for (;;);{"error":null,"payload":{"timeline":"\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-older-transactions-are-hidden\" data-sigil=\"show-older-block\"\u003eThere are a very large number of changes, so older changes are hidden. \u003ca href=\"\/transactions\/showolder\/PHID-TASK-rjqderrvn3bglwosdp3w\/?after=90187&quoteTargetID=UQ0_1&quoteRef=T6582\" data-mustcapture=\"1\" data-sigil=\"show-older-link\"\u003eShow Older Changes\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_216\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90187\" id=\"90187\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_215\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_0\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90187\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_214\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 1 2008, 12:09 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-01 00:09:20 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_212\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_213\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_9\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eui2t5v002\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #91)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eTo me it makes a lot more sense that if an editor wants magic to happen, they\u003cbr \/\u003e\nshould ask for magic.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd we should remove the auto-linking of ISBN numbers, because there are a few cases where they should not link to the Book sources page.  See \u003ca href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/International_Standard_Book_Number#Check_digit_in_ISBN-10\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/International_Standard_Book_Number#Check_digit_in_ISBN-10\u003c\/a\u003e for example.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOh, and we should also remove the auto-linking of URLs, because sometimes people want them to just be written out without actually becoming a link.  See \u003ca href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/URL_normalization#Normalization_process\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/URL_normalization#Normalization_process\u003c\/a\u003e for some examples.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd we should remove the auto-linking of RFC numbers, since there are some cases where this conflicts and people don't want an actual link.  See ... well, I can't find any examples.  But I'm sure there are a few cases where people don't want them to be linked.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe certainly don't want to confuse users by linking these things every time, when they should only be links 99.9% of the time.  Users should have to explicitly spell out what they want with special tags, since we certainly don't want to make assumptions about what they want.  Let's call it an "a" tag, for "Anchor", and then we'll have the link text inside the tags, with a URL which we'll label "href" for "Hypertext REFerence", ...\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThis way we'll know exactly when users want links to be created, and they won't have to be bothered with those bothersome "nowiki" tags in the handful of cases that they don't.  It will be a great improvement to the usability of our wiki software.<signature block\/><date><today's date\/><\/date>\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_225\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/res\/phabricator\/e132bb6a\/rsrc\/image\/avatar.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90191\" id=\"90191\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_224\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_10\"\u003eTony1\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90191\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_223\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 1 2008, 12:57 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-01 00:57:06 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_221\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_222\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_11\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eAutomatically rendering ISO-formatted dates as autoformatted would need to be turned off. Autoformatting doesn't work with date ranges (3\u20137 January 2010, the way MOS says to format such a range), nor slashed dates (night of 3\/4 July). I guess you'd just write these ranged\/slashed items in raw form without any auto.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_234\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90199\" id=\"90199\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_233\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_12\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90199\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_232\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 1 2008, 9:16 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-01 21:16:39 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_230\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_231\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_13\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ecyp\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #66 w.r.t to some normalized value like '4 December 2008')\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eI suspect Mediawiki is used on a lot of sites that don't follow the English\u003cbr \/\u003e\nWikipedia's Manual of Style.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTrue, but all it needs do is use the same config setting that determines the date style for talk\/history. See $wgLanguageCode and $wgAmericanDates and comment #59. \u003cbr \/\u003e\nNB: This would just be the *default*, i.e. active only if there is no user-setting to override it.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #80)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eCan't we just substitute exactly the double square brackets currently in use with the arrows?\u003cbr \/\u003e\nSo: <<September 27>>, <<1980>>\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere is no need to institute a new syntax. What is wanted is for the dates to be formatted but not linked (or alternatively, the link to not be an obvious link), which has very little to do with the fact that it appears in square brackets.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTo that end, it does not make any difference whether the value is put in square brackets or in some altogether novel format like angle brackets, <date> or d? or whatever else. All these do what square brackets do already, which is to "flag" it as needing special handing. Square brackets work fine. No need to change it. The actual generation\/formatting\/color of a link (or not) is something that the server does anyway.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt is \/trunk\/extensions\/FormatDates\/DateParser.php and\/or \/trunk\/extensions\/FormatDates\/FormattableDate.php that need fixing first. Specifically, the fact that PREF_ISO and PREF_NONE are treated as synonymous in FormattableDate.determineFormat(). As such, the purpose of PREF_NONE is lost, which might under normal circumstances be used to switch to a sensible default.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe solution is to either fix determineFormat() or to have DateParser.convertPref() intelligently select an actual default format. i.e. it would not return self::PREF_NONE if no preference is set, but instead pick a suitable alternative (e.g. based on $wgLanguageCode and\/or $wgAmericanDates).\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_243\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90202\" id=\"90202\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_242\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_14\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90202\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_241\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 1 2008, 9:44 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-01 21:44:06 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_239\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_240\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_15\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eui2t5v002\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #94)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eAutoformatting doesn't work with date ranges (3\u20137 January 2010,\u003cbr \/\u003e\nthe way MOS says to format such a range), nor slashed dates (night of 3\/4\u003cbr \/\u003e\nJuly). I guess you'd just write these ranged\/slashed items in raw form without\u003cbr \/\u003e\nany auto.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eISO 8601 specifies periods of time, too; written with a slash between them, so we could auto-format that in a smart way as well ("1938-10-17\/2007-11-30" becomes "October 17, 1938 \u2013 November 30, 2007" according to my preference, while "2010-01-03\/07" becomes "3\u20137 January 2010" according to yours).  But it wouldn't be useful in cases where you want to add birth locations, "circa", and so on.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_252\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/res\/phabricator\/e132bb6a\/rsrc\/image\/avatar.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90205\" id=\"90205\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_251\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_16\"\u003eTony1\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90205\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_250\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 2 2008, 12:56 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-02 00:56:33 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_248\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_249\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_17\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eWell, I don't mind this ISO solution; nor the arrows substituted for square brackets. Just as long as the result is not blue\/underlined as for links: that's the feature that upsets the greatest number of users.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNot quite sure I understand cyp@abwesend.de's statement that there's no need for new syntax.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAt some stage, we need to establish a time-line and\/or bring to a head what is to be done. Sorry to be bossy (and I'm a total tech-idiot at that); but we've postponed the push to have the autoblotch made explicitly optional on WP (which would be the start of the end of it, I'm afraid) because of this new activity here.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAt the same time, we're very appreciative of the technical skills and knowledge brought to bear here, pro bono.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_261\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90207\" id=\"90207\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_260\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_18\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90207\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_259\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 2 2008, 1:00 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-02 01:00:34 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_257\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_258\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_19\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eMediaWiki\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #97)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eWell, I don't mind this ISO solution; nor the arrows substituted for square\u003cbr \/\u003e\nbrackets. Just as long as the result is not blue\/underlined as for links:\u003cbr \/\u003e\nthat's the feature that upsets the greatest number of users.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe linking itself bothers me. It's not such an issue on Wikipedia, where every year and day of the year has an article; but on smaller wikis (as I've mentioned before), having links just to format the dates clutters up the Special:Wantedpages list. And the blue is annoying, yes. If it were just the formatting that was irritating, we could simply push for a special class to be added to auto-formatted links and fix the appearance in CSS. The result should not merely be not blue; it should be not linked.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_270\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90209\" id=\"90209\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_269\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_20\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90209\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_268\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 11 2008, 2:35 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-11 02:35:01 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_266\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_267\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_21\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ecyp\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #97)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eNot quite sure I understand cyp@abwesend.de's statement that there's no need\u003cbr \/\u003e\nfor new syntax.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThis bug report actually conflates three issues. The reasons why they haven't been dealt with \u003cbr \/\u003e\nare enumerated at the end of this comment.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe three issues (and for #2 and #3 the potential solutions) are:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003col class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eThe description of this bug report is 'Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dated'. In other words, the person _wants_dates_to_be_identified_by_pattern_, and not by [[ ]] or <date><\/date> or whatever.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ol\u003e\n\n\u003col class=\"remarkup-list\" start=\"2\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eArticles are already being overloaded with linked dates. That is, people (me included) want to inhibit the \/existing\/ [[dates]] from appearing as links.\n\u003cbr \/\u003e\u003cbr \/\u003e\nTo describe the "solution", I have to first describe the problem, which is this: The '[[wikilink]]' syntax "tells" the server that what is between the brackets needs to be dealt with in a "special" way. What the server then does with it is something like this: a) call DateFormatter to reformat all instances of [[dateish-string]] into [[date links]] b) convert all instances of [[internal links]] (which now includes the reformatted [[dateish-string]]s) into regular html hyperlinks. Thus, if one didn't want dates to be link-ified, then all it would take is for the elements in the $this->targets[] array in DateFormatter to not be [[wikilink]] format. For example,   $this->targets[self::DMY] = '[[F j|j F]] [[Y]]' would read     $this->targets[self::DMY] = 'j F Y' See \u003ca href=\"http:\/\/svn.wikimedia.org\/viewvc\/mediawiki\/trunk\/phase3\/includes\/DateFormatter.php\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttp:\/\/svn.wikimedia.org\/viewvc\/mediawiki\/trunk\/phase3\/includes\/DateFormatter.php\u003c\/a\u003e which is called from Parser.php in the same directory.\n\u003cbr \/\u003e\u003cbr \/\u003e\nNB: the DateFormatter() is only called when $wgUseDynamicDates is set to 'true'. I don't think this option is enabled by default.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ol\u003e\n\n\u003col class=\"remarkup-list\" start=\"3\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003ePeople (me included) have also asked that the "default" be more human-friendly than ISO 8601.\n\u003cbr \/\u003e\u003cbr \/\u003e\nThe easiest way to do this would be to change the way DateFormatter.reformat() deals with "no preferred date format" (i.e. $preference is set to, or defaults to self::NONE); For example, it could default to the same date format as used on talk pages. There are of course more complex solutions possible, including: b) passing a new localsettings parameter to the DateFormatter.reformat() which would be the override value when $preference is\/becomes self::NONE. b) inferring a default date format from the server's language code ($wgLanguageCode) and $wgAmericanDates when the language code is English.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ol\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eAt some stage, we need to establish a time-line and\/or bring to a head what is\u003cbr \/\u003e\nto be done.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ePoint #1 should never be instituted, and (presumably) the reason why this bug was once\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"text\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003eclosed as WONTFIX.\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ePoint #2 can't be implemented on the server side because then dates that *really* need\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"text\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003elinking wouldn't be linked either!\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ePoint #3 if I'm reading the source right, this could be implemented without major issues,\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"text\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003ebut nobody really cares. ;)\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ePoint #2 can really only be dealt with by a site-specific formal ruling to inhibit \u003cbr \/\u003e\nunnecessary date linking and (optionally) disabling $wgUseDynamicDates for .en. Turning \u003cbr \/\u003e\nexisting overlinking into normal strings can be delegated to a bot.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_279\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90236\" id=\"90236\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_278\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_22\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90236\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_277\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 11 2008, 3:34 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-11 03:34:31 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_275\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_276\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_23\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eui2t5v002\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #99)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003col class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eThe description of this bug report is 'Provide preference-based\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ol\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eautoformatting for unlinked dated'.