for (;;);{"error":null,"payload":{"timeline":"\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell phui-timeline-yellow\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_173\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/hagejusadb45atmqzcwn\/PHID-FILE-7afdbjm6t3rpvsbw5uco\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Quiddity\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"1749049\" id=\"1749049\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-pencil phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_168\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Quiddity\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_0\"\u003eQuiddity\u003c\/a\u003e created this task.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#1749049\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_167\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 23 2015, 6:57 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2015-10-23 18:57:24 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill fill-has-color phui-timeline-icon-fill-yellow\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-arrow-up phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_169\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Quiddity\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_54\"\u003eQuiddity\u003c\/a\u003e raised the priority of this task from \u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-value\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e to \u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-value\"\u003eNeeds Triage\u003c\/span\u003e.\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-pencil phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_170\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Quiddity\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_55\"\u003eQuiddity\u003c\/a\u003e updated the task description. \u003ca href=\"\/transactions\/detail\/PHID-XACT-TASK-rqpl6lpqxjq46ic\/\" data-sigil=\"workflow\"\u003e(Show Details)\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-link phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_171\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Quiddity\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_56\"\u003eQuiddity\u003c\/a\u003e added projects: \u003ca href=\"\/tag\/design\/\" class=\"phui-handle\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_57\"\u003eDesign\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/tag\/structureddiscussions\/\" class=\"phui-handle\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_58\"\u003eStructuredDiscussions\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/tag\/visualeditor\/\" class=\"phui-handle\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_59\"\u003eVisualEditor\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/tag\/wikimedia-design\/\" class=\"phui-handle\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_60\"\u003eWikimedia-Design\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_172\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Quiddity\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_61\"\u003eQuiddity\u003c\/a\u003e added subscribers: \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Quiddity\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\"\u003eQuiddity\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/violetto\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e violetto\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Volker_E\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\"\u003eVolker_E\u003c\/a\u003e and \u003ca href=\"\/subscriptions\/transaction\/add\/PHID-XACT-TASK-6xvpfxqbf25p6or\/\" data-sigil=\"workflow\"\u003e5 others\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_177\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"display: none;\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"1749061\" id=\"1749061\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-link phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_175\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-handle\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_62\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-lock lightgreytext\" data-meta=\"0_63\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003eRestricted Application\u003c\/span\u003e added a project: \u003ca href=\"\/tag\/collaboration-team-triage\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-status-closed\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_64\"\u003eCollaboration-Team-Triage\u003c\/a\u003e. \u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra-information\"\u003e \u00b7  \u003ca href=\"\/herald\/transcript\/1021486\/\"\u003eView Herald Transcript\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#1749061\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_174\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 23 2015, 6:57 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2015-10-23 18:57:24 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_176\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-handle\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_65\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-lock lightgreytext\" data-meta=\"0_66\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003eRestricted Application\u003c\/span\u003e added a subscriber: \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Aklapper\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_67\"\u003eAklapper\u003c\/a\u003e. \u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra-information\"\u003e \u00b7  \u003ca href=\"\/herald\/transcript\/1021486\/\"\u003eView Herald Transcript\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_182\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/bxdymb7zqtipuiytbor5\/PHID-FILE-hh7qwoflwjmrunovgr5a\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Jdforrester-WMF\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"1749062\" id=\"1749062\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-pencil phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_179\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jdforrester-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_68\"\u003eJdforrester-WMF\u003c\/a\u003e renamed this task from \u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-value\"\u003eSwitch editor-mode button, is confusing, and hard to discover\u003c\/span\u003e to \u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-value\"\u003eCome up with a better re-usable UI concept for a button to switch editor-mode; the current one is confusing, and hard to discover\u003c\/span\u003e.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#1749062\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_178\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 23 2015, 6:58 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2015-10-23 18:58:31 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-link phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_180\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jdforrester-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_69\"\u003eJdforrester-WMF\u003c\/a\u003e edited projects, added \u003ca href=\"\/tag\/ui-standardization\/\" class=\"phui-handle\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_70\"\u003eUI-Standardization\u003c\/a\u003e; removed \u003ca href=\"\/tag\/wikimedia-design\/\" class=\"phui-handle\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_71\"\u003eWikimedia-Design\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-pencil phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_181\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jdforrester-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_72\"\u003eJdforrester-WMF\u003c\/a\u003e set Security to None.\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_191\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ob2vd3alaupiwbgnqlo5\/PHID-FILE-tkwoq3bmta6bdmiam5bl\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Whatamidoing-WMF\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"1749066\" id=\"1749066\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_190\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Whatamidoing-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_73\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e Whatamidoing-WMF\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#1749066\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_189\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 23 2015, 7:00 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2015-10-23 19:00:43 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_187\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_188\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_74\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI'm particularly concerned about the use of [[ ]] inside the wikitext editor.  That is going to look a lot like "add [[link formatting]]".\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_200\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/sz5c2ymwsti7lllv37fb\/PHID-FILE-nw6x4whb5r5kwvduhbar\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Pginer-WMF\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"1752597\" id=\"1752597\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_199\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Pginer-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_75\"\u003ePginer-WMF\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#1752597\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_198\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 26 2015, 10:44 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2015-10-26 10:44:57 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_196\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_197\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_76\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI think there are multiples issues to consider here (e.g, discovery of the possibility to switch, expectations for the switch, and awareness of the current mode). Each may have multiple possible solutions but we may need to do some research to understand how much of a problem each aspect is.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSome thoughts about the listed problems:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eUsing the same icon, (with a "pressed" and "unpressed" state) does not make it clear which editor-mode the user is currently in.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eEditing modes are often problematic. The editor can definitely benefit from a clear distinction of which mode you are in. Below I illustrate the idea of using a monospaced font when in wikitext mode and a clearer indication to make the source mode more obvious:\u003cbr \/\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-left\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/kykjgtwrpcwpfwd7g7oj\/PHID-FILE-s4dp2mthppbkdd4xbrhr\/Screen_Shot_2015-10-09_at_12.12.27.png\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-image\" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_2\"\u003e\u003cimg src=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/pxyoge4pjseygrmycjtt\/PHID-FILE-zfnqzskjvwlrku3nqdfi\/preview-Screen_Shot_2015-10-09_at_12.12.27.png\" width=\"220\" height=\"125.56480380499\" alt=\"Screen Shot 2015-10-09 at 12.12.27.png (480\u00d7841 px, 60 KB)\" \/\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI've created a separate ticket to avoid the idea to get lost again in the comments: \u003ca href=\"\/T116567\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_1\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT116567\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003ePlacing just the icon in the bottom-corner, makes the overlap with the ULS keyboard-icon, more of a problem.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat is a problem with ULS. Ideally in this context, the input menu should appear integrated in the toolbar, not overlapping it.