for (;;);{"error":null,"payload":{"timeline":"\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell phui-timeline-yellow\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_71\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357551\" id=\"357551\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill fill-has-color phui-timeline-icon-fill-yellow\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-arrow-up phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_67\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_0\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e raised the priority of this task from \u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-value\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e to \u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-value\"\u003eLow\u003c\/span\u003e.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357551\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_66\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eNov 21 2014, 11:55 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2014-11-21 23:55:33 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-link phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_68\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_3\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added projects: \u003ca href=\"\/tag\/mediawiki-user-interface\/\" class=\"phui-handle\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_4\"\u003eMediaWiki-User-Interface\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/tag\/upstream\/\" class=\"phui-handle\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_5\"\u003eUpstream\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-pencil phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_69\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_6\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e set Reference to bz30113.\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_70\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_7\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a subscriber: \u003cspan class=\"phui-handle\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_8\"\u003eUnknown Object (MLST)\u003c\/span\u003e.\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_74\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/6jhzvei7hjoxylfvglzl\/PHID-FILE-zkiusielbllbmbdw6vvc\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Jidanni\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357558\" id=\"357558\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-pencil phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_73\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jidanni\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_9\"\u003eJidanni\u003c\/a\u003e created this task.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357558\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_72\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 29 2011, 1:27 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-29 13:27:00 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_85\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/gmb3bohtvy22zzvlaje7\/PHID-FILE-zcwqxhkprdlj5oadwhav\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Reedy\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/6\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_83\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rebel\" data-meta=\"0_84\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357571\" id=\"357571\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_82\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Reedy\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_10\"\u003eReedy\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357571\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_81\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 29 2011, 2:45 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-29 14:45:46 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_79\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_80\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_11\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #0)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eCreated attachment 8838 [details]\u003cbr \/\u003e\nugly logo extraction\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou duty at MediaWiki is to ensure that the user's site logo gets put in\u003cbr \/\u003e\nthe spot in the image instead of the MediaWiki logo.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDon't blame it on Facebook. You hid the user's site logo where Facebook\u003cbr \/\u003e\ncan't find it and put your logo where it could.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDon't blame it on the user and tell him to install plug-ins.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou have affected 100% of the wikis. Now please don't tell each user to\u003cbr \/\u003e\ninstall plugins to fix it.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ePlease don't close this bug until this embarrassment is fixed.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhat you are looking at is a link in a comment to a wall post, not the\u003cbr \/\u003e\nfirst post, which of course you should please test too.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhat?\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eAttached\u003c\/strong\u003e: \u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-left\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/puccuyawio6mtviozgca\/PHID-FILE-gqgh2ikk62zpfti3vw2y\/bad.png\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-image\" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_1\"\u003e\u003cimg src=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ld756bbvzuqxcuhquvwy\/PHID-FILE-d7pyra4la4j5fjgueh5x\/preview-bad.png\" width=\"220\" height=\"132\" alt=\"bad.png (480\u00d7800 px, 122 KB)\" \/\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_96\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/gmb3bohtvy22zzvlaje7\/PHID-FILE-zcwqxhkprdlj5oadwhav\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Reedy\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-indigo \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/6\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_94\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rebel\" data-meta=\"0_95\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357581\" id=\"357581\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_93\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Reedy\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_12\"\u003eReedy\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357581\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_92\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 29 2011, 3:19 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-29 15:19:47 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_90\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_91\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_13\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI'm not sure how this is a MediaWiki issue, the problem is with Facebooks Image scraping algorithm.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSURELY, it'd make sense for them to fix it in one place, rather than us fixing it and having to get that out to every wiki?