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"text\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003eIn other words, the person _wants_dates_to_be_identified_by_pattern_, and\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003enot\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"text\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003eby [[ ]] or <date><\/date> or whatever.\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNo.  The original request, and the thing that is most hated by everyone, is the fact that localization depends on *linking* the dates.  The link syntax is overloaded.  That's what this bug is supposed to get rid of.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFinding dates by pattern is the best way to do this.  (Instead of adding yet another wiki syntax that will have to be wrapped around 99% of the dates in the entire encyclopedia.)  But apparently that's too hard or something.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo the compromise method is to pick just *one* pattern and localize dates that fall into that pattern.  ISO is already recommended against in text, is designed to be machine-readable, and is unambiguous, so it should be used as the pattern to match.  Dates written in ISO in the article source will be localized to the user's preferred format, while regular written-out dates (used in quotations or whatever) will be untouched.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI've written up a better description here:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/User:Omegatron\/Date_formatting\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/User:Omegatron\/Date_formatting\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(Also see talk for discussion about guessing unregistered users' preferred format based on their browser's headers.)\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_288\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90246\" id=\"90246\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_287\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_24\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90246\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_286\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 11 2008, 8:01 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-11 08:01:47 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_284\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_285\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_25\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003es.r.e.turner\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOmegatron, you don't seem to have realised that ISO 8601 is also, at least as far as editors are concerned, "another wiki syntax that will have to be wrapped around 99% of the dates in the entire encyclopedia". All dates would have to be changed to either (i) dates in natural language with new markup round them or (ii) ISO format; and written in the corresponding way in future. I argued before that (i) is preferable because text transformations should be requested explicitly, but I also suspect more editors would prefer to write in style (i).\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ecyp, the original request says "please create syntax for marking dates to be rendered subject to date preferences that does not overload the [[]] link syntax, adn does not create a link", which does not correspond to any of your #1, #2 and #3. It requests new markup for dates, and I still think this is the best approach.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_297\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90252\" id=\"90252\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_296\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_26\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90252\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_295\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 11 2008, 8:08 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-11 08:08:24 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_293\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_294\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_27\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eMediaWiki\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eStephen, I'm one of those people who would prefer to write in style (ii). It's more easily internationalized that way. ISO 8601 is an international standard, after all. More markup is just more markup and makes things harder to type. The software is capable of regex matching of dates, and ISO 8601 is the most foolproof way to implement it. I'm against adding additional tags, but I don't like typing tags that the software I'm using (MediaWiki or otherwise) can insert for itself.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_306\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/res\/phabricator\/e132bb6a\/rsrc\/image\/avatar.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90256\" id=\"90256\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_305\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_28\"\u003eTony1\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90256\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_304\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 11 2008, 2:40 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-11 14:40:27 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_302\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_303\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_29\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI'm really pleased to see these ideas being debated. However, as a normal, non-technical user, I'm thoroughly confused (what is "localising", for example?).\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAs the original organiser of the 86-signature petition of Wikipedians asking for linking and autoformatting to be decoupled\u2014or for ''something'' to be done to stop the blue\u2014may I ask for the short-list of potential strategies\/solutions to be stated as plainly and simply as possible?\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat is, something like this.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOption 1: \u003cbr \/\u003e\n*what you key in\u003cbr \/\u003e\n*how it will be displayed\u003cbr \/\u003e\n*what is required technically\/administratively to achieve it\u003cbr \/\u003e\n*advantages\u003cbr \/\u003e\n*disadvantages\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOption 2:\u003cbr \/\u003e\n ....\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eetc.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_315\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/res\/phabricator\/e132bb6a\/rsrc\/image\/avatar.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90265\" id=\"90265\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_314\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_30\"\u003eTony1\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90265\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_313\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 12 2008, 7:06 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-12 07:06:32 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_311\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_312\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_31\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eBy the way, if you haven't seen it, here's the original petition of 88 Wikipedians from December 06. I'm sure it would multiply hyperbolically if restarted.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29\/Archive_D1#A_new_parallel_syntax_for_autoformatting_dates\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29\/Archive_D1#A_new_parallel_syntax_for_autoformatting_dates\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTony\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_324\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90270\" id=\"90270\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_323\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_32\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90270\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_322\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 15 2008, 3:41 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-15 03:41:41 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_320\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_321\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_33\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ecyp\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Omegatron\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_1\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Omegatron\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, Stephen Turner: I evidently misunderstood what it was that the person who filed this bug wanted, which is (if I understand it now), formatting of date-like thingies without these also being links.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOne simple solution:\u003cbr \/\u003e\nThe parser functions already have a #time function that allows dates to be reformatted. Whats missing is the means for it to obtain the user's date preference. Either...\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003col class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eadd a {{DATEPREF}} magic word, which would be #switch-adjusted for a call to #time\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eadjust #time, so that calling it with a null first argument causes it to use user preferences.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ol\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIn either case, wiki installations could then have a {{date|dateish-value}} template that wraps the back-end and that then displays a dateish-value as a formatted date. Option #1 is preferable because its more flexible.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eGetting real:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003ethe vast majority of people actually *reading* articles are anonymous users for whom dates are not reformatted.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eISO dates (where such a function would actually be quite useful) do not typically appear in article space; dates like "January 14, 2008" are far more common. The ISO dates also remain unformatted for anon readers.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eis '14 January 2008' really more readable than 'January 14, 2008'?\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eit does not solve the over-the-top zeal with which dates are being linked.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_333\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90275\" id=\"90275\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_332\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_34\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90275\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_331\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 15 2008, 8:14 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-15 08:14:51 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_329\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_330\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_35\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003es.r.e.turner\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThanks for your reply, cyp. I'd just like to comment on your last two bullet points.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e'14 January 2008' and 'January 14, 2008' are equally readable, but if we follow that argument to its conclusion, why have date preferences at all? Actually, abolishing date preferences is maybe another solution to the problem, but while we have them we need a way to invoke them without also linking.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOn zeal: I think it does solve it, or at least permits it to be solved. There are several overlapping factors here. (1) I think there has been a cultural shift over the years to link less. My understanding is that before my time there was a general assumption that every year number should be linked. Now, although there are differences of opinion, more editors are inclined to regard those links as useless clutter. (2) Users are encouraged in the Manual of Style to link full dates (day-month or day-month-year) to make date preferences work. The proposed change in this bug would make that unnecessary. No doubt it would take some time for existing users to be educated and for new users not to see so many examples and copy them, but it would happen. (3) It would also help with overlinking bare years, or months and years, because many new and intermediate users don't understand that there is no autoformatting gain to linking these and assume that they all have to be linked too.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_342\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90279\" id=\"90279\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_341\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_36\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90279\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_340\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 15 2008, 2:41 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-15 14:41:44 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_338\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_339\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_37\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eui2t5v002\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #105)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eIn either case, wiki installations could then have a {{date|dateish-value}}\u003cbr \/\u003e\ntemplate that wraps the back-end\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo it would be like this?\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e"'''George Washington''' ({{date|February 22, 1732}} \u2013 {{date|December 14, 1799}}) was a central, critical figure in the founding of the [[United States]].  He was born on {{date|February 22, 1732}} ({{date|February 11, 1731}}, [[Old Style and New Style dates|O.S.]])..."\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHow would you link the dates that *should* be linked?  Would it handle ranges?\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eISO dates (where such a function would actually be quite useful) do not\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003etypically appear in article space; dates like "January 14, 2008" are far more\u003cbr \/\u003e\ncommon. The ISO dates also remain unformatted for anon readers.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDefault formatting for unregistered users would be "14 January 2008", and would be surrounded by a css class so that it could be further manipulated by javascript if desired (something in Common.js).  Then the servers only need to cache one version of each page.  See the discussions:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/User_talk:Omegatron\/Date_formatting#Good_idea\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/User_talk:Omegatron\/Date_formatting#Good_idea\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_351\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90292\" id=\"90292\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_350\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_38\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90292\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_349\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 16 2008, 3:06 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-16 03:06:50 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_347\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_348\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_39\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ecyp\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #106)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eif we follow that argument to its conclusion, why have date preferences at all?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTo misquote Tennyson,... not ours to reason why, ours but to do and sigh. :)\u003cbr \/\u003e\nSome scheme is necessary to determine how dates are to be formatted. I see the user-pref as an extension of that, albeit an incomplete one since the default is not in a natural language.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eOn zeal: I think it does solve it, or at least permits it to be solved.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eGood point. Yes, an alternative would mitigate the present need to link.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_360\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90303\" id=\"90303\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_359\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_40\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90303\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_358\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 16 2008, 3:09 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-16 03:09:53 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_356\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_357\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_41\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ecyp\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #107)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eSo it would be like this?\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e"'''George Washington''' ({{date|February 22, 1732}} \u2013 {{date|December 14,\u003cbr \/\u003e\n1799}}) was a central\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eyes. In much the same way as one today would write\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"text\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003e[[February 22]], [[1732]] \u2013 [[December 14]], [[1799]]\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eor\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"text\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003e[[1732-02-22]] \u2013 [[1799-12-14]]\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eor whatever, with the result being the same, but sans linkage.