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eThe icon itself is not representative of "visual editor", and hence is a bad icon to use for switching to the visual editor.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhy should it represent the tool instead of the intent? I'm not sure we need people to know the internal codenames or product names of the different tools. In my opinion concepts such a "rich text view" vs "code view" seem to better reflect the essence of what you are manipulating for a general audience.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eThe icon is hard to notice, because it's such a simple grey, and made of basic geometric shapes, and tucked into the opposite side from all other toolbar buttons.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBeing on the opposite side can be argued to help to differentiate it. I think that some distinction should be made between the actions that manipulate the content and those that affect the content display.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSimilar simple-shaped icons seem to work well in similar rich-text vs markup contexts, so it is not clear to me how the grey colour or the simple shapes are problematic in this context. Just as an example I mentioned the Github example in an earlier discussion:\u003cbr \/\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-left\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/7jz64343vishoy6goop4\/PHID-FILE-szdf22xb2pp4madn34zo\/github2.png\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-image\" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_3\"\u003e\u003cimg src=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/v7akbicpttf5eetkbahq\/PHID-FILE-xcav64pkqheswqf5bqoi\/preview-github2.png\" width=\"220\" height=\"112.90194126431\" alt=\"github2.png (1\u00d72 px, 229 KB)\" \/\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eThe icon is just an icon. It would be a lot clearer with a text-label, and is important enough to deserve it, just like "Cite" does in the current wikitext toolbar.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eEverything is important, but we need to emphasise more what is more important. In the particular case of Flow (other cases may be different), the information to convey comes first and the need for formatting (and advanced formatting) seem less common than the case of editing articles. To put it short, if switching to wikitext is needed less often than adding user mentions or links, but we emphasise it more, I think we are doing something wrong.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOne way to add clarity to the switch action without making it more prominent than the formatting options could be to provide it through a sub-menu  (where more detail can be provided):\u003cbr \/\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-left\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/noj5xmzufli777r54y56\/PHID-FILE-p5f3bs445htrxd42u55s\/ve-switch-as-settings.png\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-image\" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_4\"\u003e\u003cimg src=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/crohhuyeqfenfhs2dwlk\/PHID-FILE-apntbj65vxv5d2zqwrvy\/preview-ve-switch-as-settings.png\" width=\"220\" height=\"185.26315789474\" alt=\"ve-switch-as-settings.png (608\u00d7722 px, 94 KB)\" \/\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt would be good to compile some cases where users published wikitext messages while being on VE-mode by mistake (or because they were unable to find the way to switch), or any other manifestation of the problems the above issues generate. Since depending on the weight of discovery, clarity and awareness aspects some solutions will work better than others.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_209\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/4yym5nutormqbf7h43si\/PHID-FILE-slp3agklngwp5n7ymzls\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Trizek-WMF\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"1756670\" id=\"1756670\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_208\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Trizek-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_77\"\u003eTrizek-WMF\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#1756670\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_207\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 27 2015, 10:19 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2015-10-27 10:19:24 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_205\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_206\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_78\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T116417#1752597\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_5\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT116417#1752597\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Pginer-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_7\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Pginer-WMF\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eOne way to add clarity to the switch action without making it more prominent than the formatting options could be to provide it through a sub-menu  (where more detail can be provided):\u003cbr \/\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-left\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/noj5xmzufli777r54y56\/PHID-FILE-p5f3bs445htrxd42u55s\/ve-switch-as-settings.png\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-image\" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_6\"\u003e\u003cimg src=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/crohhuyeqfenfhs2dwlk\/PHID-FILE-apntbj65vxv5d2zqwrvy\/preview-ve-switch-as-settings.png\" width=\"220\" height=\"185.26315789474\" alt=\"ve-switch-as-settings.png (608\u00d7722 px, 94 KB)\" \/\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThis would be really clear.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eIt would be good to compile some cases where users published wikitext messages while being on VE-mode by mistake (or because they were unable to find the way to switch), or any other manifestation of the problems the above issues generate. Since depending on the weight of discovery, clarity and awareness aspects some solutions will work better than others.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikipedia.org\/w\/index.php?title=Sujet:Soeiehtm7f3mwjfm&topic_showPostId=soeiehvnh7j3tb36#flow-post-soeiehvnh7j3tb36\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003eUser types everything in wikitext\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikipedia.org\/w\/index.php?title=Sujet:Snqd8v597d9xpc0l&topic_postId=snqd8v5wl7sns4r9&topic_revId=snqd8v5wl7sns4r9&action=single-view\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003eCopy\/Paste of a template\u003c\/a\u003e on VE mode (subst does not works)\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI may have other examples, but I'll need time to gather them. Also, I've stopped counting when users ask me "how can I user wikitext"; but I have fewer requests like that since the switch button was changed (but I should gather data instead of feeling it).\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_212\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/sz5c2ymwsti7lllv37fb\/PHID-FILE-nw6x4whb5r5kwvduhbar\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Pginer-WMF\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"1761367\" id=\"1761367\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-link phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_211\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Pginer-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_79\"\u003ePginer-WMF\u003c\/a\u003e mentioned this in \u003ca href=\"\/T116900\" class=\"phui-handle handle-status-closed\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_80\"\u003eT116900: Better warn of detected wikitext on Flow VE mode\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#1761367\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_210\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 28 2015, 11:09 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2015-10-28 11:09:10 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_221\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/sz5c2ymwsti7lllv37fb\/PHID-FILE-nw6x4whb5r5kwvduhbar\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Pginer-WMF\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"1761384\" id=\"1761384\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_220\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Pginer-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_81\"\u003ePginer-WMF\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#1761384\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_219\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 28 2015, 11:12 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2015-10-28 11:12:11 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_217\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_218\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_82\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eI may have other examples, but I'll need time to gather them.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThanks for pasting the above examples. That is very helpful to understand a bit more the context in which the different issues happen.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFor the case of pasting templates, VE seems to support it now, turning templates into their visual representation. I tried to paste templates and it seems to work well: if the template exist it is rendered visually, if it does not it is represented as a visual placeholder. In any case you are not left with a rich text copy of the wikitext.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFor the case of typing wikitext, there is a warning which is shown currently but it is not adapted to the case of Flow. I added a ticket to capture and propose improving it: \u003ca href=\"\/T116900\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_8\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT116900\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_230\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/4yym5nutormqbf7h43si\/PHID-FILE-slp3agklngwp5n7ymzls\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Trizek-WMF\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"1768792\" id=\"1768792\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-link phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_229\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Trizek-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_83\"\u003eTrizek-WMF\u003c\/a\u003e mentioned this in \u003ca href=\"\/T117211\" class=\"phui-handle\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_84\"\u003eT117211: A substed templates is not parsed until you post the message\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#1768792\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_228\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 30 2015, 2:08 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2015-10-30 14:08:22 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_226\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_227\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_85\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T116417#1761384\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_9\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT116417#1761384\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Pginer-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_11\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Pginer-WMF\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eFor the case of pasting templates, VE seems to support it now, turning templates into their visual representation. I tried to paste templates and it seems to work well: if the template exist it is rendered visually, if it does not it is represented as a visual placeholder. In any case you are not left with a rich text copy of the wikitext.