the code yet. I may find that my skepticism is unfounded. I hope to get a chance to review it this week.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt also sounds like using DBAL, if it works out, would be only one piece of the whole task here? So some amount of additional development would probably be needed in any case to achieve the goals here.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_831\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/v5wmnfiaelrd6nztxd3a\/PHID-FILE-s57znldbv3qchtewuryd\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/14\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_829\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-empire\" data-meta=\"0_830\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5033154\" id=\"5033154\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_828\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_248\"\u003edaniel\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5033154\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_827\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 18 2019, 3:31 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-18 15:31:02 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_825\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_826\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_249\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5032958\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_84\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5032958\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_85\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Anomie\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eIt also sounds like using DBAL, if it works out, would be only one piece of the whole task here? So some amount of additional development would probably be needed in any case to achieve the goals here.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYes, seems like it. DBAL may be useful, but won't be sufficient.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_840\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ibwvwnryaftpycp36sta\/PHID-FILE-c33l454n2a6u7jgrvqim\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/TheDJ\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5035256\" id=\"5035256\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_839\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/TheDJ\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_250\"\u003eTheDJ\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5035256\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_838\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 19 2019, 10:16 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-19 10:16:28 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_836\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_837\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_251\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI've said it before, but for work I'm really loving \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/laravel.com\/docs\/5.8\/migrations\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003elaravel migrations\u003c\/a\u003e (Also DBAL, but with its own layers\/subclasses around it). The class design can be found at \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/laravel.com\/api\/5.8\/Illuminate\/Database\/Schema.html\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003eSchema\u003c\/a\u003e and \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/laravel.com\/api\/5.8\/Illuminate\/Database\/Migrations.html\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003eMigrations\u003c\/a\u003e if anyone wants some inspiration for our own solution. See \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/laravel.com\/api\/5.8\/Illuminate\/Database\/Schema\/Blueprint.html\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003eBlueprint class\u003c\/a\u003e for where they implement their own mwtimestamp stuff for instance. I also like how they defined \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/laravel.com\/api\/5.8\/Illuminate\/Database\/Schema\/Grammars.html\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003eGrammers\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHowever I will point out that when it comes to migrations, indeed especially wrt SQLite (i usually run unittests against sqlite), it's still not fully transparent. Some migrations are simply problematic (column type changes), though it is pretty easy to conditionally modify your migration to do connector specific things.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLastly I'd like to highlight some of the tooling features of \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/laravel.com\/docs\/5.8\/migrations\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003eLaravel migrations\u003c\/a\u003e [artisan migrate] that I like (esp for development, test and staging) and that we should maybe consider adding to update.php long term (maybe separate ticket?):\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003col class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eTracking of which migration has run (and when) in a migrations table\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eThere is a --pretend option to dump the SQL queries that will be run (bit like our --schema option)\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eThere is a --step option to allow you to do migrations 1 by 1, instead of bulk\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eAll migrations have a rollback function that you can implement allowing you to undo your change.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eEasily bootstrap\/make a new migration class\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eTakes into account maintenance mode\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ol\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNow I think that running migrations on Wikimedia is a lot harder than what this still relatively simple tooling allows for, but in my opinion the pre-WMF-production workflow improvements in itself would be worth having these features.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eJust my brain dump.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_853\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/m25d4sm73mzvfxk7efxx\/PHID-FILE-zigk2s47ziyr7hqvpw7v\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/17\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_849\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_850\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/15\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_851\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-eye\" data-meta=\"0_852\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5058412\" id=\"5058412\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_848\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_252\"\u003eLadsgroup\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5058412\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_847\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 26 2019, 3:08 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-26 15:08:28 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_845\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_846\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_253\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eSo I talked to \u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_86\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@daniel\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e yesterday and went through the POC together. This is my proposed solution based on Doctoring DBAL:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eNothing in mediawiki changes except we replace *.sql files with *.json ones that are DBMS-agnostic (so one per schema change, and one central tables.json for fresh installations)\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eWe need to write some classes that turn this json data to doctrine DBAL "\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/github.com\/doctrine\/dbal\/blob\/master\/lib\/Doctrine\/DBAL\/Schema\/Schema.php\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003eSchema\u003c\/a\u003e" (for replacing tables.sql) or "\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/github.com\/doctrine\/dbal\/blob\/master\/lib\/Doctrine\/DBAL\/Schema\/SchemaDiff.php\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003eSchemaDiff\u003c\/a\u003e" (for replacing other sql files) abstract objects.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eDatabaseUpdater and installers basically define a Doctorine DBAL platform (for example "\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/github.com\/doctrine\/dbal\/blob\/master\/lib\/Doctrine\/DBAL\/Platforms\/SqlitePlatform.php\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003eSqlitePlatform\u003c\/a\u003e") The platform is responsible to turning the abstract objects to sql commands.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eEverything else stays the same including the way mediawiki checks for current schema to determine whether it would apply the patch or not. This narrows focus of the RFC a bit.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_865\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/v5wmnfiaelrd6nztxd3a\/PHID-FILE-s57znldbv3qchtewuryd\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/14\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_863\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-empire\" data-meta=\"0_864\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5058515\" id=\"5058515\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_862\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_254\"\u003edaniel\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003eEdited\u003cspan class=\"visual-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e \u00b7 \u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5058515\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_861\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 26 2019, 3:27 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-26 15:27:42 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_859\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_860\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_255\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eOn thing worth pointing out, which I learned talking to \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_87\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Ladsgroup\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e yesterday: DBAL turns an abstract schema or schema update (written in JSON) into SQL - nothing more. It doesn't need a database connection, it doesn't want to talk to any database at all, it just generates SQL statements. So it seems a good tool for specifying our schema and schema changes in a database agnostic way, without having to change a lot of scary and brittle code.