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(NB: #time presently depends on php's own date() function, which can't deal with dates before 1970 and after 2038. This can be solved in much the same way that DateFormatter.php deals with the problem)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eHow would you link the dates that *should* be linked?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe alternative wouldn't affect existing $wgUseDynamicDates functionality, so [[ ]] syntax would still work for users with a date preference.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIdeally, the alternative {{date}} would (in contrast to dynamic dates) also have a human-friendly default, so it may be useful to have an alternate "with links" template (say {{ldate}}) that would always generate a human-friendly result even though $wgUseDynamicDates would not. Its just a matter of semantics, e.g. {{#time: F j, Y|2008-01-15}} versus {{#time: [[F j]], [[Y]]|2008-01-15}}\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAlso, with the presently enabled features on the server side, there is no functionality on the local installations for a template to determine whether there is a year present or not, and thus the basic {{date}} would not be able to be able to deal with dates that have no year value; "{{date|January 15}}" would return a wrong result. Thus, there would have to be other templates to deal with such values anyway. Again, its just a matter of semantics. e.g. Some front-end template calling a back-end core template with {{date\/core|January 15|1985|linkage=no|canonical=no}} or whatever.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eWould it handle ranges?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNo. And it shouldn't. One tool, one job.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eDefault formatting for unregistered users would be "14 January 2008", and would\u003cbr \/\u003e\nbe surrounded by a css class so that it could be further manipulated by\u003cbr \/\u003e\njavascript if desired (something in Common.js).\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThats a good idea. {{date|whatever}} would then just read \u003cbr \/\u003e\n <span name="wpAutoDate">{{{1|{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY2}}, {{CURRENTYEAR}}}}}<\/span>\u003cbr \/\u003e\nJavascript would do the rest.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThis could even be implemented right now, with the preferred date format eventually being passed in a 'var wgUserDateformat' (as is already done for wgUserName, wgContentLanguage etc).\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere are a few pitfalls that need to be navigated around, but the idea is good. It will need be very carefully written in order to not be rejected as mis-usable. It could also end up being fairly long. But the advantages would definitely outweigh the disadvantages.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_369\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/res\/phabricator\/e132bb6a\/rsrc\/image\/avatar.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90309\" id=\"90309\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_368\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_42\"\u003eTony1\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90309\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_367\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 16 2008, 10:51 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-16 10:51:09 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_365\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_366\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_43\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eIn reply to Stephen Turner: yep, abolishing date autoformatting (or at least making it optional) is a trigger waiting to be pulled at MOSNUM. The two main formats are equally readable, and frankly, I'd much rather read the one I don't use\u2014in normal black text\u2014than a blue splotch.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut it the kind folks here can decide on a way to fix the bug, we'd all be fine about keeping it.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTony\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_378\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90313\" id=\"90313\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_377\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_44\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90313\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_376\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 16 2008, 2:49 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-16 14:49:55 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_374\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_375\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_45\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eui2t5v002\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #109)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003ethere is a year present or not, and thus the basic {{date}} would not be able\u003cbr \/\u003e\nto be able to deal with dates that have no year value; "{{date|January 15}}"\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo there would be a syntax for full dates, a different one for month-day dates, a different one for human-friendly defaults, and a completely different one for linked dates?\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eWould it handle ranges?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNo. And it shouldn't. One tool, one job.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDate ranges should be formatted, too.  "5\u20137 January 1979" vs "January 5\u20137, 1979".  Would there be another template for ranges?\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhat advantages would this have over the ISO proposal?\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e"'''George Washington''' (1732-02-22\/1799-12-14) was a central, critical figure in the founding of the [[United\u003cbr \/\u003e\nStates]].  He was born on 1732-02-22 (1731-02-11, [[Old Style and New Style dates|O.S.]])..."\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eDefault formatting for unregistered users would be "14 January 2008", and would\u003cbr \/\u003e\nbe surrounded by a css class so that it could be further manipulated by\u003cbr \/\u003e\njavascript if desired (something in Common.js).\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThats a good idea.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOk.  (Moved to \u003ca href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/User:Omegatron\/Date_formatting#Proposal_for_defaults\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/User:Omegatron\/Date_formatting#Proposal_for_defaults\u003c\/a\u003e)\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_387\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90322\" id=\"90322\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_386\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_46\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90322\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_385\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 16 2008, 6:34 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-16 18:34:36 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_383\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_384\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_47\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ecyp\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #109)\u003cbr \/\u003e\nSo there would be a syntax for full dates, a different one for month-day dates,\u003cbr \/\u003e\na different one for human-friendly defaults, and a completely different one for\u003cbr \/\u003e\nlinked dates?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWithout any extra mustard that regular [[ ]] wouldn't give you either, you'd need only 1 template. For linkage functionality, which is not what this bug is asking for, you'd need another (and\/or an additional parameter for the first). Irrespective of the number, the result is always human friendly.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAs I said before, its only a matter of semantics. The number of functions you want is both directly proportionate to complexity and is inversely proportional to its ease of use.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eDate ranges should be formatted, too.  "5\u20137 January 1979" vs "January 5\u20137,\u003cbr \/\u003e\n1979".\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhats wrong with '5 January\u20147 January 1979'? Will you want '30 January\u20141 February 1979' and '30 December 1978\u20141 January 1979' to be handled too? What about '10 BC\u201410 AD'? How about ranges with "to"? Or "about", "mid", "early", "late" qualifiers?\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eWould there be another template for ranges?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat depends on the degree of complexity that you are willing to impose on the editor, and the threshold of acceptance for the increased complexity of the code. *Technically* there is no need for more than one template for *everything*.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDon't buy a cow if you're expecting eggs or wool.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_396\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90327\" id=\"90327\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_395\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_48\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90327\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_394\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 16 2008, 6:42 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-16 18:42:00 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_392\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_393\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_49\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eMediaWiki\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRegarding some of the recent discussion, I would oppose any changes that would make the core feature complex enough to require a wrapper template...\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_405\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90337\" id=\"90337\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_404\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_50\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90337\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_403\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 19 2008, 7:45 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-19 19:45:56 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_401\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_402\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_51\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003erosspatterson\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #110)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eIn reply to Stephen Turner: yep, abolishing date autoformatting (or at least\u003cbr \/\u003e\nmaking it optional) is a trigger waiting to be pulled at MOSNUM.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLest anyone read Tony's statement as "MOSNUM will soon be anti-date-formatting", it's actually a matter of quite a bit of argument, and there's currently no obvious end result.  It may happen, but it also may not.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003een:User:RossPatterson\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_414\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/res\/phabricator\/e132bb6a\/rsrc\/image\/avatar.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90343\" id=\"90343\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_413\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_52\"\u003eTony1\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90343\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_412\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 20 2008, 11:50 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-20 11:50:16 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_410\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_411\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_53\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eThat's true; so let's do something about it here and everyone will be relieved.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTony\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_423\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/res\/phabricator\/e132bb6a\/rsrc\/image\/avatar.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90346\" id=\"90346\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_422\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_54\"\u003eTony1\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90346\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_421\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 23 2008, 8:35 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-23 08:35:08 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_419\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_420\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_55\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003ePeople at WP have been asking for a synopsis of what has been decided on this page, and in one case specifically for "some conclusion on what syntax\/code\/markup has been decided, and who if anyone has written code to implement it".\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI wonder whether we're in a position to provide this information; I lack the technical skills to do so.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003een:User:Tony1\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_432\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90350\" id=\"90350\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_431\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_56\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90350\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_430\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 23 2008, 1:07 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-23 13:07:35 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_428\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_429\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_57\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eui2t5v002\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #116)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003ePeople at WP have been asking for a synopsis of what has been decided on this\u003cbr \/\u003e\npage, and in one case specifically for "some conclusion on what\u003cbr \/\u003e\nsyntax\/code\/markup has been decided, and who if anyone has written code to\u003cbr \/\u003e\nimplement it".\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI don't think anything has been decided.  Where are they asking?  They can read the bug report and comment on it themselves, can't they?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_441\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/res\/phabricator\/e132bb6a\/rsrc\/image\/avatar.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90365\" id=\"90365\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_440\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_58\"\u003eTony1\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90365\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_439\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 23 2008, 1:47 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-23 13:47:28 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_437\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_438\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_59\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eThe impression formed by the most recent correspondent, on my talk page, is that "Discussion is all over the place, and I'm looking for a synopsis". Like other Wikipedians, this correspondent appears to be keen for progress here; he probably wonders where to start to contribute.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI wonder whether the discussion has raised several possible solutions that can be summarised\u2014along with the perceived advantages and disadvantages of each\u2014by someone who has the skills. Then we might set about deciding on a definitive option, and how it might be pursued.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI'd be pleased to see the easiest technical solution at the moment\u2014anything to remove the blue splotches.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_450\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90370\" id=\"90370\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_449\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_60\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90370\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_448\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 23 2008, 1:57 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-23 13:57:30 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_446\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_447\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_61\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eui2t5v002\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #118)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eI'd be pleased to see the easiest technical solution at the moment\u2014anything\u003cbr \/\u003e\nto remove the blue splotches.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLong-term usefulness is more important than urgently getting rid of something that has been there for years anyway.  Let's think carefully about what we *really* want it to do.  Implementing the dynamic date feature without predicting the long-term consequences of linking every date was what caused this problem in the first place, no?  The people clamoring to get rid of these ugly blue splotches ASAP need to relax; a technical solution will be implemented eventually.  They can help decide *which* technical solution to go forward with instead of arguing about style guidelines that will be rendered moot by it anyway.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_459\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/res\/phabricator\/e132bb6a\/rsrc\/image\/avatar.