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI've tried it, and I've understood why I had still the feedback: pasting a template with the subst: element is not WYSIWYG. I've reported it: \u003ca href=\"\/T117211\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_10\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT117211: A substed templates is not parsed until you post the message\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_239\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/5rgojmch25zjn4qbyihr\/PHID-FILE-lammujrvef44b2xfeygm\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Volker_E\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"1770006\" id=\"1770006\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_238\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Volker_E\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_86\"\u003eVolker_E\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#1770006\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_237\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 30 2015, 6:44 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2015-10-30 18:44:28 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_235\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_236\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_87\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Pginer-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_12\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Pginer-WMF\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e I disagree with making a dropdown for only two options, even if it's triggered by \u003ctt class=\"remarkup-monospaced\"\u003e:hover\u003c\/tt\u003e.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_248\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/sz5c2ymwsti7lllv37fb\/PHID-FILE-nw6x4whb5r5kwvduhbar\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Pginer-WMF\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"1793877\" id=\"1793877\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_247\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Pginer-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_88\"\u003ePginer-WMF\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#1793877\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_246\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eNov 9 2015, 4:46 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2015-11-09 16:46:24 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_244\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_245\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_89\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T116417#1770006\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_13\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT116417#1770006\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Volker_E\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_15\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Volker_E\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Pginer-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_14\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Pginer-WMF\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e I disagree with making a dropdown for only two options, even if it's triggered by \u003ctt class=\"remarkup-monospaced\"\u003e:hover\u003c\/tt\u003e.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI agree that in terms of simplicity, the action of switching between editing modes can be supported with much less elements. This is the reason of the original proposal: a "code" mode that remains active until users switch back. However, if we aim for describing the situation more explicitly, I think that conveying that there are two possible views that users can configure is not an invalid approach to me. That is, a user for which the editor does not operate as expected seems likely to look into the cog icon and be able to change it. Which kind of issues do you expect users to find with this?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_251\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"display: none;\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"1793878\" id=\"1793878\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_250\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-handle\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_90\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-lock lightgreytext\" data-meta=\"0_91\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003eRestricted Application\u003c\/span\u003e added a subscriber: \u003ca href=\"\/p\/StudiesWorld\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_92\"\u003eStudiesWorld\u003c\/a\u003e. \u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra-information\"\u003e \u00b7  \u003ca href=\"\/herald\/transcript\/1046468\/\"\u003eView Herald Transcript\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#1793878\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_249\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eNov 9 2015, 4:46 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2015-11-09 16:46:24 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_259\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ypbx2ffijvkvkjolbzre\/PHID-FILE-4x3f352fn3es7zfibtsf\/alphanumeric_lato-dark_R.png-_65558f-255%2C255%2C255%2C0.4.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/RandomDSdevel\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"1794579\" id=\"1794579\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-trophy phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_253\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view sprite-tokens tokens-coin-3 phui-timeline-token\" data-meta=\"0_254\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/RandomDSdevel\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_93\"\u003eRandomDSdevel\u003c\/a\u003e awarded a token.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#1794579\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_252\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eNov 9 2015, 9:12 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2015-11-09 21:12:03 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-trophy phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_255\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view sprite-tokens tokens-coin-3 phui-timeline-token strikethrough\" data-meta=\"0_256\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/RandomDSdevel\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_94\"\u003eRandomDSdevel\u003c\/a\u003e rescinded a token.\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-trophy phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_257\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view sprite-tokens tokens-coin-2 phui-timeline-token\" data-meta=\"0_258\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/RandomDSdevel\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_95\"\u003eRandomDSdevel\u003c\/a\u003e awarded a token.\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell phui-timeline-green\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_263\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/bxdymb7zqtipuiytbor5\/PHID-FILE-hh7qwoflwjmrunovgr5a\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Jdforrester-WMF\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"1801178\" id=\"1801178\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill fill-has-color phui-timeline-icon-fill-green\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-arrow-right phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_261\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jdforrester-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_96\"\u003eJdforrester-WMF\u003c\/a\u003e triaged this task as \u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-value\"\u003eMedium\u003c\/span\u003e priority.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#1801178\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_260\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eNov 12 2015, 4:30 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2015-11-12 16:30:32 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-columns phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_262\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jdforrester-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_97\"\u003eJdforrester-WMF\u003c\/a\u003e moved this task from \u003ca href=\"\/project\/board\/483\/\" class=\"phui-handle\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_98\"\u003eTo Triage\u003c\/a\u003e to \u003ca href=\"\/project\/board\/483\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-status-closed\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_99\"\u003eFreezer\u003c\/a\u003e on the \u003ca href=\"\/tag\/visualeditor\/\" class=\"phui-handle\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_100\"\u003eVisualEditor\u003c\/a\u003e board.\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_272\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/res\/phabricator\/e132bb6a\/rsrc\/image\/avatar.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Alsee\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"1803556\" id=\"1803556\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_271\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Alsee\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_102\"\u003eAlsee\u003c\/a\u003e subscribed.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#1803556\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_270\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eNov 13 2015, 2:21 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2015-11-13 14:21:16 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_268\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_269\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_101\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eA submenu might be acceptable for the non-Flow editor, but Flow fails to provide any support for a genuine preview.* In Flow this button is the substitute. It is not unusual for me to toggle modes a dozen times or more when writing a larger post with links and formatting. I click that button far more than every other button in the interface combined, even when you count the Reply and Post buttons in that total. That button needs to be immediately and directly accessible. 1-click, no messing with hovers.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(*) footnote: Can we get true preview support for Flow? It would avoid niggling issues with the fake preview, and it would stop VE from mangling my work when I'm forced to round-trip it.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_281\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/sz5c2ymwsti7lllv37fb\/PHID-FILE-nw6x4whb5r5kwvduhbar\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Pginer-WMF\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"1813574\" id=\"1813574\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_280\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Pginer-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_103\"\u003ePginer-WMF\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#1813574\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_279\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eNov 18 2015, 2:06 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2015-11-18 14:06:54 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_277\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_278\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_104\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T116417#1803556\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_16\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT116417#1803556\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Alsee\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_17\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Alsee\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eA submenu might be acceptable for the non-Flow editor, but Flow fails to provide any support for a genuine preview.