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_874\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/taupgzy6crca3tqvilyt\/PHID-FILE-qpx6bguelua3oeqwb7km\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/HappyDog\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5063939\" id=\"5063939\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_873\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/HappyDog\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_256\"\u003eHappyDog\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5063939\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_872\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 27 2019, 9:41 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-27 21:41:40 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_870\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_871\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_257\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5058412\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_88\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5058412\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_89\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Ladsgroup\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eNothing in mediawiki changes except we replace *.sql files with *.json ones that are DBMS-agnostic (so one per schema change, and one central tables.json for fresh installations)\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eCan I re-iterate my previous concern about using JSON as the data format, given that \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/stackoverflow.com\/questions\/244777\/can-comments-be-used-in-json\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003eJSON doesn't support comments\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOver 50% of the lines in tables.sql are comments, and these comments are crucial documentation in understanding the schema and the basic functioning of MediaWiki.  It is therefore vital that any solution preserves this inline documentation.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo, what is the proposed method of doing that?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_887\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/m25d4sm73mzvfxk7efxx\/PHID-FILE-zigk2s47ziyr7hqvpw7v\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/17\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_883\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_884\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/15\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_885\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-eye\" data-meta=\"0_886\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5064152\" id=\"5064152\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_882\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_258\"\u003eLadsgroup\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5064152\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_881\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 27 2019, 10:14 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-27 22:14:23 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_879\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_880\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_259\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5063939\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_90\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5063939\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/HappyDog\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_91\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@HappyDog\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eCan I re-iterate my previous concern about using JSON as the data format, given that \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/stackoverflow.com\/questions\/244777\/can-comments-be-used-in-json\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003eJSON doesn't support comments\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOver 50% of the lines in tables.sql are comments, and these comments are crucial documentation in understanding the schema and the basic functioning of MediaWiki.  It is therefore vital that any solution preserves this inline documentation.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo, what is the proposed method of doing that?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat's a very valid concern, the thing is the part that turns json config to php abstract schema objects needs to be written in mediawiki so we have freedom to choose whatever we want. We can even go yaml (the reason I went with json was 1- php has a straightforward support for json 2- extension.json and i18n json files are pretty common in mediawiki while yaml is not used much). I'm open to ideas for this part. The way extension registry works with comments is also can be used here.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_896\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/biyialftej5zydh2v4t7\/PHID-FILE-hadstttxv543p5lf44xo\/profile-me.jpeg)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Milimetric\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5064602\" id=\"5064602\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_895\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Milimetric\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_261\"\u003eMilimetric\u003c\/a\u003e subscribed.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5064602\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_894\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 28 2019, 2:16 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-28 02:16:18 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_892\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_893\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_260\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eOver 50% of the lines in tables.sql are comments, and these comments are crucial documentation in understanding the schema and the basic functioning of MediaWiki.  It is therefore vital that any solution preserves this inline documentation.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI'm open to ideas for this part.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe current schema has no table or column comments.  And the documentation on mediawiki.org (eg. \u003ca href=\"http:\/\/www.mediawiki.org\/wiki\/Manual:Logging_table\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttp:\/\/www.mediawiki.org\/wiki\/Manual:Logging_table\u003c\/a\u003e) is frequently out of date (like log_type\/log_action).  Luckily both the current system's problem and the problem you mention here have the same solution: put comments in the columns and tables themselves.  There should be a place in the JSON for these, as they're part of standard create table statements.  This should be the canonical documentation of the schema, and it would then be usable from any replicas and documentation generation scripts.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_899\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/x6fn4twohsiictamz65s\/PHID-FILE-2itdywof6ttpeb6suxa2\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Marostegui\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5064784\" id=\"5064784\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_898\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Marostegui\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_262\"\u003eMarostegui\u003c\/a\u003e subscribed.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5064784\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_897\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 28 2019, 6:15 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-28 06:15:35 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_910\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/v5wmnfiaelrd6nztxd3a\/PHID-FILE-s57znldbv3qchtewuryd\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/14\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_908\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-empire\" data-meta=\"0_909\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5067674\" id=\"5067674\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_907\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_263\"\u003edaniel\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5067674\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_906\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 28 2019, 8:54 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-28 20:54:23 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_904\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_905\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_264\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_93\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Ladsgroup\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e Did you check how DBAL holds up against the heap of nasty edge cases that \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_94\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Anomie\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e compiled? \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/www.mediawiki.org\/wiki\/User:Anomie\/Abstract_schema\/DB_Requirements\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttps:\/\/www.mediawiki.org\/wiki\/User:Anomie\/Abstract_schema\/DB_Requirements\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAlso, there is the issue of long term ownership of the code. Once it's written, who maintains it? It seems to me like this would fall to the \u003ca href=\"\/tag\/platform_engineering\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-shade phui-tag-disabled phui-tag-shade phui-tag-icon-view \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_96\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core \"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-users\" data-meta=\"0_95\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003ePlatform Engineering\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e. \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_97\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Anomie\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, if \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_98\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Ladsgroup\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e implements this as proposed by him in \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5058412\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_92\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5058412\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, would you be willing to do code review on that implementation, and maintain the code in the long term? If not, I may be able to take this on myself, btu I have less experience with the schema updater code and all the little things that can go wrong there.