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_105\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357589\" id=\"357589\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_104\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_14\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357589\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_103\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 29 2011, 3:24 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-29 15:24:42 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_101\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_102\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_15\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ejohn\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eReally not our issue, try talking to Facebook about it. They should fix their image scraping code.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_114\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357605\" id=\"357605\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_113\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_16\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357605\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_112\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 29 2011, 3:28 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-29 15:28:30 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_110\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_111\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_17\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ejohn\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAddtionally in my test while I didn't get the Logo, I'm not getting the Powered By image. Reedy says he's getting the Logo on occasion.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_123\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357618\" id=\"357618\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_122\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_18\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357618\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_121\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 29 2011, 3:35 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-29 15:35:39 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_119\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_120\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_19\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ebugs\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIgnore Jidani's rude report and read the thread on wikitech-l. It's a lot more\u003cbr \/\u003e\nconstructive and gives more details and possible ways to fix it:\u003cbr \/\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"http:\/\/thread.gmane.org\/gmane.org.wikimedia.mediawiki\/37794\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttp:\/\/thread.gmane.org\/gmane.org.wikimedia.mediawiki\/37794\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think most people on there agreed there was something that we need to fix.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_132\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/6jhzvei7hjoxylfvglzl\/PHID-FILE-zkiusielbllbmbdw6vvc\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Jidanni\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357632\" id=\"357632\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_131\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jidanni\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_20\"\u003eJidanni\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357632\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_130\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 29 2011, 10:01 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-29 22:01:40 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_128\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_129\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_21\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eCreated attachment 8844\u003cbr \/\u003e\ntwo terrible results of MediaWiki site logo degradation\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIn Comment #4 you mention inconsistent results. However we see that a Post gets no logo, whereas a Comment gets the MediaWiki logo, with no other choice... all seen here on a vanilla MediaWiki wiki with just a simple site logo and no images.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eAttached\u003c\/strong\u003e: \u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-left\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/lk3szf52ycjet2bzdkvn\/PHID-FILE-36tkeunabp6sqe6jwcn5\/doestoo.png\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-image\" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_2\"\u003e\u003cimg src=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/t6hna7ndfny6ehlr4aod\/PHID-FILE-2txdbqnqzjlmexgirtbz\/preview-doestoo.png\" width=\"220\" height=\"189.98272884283\" alt=\"doestoo.png (500\u00d7579 px, 49 KB)\" \/\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_141\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/6jhzvei7hjoxylfvglzl\/PHID-FILE-zkiusielbllbmbdw6vvc\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Jidanni\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357640\" id=\"357640\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_140\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jidanni\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_22\"\u003eJidanni\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357640\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_139\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 29 2011, 10:03 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-29 22:03:48 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_137\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_138\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_23\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #5) Sorry but I'm steamed.\u003cbr \/\u003e\nSince when in the TERMS does it say "you agree to have our ugly little\u003cbr \/\u003e\nlogo represent your site instead of your own painstakingly made logo".\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSince when is the site logo not to be shown to anybody who doesn't use\u003cbr \/\u003e\nan approved device, whereas e.g., Facebook and Google would never\u003cbr \/\u003e\ndream of such a move. Even on Facebook's\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/common\/browser.php?_fb_noscript=1\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttp:\/\/www.facebook.com\/common\/browser.php?_fb_noscript=1\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/common\/browser.php\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttp:\/\/www.facebook.com\/common\/browser.php\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ethey still make their logo available... accessible!\u003cbr \/\u003e\nOK, this bugzilla page uses the same background image HACK to speed\u003cbr \/\u003e\nloading or something. Fix that too!\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSince when is the site logo not considered something that should be\u003cbr \/\u003e\navailable to text browsers, screen readers, whereas the "Powered by"\u003cbr \/\u003e\nlogo is? Nope, take them both to the grave if you insist, not just\u003cbr \/\u003e\none.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAccessibility 101. Or keep the HACK and add a <noscript> (hack2, if there is\u003cbr \/\u003e\nno <nocss> to rescue the logo for text browsers. Yes, indeed, that way\u003cbr \/\u003e\nyou can keep your honor... you can reconcoct your CSS hack to\u003cbr \/\u003e\nsomething like\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e<img src="$wgLogo" alt="$wgSitename" display:none><!--Sorry, never\u003cbr \/\u003e\nstudied CSS, and proud of it!-->\u003cbr \/\u003e\n<current CSS hack to put logo in the background goes here>.