*\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThanks for the feedback. That's a good point. \u003cbr \/\u003e\nKeyboard shortcuts can alleviate the issue providing a quick way to switch between modes (the menu can include them to facilitate discovery), but this use of rich text as preview is worth keeping in mind when considering alternative solutions.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIn any case, I think it is key to better understand the details of the discovery issues for the current way to switch between rich text and wikitext. I'm thinking on the menu solution as an alternative worth testing with users as we research about the issues of the current one, not a proposed solution since there are several pros and cons to consider.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003e(*) footnote: Can we get true preview support for Flow? It would avoid niggling issues with the fake preview, and it would stop VE from mangling my work when I'm forced to round-trip it.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe purpose of unifying the rich text view with the preview is to avoid confusions due to having too many (similar) modes. I think that keeping the message editable makes sense in this context regardless of being presented as rich text or wikitext. Having said that I agree that this makes sense when the rich text representation is accurate and the roundtrip clean. So I'd encourage to identify and report the specific cases where that is not happening since that is aligned with \u003ca href=\"\/tag\/visualeditor\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-shade phui-tag-blue phui-tag-shade phui-tag-icon-view \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_19\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core \"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-umbrella\" data-meta=\"0_18\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003eVisualEditor\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e goals and I expect those issues to get fixed.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_284\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/4e6cj54i37wpuhodl37z\/PHID-FILE-sh43reqprk5j4avdwetw\/profile-profile-0965951.jpg)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Qgil\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"1989702\" id=\"1989702\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-link phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_283\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Qgil\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_105\"\u003eQgil\u003c\/a\u003e mentioned this in \u003cspan class=\"phui-handle\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_106\"\u003eUnknown Object (Task)\u003c\/span\u003e.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#1989702\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_282\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eFeb 2 2016, 1:53 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-02-02 13:53:28 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell phui-timeline-orange\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_288\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/bxdymb7zqtipuiytbor5\/PHID-FILE-hh7qwoflwjmrunovgr5a\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Jdforrester-WMF\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2200374\" id=\"2200374\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill fill-has-color phui-timeline-icon-fill-orange\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-compress phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_286\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jdforrester-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_107\"\u003eJdforrester-WMF\u003c\/a\u003e merged a task: \u003cspan class=\"\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/T131164\" class=\"phui-handle handle-status-closed\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_108\"\u003eT131164: Pencil icon in source editor is ambiguous\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2200374\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_285\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eApr 12 2016, 7:21 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-04-12 19:21:45 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_287\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jdforrester-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_109\"\u003eJdforrester-WMF\u003c\/a\u003e added a subscriber: \u003ca href=\"\/p\/awight\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_110\"\u003eawight\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_291\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/de7rnuucgwsa2u5ow7bn\/PHID-FILE-towcvgcmdefffz27aphc\/profile-gravatar.jpg)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Catrope\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2267505\" id=\"2267505\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-link phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_290\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Catrope\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_111\"\u003eCatrope\u003c\/a\u003e added a subtask: \u003ca href=\"\/T134477\" class=\"phui-handle handle-status-closed\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_112\"\u003eT134477: Pencil icon missing in Flow comment textarea\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2267505\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_289\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMay 5 2016, 4:13 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-05-05 16:13:03 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_300\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/g7byf7rei5rrlry7lxc6\/PHID-FILE-lxsdx6k2te2vzmcuaumu\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Thomas_Shafee\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2280567\" id=\"2280567\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_299\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Thomas_Shafee\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_114\"\u003eThomas_Shafee\u003c\/a\u003e subscribed.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2280567\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_298\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMay 10 2016, 1:11 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-05-10 13:11:11 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_296\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_297\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_113\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eCopied from a short conversation at \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/www.mediawiki.org\/w\/index.php?title=Topic:T2w2x2qvx77n0rz3&topic_showPostId=t3oz45cbys5s8xq0&fromnotif=1#flow-post-t3oz45cbys5s8xq0\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003elink\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe source editing interface currently has a lot of words for its menus and options. (e.g. "Advanced", "Special characters", "Help", "Cite"). Because of this, I feel that the \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/www.mediawiki.org\/wiki\/File:Edit_icon.svg\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003eEdit_icon.svg\u003c\/a\u003e icon gets more lost than on the other interfaces.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSomething like "Switch to Visual Editor \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/www.mediawiki.org\/wiki\/File:Edit_icon.svg\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003eEdit_icon.svg\u003c\/a\u003e" could actually be more consistent with the visual style of the current for markup editing. Otherwise it is easy to miss in that particular style of interface. That way it still uses the same icon for consistency with the mobile interface. It still places it in the same location for consistency with all interfaces. But it would also be more explicit and clearly visible for consistency with the rest of the source editing interface.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAlternative, a two-state toggle switch option \u003ca href=\"http:\/\/ui-cloud.com\/simple-toggle-switch\/\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003elike this\u003c\/a\u003e makes clear the two possible options.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNo idea if that's helpful to the conversation, but I thought I'd add it for completeness.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_303\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/t4hrzciitsz4j6fw2ady\/PHID-FILE-zat7gqhg4p4dd3appivw\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/AlexMonk-WMF\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2281903\" id=\"2281903\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_302\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/AlexMonk-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_115\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e AlexMonk-WMF\u003c\/a\u003e subscribed.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2281903\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_301\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMay 10 2016, 5:57 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-05-10 17:57:36 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_312\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/hagejusadb45atmqzcwn\/PHID-FILE-7afdbjm6t3rpvsbw5uco\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Quiddity\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2282253\" id=\"2282253\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_311\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Quiddity\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_116\"\u003eQuiddity\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2282253\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_310\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eMay 10 2016, 6:54 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-05-10 18:54:12 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_308\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_309\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_117\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eHere's an idea (rough sketch), for a single button that clearly signals what it does (switching modes), using only icons.\u003cbr \/\u003e\nIt would need a variant with a reversed order, for switching from wikitext to visual editing. (Plus 2 variants for RTL).\u003cbr \/\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-left\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/yzupyatanzaorxcppsw3\/PHID-FILE-xop2v5hga24hfjlffy3a\/switch-idea.png\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-image\" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_20\"\u003e\u003cimg src=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/sithwisbaphhslr6e2pa\/PHID-FILE-fr5dxlw7ieakb3qosbua\/preview-switch-idea.png\" width=\"220\" height=\"72.368421052632\" alt=\"switch-idea.png (25\u00d776 px, 1 KB)\" \/\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cbr \/\u003e\nIt's a bit bigger than the twin-buttons concept (as used at Github) that Pau mentioned earlier: \u003cbr \/\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-left\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/7jz64343vishoy6goop4\/PHID-FILE-szdf22xb2pp4madn34zo\/github2.png\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-image\" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_21\"\u003e\u003cimg src=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/v7akbicpttf5eetkbahq\/PHID-FILE-xcav64pkqheswqf5bqoi\/preview-github2.png\" width=\"220\" height=\"112.90194126431\" alt=\"github2.png (1\u00d72 px, 229 KB)\" \/\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cbr \/\u003e\nHowever, I do also really like the twin-buttons concept, which would avoid the need for 4 variations.