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_923\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/m25d4sm73mzvfxk7efxx\/PHID-FILE-zigk2s47ziyr7hqvpw7v\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/17\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_919\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_920\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/15\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_921\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-eye\" data-meta=\"0_922\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5071917\" id=\"5071917\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_918\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_265\"\u003eLadsgroup\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5071917\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_917\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 30 2019, 4:54 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-30 16:54:32 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_915\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_916\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_266\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5067674\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_99\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5067674\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_102\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@daniel\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_100\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Ladsgroup\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e Did you check how DBAL holds up against the heap of nasty edge cases that \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_101\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Anomie\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e compiled? \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/www.mediawiki.org\/wiki\/User:Anomie\/Abstract_schema\/DB_Requirements\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttps:\/\/www.mediawiki.org\/wiki\/User:Anomie\/Abstract_schema\/DB_Requirements\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThis is a really long list ;)\u003cbr \/\u003e\nAs far as I checked (which might be incomplete). The DBAL either handles them or error out. For example, in case of identifier validity, DBAL has method for that which each platform (DBMS) implements. For example \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/github.com\/doctrine\/dbal\/blob\/master\/lib\/Doctrine\/DBAL\/Platforms\/OraclePlatform.php#L42\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ethis is the identifier validator in Oracle\u003c\/a\u003e which strangely doesn't have any size limit. For the rest of requirements, the check can be done in SchemaBuilder object that we supposed to write for example the check that the foreign key actually points to a primary or unique column in another table can be done in SchemaBuilder.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe nice thing we can now have with DBAL is that in our CI we can make it our abstract schema be tested against all DBMSes by trying to turn the abstract php objects to SQL commands in all of supported platforms (which now we can add even more DBMSes like SQLAnywhere,  SQLAzure, etc. to the list) and check if they error out because DBAL can catch most of the edgecases as I exampled above.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDatatypes are mapped from Doctroine datatypes to the DBMS ones. \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/github.com\/doctrine\/dbal\/blob\/master\/lib\/Doctrine\/DBAL\/Platforms\/OraclePlatform.php#L1133\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003eAn example\u003c\/a\u003e. By searching "length" in the Sqlite platform, I find the sophisticated way to handle length.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_926\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/mnn6n3d4yj6rt5gzndq5\/PHID-FILE-6zzeafreuspccjbzdvmj\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/edwardspec\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5071947\" id=\"5071947\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-times phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_925\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/edwardspec\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_267\"\u003eedwardspec\u003c\/a\u003e unsubscribed.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5071947\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_924\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMar 30 2019, 5:40 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-03-30 17:40:55 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_929\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/v5wmnfiaelrd6nztxd3a\/PHID-FILE-s57znldbv3qchtewuryd\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5084604\" id=\"5084604\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-link phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_928\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_268\"\u003edaniel\u003c\/a\u003e mentioned this in \u003ca href=\"\/T219805\" class=\"phui-handle handle-status-closed\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_269\"\u003eT219805: Investigate Doctrine DBAL usage possibility\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5084604\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_927\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eApr 4 2019, 11:18 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-04-04 11:18:46 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_932\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/v5wmnfiaelrd6nztxd3a\/PHID-FILE-s57znldbv3qchtewuryd\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5120456\" id=\"5120456\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-link phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_931\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_270\"\u003edaniel\u003c\/a\u003e mentioned this in \u003ca href=\"\/T208345\" class=\"phui-handle\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_271\"\u003eT208345: Add AWS Aurora MySQL Driver\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5120456\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_930\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eApr 17 2019, 8:02 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-04-17 20:02:55 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_935\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/woaup5gfhgyt3xpvwi4f\/PHID-FILE-xcnwlpurjz3rsuiv56td\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Tgr\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5157116\" id=\"5157116\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-link phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_934\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Tgr\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_272\"\u003eTgr\u003c\/a\u003e mentioned this in \u003ca href=\"\/T158929\" class=\"phui-handle handle-status-closed\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_273\"\u003eT158929: Librarize MediaWiki database layer and drop official support for non-MySQL engines\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5157116\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_933\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMay 3 2019, 11:23 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-05-03 23:23:02 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_948\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/m25d4sm73mzvfxk7efxx\/PHID-FILE-zigk2s47ziyr7hqvpw7v\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/17\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_944\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_945\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/15\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_946\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-eye\" data-meta=\"0_947\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5220014\" id=\"5220014\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_943\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_274\"\u003eLadsgroup\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5220014\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_942\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMay 29 2019, 10:10 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-05-29 10:10:48 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_940\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_941\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_275\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eIn the discussion with \u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_103\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@daniel\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e and \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_104\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Anomie\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e it become apparent that it's better to drop support for Oracle and MSSQL before trying to abstract it and moving support to extensions and if someone wants to maintain the support, they should do it in the extension.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_951\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/mcdy6bokf2bfd6lhrj5x\/PHID-FILE-hvay22mxxy4ab7u76frl\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Addshore\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5221556\" id=\"5221556\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-times phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_950\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Addshore\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_276\"\u003eAddshore\u003c\/a\u003e unsubscribed.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5221556\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_949\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMay 29 2019, 4:34 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-05-29 16:34:24 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_964\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/m25d4sm73mzvfxk7efxx\/PHID-FILE-zigk2s47ziyr7hqvpw7v\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/17\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_960\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_961\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/15\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_962\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-eye\" data-meta=\"0_963\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5229058\" id=\"5229058\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_959\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_277\"\u003eLadsgroup\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5229058\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_958\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJun 3 2019, 1:30 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-06-03 01:30:23 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_956\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_957\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_278\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eTo recap. I suggest these two:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eDrop official support for Oracle and MSSQL\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eUse Doctorine DBAL to handle SQL generation of schema and schem changes (practically turning .sql files to .json files)\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIf there's no objection in the next week, I will request a last call on this.