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_150\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357651\" id=\"357651\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_149\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_24\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357651\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_148\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 29 2011, 10:11 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-29 22:11:27 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_146\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_147\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_25\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ejohn\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eJidanni being hostile and degrading towards developers will not entice anyone to fix this issue. An attitude like this is not conductive to getting any resolution for this issue.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_159\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357665\" id=\"357665\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_158\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_26\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357665\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_157\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 29 2011, 10:15 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-29 22:15:20 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_155\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_156\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_27\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ejohn\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAlso, what exactly do you mean by "and all other devices"?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_168\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/6jhzvei7hjoxylfvglzl\/PHID-FILE-zkiusielbllbmbdw6vvc\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Jidanni\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357673\" id=\"357673\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_167\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jidanni\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_28\"\u003eJidanni\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357673\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_166\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 29 2011, 10:35 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-29 22:35:46 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_164\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_165\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_29\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #9)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eAlso, what exactly do you mean by "and all other devices"?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eJust make sure the site logo has no less [[Web accessibility]] than the MediaWiki Powered By logo. Thank you.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_177\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/6jhzvei7hjoxylfvglzl\/PHID-FILE-zkiusielbllbmbdw6vvc\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Jidanni\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357680\" id=\"357680\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_176\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jidanni\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_30\"\u003eJidanni\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357680\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_175\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 29 2011, 10:41 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-29 22:41:17 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_173\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_174\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_31\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #9) [[Device_Independence]] too. At least other devices will have some indication there was an <img> there. Even Facebook leaves an <img> on their 'your browser is not cool enough' page.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_186\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/6jhzvei7hjoxylfvglzl\/PHID-FILE-zkiusielbllbmbdw6vvc\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Jidanni\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357702\" id=\"357702\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_185\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jidanni\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_32\"\u003eJidanni\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357702\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_184\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 30 2011, 8:23 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-30 08:23:45 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_182\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_183\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_33\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eLet's check how some big name websites deal with the issue\u003cbr \/\u003e\n$ w3m -dump \u003ca href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttp:\/\/www.flickr.com\/\u003c\/a\u003e |sed q\u003cbr \/\u003e\nFlickr logo. If you click it, you'll go home\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eCan't beat that.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_195\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/qvjhhztulbklrzxcfdj4\/PHID-FILE-bbvfzmb22ujwjcyiof5l\/profile-self.jpg)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/DanielFriesen\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357717\" id=\"357717\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_194\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/DanielFriesen\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_34\"\u003eDanielFriesen\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357717\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_193\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 30 2011, 8:27 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-30 08:27:08 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_191\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_192\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_35\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e...proprietary services don't have to deal with logos that overflow the logo area and cover the content area, various logo sizes that need to work without stretching or squashing, and a history of support for wiki that use a background-image inside their wiki's MediaWiki:*.css to change their logo in certain namespaces.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_204\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/6jhzvei7hjoxylfvglzl\/PHID-FILE-zkiusielbllbmbdw6vvc\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Jidanni\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357726\" id=\"357726\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_203\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jidanni\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_36\"\u003eJidanni\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357726\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_202\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 30 2011, 8:43 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-30 08:43:21 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_200\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_201\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_37\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #13)\u003cbr \/\u003e\nJust say "you are allowed one aaaXbbb sized logo. Any other sizes and you are on your own. You shall bear the consequences." It's either that, or include some Flash image cropper crap.