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_316\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/bxdymb7zqtipuiytbor5\/PHID-FILE-hh7qwoflwjmrunovgr5a\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Jdforrester-WMF\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2566128\" id=\"2566128\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-link phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_314\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jdforrester-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_118\"\u003eJdforrester-WMF\u003c\/a\u003e mentioned this in \u003ca href=\"\/T104479\" class=\"phui-handle\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_119\"\u003eT104479: Provide a modern wikitext editor \u003c\/a\u003e.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2566128\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_313\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eAug 18 2016, 9:55 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-08-18 21:55:23 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-link phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_315\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jdforrester-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_120\"\u003eJdforrester-WMF\u003c\/a\u003e added a parent task: \u003ca href=\"\/T104479\" class=\"phui-handle\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_121\"\u003eT104479: Provide a modern wikitext editor \u003c\/a\u003e.\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_320\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/r7nvrzujv4maclta2fe3\/PHID-FILE-boqcwnunlgwjmisceqbw\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/nshahquinn-wmf\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2566134\" id=\"2566134\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_318\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/nshahquinn-wmf\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_122\"\u003enshahquinn-wmf\u003c\/a\u003e added a subscriber: \u003ca href=\"\/p\/dchen\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_123\"\u003edchen\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2566134\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_317\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eAug 18 2016, 9:59 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-08-18 21:59:34 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_319\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/nshahquinn-wmf\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_124\"\u003enshahquinn-wmf\u003c\/a\u003e subscribed.\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_333\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/bxdymb7zqtipuiytbor5\/PHID-FILE-hh7qwoflwjmrunovgr5a\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Jdforrester-WMF\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-blue \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/18\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_329\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-star\" data-meta=\"0_330\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/12\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_331\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-space-shuttle\" data-meta=\"0_332\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2566200\" id=\"2566200\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_328\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jdforrester-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_125\"\u003eJdforrester-WMF\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2566200\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_327\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eAug 18 2016, 10:19 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-08-18 22:19:52 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_325\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_326\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_126\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI also strongly like the idea of having both icons always visible, with a change to their treatment showing which state you're in. This heightens visibility, feedback, mapping and consistency compared to having a single button that changes icon \/ label \/ colour \/ \u003cem\u003eetc.\u003c\/em\u003e, in my opinion. Tooltips and a first-run pop-up could explain what this is for users, as well as a "you just switched!" notice (as now in VE).\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eA couple of quick mock-ups of what we could do in VE\/NWE, as part of the new wikitext editor work. Note that \u003cstrong\u003eI am not a designer\u003c\/strong\u003e as is painfully clear:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWith a ButtonSelectWidget (MW theme, Apex theme):\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-table-wrap\"\u003e\u003ctable class=\"remarkup-table\"\u003e\n\u003ctr\u003e\u003ctd\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-left\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/5r4ivfo6sn6fcazmo34h\/PHID-FILE-gf67e6jrah5wlaekg4oy\/Screen_Shot_2016-08-18_at_14.46.40.png\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-image\" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_22\"\u003e\u003cimg src=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/uo7f3sbcnwatcmprv6t4\/PHID-FILE-cyn6gadcw7y44ceecnf4\/preview-Screen_Shot_2016-08-18_at_14.46.40.png\" width=\"220\" height=\"107.2268907563\" alt=\"Screen Shot 2016-08-18 at 14.46.40.png (174\u00d7357 px, 13 KB)\" \/\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/td\u003e\u003ctd\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-left\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/2ya3gon772dv3fx4hpjw\/PHID-FILE-lb2j46fugviglwjarbg7\/Screen_Shot_2016-08-18_at_15.09.57.png\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-image\" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_23\"\u003e\u003cimg src=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/r6uw7r666htybch4dv5c\/PHID-FILE-ywlabcidsguiir76zhyy\/preview-Screen_Shot_2016-08-18_at_15.09.57.png\" width=\"220\" height=\"106.38497652582\" alt=\"Screen Shot 2016-08-18 at 15.09.57.png (103\u00d7213 px, 11 KB)\" \/\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/td\u003e\u003c\/tr\u003e\n\u003ctr\u003e\u003c\/tr\u003e\n\u003c\/table\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ePros:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eSimple\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eClean\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eTakes up only a little space\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eCons:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eBecause on MW's flat design and there's only two states, it's not immediately obvious which state is the selected one. (It looks fine in Apex, but we care about more than just those users.)\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eThis is a little ugly, mostly because MW's BSW highlight state is; if we fixed that this might be workable.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eThe selected state icon is inverted compared to the unselected state, so the icons would not be quite as memory-prompting in the split states.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eThe edit icon isn't yet, well, iconic. \u003ctt class=\"remarkup-monospaced\"\u003e:-)\u003c\/tt\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWith a ToggleWidget and a couple of inline IconWidgets:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-table-wrap\"\u003e\u003ctable class=\"remarkup-table\"\u003e\n\u003ctr\u003e\u003ctd\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-left\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/kxh6oijda6qdoe2zmp5b\/PHID-FILE-z7u72mf5elj5jbrbub5o\/Screen_Shot_2016-08-18_at_14.50.33.png\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-image\" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_24\"\u003e\u003cimg src=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/exon7j3efrtfa4sycyrk\/PHID-FILE-d5fwygb6goynzbj5tnpk\/preview-Screen_Shot_2016-08-18_at_14.50.33.png\" width=\"220\" height=\"85.555555555556\" alt=\"Screen Shot 2016-08-18 at 14.50.33.png (70\u00d7180 px, 5 KB)\" \/\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/td\u003e\u003ctd\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-left\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/qip5hmzpaiyjmbetswe7\/PHID-FILE-dipfebxstttlvitbfkhd\/Screen_Shot_2016-08-18_at_15.13.27.png\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-image\" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_25\"\u003e\u003cimg src=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/jhinblsam3leb5nprtrq\/PHID-FILE-jtkhghb5n7ljzgptaqfg\/preview-Screen_Shot_2016-08-18_at_15.13.27.png\" width=\"220\" height=\"77.706422018349\" alt=\"Screen Shot 2016-08-18 at 15.13.27.png (77\u00d7218 px, 7 KB)\" \/\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/td\u003e\u003c\/tr\u003e\n\u003ctr\u003e\u003c\/tr\u003e\n\u003c\/table\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003epros:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eObvious which is selected, assuming you know it's a slider control\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eCons:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eSlider is not clear it's a slider in MW (asked three people in the office randomly, none of them knew what it was 'til I said the word or interacted with it). We could do some fuzzy\/fussy animation\/effect on it initially so it's moving into position as you see it, but \u2026 eh.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eThis feels a bit lost, with the icons floating too freely off into space. We could put a box around it? We'd probably need to make it a proper dedicated widget.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e[Note: in doing these screenshots it's immediately apparently that the edit and wikitext icons in OOUI aren't vertically aligned; I'll fix that. Sorry it's distracting.]\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_342\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/5rgojmch25zjn4qbyihr\/PHID-FILE-lammujrvef44b2xfeygm\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Volker_E\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2572593\" id=\"2572593\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_341\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Volker_E\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_127\"\u003eVolker_E\u003c\/a\u003e added a subscriber: \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Nirzar\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_128\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e Nirzar\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2572593\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_340\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eAug 22 2016, 6:06 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-08-22 18:06:23 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_338\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_339\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_129\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jdforrester-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_28\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Jdforrester-WMF\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e The ToggleSwitchWidget is a binary\/on-off user interface component, not a selection between two functionalities. \u003cbr \/\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Nirzar\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_29\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-dot phui-tag-color-grey\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e@Nirzar\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e brought up another slightly different approach in \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phabricator.wikimedia.org\/T104479#2566328\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-shade phui-tag-blue phui-tag-shade phui-tag-icon-view \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_27\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core \"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-anchor\" data-meta=\"0_26\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003ehttps:\/\/phabricator.wikimedia.org\/T104479#2566328\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e where there is just a VE on\/off ToggleSwitch. The problem IMHO is that first off, users can't know what to expect by switching the toggle off \u2013 which is a bad user experience pattern. Second the position of the icon and the toggle's on\/off state is counter-intuitive.