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90379\" id=\"90379\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_458\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_62\"\u003eTony1\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90379\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_457\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 23 2008, 2:14 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-23 14:14:54 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_455\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_456\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_63\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eThanks very much, but I won't "relax", as you put it, until something is done about it. This issue has been here for more than a year now\u2014I don't call that "clamouring" or "ASAP". How long this sad function has been inflicted on us has no relevance at all. If it had been implemented last week, the need to address its deficiencies would be just as great. The lack of impetus on this page is what concerns me, and others at WP.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_468\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/jg4y3bjmnicnl6ph77ga\/PHID-FILE-p5j2xtg5wczrhfizkz3v\/profile-sailor.jpeg)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/kaldari\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90384\" id=\"90384\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_467\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/kaldari\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_64\"\u003ekaldari\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90384\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_466\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 28 2008, 4:05 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-28 16:05:20 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_464\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_465\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_65\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eWe have a problem on the English Wikipedia. Template Citation pulls in accessdates without wikilinking them, while Cite News, Cite Web, etc, wikilink the date when it is pulled in. Thus editors have to remember to use unlinked ISO dates for Cite web, Cite news, etc. but have to remember to use a wikilinked regular date for Citation. The fact that these two sets of templates aren't consistent is ridiculous, but neither is willing to change as it would break thousands of articles if either changes to the other convention. I tried to get Citation to switch to using the unlinked ISO convention (that gets converted by the template), but the editors there said there was no reason to force the change since this bug is supposed to be fixed soon (in a matter of weeks they claim). Reading through the comments here, I'm only more confused as to the status of this bug. What is the status, and when is the expected implementation date, if any?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_477\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90393\" id=\"90393\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_476\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_66\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90393\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_475\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 28 2008, 4:17 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-28 16:17:23 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_473\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_474\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_67\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eui2t5v002\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #121)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eReading through the comments here, I'm only more confused as\u003cbr \/\u003e\nto the status of this bug. What is the status, and when is the expected\u003cbr \/\u003e\nimplementation date, if any?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWho said a few weeks?  Who's going to write it?  Can't you switch to the unlinked ISO date to make all the templates consistent and then have a bot fix them?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_486\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90397\" id=\"90397\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_485\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_68\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90397\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_484\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 28 2008, 4:40 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-28 16:40:07 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_482\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_483\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_69\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eMediaWiki\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #122)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #121)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eReading through the comments here, I'm only more confused as\u003cbr \/\u003e\nto the status of this bug. What is the status, and when is the expected\u003cbr \/\u003e\nimplementation date, if any?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWho said a few weeks?  Who's going to write it?  Can't you switch to the\u003cbr \/\u003e\nunlinked ISO date to make all the templates consistent and then have a bot fix\u003cbr \/\u003e\nthem?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI don't know how many pages use {{citation}} -- I've only come across {{cite stuff}} templates in the wild myself. Perhaps the number is small enough to recruit a small number of AWB users and have them do a mass fix run right after the template is changed.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_495\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/jg4y3bjmnicnl6ph77ga\/PHID-FILE-p5j2xtg5wczrhfizkz3v\/profile-sailor.jpeg)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/kaldari\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90401\" id=\"90401\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_494\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/kaldari\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_70\"\u003ekaldari\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90401\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_493\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 28 2008, 5:24 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-01-28 17:24:36 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_491\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_492\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_71\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eFullstop says he's working on it so maybe he has something up his sleeves. In the meantime, I've changed the Citation template to format the accessdate with the date template. It's not an ideal solution, but I guess it will work until we can get a bot lined up to do a mass-conversion.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_504\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90404\" id=\"90404\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_503\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_72\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90404\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_502\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eFeb 15 2008, 3:38 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-02-15 15:38:27 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_500\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_501\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_73\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ecyp\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eA Javascript-based solution for this issue is at\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"text\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003ehttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/User:Fullstop\/autodate.js\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003een.wiki users can add\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"text\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003eimportScript('User:Fullstop\/autodate.js');\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eto their monobook.js.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDates tagged with {{date|...some date...}} will be automagically converted. \u003cbr \/\u003e\nTo tag dates manually, use <span class="wpAutoDate">...some date...<\/span>\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDocumentation is in \u003ca href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/User:Fullstop\/autodate.js\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/User:Fullstop\/autodate.js\u003c\/a\u003e itself.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHave fun. :)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eps: Let me know of any interest in a test-case generator written to stress autodate.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_513\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90412\" id=\"90412\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_512\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_74\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90412\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_511\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eFeb 15 2008, 5:08 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-02-15 17:08:47 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_509\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_510\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_75\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eMediaWiki\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat script looks interesting, but it doesn't solve the problem for unregistered users or users who don't install the script. Even if it's installed in the site JS, it still leaves out non-JavaScript browsers. I'm considering putting it in my monobook.js, but I don't think it's more than a workaround for this bug.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_522\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90422\" id=\"90422\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_521\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_76\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90422\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_520\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eFeb 15 2008, 11:43 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-02-15 23:43:20 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_518\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_519\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_77\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ecyp\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #126)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eThat script looks interesting, but it doesn't solve the problem for\u003cbr \/\u003e\nunregistered users or users who don't install the script. Even if it's\u003cbr \/\u003e\ninstalled in the site JS, it still leaves out non-JavaScript browsers.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\n\n\u003col class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eAmazing but true, its not a solution for world hunger either.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eIts \/meant\/ to run as site JS. How could anyone even think otherwise?\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ol\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd at the risk of disillusioning you further, client-side scripting is also the only solution for whatever it is you think this bug is about.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat is because -- with the exception of minimal phase3 stuff (i.e. [...]\/[[...]] translation, which includes DateFormatter.php stuff) -- articles are not rewritten on the way from the cache to the client. No templates, no custom <time><\/time>, whatever. All that was processed at the time of last save; its all cached and is all end-user independent.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAutodate.js is also the only solution that (were it in site JS) would work correctly for unregistered users. Actually, as long as the script is _not_ site JS (and as long as the server does not emit a wgUserDateFormat variable), the script also cannot infer a registered user's date pref. Meaning: at present (as long as its not site JS), the script treats an registered user in the same way it would an unregistered one. Of course, I have a solution for that too, but I'm not going to implement it; because the whole point is that the script is \/meant\/ to be running as site JS. (oh duh!)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut all that aside, if anyone thinks there is a perfect solution to this problem, perhaps even with real working code and not just empty talk, then for heaven's sake lets hear\/see it. Until then, how about some \/practical\/ feedback? Something actually *useful* would be nice.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_531\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90433\" id=\"90433\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_530\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_78\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90433\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_529\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eFeb 16 2008, 12:15 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-02-16 00:15:19 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_527\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_528\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_79\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eui2t5v002\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #127)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eAutodate.js is also the only solution that (were it in site JS) would work\u003cbr \/\u003e\ncorrectly for unregistered users. Actually, as long as the script is _not_ site\u003cbr \/\u003e\nJS (and as long as the server does not emit a wgUserDateFormat variable), the\u003cbr \/\u003e\nscript also cannot infer a registered user's date pref. Meaning: at present (as\u003cbr \/\u003e\nlong as its not site JS), the script treats an registered user in the same way\u003cbr \/\u003e\nit would an unregistered one. Of course, I have a solution for that too, but\u003cbr \/\u003e\nI'm not going to implement it; because the whole point is that the script is\u003cbr \/\u003e\n\/meant\/ to be running as site JS. (oh duh!)\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDid you read \u003ca href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/User:Omegatron\/Date_formatting#Proposal_for_defaults\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/User:Omegatron\/Date_formatting#Proposal_for_defaults\u003c\/a\u003e ?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_540\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90444\" id=\"90444\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_539\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_80\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90444\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_538\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eFeb 16 2008, 10:07 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-02-16 10:07:58 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_536\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_537\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_81\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ecyp\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eDid you read\u003cbr \/\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/User:Omegatron\/Date_formatting#Proposal_for_defaults\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/User:Omegatron\/Date_formatting#Proposal_for_defaults\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cbr \/\u003e\n?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhat exactly is it that you're trying to say? Yes, I've read #Proposal_for_defaults. But what does that have to do with the text that you're quoting?\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAs you might infer from the autodate documentation, the script effectively does what is described in that proposal. As such, you could consider autodate to be the proof-of-concept that your proposal is (fundamentally) sound.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIncidentally, the {{date|...}} template (which adds the <span class=...> tags that autodate.js sees) pre-formats dates as 'dmy' (aka "RFC 2822") dates. That is then what a user who does not have JS enabled (or is not running the script) will see.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_549\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90450\" id=\"90450\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_548\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_82\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90450\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_547\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 10 2008, 3:05 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-07-10 03:05:03 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_545\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_546\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_83\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ejonathan.l.schilling\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI feel strongly that defaults for un-logged-in users can be based upon their\u003cbr \/\u003e\nbrowser's language and locale settings.  That's what those settings are there for!\u003cbr \/\u003e\nI've worked on I18N\/L10N projects that did this, and it's the standard way that\u003cbr \/\u003e\na lot of e.g. Java server-side webpage software is set up to operate.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThis change could be made *now*, independently of decoupling date autoformatting\u003cbr \/\u003e\nfrom the link syntax.  It would let a lot of unregistered users see dates, \u003cbr \/\u003e\nespecially in Wikipedia citations, in their native format rather than ISO format.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_558\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/res\/phabricator\/e132bb6a\/rsrc\/image\/avatar.