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_213\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/qvjhhztulbklrzxcfdj4\/PHID-FILE-bbvfzmb22ujwjcyiof5l\/profile-self.jpg)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/DanielFriesen\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357733\" id=\"357733\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_212\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/DanielFriesen\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_38\"\u003eDanielFriesen\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357733\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_211\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 30 2011, 9:08 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-30 09:08:54 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_209\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_210\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_39\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e...you do realize that in the three example wiki you listed on the mailing list as wiki you're trying to fix, all three of them use different logo sizes from each other, none of them the size we'd consider standard . Also you shot yourself in the foot with your second suggestion because you're trying to get the logo visible by FB, and if it's sitting in a Flash cropper FB isn't going to see it... you'll also kill accessibility for users without flash.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd this still doesn't address the regression that background-image -> img will cause to the wiki currently customizing their logo in specific sections of the wiki using css (many of them who likely can't change php). Examples I can find quickly are Uncyclopedia (see the UnNews section for example) and WikiNews' Portal:United_Kingdom.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_222\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/6jhzvei7hjoxylfvglzl\/PHID-FILE-zkiusielbllbmbdw6vvc\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Jidanni\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357748\" id=\"357748\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_221\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jidanni\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_40\"\u003eJidanni\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357748\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_220\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 30 2011, 9:51 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-30 09:51:25 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_218\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_219\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_41\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI AM SURE that there is some way on earth to put a <img src> on a\u003cbr \/\u003e\nMediaWiki page.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eCall in all the astronauts in Houston. I'm sure we can do it.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAim for that same upper left corner...\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDon't ask me, I'm a HTML 4 strict guy with a non CSS \u003ca href=\"http:\/\/jidanni.org\/\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttp:\/\/jidanni.org\/\u003c\/a\u003e website.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut how about my "add a <img src... display:none>[?] while keeping the\u003cbr \/\u003e\nrest of what you do now intact" idea?\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(I was talking about (flaky) Flash recroppers that kick in just once when\u003cbr \/\u003e\npeople upload avatars.)\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_231\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357754\" id=\"357754\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_230\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_42\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357754\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_229\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 31 2011, 1:15 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-31 01:15:20 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_227\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_228\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_43\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eEN.WP.ST47\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo, the problem here is that facebook can't find a logo? What are 'all other devices', why is this mediawiki's fault rather than the other site, and why are you so terrible at making a lucid report?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_240\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/qvjhhztulbklrzxcfdj4\/PHID-FILE-bbvfzmb22ujwjcyiof5l\/profile-self.jpg)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/DanielFriesen\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357758\" id=\"357758\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_239\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/DanielFriesen\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_44\"\u003eDanielFriesen\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357758\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_238\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 31 2011, 1:25 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-31 01:25:03 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_236\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_237\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_45\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #17)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eSo, the problem here is that facebook can't find a logo? What are 'all other\u003cbr \/\u003e\ndevices', why is this mediawiki's fault rather than the other site, and why are\u003cbr \/\u003e\nyou so terrible at making a lucid report?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe use a background-image for the logo instead of an <img> so Facebook can't find it when it scans the pages for images to use when sharing the article.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe various points here:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003e<img> functions differently than a background-image:\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003ebackground-image properly clips logos that are too large\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eWe have existing wiki that are relying on the fact that the logo is a background-image and using site css to change the logo in various special cases like per-namespace\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eIt's possible to fix this in FB using OpenGraph, however og:image overrides the image list so including the logo there will break cases where FB is already finding good images, I'm also not sure people would like the idea of something nearly FB-specific being put into core\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eAnother suggestion is a redundant <img with display:none to hide it from everything else. It's a bit of a messy hack, waiting for other comments and reviews of that.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAs for 'all other devices' jidanni is pretty much talking only about css-less text based browsers... Normal browsers handle it fine, mobile browsers handle it fine, screen readers can't display images, a good portion of the text browsers I know of don't display images anyways... I only remotely know of one text browser that shows images. I suppose the only category of people here affected are people with bad eyesight that specifically choose to use a text based browser that still displays images.