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe ButtonSelectWidget as \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Pginer-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_30\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Pginer-WMF\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e pointed out is conceptual the way to go.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_351\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/hagejusadb45atmqzcwn\/PHID-FILE-7afdbjm6t3rpvsbw5uco\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Quiddity\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2580702\" id=\"2580702\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_350\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Quiddity\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_130\"\u003eQuiddity\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2580702\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_349\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eAug 24 2016, 10:01 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-08-24 22:01:09 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_347\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_348\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_131\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eBig +1 for ButtonSelectWidget, and potentially improving the default highlight.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_360\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/5rgojmch25zjn4qbyihr\/PHID-FILE-lammujrvef44b2xfeygm\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Volker_E\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2580788\" id=\"2580788\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_359\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Volker_E\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_132\"\u003eVolker_E\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2580788\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_358\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eAug 24 2016, 10:25 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-08-24 22:25:00 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_356\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_357\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_133\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Quiddity\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_32\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Quiddity\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e Yes! That's \u003ca href=\"\/T136590\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_31\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT136590\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e \u2013 we're on it.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_370\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/32scqbkzfznmyjrlqqum\/PHID-FILE-v53oqx4csjlobqqgnqxf\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Nirzar\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2582652\" id=\"2582652\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_369\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Nirzar\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_134\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e Nirzar\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003eEdited\u003cspan class=\"visual-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e \u00b7 \u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2582652\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_368\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eAug 25 2016, 3:10 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-08-25 15:10:27 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_366\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_367\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_135\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Quiddity\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_36\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Quiddity\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e Yes! That's \u003ca href=\"\/T136590\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_33\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT136590\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e \u2013 we're on it.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ewould look something like this? \u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-left\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ailvk3jmmh7t5te5lq2f\/PHID-FILE-ezga4jxgrb5ut2jnsc23\/pasted_file\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-image\" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_34\"\u003e\u003cimg src=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/3pn6stqe2n3vel6gqez4\/PHID-FILE-6ivvezgivtnz4zwdwopp\/preview-pasted_file\" width=\"220\" height=\"146.66666666667\" alt=\"pasted_file (92\u00d7138 px, 1 KB)\" \/\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ebut i have one more question. Visual Editor Vs wikitext editor, we use wt brackets as icon for code editing but we use pencil for VE. the common word between both is "editor" and we use icon for that, as one option. pencil means edit in both ways.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eso does it mean one is edit and other is _not_ edit?\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ei think we should focus on visual and non visual difference of editors. and use icons accordingly.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-left\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/nym3pjh767ddasjrkzh6\/PHID-FILE-62lvv6awqvk2pnoy7k3t\/pasted_file\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-image\" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_35\"\u003e\u003cimg src=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/k7urmebfn6aimubsyzyd\/PHID-FILE-oji5xhvipjsneltuyhvz\/preview-pasted_file\" width=\"220\" height=\"76.228070175439\" alt=\"pasted_file (158\u00d7456 px, 4 KB)\" \/\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_379\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/sz5c2ymwsti7lllv37fb\/PHID-FILE-nw6x4whb5r5kwvduhbar\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Pginer-WMF\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2582714\" id=\"2582714\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_378\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Pginer-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_136\"\u003ePginer-WMF\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2582714\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_377\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eAug 25 2016, 3:26 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-08-25 15:26:23 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_375\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_376\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_137\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003ei think we should focus on visual and non visual difference of editors. and use icons accordingly.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat makes sense. In \u003ca href=\"\/F2784772\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_37\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eF2784772\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, I was also trying to go away from the pencil to represent the rich text editing.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think the eye could work well when the user is in the wikitext mode, since it conveys the idea of previewing (realistically) the content which visual editor does. When the user is in the Visual editing mode, I'm not so sure it will be easily interpreted as the current mode (especially for those not aware of what wikitext is, for the contrast to help). In any case, this is something we can test.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_388\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/jiescibb2tfpadg6tyrc\/PHID-FILE-bw6rufgv4lqimr5crhxq\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Elitre\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2582715\" id=\"2582715\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_387\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Elitre\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_138\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e Elitre\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2582715\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_386\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eAug 25 2016, 3:26 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-08-25 15:26:54 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_384\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_385\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_139\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eThe eye doesn't really work for me, Nirzar. Especially in the last picture, I'm like, will I be able to ... see... code if I click on that?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_397\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/32scqbkzfznmyjrlqqum\/PHID-FILE-v53oqx4csjlobqqgnqxf\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Nirzar\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2583026\" id=\"2583026\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_396\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Nirzar\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_140\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e Nirzar\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2583026\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_395\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eAug 25 2016, 5:15 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-08-25 17:15:07 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_393\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_394\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_141\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eThe eye doesn't really work for me, Nirzar. Especially in the last picture, I'm like, will I be able to ... see... code if I click on that?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ehmm... i guess a lot of editors (software not people) use eye as a preview function. take this phab comment box for example \u003cbr \/\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-left\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/bwjvbqwsy3a5lgr4pj7o\/PHID-FILE-vypmwpvyrh3eljsbc3ut\/pasted_file\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-image\" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_38\"\u003e\u003cimg src=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ckkpstntdo25gjitzk5a\/PHID-FILE-xwalzx3cvrvzlmgwhaor\/preview-pasted_file\" width=\"220\" height=\"58.198874296435\" alt=\"pasted_file (141\u00d7533 px, 25 KB)\" \/\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003etop right.