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_975\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/v5wmnfiaelrd6nztxd3a\/PHID-FILE-s57znldbv3qchtewuryd\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/14\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_973\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-empire\" data-meta=\"0_974\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5229467\" id=\"5229467\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_972\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_279\"\u003edaniel\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5229467\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_971\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJun 3 2019, 8:22 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-06-03 08:22:11 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_969\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_970\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_280\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5229058\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_105\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5229058\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_106\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Ladsgroup\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eTo recap. I suggest these two:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eDrop official support for Oracle and MSSQL\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eUse Doctorine DBAL to handle SQL generation of schema and schem changes (practically turning .sql files to .json files)\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIf there's no objection in the next week, I will request a last call on this.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFor a meaningful last call, it would have to made clear what it would take to implement Oracle and MSSQL support in an extension. From what I understand, the problem is that the schemas we currently maintain in core for Oracle and MSSQL have diverged significantly from the MySQL schema in some places. What would an extension that provides support for Oracle (or MSSQL) have to do to handle these differences?\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eKnowing how hard it will be to move Oracle and MSSQL to extensions will allow us to assess the implications of dropping support from core: does it just mean that someone has to write a few hundred lines of compat code in an extension, or is the task much more complex, meaning that we'd be dropping support for these databases entirely?\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIf we end up dropping Oracle and MSSQL entirely, we'd be using DBAL mostly to convert from MySQL to PostGres. Is that worth the effort?\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThese seem to be the trade-offs we should be considering.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_988\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/m25d4sm73mzvfxk7efxx\/PHID-FILE-zigk2s47ziyr7hqvpw7v\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/17\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_984\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_985\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/15\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_986\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-eye\" data-meta=\"0_987\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5229604\" id=\"5229604\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_983\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_281\"\u003eLadsgroup\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5229604\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_982\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJun 3 2019, 9:31 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-06-03 09:31:17 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_980\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_981\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_282\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eThanks for the comment :)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5229467\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_107\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5229467\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_108\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@daniel\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eFor a meaningful last call, it would have to made clear what it would take to implement Oracle and MSSQL support in an extension. From what I understand, the problem is that the schemas we currently maintain in core for Oracle and MSSQL have diverged significantly from the MySQL schema in some places. What would an extension that provides support for Oracle (or MSSQL) have to do to handle these differences?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI would say there is no need or at least it's not worth the effort. The Oracle or MSSQL were not just diverged but actually broken for a very long time (and no one noticed).\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThis is my favorite example: \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/gerrit.wikimedia.org\/r\/c\/mediawiki\/core\/+\/480554\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttps:\/\/gerrit.wikimedia.org\/r\/c\/mediawiki\/core\/+\/480554\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cbr \/\u003e\nMore than four full cycle releases or in other words two years, our schema for MSSQL added the right column to the wrong table. And no one noticed. It means MSSQL is not used and is not going to be used.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eKnowing how hard it will be to move Oracle and MSSQL to extensions will allow us to assess the implications of dropping support from core: does it just mean that someone has to write a few hundred lines of compat code in an extension, or is the task much more complex, meaning that we'd be dropping support for these databases entirely?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt will be a few hundred lines of code but there is no guarantee to work, it depends on how properly Doctrine DBAL support those. If it's good enough. It should not be an issue.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eIf we end up dropping Oracle and MSSQL entirely, we'd be using DBAL mostly to convert from MySQL to PostGres. Is that worth the effort?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI would say it's definitely worth the effort for three reasons:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eWe still need to have Sqlite as well, doing schema changes on Sqlite is pretty complex (you need to make a temporary table and put things there and then rename the table to the main one).\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eWe need to fix and remove this: \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/github.com\/wikimedia\/mediawiki\/blob\/c477bcf2c5c482d3189ec3579c5dee444eb06f7d\/includes\/libs\/rdbms\/database\/DatabaseSqlite.php#L898\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttps:\/\/github.com\/wikimedia\/mediawiki\/blob\/c477bcf2c5c482d3189ec3579c5dee444eb06f7d\/includes\/libs\/rdbms\/database\/DatabaseSqlite.php#L898\u003c\/a\u003e This is a technical debt that's going to bite us.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eHaving plain string as SQL is quite dangerous, it opens the possibility to several types of errors like I mentioned above, there are so many other things that are also more subtle (like forgetting \u003ctt class=\"remarkup-monospaced\"\u003e\/*$wgDBprefix*\/\u003c\/tt\u003e, \u003ctt class=\"remarkup-monospaced\"\u003e\/*_*\/\u003c\/tt\u003e \u003ctt class=\"remarkup-monospaced\"\u003e\/*i*\/\u003c\/tt\u003e or mixing them up) That all can be avoided by abstracting those away into the SchemaBuilder and SchemaDiffBuilder objects. Making mistakes in schemas can cause data corruption and should be handled with more care.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_997\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/kuhjfipnblrccpjnkeqa\/PHID-FILE-7nhshatqxoccc3cddxq2\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Fheredia\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5230413\" id=\"5230413\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_996\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Fheredia\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_283\"\u003eFheredia\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5230413\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_995\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJun 3 2019, 2:53 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-06-03 14:53:55 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_993\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_994\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_284\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5229058\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_109\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5229058\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_110\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Ladsgroup\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eTo recap. I suggest these two:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eDrop official support for Oracle and MSSQL\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ea) It looks like colliding with \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phabricator.wikimedia.org\/T113831\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-shade phui-tag-blue phui-tag-shade phui-tag-icon-view \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_112\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core \"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-anchor\" data-meta=\"0_111\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003ehttps:\/\/phabricator.wikimedia.org\/T113831\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e \u003cbr \/\u003e\nb) It looks not to be part of Proposal #1 neither #2, wich is what about discussion here.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI'm confused about. Cheers.