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_249\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357767\" id=\"357767\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_248\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_46\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357767\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_247\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 31 2011, 1:48 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-31 01:48:22 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_245\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_246\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_47\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eEN.WP.ST47\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThank you for the accurate summary. I wasn't aware that "text browser that shows images" was anything but an oxymoron, but if there are some, I suppose we should support them. I do know that we use a rather silly hack for no good reason. Would existing wikis that abuse CSS to change the logo per-namespace be able to do so if the logo was a pure image, or a background image with a second image set to display:none?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_258\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/6jhzvei7hjoxylfvglzl\/PHID-FILE-zkiusielbllbmbdw6vvc\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Jidanni\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357783\" id=\"357783\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_257\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jidanni\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_48\"\u003eJidanni\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357783\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_256\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 31 2011, 1:56 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-31 01:56:38 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_254\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_255\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_49\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #18)\u003cbr \/\u003e\nI have good eyesight, but still use text browsers so I can write bad bug\u003cbr \/\u003e\nreports :-)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIn emacs_w3m, w3m, and lynx, a Proper Image will still leave a button\u003cbr \/\u003e\none can press if he wants to see the image. The perfect balance between\u003cbr \/\u003e\nimages bombardment and nothing.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMediaWiki however kidnaps the most important image on the whole site,\u003cbr \/\u003e\nthe theme setter: the site logo, into its background CSS hack, leaving\u003cbr \/\u003e\ntext browser users totally unaware that the wiki maintainer had bothered\u003cbr \/\u003e\nto painstakingly create a site logo, or wish it was at least _accessible_.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_267\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/qvjhhztulbklrzxcfdj4\/PHID-FILE-bbvfzmb22ujwjcyiof5l\/profile-self.jpg)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/DanielFriesen\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357793\" id=\"357793\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_266\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/DanielFriesen\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_50\"\u003eDanielFriesen\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357793\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_265\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 31 2011, 1:59 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-31 01:59:08 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_263\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_264\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_51\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #19)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eThank you for the accurate summary. I wasn't aware that "text browser that\u003cbr \/\u003e\nshows images" was anything but an oxymoron, but if there are some, I suppose we\u003cbr \/\u003e\nshould support them. I do know that we use a rather silly hack for no good\u003cbr \/\u003e\nreason. Would existing wikis that abuse CSS to change the logo per-namespace be\u003cbr \/\u003e\nable to do so if the logo was a pure image, or a background image with a second\u003cbr \/\u003e\nimage set to display:none?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt's not an oxymoron I suppose, but here it's only relevant to an extremely odd subset of users (potentially not even any), and the only thing 'broken' is that they don't see the logo. (Arguably not that important to someone who has forgone 99% of styling and dropped to a linear layout where the existence of a logo on every page could actually rob vertical space).\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIf the <img> is display:none; then the normal logo and the img should be mutually exclusive, the img will display when there is no css-support, and the logo will display when there is css-support.\u003cbr \/\u003e\nThe clearest caveat of course is that it would be redundant and a bit of a markup mess in every skin. Not sure if every other potential caveat is accounted for... It would also be completely useless redundancy if the wiki has the OpenGraphMeta extension installed.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFor pure image, no. The image would always be in the way of the logo no matter where the bg is, so if we switched to <img> directly we'd regress the software taking all wikis that customize the logo that way and making them them display their original logo overlaying the logo they actually want. For opaque logos this will have the effect of covering the logo they want and making their css non-functional. For transparent logos of different outlines this could cause visual defects where the overlapping logos destroy each other, so to speak.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_276\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357803\" id=\"357803\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_275\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_52\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357803\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_274\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 31 2011, 2:15 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-31 02:15:09 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_272\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_273\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_53\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ebugs\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDaniel, you seem to be the one who knows the most about this and how to best handle it, so I'll ask you:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #21)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eIt would also be completely useless redundancy if the wiki has\u003cbr \/\u003e\nthe OpenGraphMeta extension installed.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo should we just say "This is intended functionality. We offer an extension called OpenGraphMeta to accomplish this functionality if wiki-owners desire it. There's really no other easy way to do it without causing other problems for little gain." and close the bug?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_285\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/6jhzvei7hjoxylfvglzl\/PHID-FILE-zkiusielbllbmbdw6vvc\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Jidanni\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357815\" id=\"357815\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_284\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jidanni\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_54\"\u003eJidanni\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357815\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_283\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 31 2011, 2:20 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-31 02:20:30 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_281\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_282\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_55\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #21)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003ewe'd regress the software...