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ei think it's important what word we use to represent the icon. visual or editor. in wiktext, we do use the wikitext part.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eif not eye, is it okay to think of this as using something that represents "visual" factor?\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eor another way to look at it would be\u003cbr \/\u003e\nPencil is a physical object and thus visual. and brackets are a soft (not real) concept. but i think it's a stretch.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_406\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/qoo5jskgqgseq663cfpz\/PHID-FILE-cotd7ku2sm2c4m2zptx7\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Esanders\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2584535\" id=\"2584535\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_405\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Esanders\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_143\"\u003eEsanders\u003c\/a\u003e subscribed.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2584535\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_404\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eAug 25 2016, 11:14 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-08-25 23:14:39 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_402\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_403\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_142\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T116417#2582652\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_39\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT116417#2582652\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Nirzar\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_43\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-dot phui-tag-color-grey\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e@Nirzar\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003ewould look something like this? \u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-left\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ailvk3jmmh7t5te5lq2f\/PHID-FILE-ezga4jxgrb5ut2jnsc23\/pasted_file\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-image\" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_40\"\u003e\u003cimg src=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/3pn6stqe2n3vel6gqez4\/PHID-FILE-6ivvezgivtnz4zwdwopp\/preview-pasted_file\" width=\"220\" height=\"146.66666666667\" alt=\"pasted_file (92\u00d7138 px, 1 KB)\" \/\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eA button group widget would need to become a toolbar group in the VE menu, so it would look like this:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-table-wrap\"\u003e\u003ctable class=\"remarkup-table\"\u003e\n\u003ctr\u003e\u003ctd\u003eapex\u003c\/td\u003e\u003ctd\u003emediawiki\u003c\/td\u003e\u003c\/tr\u003e\n\u003ctr\u003e\u003ctd\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-left\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/iqckriayxmdezr3wwwyk\/PHID-FILE-3xxdcu3yztefbotmey3o\/pasted_file\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-image-full\" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_41\"\u003e\u003cimg src=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/iqckriayxmdezr3wwwyk\/PHID-FILE-3xxdcu3yztefbotmey3o\/pasted_file\" height=\"50\" width=\"84\" alt=\"pasted_file (50\u00d784 px, 2 KB)\" \/\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/td\u003e\u003ctd\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-left\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/jl3g7v5uzykc2pjceziq\/PHID-FILE-k54sxmsyraitg2e22la5\/pasted_file\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-image-full\" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_42\"\u003e\u003cimg src=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/jl3g7v5uzykc2pjceziq\/PHID-FILE-k54sxmsyraitg2e22la5\/pasted_file\" height=\"51\" width=\"90\" alt=\"pasted_file (51\u00d790 px, 989 B)\" \/\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/td\u003e\u003c\/tr\u003e\n\u003ctr\u003e\u003c\/tr\u003e\n\u003c\/table\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhile this works well in Apex, in MW theme the grouping of the tools is almost non existent (there is a missing slightly darker 1px divider).\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_415\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/qoo5jskgqgseq663cfpz\/PHID-FILE-cotd7ku2sm2c4m2zptx7\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Esanders\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2584559\" id=\"2584559\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_414\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Esanders\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_144\"\u003eEsanders\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2584559\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_413\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eAug 25 2016, 11:22 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-08-25 23:22:41 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_411\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_412\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_145\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T116417#2572593\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_44\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT116417#2572593\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Volker_E\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_46\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Volker_E\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jdforrester-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_45\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Jdforrester-WMF\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e The ToggleSwitchWidget is a binary\/on-off user interface component, not a selection between two functionalities.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIn our code we treat them as such (and so functional duplicates of checkboxes), but it is not uncommon to relabel the states (e.g. Celsius <> Fahrenheit)\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_424\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/32scqbkzfznmyjrlqqum\/PHID-FILE-v53oqx4csjlobqqgnqxf\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Nirzar\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2584582\" id=\"2584582\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_423\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Nirzar\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_146\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e Nirzar\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2584582\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_422\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eAug 25 2016, 11:31 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-08-25 23:31:37 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_420\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_421\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_147\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI think we did the blue selection for toolbar items recently? will it look like this>\u003cbr \/\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-left\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/i445jaj6a5uppq66vsom\/PHID-FILE-3dgftz3525mguuml4a2z\/ve-switch.png\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-image\" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_47\"\u003e\u003cimg src=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/rcs2dig4huzs5lvc33sd\/PHID-FILE-clg66aifwzhy2yd4gr27\/preview-ve-switch.png\" width=\"220\" height=\"65.108108108108\" alt=\"ve-switch.png (438\u00d71 px, 14 KB)\" \/\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ethen it becomes very similar to this>\u003cbr \/\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"http:\/\/nirzar.github.io\/prototypes\/ve\/switch\/wikitext\/wikitext.html\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttp:\/\/nirzar.github.io\/prototypes\/ve\/switch\/wikitext\/wikitext.html\u003c\/a\u003e try switching here.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHere are semantic options\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003col class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003evisual and code > choose one\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003ecode > activate\/deactivate\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003evisual > activate\/deactivate\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003echoose mode (dropdown) > visual or code\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ol\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eif we choose a model from these 3, we can use the correct ui component\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_433\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/jiescibb2tfpadg6tyrc\/PHID-FILE-bw6rufgv4lqimr5crhxq\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Elitre\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2597729\" id=\"2597729\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_432\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Elitre\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_148\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e Elitre\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2597729\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_431\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eAug 31 2016, 9:51 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-08-31 09:51:23 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_429\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_430\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_149\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T116417#2583026\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_48\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT116417#2583026\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Nirzar\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_50\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-dot phui-tag-color-grey\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e@Nirzar\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eThe eye doesn't really work for me, Nirzar. Especially in the last picture, I'm like, will I be able to ... see... code if I click on that?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ehmm... i guess a lot of editors (software not people) use eye as a preview function. take this phab comment box for example \u003cbr \/\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-left\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/bwjvbqwsy3a5lgr4pj7o\/PHID-FILE-vypmwpvyrh3eljsbc3ut\/pasted_file\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-image\" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_49\"\u003e\u003cimg src=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ckkpstntdo25gjitzk5a\/PHID-FILE-xwalzx3cvrvzlmgwhaor\/preview-pasted_file\" width=\"220\" height=\"58.198874296435\" alt=\"pasted_file (141\u00d7533 px, 25 KB)\" \/\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003etop right.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ei think it's important what word we use to represent the icon. visual or editor. in wiktext, we do use the wikitext part.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFor a good part of the contributors, VE is (or in time will become) just \u003cem\u003ethe\u003c\/em\u003e editor.  (While not being a design expert, I just want to point how we also keep saying that it's \u003cem\u003enot\u003c\/em\u003e a WYSIWYG editor,  and that as you say the eye may also mean something entirely different, like "preview" here on Phab.) I don't recall the user studies by heart, but I believe the pencil was not the confusing element there (it means Edit in so many contexts beyond the wikis). I think the brackets were (which is understandable if you don't know how pages were edited here until 2013 and that they are used to make links), and the fact that the button would allow to change mode, which is why the slider was suggested.