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1010\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/m25d4sm73mzvfxk7efxx\/PHID-FILE-zigk2s47ziyr7hqvpw7v\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/17\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1006\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_1007\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/15\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1008\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-eye\" data-meta=\"0_1009\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5230565\" id=\"5230565\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1005\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_285\"\u003eLadsgroup\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5230565\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1004\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJun 3 2019, 3:20 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-06-03 15:20:36 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1002\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1003\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_286\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5230413\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_113\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5230413\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Fheredia\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_117\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Fheredia\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003ea) It looks like colliding with \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phabricator.wikimedia.org\/T113831\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-shade phui-tag-blue phui-tag-shade phui-tag-icon-view \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_116\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core \"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-anchor\" data-meta=\"0_115\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003ehttps:\/\/phabricator.wikimedia.org\/T113831\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThanks for pointing out to this ticket. It gave me lots of information.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eb) It looks not to be part of Proposal #1 neither #2, wich is what about discussion here.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI'm confused about. Cheers.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYes, Sorry for not being more verbose.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/www.mediawiki.org\/wiki\/User:Anomie\/Abstract_schema\/DB_Requirements\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttps:\/\/www.mediawiki.org\/wiki\/User:Anomie\/Abstract_schema\/DB_Requirements\u003c\/a\u003e is the requirement if we want to abstract either with proposal #1 or #2, or #3 (proposal three is adding support using Doctring DBAL, practically a hybrid of proposal #1 and #2). And as you can see, both Oracle and MSSQL have a very weird requirements that we need to do gymnastics to support and some are not even supported in Doctrine DBAL (most importantly \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/www.mediawiki.org\/wiki\/User:Anomie\/Abstract_schema\/DB_Requirements#Unique_indexes\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003eunique indexes\u003c\/a\u003e which is not supported for oracle but it's supported for \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/github.com\/doctrine\/dbal\/blob\/master\/lib\/Doctrine\/DBAL\/Platforms\/SQLServerPlatform.php#L410\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003eMSSQL\u003c\/a\u003e). So I asked for dropping support for both.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLooking back and reading \u003ca href=\"\/T113831\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_114\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT113831: Remove MSSQL support from MediaWiki core\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e and given that doctrine DBAL supports unique indexes requirment on MSSQL. I think it would be okay to just drop official support for oracle (it seems there's a universal support for dropping support for oracle) and leave MSSQL for now. I mean oracle won't be "officially" supported but the code can easily be moved to an extension and keep the support by people who want to maintain it. Another note: MSSQL has been broken for a while now (Look at my above comment)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eKeep in mind abstracting makes it easier to add support or keep current support in extensions or core. Adding support will be only one hundred lines of code for most DBMSes but for some (like oracle) you need to patch and add support to Doctrine DBAL first before moving forward (All of this paragraph assumes this RFC gets accepted with proposal #3)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHTH\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1021\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/v5wmnfiaelrd6nztxd3a\/PHID-FILE-s57znldbv3qchtewuryd\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/14\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1019\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-empire\" data-meta=\"0_1020\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5230588\" id=\"5230588\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1018\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_287\"\u003edaniel\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5230588\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1017\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJun 3 2019, 3:26 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-06-03 15:26:16 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1015\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1016\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_288\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5230413\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_118\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5230413\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Fheredia\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_121\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Fheredia\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003ea) It looks like colliding with \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phabricator.wikimedia.org\/T113831\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-shade phui-tag-blue phui-tag-shade phui-tag-icon-view \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_120\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core \"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-anchor\" data-meta=\"0_119\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003ehttps:\/\/phabricator.wikimedia.org\/T113831\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIIRC, one of the main reasons that was declined was that we didn't have a way to abstract schema migrations.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1030\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/taupgzy6crca3tqvilyt\/PHID-FILE-qpx6bguelua3oeqwb7km\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/HappyDog\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5236785\" id=\"5236785\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1029\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/HappyDog\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_289\"\u003eHappyDog\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5236785\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1028\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJun 5 2019, 1:45 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-06-05 13:45:36 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1026\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1027\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_290\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eAnother note: MSSQL has been broken for a while now (Look at my above comment)\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAs per the linked ticket, the primary maintainer of the MSSQL code appears to only target LTS releases, for a couple of reasons.  Therefore this is not necessarily indicative of the maintenance status (though it's clearly a problem).\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eUse Doctorine DBAL to handle SQL generation of schema and schem changes (practically turning .sql files to .json files)\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI raised some objections to using JSON as the format (see \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5063939\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_122\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5063939\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e) which have not yet been adequately addressed.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere was a suggestion of using table\/column comments, but I'm not sure this really resolves the issue.  I would hope and expect to see an average of about 5 lines worth of documentation comments per field, and probably an average of about 10 lines per table.  I'm aware that the documentation is not currently at this level, but I would hope that improving that is something we all aspire to.  Limiting it to the amount that can be represented in a simple string variable (which would obviously require proper escaping, too) is likely to make things worse, rather than better.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eA data format that allows proper comments, of any length, please!  YAML may be a good choice, or a custom JSON + comments format if YAML is too heavy.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1039\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/j4jpapwmtp2zkejsliev\/PHID-FILE-hywwt4umgt7mt43u77fn\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Skizzerz\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5236862\" id=\"5236862\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1038\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Skizzerz\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_291\"\u003eSkizzerz\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5236862\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1037\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJun 5 2019, 2:01 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-06-05 14:01:57 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1035\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1036\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_292\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eAbstract schemas is an argument for keeping MSSQL, Oracle, and other lightly-supported DBMSes in Core, not splitting them out. Once we have an abstract schema, the supporting code to make use of it need only be written once, and that same schema can then apply everywhere.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere will likely be some bugs, but it will greatly reduce the maintenance burden as well as the burden on those submitting changes (they need only provide the one abstract patch instead of 5 different sql files).\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIn any case, splitting DBMS out of core is an absolute non-starter until the installer can make use of them somehow without LocalSettings.php existing. Once that happens and is well-supported rather than an afterthought, I\u2019d be happy to re-evaluate moving less-supported DBMS into extensions or whatever system is devised for that.