\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBack to the point where standard accessibility guidelines begun to be ignored,\u003cbr \/\u003e\nand now we see the price that must be paid to re-engineer them back in at this\u003cbr \/\u003e\nlate stage.\u003cbr \/\u003e\n(In reply to comment #22)\u003cbr \/\u003e\nNo. You have caused this bug for _all_ wikis. If it was merely a small number of wikis, you could tell them to install an extension and be done with it. But that's not what you have done.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_294\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357827\" id=\"357827\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_293\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_56\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357827\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_292\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 31 2011, 2:57 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-31 02:57:48 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_290\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_291\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_57\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eEN.WP.ST47\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFirst, to jidanni, I really think you'd get a fair bit further if you adopted a somewhat less accusative tone towards those who you're hoping will fix your problems for you.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAlso, I hope I'm not the only one who thinks it's rather odd that we're trying to build an encyclopedia, but "the most important image on the whole site" is not an image used to illustrate the topic of an article, but the site's logo. I would hope that people who use our wiki are "painstaking[ly] craft[ing]" their content rather than a little pretty image.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAs for an actual constructive suggestion, if the only reason we use the background hack in the first place is because it allows for images of the wrong size to be uploaded, maybe we should just require that uploaded images be the right size. Or use imagemagick, if available, to fix it. Then we could make our image be an image. Since presumably people making logos have some graphic design ability, they surely can crop their images.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_303\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/qvjhhztulbklrzxcfdj4\/PHID-FILE-bbvfzmb22ujwjcyiof5l\/profile-self.jpg)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/DanielFriesen\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357852\" id=\"357852\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_302\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/DanielFriesen\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_58\"\u003eDanielFriesen\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357852\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_301\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 31 2011, 4:03 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-31 04:03:06 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_299\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_300\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_59\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eA few more researched things to point out:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe display:none; <img> trick will only work for FB. Logos are links, as a result the link is the only actionable area, if a text browser \/did\/ make <img> tags actionable to view the image that functionality would be voided out by the fact that the logo is a link and would instead go to the main page. Which brings me to my next point.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ejidanni's report on w3m and lynx's behavior on <img>s is false.\u003cbr \/\u003e\nw3m and lynx DO NOT turn <img> tags into pressable buttons, and DO NOT provide the ability to open up the src of an <img> tag.\u003cbr \/\u003e\nw3m and lynx take <img> tags and display the alt text as textual content, if there is no alt text nothing appears. Images including alt text are not made into links to the image.\u003cbr \/\u003e\nThe image behavior seams to be a false report based on the fact that in MediaWiki by default we wrap an image in an <a> that links to the File: page, and that File: page contains an <a> that points to the source image. When arriving on that source image the browser detects a mimetype it cannot handle and opens the default program for that mimetype. Which to a normal user's computer, opens the image viewer program. Said functionality is not necessarily intended for the consumption of images, but rather in the hopes that give documents such as a .pdf, .doc, or audio file a disabled person's computer will be able to handle the media using it's default program in a way that the disabled user can interact with.\u003cbr \/\u003e\nSo, opening an image associated with a <img>... not a text browser feature. Being able to view a logo from a text browser, not functionality expected from a text browser browsing the standard accessible web.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAdditionally I've been reviewing that Web accessibility page on WP, and the w3c links... I don't believe that accessibility standards consider the use of text based browsers by users who are capable of seeing to be an accessibility target.\u003cbr \/\u003e\nUsers who cannot see and require the use of a screen reader for braille or auditory output are included of course. But users who are only have bad eyesight appear to be included not in the context of css-less text browsers, but in the context of full css-capable web browsers, with tweaks to have them display content larger. Which we DO actually have support for in ways some other websites don't (we use em's specifically for these users).\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo the claims that the ability to access the wiki's logo image from a text browser is relevant to web accessibility... those arguments are looking pretty void right now. Users who can actually see a logo should be using a css capable web browser.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThis bug looks limited to "Please make the logo show up in Facebook" now. Which naturally was NOT relevant when our practice of using a background-image started, as that started in MonoBook (actually no, pre monobook), and back then Facebook did not exist.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_312\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ktpxiau6eswechswlmd7\/PHID-FILE-2vlsbryc7loxstbithpy\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/demon\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357871\" id=\"357871\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_311\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/demon\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_60\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e demon\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357871\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_310\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 31 2011, 4:05 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-31 04:05:32 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_308\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_309\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_61\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #23)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eNo. You have caused this bug for _all_ wikis. If it was merely a small number\u003cbr \/\u003e\nof wikis, you could tell them to install an extension and be done with it. But\u003cbr \/\u003e\nthat's not what you have done.