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eif not eye, is it okay to think of this as using something that represents "visual" factor?\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eor another way to look at it would be\u003cbr \/\u003e\nPencil is a physical object and thus visual. and brackets are a soft (not real) concept. but i think it's a stretch.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_436\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/xst52luyi5gt352gtdqa\/PHID-FILE-2wkpgc4rmbd4fkz7dgwf\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Niharika\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2733667\" id=\"2733667\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_435\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Niharika\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_150\"\u003eNiharika\u003c\/a\u003e subscribed.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2733667\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_434\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 21 2016, 2:56 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-10-21 02:56:54 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_439\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ir2asem5crg64idqn2us\/PHID-FILE-mtrciuqxsij5vp7b4z5a\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Dvorapa\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2733737\" id=\"2733737\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_438\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Dvorapa\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_151\"\u003eDvorapa\u003c\/a\u003e subscribed.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2733737\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_437\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 21 2016, 6:04 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-10-21 06:04:52 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_442\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/h3a5ydtwfcupm3ij4dgx\/PHID-FILE-jwp53xarbmdhmkonvv32\/profile-a4.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Schnark\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2919003\" id=\"2919003\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_441\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Schnark\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_152\"\u003eSchnark\u003c\/a\u003e subscribed.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2919003\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_440\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 5 2017, 10:14 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2017-01-05 10:14:04 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_445\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/sz5c2ymwsti7lllv37fb\/PHID-FILE-nw6x4whb5r5kwvduhbar\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Pginer-WMF\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2947858\" id=\"2947858\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-link phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_444\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Pginer-WMF\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_153\"\u003ePginer-WMF\u003c\/a\u003e mentioned this in \u003ca href=\"\/T155572\" class=\"phui-handle handle-status-closed\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_154\"\u003eT155572: Adjust Flow visual-edit mode interface\/icons to be more consistent with visual editor\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2947858\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_443\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 18 2017, 12:29 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2017-01-18 00:29:52 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell phui-timeline-orange\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_449\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/qoo5jskgqgseq663cfpz\/PHID-FILE-cotd7ku2sm2c4m2zptx7\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Esanders\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2948840\" id=\"2948840\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill fill-has-color phui-timeline-icon-fill-orange\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-compress phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_447\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Esanders\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_155\"\u003eEsanders\u003c\/a\u003e merged a task: \u003cspan class=\"\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/T155572\" class=\"phui-handle handle-status-closed\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_156\"\u003eT155572: Adjust Flow visual-edit mode interface\/icons to be more consistent with visual editor\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2948840\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_446\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 18 2017, 10:36 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2017-01-18 10:36:15 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_448\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Esanders\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_157\"\u003eEsanders\u003c\/a\u003e added subscribers: \u003ca href=\"\/p\/jmatazzoni\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_158\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e jmatazzoni\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Etonkovidova\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_159\"\u003eEtonkovidova\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Catrope\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_160\"\u003eCatrope\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_458\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/qoo5jskgqgseq663cfpz\/PHID-FILE-cotd7ku2sm2c4m2zptx7\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Esanders\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2948944\" id=\"2948944\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_457\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Esanders\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_161\"\u003eEsanders\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2948944\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_456\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 18 2017, 11:38 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2017-01-18 11:38:09 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_454\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_455\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_162\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eTo illustrate the problem with the MW theme, here are two tools in a group:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-left\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ab7mktz2c4dhaxl7jsq2\/PHID-FILE-k2ie3ogvyqhhsfmacz4h\/pasted_file\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-image-full\" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_51\"\u003e\u003cimg src=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ab7mktz2c4dhaxl7jsq2\/PHID-FILE-k2ie3ogvyqhhsfmacz4h\/pasted_file\" height=\"159\" width=\"1112\" alt=\"pasted_file (159\u00d71 px, 27 KB)\" \/\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe slight inner shadow makes it less obvious that those two tools form one control.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eEmbedding an actual button select widget looks cluttered with the extra borders:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-left\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/34tag6aqnuyzxof25gna\/PHID-FILE-4oxse7erdcz7zd5fylki\/pasted_file\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-image-full\" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_52\"\u003e\u003cimg src=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/34tag6aqnuyzxof25gna\/PHID-FILE-4oxse7erdcz7zd5fylki\/pasted_file\" height=\"159\" width=\"1113\" alt=\"pasted_file (159\u00d71 px, 27 KB)\" \/\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_467\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/qoo5jskgqgseq663cfpz\/PHID-FILE-cotd7ku2sm2c4m2zptx7\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Esanders\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2948951\" id=\"2948951\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_466\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Esanders\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_163\"\u003eEsanders\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2948951\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_465\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 18 2017, 11:46 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2017-01-18 11:46:27 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_463\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_464\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_164\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eA toggle switch widget would look something like this:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-left\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/q5xrwzliptgkowbymdmy\/PHID-FILE-ym2sexpl4mi7klzfnwak\/pasted_file\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-image-full\" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_53\"\u003e\u003cimg src=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/q5xrwzliptgkowbymdmy\/PHID-FILE-ym2sexpl4mi7klzfnwak\/pasted_file\" height=\"159\" width=\"1112\" alt=\"pasted_file (159\u00d71 px, 28 KB)\" \/\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe main issue here is the size.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_477\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/osm4efh3xfr53wkgjvvh\/PHID-FILE-tgtd7z76rklk23cplz4x\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/jmatazzoni\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"2949493\" id=\"2949493\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_476\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/jmatazzoni\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_165\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e jmatazzoni\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003eEdited\u003cspan class=\"visual-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e \u00b7 \u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"#2949493\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_475\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 18 2017, 5:24 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2017-01-18 17:24:12 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_473\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_474\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_166\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI see your problem with the ButtonSelectWidget Ed. 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I think the issue is that I've only ever seen such a switch used for an off\/on choice; not to choose among two selections.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e"},"javelin_metadata":[{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-USER-hphmqcx66p6d6gvmjzp7"}},{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-TASK-aa5b63e422r7ytb6bltc"}},{"phid":"PHID-FILE-s4dp2mthppbkdd4xbrhr","uri":"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/kykjgtwrpcwpfwd7g7oj\/PHID-FILE-s4dp2mthppbkdd4xbrhr\/Screen_Shot_2015-10-09_at_12.12.27.png","dUri":"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/download\/kykjgtwrpcwpfwd7g7oj\/PHID-FILE-s4dp2mthppbkdd4xbrhr\/Screen_Shot_2015-10-09_at_12.12.27.png","alt":"Screen Shot 2015-10-09 at 12.12.27.png (480\u00d7841 px, 60 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