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1052\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/m25d4sm73mzvfxk7efxx\/PHID-FILE-zigk2s47ziyr7hqvpw7v\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/17\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1048\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_1049\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/15\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1050\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-eye\" data-meta=\"0_1051\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5245060\" id=\"5245060\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1047\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_293\"\u003eLadsgroup\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5245060\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1046\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJun 8 2019, 6:23 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-06-08 18:23:15 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1044\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1045\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_294\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5236862\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_123\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5236862\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Skizzerz\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_125\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Skizzerz\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eAbstract schemas is an argument for keeping MSSQL, Oracle, and other lightly-supported DBMSes in Core, not splitting them out.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou are completely right but that's true when there's an existing abstraction in place. With current system and specially in case of oracle, it's not possible to use Doctrine DBAL to build the abstraction  or requires a great amount of developer work to write a DBAL from scratch. (\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/www.mediawiki.org\/wiki\/User:Anomie\/Abstract_schema\/DB_Requirements\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003eSee this\u003c\/a\u003e)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5236785\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_124\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5236785\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/HappyDog\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_126\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@HappyDog\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eThere was a suggestion of using table\/column comments, but I'm not sure this really resolves the issue.  I would hope and expect to see an average of about 5 lines worth of documentation comments per field, and probably an average of about 10 lines per table.  I'm aware that the documentation is not currently at this level, but I would hope that improving that is something we all aspire to.  Limiting it to the amount that can be represented in a simple string variable (which would obviously require proper escaping, too) is likely to make things worse, rather than better.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI would argue5 lines worth of documentation comments per field, and probably an average of about 10 lines per table makes any sort of DDL to a documentation piece than a DDL, What is needed is updated documentation in mediawiki.org and clear links of those in the DDL.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1062\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/taupgzy6crca3tqvilyt\/PHID-FILE-qpx6bguelua3oeqwb7km\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/HappyDog\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5245169\" id=\"5245169\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1061\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/HappyDog\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_295\"\u003eHappyDog\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003eEdited\u003cspan class=\"visual-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e \u00b7 \u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5245169\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1060\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJun 8 2019, 9:31 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-06-08 21:31:17 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1058\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1059\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_296\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5245060\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_127\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5245060\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_128\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Ladsgroup\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI would argue5 lines worth of documentation comments per field, and probably an average of about 10 lines per table makes any sort of DDL to a documentation piece than a DDL, What is needed is updated documentation in mediawiki.org and clear links of those in the DDL.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat's an argument against code commenting in general.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI strongly disagree with the suggestion that we should limit the amount of comments a developer is allowed to provide, either explicitly or implicitly (by choice of format).  I can guarantee that any recommendation that developers should add their comments somewhere other than alongside the code they are writing will simply result in developers not writing comments at all.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTo give some context to my argument, here is a table definition from one of my own projects.  It is written in a custom abstract schema format, that works well for us (but is probably not sophisticated enough for MediaWiki's use, which is why I haven't suggested it for this thread), but regardless of the format, this is the level of commenting I would hope to see for any DB schema I'm expected to work with:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"text\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003e-- --------------------------------------------------------\n-- Table structure for tblSurveyLinks\n-- --------------------------------------------------------\n-- Each project can have any number of external surveys attached to it.\n-- Draft projects may have zero survey links defined, and there may even be a\n-- use-case for a live project with no survey links (though this is not currently\n-- possible via the interface).  Most projects will have one or more links.\n-- The LinkTypeID column indicates the function of the survey within the\n-- context of the project.\n-- If the same survey is used in multiple projects, it will appear multiple\n-- times in this list.\n-- --------------------------------------------------------\n\nTABLE tblSurveyLinks\n\n\tFIELD\tSurveyLinkID            AUTONUMBER\n\tFIELD\tProjectID               FOREIGNKEY --> tblProjects\n\n-- This is the Survey ID for the external survey, as provided by their API.\n-- The format of the ID should be considered a 'black box' as it is generated by\n-- the external system and the format may change at any time.\n\tFIELD\tExternalSurveyID        SHORTTEXT\n\n-- This will contain one of the SURVEY_TYPE_* constants, which define whether this\n-- is a baseline survey, the control arm or one of potentially multiple intervention\n-- arms.  See the definitions in Constants.php for more details.\n\tFIELD\tLinkTypeID              INTEGER\n\n-- The SortOrder field contains the order that the surveys are listed within the\n-- interface.  It is always populated, and numbering is sequential, starting from 1.\n-- This ensures the order doesn't change between page views.\n\tFIELD\tSortOrder               INTEGER\n\n-- The RandomisationOrder is only applicable in situations where randomisation is\n-- being used, and only for the surveys that are being randomised.\n-- It is populated automatically when the survey is published, to ensure that there\n-- is no connection between how these items are shown on the randomisation monitoring\n-- page (which just displays "Survey A" and "Survey B") and what the user sees in\n-- the editing interface.  This ensures the trial remains 'blind'.\n-- The field contains an integer, with numbering starting at 1 and proceeding\n-- sequentially, or it will be NULL if not relevant for this link.\n\tFIELD\tRandomisationOrder      INTEGER\n\n\tPRIMARYKEY\tSurveyLinkID\n\nEND TABLE\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1075\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/m25d4sm73mzvfxk7efxx\/PHID-FILE-zigk2s47ziyr7hqvpw7v\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/17\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1071\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_1072\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/15\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1073\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-eye\" data-meta=\"0_1074\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5245179\" id=\"5245179\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1070\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_297\"\u003eLadsgroup\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5245179\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1069\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJun 8 2019, 9:54 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-06-08 21:54:21 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1067\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1068\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_298\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5245169\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_129\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5245169\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/HappyDog\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_130\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@HappyDog\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eThat's an argument against code commenting in general.\u003cbr \/\u003e\nI strongly disagree with the suggestion that we should limit the amount of comments a developer is allowed to provide, either explicitly or implicitly (by choice of format).  I can guarantee that any recommendation that developers should add their comments somewhere other than alongside the code they are writing will simply result in developers not writing comments at all.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWell, Developers should avoid writing comments as much as possible too. I know it seems counter-intuitive but there's a whole chapter of "Clean Code" by Uncle Bob dedicated to this. There are lots of reasons for that:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eThe code should be self-explanatory through variables\/classes\/methods names  and structure (readability of the code is an important factor in maintainability of it) then comments become redundant and a cognitive load without giving out anything new.