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt's not affecting all wikis...only wikis who wish to share their content of Facebook. For example: it affects none of my wikis.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_321\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/qvjhhztulbklrzxcfdj4\/PHID-FILE-bbvfzmb22ujwjcyiof5l\/profile-self.jpg)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/DanielFriesen\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357880\" id=\"357880\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_320\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/DanielFriesen\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_62\"\u003eDanielFriesen\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357880\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_319\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 31 2011, 4:30 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-31 04:30:28 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_317\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_318\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_63\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #24)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eAlso, I hope I'm not the only one who thinks it's rather odd that we're trying\u003cbr \/\u003e\nto build an encyclopedia, but "the most important image on the whole site" is\u003cbr \/\u003e\nnot an image used to illustrate the topic of an article, but the site's logo. I\u003cbr \/\u003e\nwould hope that people who use our wiki are "painstaking[ly] craft[ing]" their\u003cbr \/\u003e\ncontent rather than a little pretty image.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHeh, I was thinking of saying something along those lines too. A wiki where the logo is "painstaking[ly] crafted" but the content is not "painstaking[ly] crafted" is worthless. And we do make an effort to make sure that as much of that painstakingly crafted content is accessible to disabled users.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #24)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eAs for an actual constructive suggestion, if the only reason we use the\u003cbr \/\u003e\nbackground hack in the first place is because it allows for images of the wrong\u003cbr \/\u003e\nsize to be uploaded, maybe we should just require that uploaded images be the\u003cbr \/\u003e\nright size. Or use imagemagick, if available, to fix it. Then we could make our\u003cbr \/\u003e\nimage be an image. Since presumably people making logos have some graphic\u003cbr \/\u003e\ndesign ability, they surely can crop their images.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat I know of there are 3 current functional uses of the logo being a background-image:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eWithout any special coding a background-image that is too large gets cut off (we have skins with various logo area sizes, and the logo can be any arbitrary url to any unvetted image), unlike an <img> which if allowed to grow will overlap the content area. (note that since $wgLogo is an arbitrary url we can't do any ImageMagic stuff with it, iirc MediaWiki also functions mostly in hosts with url fopen wrappers disabled, so we also can't do anything that would require MW to download an image from a url)\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eUsing a background-image with a center center position as we do means we cater to a variety of logo sizes while still perfectly centering them in all skins.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eUsing a background-image also functions as a way to allow the logo and the logo area to be customized in various ways by css.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI did some testing to see what can be done with an <img> instead of the background-image. With use of overflow: hidden; it is possible to have the logo area cut off overly large logos easily. The centering however is a bit of good and bad. A text-align: center; does permit the logo to be horizontally centered like the background-image. However we cannot vertically center a logo that is an <img> like we can for a background-image. With some tweaks to the css it is possible to instead make the logo area vertically shrink to fit the logo of whatever height. However this has two caveats, both I'm sure we'll end up with people complaining about. A) Of course, the wiki with vertically small logos may not be happy about their logo area suddenly changing size. Technically they can pad their logos or hardcode margins. However that's not going to make wiki with extra skins including ones where a vertically conservative logo is a good thing happy. And forcing people to hardcode px margins is not a good practice for us (actually if they don't enable site stylesheets they can't even do that without code hacks, another bad tradeoff). B) More importantly, while the logo hasn't loaded the navigation will appear higher up in the sidebar, and once it's loaded will move to accommodate the logo. This will have the effect of making the sidebar jump around, create a visual distraction during the loading of the page, and can actually create a usability defect where a user goes to click a link, the logo loads, the sidebar jumps, and then the user clicks a different link. (this problem will be particularly noticed by low-speed Internet users)\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_330\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/qvjhhztulbklrzxcfdj4\/PHID-FILE-bbvfzmb22ujwjcyiof5l\/profile-self.jpg)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/DanielFriesen\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"357887\" id=\"357887\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_329\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/DanielFriesen\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_64\"\u003eDanielFriesen\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#357887\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_328\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 31 2011, 4:44 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-07-31 04:44:32 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_326\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_327\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_65\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eGiven the fact that this doesn't appear to actually be relevant to web accessibility. And given the fact that the background-image practice existed before Facebook existed when there was no reason to not use a background-image for a presentational feature like the logo, this appears to be an enhancement related to Facebook rather than a bug. And given the fact that Facebook is not a high priority for core, and an extension already provides functionality for wiki that desire extra Facebook compatibility this seams to be a low priority core enhancement.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e"},"javelin_metadata":[{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-USER-ynivjflmc2dcl6w5ut5v"}},{"phid":"PHID-FILE-gqgh2ikk62zpfti3vw2y","uri":"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/puccuyawio6mtviozgca\/PHID-FILE-gqgh2ikk62zpfti3vw2y\/bad.png","dUri":"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/download\/puccuyawio6mtviozgca\/PHID-FILE-gqgh2ikk62zpfti3vw2y\/bad.png","alt":"bad.png (480\u00d7800 px, 122 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