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90456\" id=\"90456\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_557\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_84\"\u003eTony1\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90456\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_556\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 10 2008, 9:08 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-07-10 09:08:39 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_554\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_555\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_85\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eWell, the horse has bolted, I think. Over the past year, date autoformatting has gone from being mandatory to being no longer encouraged at Wikipedia's MOSNUM style guide. The problem with Jonathon's suggestion is that there are multiple issues: the fact that it's a self-indulgent in-house-only facility (our readers put up with the strange bright-bluing of dates and wonder why, since they see the raw format, often inconsistent within articles); and of course it's STILL tangled up with the linking mechanism, despite our huge petition more than a year ago.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI wouldn't hold my breath for any technical changes given our experience, and I firmly believe that we're better off without autoformatting. Heck, we've been managing very well with different varieties of English spelling, as long as consistent within each article: who CARES whether day or month comes first in a date? It's piffle.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe only thing to happen now is for the practice of not autoformatting to filter through properly to WPians.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTony\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_567\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90468\" id=\"90468\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_566\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_86\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90468\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_565\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJul 10 2008, 12:15 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-07-10 12:15:03 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_563\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_564\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_87\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ejonathan.l.schilling\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI'm not arguing for autoformatting, I don't mind seeing it go either.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut the fact remains that there are zillions of autoformatted dates\u003cbr \/\u003e\ncurrently in WP articles.  Until they all disappear, a simple technical\u003cbr \/\u003e\nchange can render them more reasonably to not-logged-in readers.  This is\u003cbr \/\u003e\nespecially the case for dates in cite template usages, which will likely\u003cbr \/\u003e\nbe the last to be un-autoformatted and where not-logged-in readers currently \u003cbr \/\u003e\nsee most of them in raw, unfriendly technical ISO format.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_576\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90474\" id=\"90474\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_575\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_88\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90474\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_574\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eSep 3 2008, 7:25 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-09-03 19:25:13 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_572\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_573\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_89\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ebillclark\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ediff -u for includes\/DateFormatter.php\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThis patch implements auto-formatting for non-wikilinked dates.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eAttached\u003c\/strong\u003e: \u003cdiv href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/wsmohcfce34p3ys3cvsf\/PHID-FILE-qesejjsddmcmmxd7q53i\/diff.txt\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-link \" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_2\" data-mustcapture=\"1\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-file-text-o phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-icon\" data-meta=\"0_3\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-info-block\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-name\"\u003ediff.txt\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-info\"\u003e4 KB\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-download\" href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/download\/wsmohcfce34p3ys3cvsf\/PHID-FILE-qesejjsddmcmmxd7q53i\/diff.txt\"\u003eDownload\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_585\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/res\/phabricator\/e132bb6a\/rsrc\/image\/avatar.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90485\" id=\"90485\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_584\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_90\"\u003eTony1\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90485\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_583\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eSep 4 2008, 1:44 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-09-04 01:44:11 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_581\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_582\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_91\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eThanks, but I have to rain on that parade now. First, as most correspondents here probably know, date autoformatting (DA) is now deprecated by the Manual of Style. One of the key reasons is that we now realise it is inherently bad for editors not to see the dates that our IP readers see. A large-scale audit of dates in general WIkipedia articles\u2014in which DA is removed, ''inter alia''\u2014 is revealing autoformatting to be a major source of date-mess in our articles; this applies even to WP's most popular articles. It's easy to see why we have been performing so poorly in this respect: a British editor comes along to the article on J. F. Kennedy, for example, and adds a few dates in international format, forgetting that the international format s\/he is viewing in the article is not the real, underlying format. So we have three or four international dates among many US formatted dates\u2014this in an article that couldn't be more American if you tried. Because most editors haven't yet switched their prefs to "no preference"\u2014something all serious contributors should do forthwith\u2014these inconsistencies remain, viewed by our readers.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHere's the breakdown (in parentheses) from the auditing of a sample of 71 such articles (with my prior off-the-cuff estimations in square brackets, out of interest): \u003cbr \/\u003e\n#a small proportion of dates in the "other" format (36.6% of the 71 audited articles) [40%];\u003cbr \/\u003e\n#a messy mixing of the formats, where the correct format can be determined via MOSNUM's rules (8.5%) [10%];\u003cbr \/\u003e\n#a messy mixing of the formats, where the correct format needs further input by local editors (I don't see it as my job to go back to the first date that appeared in the article\u2014I typically leave a note at the talk page, asking them to buzz me if they need further assistance) (8.5%) [5%];\u003cbr \/\u003e\n#the completely wrong date format (e.g., US dates for an Irish rock group) (5%) [fewer than 5%]\u003cbr \/\u003e\n#all correct (~ 40%) [40.8%].\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWithin the first four categories, six articles contained faulty dates ("th", weird order or syntax, etc).\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt's a no-brainer that keeping our dates under good management is going to improve markedly as we move on from the DA period, apart from all of the other benefits of removing DA. So as much as I admire the motivation behind Bill's creation of a patch, using it will simply retain a major impediment to the good management of dates in WP articles.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTony\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_594\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90489\" id=\"90489\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_593\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_92\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90489\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_592\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eSep 4 2008, 2:17 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-09-04 02:17:45 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_590\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_591\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_93\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eui2t5v002\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #134)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eThanks, but I have to rain on that parade now. First, as most correspondents\u003cbr \/\u003e\nhere probably know, date autoformatting (DA) is now deprecated by the Manual of\u003cbr \/\u003e\nStyle.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYou mean linking dates.  The software should autoformat dates without links, so that they are always consistent for viewers, whether logged in or not.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_603\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90493\" id=\"90493\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_602\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_94\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90493\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_601\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eSep 4 2008, 6:03 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-09-04 06:03:00 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_599\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_600\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_95\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003esmccandlish\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAs long as it results in people moving away from linking dates for no *article*-meaningful reason, then great.  I can't believe its taken this long to get there.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_612\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/jg4y3bjmnicnl6ph77ga\/PHID-FILE-p5j2xtg5wczrhfizkz3v\/profile-sailor.jpeg)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/kaldari\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90497\" id=\"90497\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_611\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/kaldari\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_96\"\u003ekaldari\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90497\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_610\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eSep 4 2008, 3:44 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-09-04 15:44:39 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_608\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_609\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_97\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI think you've convinced me Tony. Is there a bug for removing Auto-formatting entirely?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_621\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/res\/phabricator\/e132bb6a\/rsrc\/image\/avatar.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90501\" id=\"90501\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_620\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_98\"\u003eTony1\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90501\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_619\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eSep 4 2008, 4:12 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-09-04 16:12:58 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_617\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_618\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_99\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eBy all means, Ryan. The instructions for installation and usage are here:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/User_talk:Tony1#More_on_date_formatting\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/User_talk:Tony1#More_on_date_formatting\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eUser Lightmouse, the author, has a page for feedback, a wishlist, and a register for any technical issues you uncover, here:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/User:Lightmouse\/wishlist\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/User:Lightmouse\/wishlist\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTony\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_630\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/4du4ek2aiboicdfoxqxd\/PHID-FILE-aqlbmdp7x36y4nqsghlb\/profile-Me-Portrait-Illustration-Maker.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Jc3s5h\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90509\" id=\"90509\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_629\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jc3s5h\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_100\"\u003eJc3s5h\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90509\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_628\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eSep 4 2008, 5:39 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-09-04 17:39:23 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_626\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_627\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_101\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003col class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eBill Clark's patch should be much better documented before it is given serious consideration.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ol\u003e\n\n\u003col class=\"remarkup-list\" start=\"2\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eI think Tony Souter misunderstood Ryan Kaldari's question. I think Ryan asked if there is a request for a mediawiki change that would entirely eliminate Auto-formatting, so that if the software encountered [[4 September]] [[2008]] it would treat it as a link to the article 4 September, a link to the article 2008, and nothing more. The concept that the order of the elements might be changed would be removed from the software. The Date Format box on the Date and time tab of User preferences would disappear, or would only apply to system-generated timestamps such as the time edits were performed. Right?\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ol\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_639\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/res\/phabricator\/e132bb6a\/rsrc\/image\/avatar.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90522\" id=\"90522\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_638\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_102\"\u003eTony1\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90522\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_637\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eSep 4 2008, 5:45 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-09-04 17:45:59 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_635\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_636\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_103\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eYou mean as though all WPians had chosen "no preference" in their date-format prefs ... That's what we advise they do already. I can see no point in that proposal, if it's really what Ryan meant.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_648\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90536\" id=\"90536\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_647\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_104\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90536\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_646\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eSep 4 2008, 7:37 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-09-04 19:37:14 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_644\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_645\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_105\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ebillclark\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIf it's decided upon that autoformatting should be turned off (and there's no consensus for this on WP) then it's a one-line change to the configuration file in MediaWiki.  If official policy is to effectively disable autoformatting, by either unlinking nearly all dates or by having all registered users specify "No preference" then it would be far better to disable the function entirely in the parser.  I don't understand the point about documentation; I didn't add any new code, just some extra variable definitions that are just as obvious in their meaning as the other, similarly undocumented ones already there.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-note\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"remarkup-note-word\"\u003eNOTE:\u003c\/span\u003e This patch should NOT be applied without additional discussion on WP.  If and when it is applied, it will cause all unlinked dates to be autoformatted, unless they are surrounded by a <nowiki> tag.  Dates that have been intentionally left unlinked (such as those in quotes, etc.) will need to have the <nowiki> tag wrapped around them, prior to this patch being applied.\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_657\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90539\" id=\"90539\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_656\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_106\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90539\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_655\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eSep 5 2008, 2:32 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-09-05 02:32:57 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_653\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_654\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_107\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ecyp\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phabricator-remarkup-mention-unknown\"\u003e@Jonathan\u003c\/span\u003e Schilling:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI have working Javascript that will set a datepref cookie whose value is inferred from browser locale\/time settings. The cookie's values are the same as those DateFormatter.php uses, i.e. 