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eWhen you have code and comments, they might get out of sync, they become misleading, they decay and now you need to main two things instead of one. (If you're maintaining documentation, like what we do for schema structures at mediawiki.org, you have three things to maintain, the DDL, the comments, the mediawiki.org documentation).\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAs I said, for more information, please read  \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/www.goodreads.com\/book\/show\/3735293-clean-code?ac=1&from_search=true\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ethe book\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1084\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/taupgzy6crca3tqvilyt\/PHID-FILE-qpx6bguelua3oeqwb7km\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/HappyDog\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5245501\" id=\"5245501\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1083\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/HappyDog\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_299\"\u003eHappyDog\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5245501\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1082\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJun 9 2019, 10:45 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-06-09 10:45:18 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1080\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1081\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_300\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eThis is getting somewhat off-topic, but:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eThe code should be self-explanatory through variables\/classes\/methods names and structure (readability of the code is an important factor in maintainability of it) then comments become redundant and a cognitive load without giving out anything new.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThis is the common argument I hear against commenting code, but it is absolutely incorrect.  The code may tell you \u003cem\u003ewhat\u003c\/em\u003e it does, but it doesn't tell you \u003cem\u003ewhy\u003c\/em\u003e it does it, or what \u003cem\u003eassumptions\u003c\/em\u003e were made when writing it.  If this isn't captured in comments, then it only exists in the developers brain... and normally only for a limited period of time.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIf you rephrase it as \u003cem\u003eDeveloper's should avoid writing bad comments for the sake of it\u003c\/em\u003e, then I'm 100% in agreement, but it's not an argument against commenting in general.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eWhen you have code and comments, they might get out of sync, they become misleading,\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhen you rename variables, code might get out of sync., but you would never use that as an argument against refactoring.  I read this reason as \u003cem\u003eif developers don't do their job properly, we end up with bad code\u003c\/em\u003e.  That's correct, but not a helpful observation.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI will read the book, but from your examples I think I'm going to find more that I disagree with than I agree with.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1094\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/taupgzy6crca3tqvilyt\/PHID-FILE-qpx6bguelua3oeqwb7km\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/HappyDog\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5245558\" id=\"5245558\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1093\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/HappyDog\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_301\"\u003eHappyDog\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003eEdited\u003cspan class=\"visual-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e \u00b7 \u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5245558\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1092\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJun 9 2019, 11:25 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-06-09 11:25:18 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1090\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1091\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_302\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5245501\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_131\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5245501\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/HappyDog\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_132\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@HappyDog\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eThe code may tell you what it does, ...\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eActually, responding to my own point, even \u003cem\u003ethat\u003c\/em\u003e is not an argument against commenting the 'what'.  The code will tell you what it does, but it won't tell you what it is \u003cem\u003esupposed\u003c\/em\u003e to do and therefore there is nothing to cross-check the code against.  Is it working as intended, or not?  Good unit-test coverage can mitigate this, providing the tests are being run and that they were written by someone other than the original developer (who can very easily write tests that encapsulate the same logic\/assumption errors that are in the code), however there is still some benefit to having this cross-check in the codebase, where developers can see it.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFor example:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"php\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"k\"\u003efunction\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"no\"\u003egetDaysSinceCreation\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e()\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e{\u003c\/span\u003e\n    \u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$age\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e=\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$this\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e->\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"na\" data-symbol-name=\"getSourceObject\"\u003egetSourceObject\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e()->\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"na\" data-symbol-name=\"getAge\"\u003egetAge\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e();\u003c\/span\u003e\n    \u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$age\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e=\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$age\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e*\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"mi\"\u003e2\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e;\u003c\/span\u003e\n    \u003cspan class=\"k\"\u003ereturn\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$age\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e;\u003c\/span\u003e\n\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e}\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eContrast this with the following, which not only clearly shows where the error is, but also how to fix it:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"php\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"k\"\u003efunction\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"no\"\u003egetDaysSinceCreation\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e()\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e{\u003c\/span\u003e\n    \u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$age\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e=\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$this\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e->\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"na\" data-symbol-name=\"getSourceObject\"\u003egetSourceObject\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e()->\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"na\" data-symbol-name=\"getAge\"\u003egetAge\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e();\u003c\/span\u003e\n    \u003cspan class=\"c\"\u003e\/\/ Covert age in hours to age in days.\u003c\/span\u003e\n    \u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$age\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e=\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$age\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e*\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"mi\"\u003e2\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e;\u003c\/span\u003e\n    \u003cspan class=\"k\"\u003ereturn\u003c\/span\u003e \u003cspan class=\"nv\"\u003e$age\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e;\u003c\/span\u003e\n\u003cspan class=\"o\"\u003e}\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat example is basic and bit contrived, but it demonstrates the point.  You can't rely on the code being its own documentation.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1105\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/v5wmnfiaelrd6nztxd3a\/PHID-FILE-s57znldbv3qchtewuryd\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/14\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1103\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-empire\" data-meta=\"0_1104\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5252444\" id=\"5252444\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-columns phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1102\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/daniel\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_303\"\u003edaniel\u003c\/a\u003e moved this task from \u003ca href=\"\/project\/board\/52\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-status-closed\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_304\"\u003eUnder discussion\u003c\/a\u003e to \u003ca href=\"\/project\/board\/52\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-status-closed\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_305\"\u003eRequest IRC meeting\u003c\/a\u003e on the \u003ca href=\"\/tag\/techcom-rfc\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-status-closed\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_306\"\u003eTechCom-RFC\u003c\/a\u003e board.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5252444\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1101\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJun 12 2019, 8:20 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-06-12 08:20:48 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1099\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1100\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_307\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eper request by \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_133\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Ladsgroup\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1117\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/3ndsxtl44eofytwep42p\/PHID-FILE-4ybkrghfwjvx4ndzbgkv\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/kchapman\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-yellow \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/21\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1115\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-users\" data-meta=\"0_1116\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5291337\" id=\"5291337\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1114\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/kchapman\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_308\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e kchapman\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003eEdited\u003cspan class=\"visual-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e \u00b7 \u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5291337\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1113\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJun 28 2019, 4:51 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-06-28 04:51:22 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1111\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1112\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_309\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cdel\u003eTechCom is hosting a meeting on this next Wednesday July 3rd at July 3 2019 14:00 UTC\/15:00 CEST\/06:00 PDT) (note new time)\u003c\/del\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMeeting will be rescheduled\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1127\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/35wul4aw7m4ngbjlzjyq\/PHID-FILE-hvf5uq7y6rk2okyhaxd7\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/MarkAHershberger\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5294012\" id=\"5294012\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1126\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/MarkAHershberger\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_311\"\u003eMarkAHershberger\u003c\/a\u003e subscribed.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003eEdited\u003cspan class=\"visual-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e \u00b7 \u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5294012\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1125\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJun 29 2019, 8:55 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-06-29 20:55:57 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1123\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1124\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_310\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#4998317\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_134\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#4998317\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_136\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Ladsgroup\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eThis is one of things this RFC can look into and move away MSSQL and other propriety databases to extensions and leave it to people who wants to maintain it.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI've been working on making \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/github.com\/MWStake\/PerconaDB\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ePercona available as a DB driver\u003c\/a\u003e and doing it as an extension.\u003cbr \/\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-left\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/6ovchmxsclwoevh5z7ft\/PHID-FILE-kqfiz5hrfqsxdqzmwuub\/image.png\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-image\" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_135\"\u003e\u003cimg src=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/kvvrvp4dx52dqdxnucao\/PHID-FILE-rrvkcjex27btzduu2gw3\/preview-image.png\" width=\"220\" height=\"73.122605363985\" alt=\"image.png (347\u00d71 px, 45 KB)\" \/\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhile this is a MySQL-based DB, there are some important considerations that mean just using the MySQL driver isn't possible.  Some of the choices I've made are a bit hackish, but it shows that this can currently be done.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1140\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/m25d4sm73mzvfxk7efxx\/PHID-FILE-zigk2s47ziyr7hqvpw7v\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/17\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1136\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_1137\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/15\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1138\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-eye\" data-meta=\"0_1139\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5294488\" id=\"5294488\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1135\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_312\"\u003eLadsgroup\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5294488\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1134\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJun 30 2019, 12:55 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-06-30 12:55:54 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1132\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1133\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_313\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T191231#5291337\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_137\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT191231#5291337\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/kchapman\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_138\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-dot phui-tag-color-grey\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e@kchapman\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eTechCom is hosting a meeting on this next Wednesday July 3rd at July 3 2019 14:00 UTC\/15:00 CEST\/06:00 PDT) (note new time)\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e14:00 UTC should translate to 16:00 CEST AFAIK.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1151\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/3ndsxtl44eofytwep42p\/PHID-FILE-4ybkrghfwjvx4ndzbgkv\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/kchapman\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-yellow \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/21\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1149\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-users\" data-meta=\"0_1150\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5298673\" id=\"5298673\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1148\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/kchapman\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_314\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e kchapman\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5298673\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1147\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 1 2019, 11:31 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-07-01 23:31:42 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1145\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1146\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_315\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eThe TechCom IRC meeting this week has been cancelled.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThanks \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Ladsgroup\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_139\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Ladsgroup\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e we are rescheduling this for another week so that \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Anomie\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_140\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Anomie\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e is available.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1154\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/qgen4bkshu3ten2heyhy\/PHID-FILE-5u6wlntsolx6m64czr7j\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/WDoranWMF\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5310077\" id=\"5310077\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-link phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1153\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/WDoranWMF\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_316\"\u003eWDoranWMF\u003c\/a\u003e removed a project: \u003ca href=\"\/project\/view\/3674\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-status-closed\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_317\"\u003ePlatform Team Legacy (Epic)\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5310077\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1152\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 5 2019, 7:33 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-07-05 19:33:54 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1165\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/3ndsxtl44eofytwep42p\/PHID-FILE-4ybkrghfwjvx4ndzbgkv\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/kchapman\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-yellow \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/21\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1163\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-users\" data-meta=\"0_1164\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5311153\" id=\"5311153\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1162\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/kchapman\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_318\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e kchapman\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5311153\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1161\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 6 2019, 8:16 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2019-07-06 20:16:11 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1159\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1160\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_319\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eTechCom has rescheduled the IRC meeting in #wikimedia-office to July 17 2019 14:00 UTC\/16:00 CEST\/06:00 PDT\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1168\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/res\/phabricator\/e132bb6a\/rsrc\/image\/avatar.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Lahwaacz\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"5311167\" id=\"5311167\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-times phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1167\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Lahwaacz\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_320\"\u003eLahwaacz\u003c\/a\u003e unsubscribed.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#5311167\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1166\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 6 2019, 8:51 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" 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