'mdy'\/'dmy'\/'ymd'\/'ISO 8601'.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut its a chicken-egg\/bureaucratic problem. If DateFormatter.php doesn't support such a cookie, then wikis won't implement such a Javascript function. And vice-versa.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phabricator-remarkup-mention-unknown\"\u003e@Bill\u003c\/span\u003e Clark:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eas you already seem to be aware ;), causing unlinked dates to be autoformatted is not such a GoodThing. But you can avoid that with a twist to the tale:  make the *existing* [[ ]] syntax reformat dates *without* links. And make [[: ]] reformat dates *with* links (':' because dates are in main namespace). Yes, it perverts [[ ]] syntax a bit, but date formatting is perverted to begin with and I don't suppose it would cause any serious disruption.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_666\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/res\/phabricator\/e132bb6a\/rsrc\/image\/avatar.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90543\" id=\"90543\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_665\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_108\"\u003eTony1\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90543\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_664\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eSep 5 2008, 2:47 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-09-05 02:47:43 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_662\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_663\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_109\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eGuys, I appreciate your technical expertise, don't get me wrong; two and a half years ago, I'd have been delighted to have received your input. But by now the WP community has moved on, having realised the disadvantages in trying to solve a non-problem with hi-tech, no matter how "simple" these proposed programming solutions might seem.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAs much as this must seem like "looking a gift horse in the mouth", I have to say that the horse has bolted and is off to better grasslands. No one here has presented an argument that month or date first really matters in the first place. WPians have reacted positively, in many cases enthusiastically, to the removal of DA, and now we'd like to get on with WYKIWYG (What You Key in Is What You Get). I think they wouldn't react positively to another round of tech solutions. For what?\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIf the move to get rid of DA had happened overnight, it might be different. But it's steadily evolved over the past two years and more, from mandatory to optional and now to deprecated. During this period, it has been debated extensively (what you see on this page is a mere iceberg tip).\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThanks for your efforts, but they don't seem to be at all relevant now. Issue sorted.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTony\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_675\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90545\" id=\"90545\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_674\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_110\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90545\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_673\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eSep 5 2008, 7:38 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-09-05 07:38:37 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_671\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_672\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_111\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ecyp\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTony, you seem to think that all the people tracking this bug are DA fans. You need to remember that this is a *bug* report, and the problem is [[autoformatting]], which is either enabled or disabled, and having it enabled is not a bug per se. So really all anyone can do is ask to get rid of its most painful aspects. That way, those \/other fellows\/ who like DA can have their damned DA, and everyone else can preserve their sanity.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo, (for me at least) its an issue of finding an option to give the DA fans so that they don't get on my nerves. This bug report was (as I see it) another way to make DAs irrelevant, and I'd like to think that many of the people think like me and voted for deprecation. :)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut you can come down from your high horse even if I'm wrong. :) Deprecating DAs hasn't really changed anything. [[autoformatting]] is still enabled. A bazillion articles still have ADs by the score. Mix-and-match still abounds. Everyone still has to deal with the bluelink blizzard. IPs still get to see gobbledygook.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIts great that a resolution has be found on the MOS front. But the battle to get rid of DAs altogether has not yet been won. Until then, don't rest on your laurels, and don't underestimate the resistance. Until\/unless you have an alternative to appease the DA fans \/and\/ a fix (alas, tech!) for existing DAs, there is no way you (or I or anyone else) will find consensus at WP:VPR\/WP:VPT to turn off autoformatting.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_684\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90548\" id=\"90548\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_683\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_112\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90548\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_682\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eSep 5 2008, 3:26 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-09-05 15:26:19 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_680\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_681\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_113\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ebillclark\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eCount me as one of the DA fans.  I much prefer it to the alternative, which would be a return to the bad old days of editors arguing over date formats.  There's some work going on with the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Dates|Dates WikiProject]] to compile statistics on just how many articles have mix-and-match formatting, linked dates, unlinked dates, etc.  From there we can hopefully make some progress on cleanup -- which I agree needs to be done, whether or not we keep DA.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTony, I wish you'd stop with your anti-tech comments.  Within hours of your pointing out this bug to me, I provided a working patch.  Then I created a WikiProject to deal with the cleanup issue.  I also enlisted the aid of the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Database Analysis|Database Analysis WikiProject]] to generate some useful statistics (though in retrospect some of those people seem to be a bit nuts... though that's just more evidence of the lack of consensus on this issue, I suppose.)  I'm putting some serious effort into dealing with this issue and reaching some kind of workable solution that satisfies everybody, not just the anti-DA crowd.  When you make disparaging remarks about the quality of the programming work done by me or anyone else, you're alienating people.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAlso, this has been an issue for a lot longer than two years.  I remember arguments over date formatting back in 2003, and even earlier.  You are the one who is coming in at the "tail end" and missing out on all of the historical context.  The reluctance of the WikiMedia sysadmins to touch this issue stems from their experiences being burnt by this in the past.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think we should focus our efforts on cleaning up the problems that everybody agrees are problems -- the mix-and-match articles, and those for which the default format are inappropriate.  That can be done without unlinking, and without pissing people off.  Once that's done, we can revisit the issue of DA.  Does that sound workable?\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWe should probably continue discussion of this on the talk page for the Dates WikiProject, since it has now gone well beyond the scope of this bug report.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_693\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/4du4ek2aiboicdfoxqxd\/PHID-FILE-aqlbmdp7x36y4nqsghlb\/profile-Me-Portrait-Illustration-Maker.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Jc3s5h\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90550\" id=\"90550\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_692\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jc3s5h\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_114\"\u003eJc3s5h\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90550\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_691\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eSep 5 2008, 5:08 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-09-05 17:08:56 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_689\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_690\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_115\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eRequirement:\u003cbr \/\u003e\nConsidering that \u003ca href=\"http:\/\/meta.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/Help:Date_formatting_and_linking\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttp:\/\/meta.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/Help:Date_formatting_and_linking\u003c\/a\u003e seems to be an official statement that the all-numeric date\/time format for the wikimedia software is ISO 8601, and\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eConsidering that section 4.1.2.1 of ISO 8601:2000 provides\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"text\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003ecalendar year is, unless specified otherwise, represented\nby four digits. Calendar years are numbered in\nascending order according to the Gregorian calendar\nby values in the range [0000] to [9999]. Values in\nthe range [0000] through [1582] shall only be used\nby mutual agreement of the partners in information\ninterchange.\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eConsidering that the partners in information in interchange for Wikipedias in various languages are the editors and the readers, and it is not feasible to reach a mutual agreement amongst the readers and editors to use years with 5 or more digits, or to use years in the range [0000] through [1582],\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTherefore, let y be the year. The autoformatting software shall only act upon dates that meet the requirement 1583<= y <= 9999 an none others.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_702\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90552\" id=\"90552\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_701\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_116\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90552\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_700\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eSep 5 2008, 5:22 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-09-05 17:22:35 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_698\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_699\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_117\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ebillclark\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e"The autoformatting software shall only act upon dates that meet the requirement 1583<= y <= 9999 an none others."\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNo, that's too confusing.  Just remove references to ISO 8601 in the documentation, since the vast majority of readers don't understand the implications of Gregorian\/Julian calendar choice anyway.  Formatting dates as YYYY-MM-DD has a long tradition independent of ISO, and most readers assume "1008-03-15" and "15 March, 1008" are the same date.  Prohibiting the first format isn't going to make things any better, because most people will still assume that "15 March, 1008" occurred exactly 1000 years prior to "15 March, 2008" anyway.  Despite what ISO 8601 says, most readers do not assume that the choice of date format has any implication with regards to the calendar being used.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_711\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/4du4ek2aiboicdfoxqxd\/PHID-FILE-aqlbmdp7x36y4nqsghlb\/profile-Me-Portrait-Illustration-Maker.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Jc3s5h\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90571\" id=\"90571\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_710\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jc3s5h\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_118\"\u003eJc3s5h\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90571\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_709\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eSep 5 2008, 5:43 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-09-05 17:43:13 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_707\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_708\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_119\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI should have narrowed my last sentence above to say:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTherefore, let y be the year. The autoformatting software shall not transform a date into or out of the ISO 8601 format unless 1583 <= y <= 9999.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI disbelieve that there is a long tradition of the format YYYY-MM-DD independent of ISO.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhat is the proper forum to see binding arbitration?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_720\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90589\" id=\"90589\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_719\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_120\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90589\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_718\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eSep 5 2008, 6:41 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-09-05 18:41:08 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_716\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_717\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_121\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ecyp\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phabricator-remarkup-mention-unknown\"\u003e@Gerry\u003c\/span\u003e, nothing would be accomplished by such a restriction. There is no actual date manipulation behind the scenes, so a date that says 1500-01-01 will still come out January 1, 1500. That is to say, the choice of calendar\/prolepsis lie with the person specifying the 1500-01-01 to begin with.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAlso, ISO mandates that all year values must be at least 4 digits long, so effectively "0009-10-11" is just useful\/useless as "October 11, 9".\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phabricator-remarkup-mention-unknown\"\u003e@Bill\u003c\/span\u003e, re your patch, see comment #61.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_729\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90595\" id=\"90595\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_728\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_122\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90595\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_727\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eSep 5 2008, 6:54 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-09-05 18:54:52 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_725\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_726\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_123\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ebillclark\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSimpler patch, just eliminates links\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThis is a simpler patch that preserves the normal functioning of autoformatting (dates must be linked to be autoformatted) but renders the dates WITHOUT LINKS.  If you want to link to a date, you can use the [[:11 September]] style (similar to how categories work) although that will not autoformat.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eAttached\u003c\/strong\u003e: \u003cdiv href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ygausqpfp7km2bdvmatg\/PHID-FILE-r7gjzv4pwlm3dlkgj5z5\/diff.txt\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-link \" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_4\" data-mustcapture=\"1\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-file-text-o phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-icon\" data-meta=\"0_5\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-info-block\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-name\"\u003ediff.txt\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-info\"\u003e988 B\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-download\" href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/download\/ygausqpfp7km2bdvmatg\/PHID-FILE-r7gjzv4pwlm3dlkgj5z5\/diff.txt\"\u003eDownload\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_738\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90605\" id=\"90605\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_737\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_124\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90605\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_736\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eSep 5 2008, 7:07 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-09-05 19:07:54 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_734\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_735\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_125\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003esmccandlish\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBill, that patch doesn't solve any of the relevant problems and will probably just compound them.  There is no point in having an autoformatting function that only works some of the time, and having link syntax overloaded to NOT LINK is going to confuse the heck out of a lot of editors.  The functions need to be completely decoupled. The fact that a very large number of dates will remain linked and not be autoformatted for some time is just something we'll have to live with for the short term, and bots can clean up most of it.  If someone wants to autoformat a date, there needs to be another syntax entirely for doing so, that can be used with intentional linking of dates in the rare cases where this is actually a good idea; the specifics don't matter too much to anyone, on either side, I don't think.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_747\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90610\" id=\"90610\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_746\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_126\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90610\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_745\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eSep 5 2008, 7:19 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-09-05 19:19:08 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_743\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_744\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_127\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ebillclark\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe patch solves the problem of overlinking.  The syntax is exactly the same as with categories, and should be no more confusing than adding a page to a category vs. linking to a category.  It preserves the requirement that dates be specially marked up in order to be autoformatted.  The only drawback to the patch is that it won't preserve links to dates that were intentionally linked but not specially formatted (either with a ":" or a "|") but since some editors are currently mass-unlinking articles without regard to the intentions of the original editors anyway, this patch is actually less disruptive than those activities.  I agree that a special syntax for dates would be preferable, but that would require changes to articles whereas this patch solves the biggest problem most people have with date autoformatting (overlinking) while requiring absolutely no changes to article text, except in those cases where a date was intentionally linked (which critics of date autoformatting are already disregarding anyway.)\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_756\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/4du4ek2aiboicdfoxqxd\/PHID-FILE-aqlbmdp7x36y4nqsghlb\/profile-Me-Portrait-Illustration-Maker.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Jc3s5h\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90615\" id=\"90615\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_755\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jc3s5h\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_128\"\u003eJc3s5h\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90615\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_754\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eSep 5 2008, 7:24 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-09-05 19:24:09 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_752\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_753\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_129\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eCypsy: That which cannot be done correctly should not be done at all. If the software cannot operate differently depending on the value of the year, any input date in the ISO 8601 format should be output with no changes, and the possibility of displaying dates in the ISO 8601 format should be removed altogether. This would leave the system to only reformat dates that contain a spelled-out month.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_765\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90619\" id=\"90619\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_764\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_130\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90619\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_763\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eSep 5 2008, 7:31 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-09-05 19:31:51 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_761\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_762\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_131\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003esmccandlish\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eComment to Bill: No denigration of the tech work is intended on my part.  It is also cool to have a WikiProject for cleaning up the date mess at en.wikipedia.  WRT you and Tony:  That date issues have arisen as early as 2003 doesn't make the concerns raised by later editors invalid, and characterizing Tony as basically a noob on the issue doesn't fly, since MOS has been discussing this, and begging for a fix, for years, with Tony as a major participant.  So, rather than grouching at each other (Tony, this means you too!), focusing on fixing the problem at its source seems likely to be much more productive. :-)  That said, I don't have any objection to the new patch, on further thought, though I think it doesn't go far enough, and that having no connection between the link and autoformatting functions, by using separate syntaxes, should remain a goal.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_774\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90629\" id=\"90629\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_773\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_132\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90629\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_772\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eSep 10 2008, 11:15 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-09-10 23:15:51 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_770\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_771\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_133\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ebillclark\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eEliminates links, leaves date format untouched\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThis patch will cause linked dates to be rendered without the link, and in the same format as they appear in the wikicode (although it will add missing commas where appropriate) -- in other words, this patch completely nullifies date autoformatting.  It is only intended for testing purposes, pending community approval of a proposal to temporarily disable date autoformatting to gauge editor response.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eAttached\u003c\/strong\u003e: \u003cdiv href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/esc2c6sl4i5otfsrc3rz\/PHID-FILE-fsvkbtvqz4vu4ojnvzni\/diff.txt\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\" class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-link \" data-sigil=\"lightboxable\" data-meta=\"0_6\" data-mustcapture=\"1\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-file-text-o phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-icon\" data-meta=\"0_7\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-info-block\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-name\"\u003ediff.txt\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-info\"\u003e2 KB\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca class=\"phabricator-remarkup-embed-layout-download\" href=\"https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/download\/esc2c6sl4i5otfsrc3rz\/PHID-FILE-fsvkbtvqz4vu4ojnvzni\/diff.txt\"\u003eDownload\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_783\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/res\/phabricator\/e132bb6a\/rsrc\/image\/avatar.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90644\" id=\"90644\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_782\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_134\"\u003eTony1\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90644\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_781\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eSep 11 2008, 2:08 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-09-11 02:08:57 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_779\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_780\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_135\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eYes, and it will leave us with the maintenance problem: when WP's editors don't see the raw formatting in their display mode, they don't fix errors, they introduce NEW errors, and wrong global choices of formatting are left that way for years. The whole idea was hair-brained in the beginning.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_792\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ddclmqikwq7jtqz4vqd4\/PHID-FILE-c3uvwdyvin5knembes4v\/alphanumeric_aleo-white_S.png-_868e67-255%2C255%2C255%2C0.7.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/SalixAlba\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90650\" id=\"90650\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_791\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/SalixAlba\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_136\"\u003eSalixAlba\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90650\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_790\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 23 2008, 11:44 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-23 23:44:23 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_788\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_789\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_137\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eIs there any action on this bug. en.wikipedia is in quite a state of limbo at the moment. Some bots are going round delinking dates, and changing them to  ISO 8601 format which renders poorly for IP users. No one seems to really know what we should be doing and it all seems to hinge on resolution of this bug. \u003cbr \/\u003e\nSee \u003ca href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Template_talk:Citation#.22Wiki-magic.22.3F\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Template_talk:Citation#.22Wiki-magic.22.3F\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Wikipedia_talk:Citation_templates#De-linking_dates\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Wikipedia_talk:Citation_templates#De-linking_dates\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_801\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/res\/phabricator\/e132bb6a\/rsrc\/image\/avatar.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90653\" id=\"90653\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_800\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_138\"\u003eTony1\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90653\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_799\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 24 2008, 2:03 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-24 02:03:32 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_797\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_798\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_139\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eTo declare that the English WP is in "a state of limbo" skews the real state of affairs. It is well-known on this page that, finally, date autoformatting was strongly discouraged at the dates and numbers style guide MOSNUM, back in August. Since since, no surprisingly, there has been much removal of DA by scripts, bots and manually by editors, in what is a widely accepted change for the better.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere are some six disadvantages in the use of DA, and if anyone is interested, I can link them to a list and explanation. WP has moved on from what was its foolish adoption of a toy that would never work for readers\u2014only for editors at WP. It has led to very poor management of date formatting, since editors can't see what their readers see (in display mode).\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt is untrue to say that the removal of DA is rendering dates in ISO. ISO dates are not supposed to be used in running prose (but is, contrary to long-established rules), but some editors are keen to retain it as the display of a few of the citation templates in the reference sections at the bottom of articles. There was absolutely no reason to link ISO dates, and they are steadily being delinked.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI suggest that this page be closed, since a solution is no longer relevant.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTony\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_810\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90656\" id=\"90656\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_809\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_140\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90656\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_808\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 24 2008, 7:13 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-24 07:13:28 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_806\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_807\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_141\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003es.r.e.turner\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI disagree. I know you (Tony) have now got your preferred solution after years of campaigning -- and I've come round to the view that it's the best solution given the current abilities of the code -- but I still think that it would be valuable to be able to autoformat dates without linking them, and conversely.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_819\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/res\/phabricator\/e132bb6a\/rsrc\/image\/avatar.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90659\" id=\"90659\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_818\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Tony1\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_142\"\u003eTony1\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90659\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_817\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 24 2008, 8:04 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-24 08:04:20 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_815\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_816\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_143\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eSo it's *your* preferred solution, too ... and that of a huge number of others\u2014in fact, all but a tiny minority of hard-line WPians who haven't yet put a good case. I need to dispel this implication that it's *my* solution, as though I'm an autocrat.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe issue is, in fact, much wider than the simple decoupling of linking and date-autoformatting functions as proposed here; among the other pressing reasons is the in-house nature of DA (our readers don't see it, so it's rather indulgent), and the fact that it prevents WPians from maintaining date formats properly (they're in a bad state).\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo I'm unsure which part of my post above that you "disagree" with. I don't wish to start a long debate about it here, though.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_828\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90666\" id=\"90666\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_827\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_144\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90666\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_826\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 24 2008, 10:03 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-24 10:03:45 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_824\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_825\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_145\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003es.r.e.turner\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt's not my preferred solution. It's my preferred policy given the current code. I still think the code leads to a suboptimal policy.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_837\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90681\" id=\"90681\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_836\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_146\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90681\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_835\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 24 2008, 1:17 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-24 13:17:51 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_833\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_834\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_147\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003esmccandlish\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eConcur with Tony: This is not "his" issue, it is the issue of a large number of editors, including the majority of the MOS regulars. The "sea of blue" problem caused by the overloading of linking and autoformatting of dates is one that the resolution of which seems to have very few critics (while a handful of them are exceedingly vocal about it, being loud and incessant doesn't a better argument make).\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI can also see Stephen's point that there could be some use for a date autoformatting function that did not operator-overload the linking function, but want to reiterate Tony's caution that use of it on Wikipedia by editors will lead to date messes in articles - if editors are not seeing what the non-logged-in reader sees, then errors and inconsistencies are guaranteed.  That is, it may be useful for MediaWiki, as a software package, to offer this functionality, but it is generally NOT useful to have it available at Wikipedia or other Wikimedia Foundation sites, which have high standards of "product" quality for the end-user reader.  Just because a function or plug-in for MW exists does not mean that it has to be used at WP.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_846\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90689\" id=\"90689\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_845\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_148\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90689\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_844\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 24 2008, 4:20 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-24 16:20:36 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_842\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_843\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_149\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ebillclark\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOh thank heavens for this forum, where we're not constrained by the phony politeness of Wikipedia itself, or people crying "personal attack! personal attack!" whenever they get the chance.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTony, you're an idiot who clearly doesn't understand the first thing about technology.  You should just leave Wikipedia for good, and stop annoying people.  At the very least you should drop yourself from replies on this ticket, since you've made it clear you have no interest whatsoever in a solution to the problem outlined here.  Bypassing autoformatting is not the same as fixing it, so your asshole-ish actions of mass delinking aren't actually a "solution" at all.  Go away.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(Please just direct complaints about my venting at Tony directly to me, rather than this list.)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNow, for those here that actually give two shits about autoformatting:  What features would we like to see implemented?  I'm more than happy to develop a patch to implement a solution, if we can all just agree on what it should be.  That is -- and always has been -- the real problem:  Agreeing on the specification.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI recommend we just completely ignore the MOS-nuts who have some sort of vendetta against date links (I think everyone knows who those people are) and proceed with fleshing out a good specification.  This list is probably a better place to do it, because of the ease of communication in this less-restrained forum.  Once a workable solution has been developed, THEN we can propose it at VP or wherever and get approval of a wider range of editors, and then propose it to the core developers.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAfter having spent some time thinking about an improved autoformatting feature, I have the following suggestions:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eUse a completely new markup, something like [[[August 10, 2005]]].  My reasoning is that we could treat dates as a special case of links, so that single brackets go with external links, double brackets go with internal links (and categories), and triple brackets go with autoformatted links -- which we could eventually use for other things such as units of measure or even spelling variations (how nice would it be to have [[[colour]]] display variable spelling of the word for different readers?)\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eAllow preference settings (and possibly the default for non-logged-in-users) to render autoformatted dates WITHOUT links, to prevent complaints about the "sea of blue" for people that are bothered by such things.  Users that prefer to have dates linked could also set that preference, so links would autoformat AND appear as links for those users.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eAdd support for auto-generated timelines.  A timeline would work like a category, so that an article page for a particular date would automatically be populated with links to articles that reference that date, complete with anchor tags to take you to the exact point in the article where the date is mentioned.  The tricky part would be figuring out how the text of the timeline page should appear (since presumably we'd want more than just a link, so something like a cross between a category page and a list page.)\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eUse the browser's locale settings to provide default date formatting for non-logged-in users.  This will guarantee that autoformatted dates will appear in a consistent format throughout the site for ALL users, rather than defaulting to their raw format as they do now (which introduces inconsistency.)\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI think the only way we'll get widespread support for a rewrite of the autoformatting feature is to really improve it, which is why I'm suggesting completely new features like the auto-timelines.  It'll make it more time-consuming to develop this way, but if we can make it really really useful to people then it should be worth it.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e-Bill Clark\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_855\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/4du4ek2aiboicdfoxqxd\/PHID-FILE-aqlbmdp7x36y4nqsghlb\/profile-Me-Portrait-Illustration-Maker.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Jc3s5h\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90704\" id=\"90704\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_854\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jc3s5h\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_150\"\u003eJc3s5h\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90704\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_853\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 24 2008, 5:18 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-24 17:18:46 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_851\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_852\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_151\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eThe first requirement is that it be written by someone other than Bill Clark,\u003cbr \/\u003e\nbecause his response to input he does not like is to castigate the person who\u003cbr \/\u003e\nprovided input rather than think about the input.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe second requirement is to avoid confounding the concepts of a date that\u003cbr \/\u003e\nis mentioned in an article with a date that is relevant in an article. For\u003cbr \/\u003e\nexample, "Professor Jones found a carved stone on January 1, 1970*, which says\u003cbr \/\u003e\nthat Clamipiter died on February 14, 82". Clearly a timeline about Clamipiter should\u003cbr \/\u003e\ninclude February 14, 82 Julian calendar, and exclude January 1, 1970, Gregorian\u003cbr \/\u003e\ncalendar. For a hugh pool of dates that have little or no relevance to the topic\u003cbr \/\u003e\nof an article, see the citations in any article.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e*All dates within this comment are in the Gregorian calendar for dates on\u003cbr \/\u003e\nor after 15 October 1582, and the Julian calendar before that date.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e-Gerry Ashton\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_864\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90712\" id=\"90712\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_863\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_152\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90712\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_862\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 24 2008, 5:43 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-24 17:43:12 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_860\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_861\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_153\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003esmccandlish\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe proposed features sound good to me (as does linking being off by default). I think that the autoformatting should also be off by default (at least on WP; I don't care what new installations of MW do) for the reason already identified, that editors with this feature turned on are generally blind to date formatting inconsistencies in the articles they are editing, unless they are paying a whole lot of attention, which is rarely the case.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_873\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90719\" id=\"90719\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_872\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_154\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90719\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_871\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 24 2008, 5:45 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-24 17:45:54 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_869\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_870\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_155\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003esmccandlish\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(Re: Gerry's 2 technical issues, there's a third one: Dates that appear in quotations. These should never be autoformatted, as this will alter the quoted material (in most cases) before it reaches the reader.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_882\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/4du4ek2aiboicdfoxqxd\/PHID-FILE-aqlbmdp7x36y4nqsghlb\/profile-Me-Portrait-Illustration-Maker.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Jc3s5h\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90726\" id=\"90726\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_881\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jc3s5h\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_156\"\u003eJc3s5h\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90726\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_880\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 24 2008, 6:01 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-24 18:01:29 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_878\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_879\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_157\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eFourth technical issue: autoformatted dates should provide a pleasing appearance\u003cbr \/\u003e\nwhen there is an era indicator. An example if an off-the-cuff solution were\u003cbr \/\u003e\nattempted is given below.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWikitext before processing:\u003cbr \/\u003e\n"According to the Wikipedia article "Julian calendar", which was last edited\u003cbr \/\u003e\n[[[23 October 2008]]], AD 8 was a leap year; therefore 29 February AD 8 existed."\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe second date is not marked up, because an off-the-cuff solution does not provide\u003cbr \/\u003e\nfor era indication. When this is presented to someone who prefers American dates it\u003cbr \/\u003e\nwill read:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e"According to the Wikipedia article "Julian calendar", which was last edited\u003cbr \/\u003e\nOctober 23, 2008, AD 8 was a leap year; therefore 29 February AD 8 existed."\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThis of course creates a style clash.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_891\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90733\" id=\"90733\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_890\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_158\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90733\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_889\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 24 2008, 6:56 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-24 18:56:58 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_887\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_888\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_159\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ebillclark\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eI think that the autoformatting should also be off by default\u003cbr \/\u003e\n(at least on WP; I don't care what new installations of MW do)\u003cbr \/\u003e\nfor the reason already identified, that editors with this feature\u003cbr \/\u003e\nturned on are generally blind to date formatting inconsistencies\u003cbr \/\u003e\nin the articles they are editing, unless they are paying a whole\u003cbr \/\u003e\nlot of attention, which is rarely the case.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNo, it should be ON by default, because that eliminates the entire problem\u003cbr \/\u003e\nwith inconsistencies.  All dates (other than those in quotes) will be\u003cbr \/\u003e\nmarked up with the new syntax, so they will all be displayed in the same\u003cbr \/\u003e\nformat.  For users that haven't set a preference (or aren't logged in)\u003cbr \/\u003e\nsome other method should be used to determine the format to use, such as\u003cbr \/\u003e\nthe locale setting from their browser.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe current problem with inconsistency stems from the fact that\u003cbr \/\u003e\nautoformatting is turned off for non-logged-in users, and so they see the\u003cbr \/\u003e\nraw date format, which might be inconsistent.  If autoformatting was\u003cbr \/\u003e\nautomatically turned on by default for ALL users, there would never be any\u003cbr \/\u003e\ninconsistency in display.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e-Bill Clark\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_900\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90739\" id=\"90739\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_899\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_160\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90739\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_898\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 24 2008, 7:06 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-24 19:06:05 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_896\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_897\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_161\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ebillclark\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #166)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003e(Re: Gerry's 2 technical issues, there's a third one: Dates that appear in\u003cbr \/\u003e\nquotations. These should never be autoformatted, as this will alter the quoted\u003cbr \/\u003e\nmaterial (in most cases) before it reaches the reader.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere's no way to identify these automatically, since there are any number of ways that people include quotations.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIt's also a completely unnecessary concern; Dates in quotes simply shouldn't be marked up, and if they're not marked up (i.e. put in triple-brackets) then they won't be autoformatted.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe same would apply for anything we want to use the triple-brackets for in the future, such as spelling variations or unit conversions.  A quote containing the word "colour" should always read "colour" and never "color" so it should never be marked up as [[[colour]]] in the wikitext.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo that's really an editor issue, not a technical one.  And it's already covered.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e-Bill Clark\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_909\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90744\" id=\"90744\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_908\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_162\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90744\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_907\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 24 2008, 7:10 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-24 19:10:38 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_905\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_906\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_163\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ebillclark\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #164)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eThe first requirement is that it be written by someone other than Bill Clark,\u003cbr \/\u003e\nbecause his response to input he does not like is to castigate the person who\u003cbr \/\u003e\nprovided input rather than think about the input.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e<<plonk!>>\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI understand your concerns (and Tony's) and if you actually read anything I wrote, you'd realize that.  You're just an idiot, and THAT'S why I castigate you.  Fortunately I can be free to speak my mind about what a dumb-ass you are, here.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNow you too should go away, since your points are trivial to take into account and your constant harping on Gregorian vs. Julian calendar is really tiring.  Yes, we understand.  Yes, era and calendar -awareness will be built into a new system.  Now shut up and let us work.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e-Bill Clark\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_918\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90754\" id=\"90754\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_917\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_164\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90754\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_916\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 24 2008, 7:15 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-24 19:15:00 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_914\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_915\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_165\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003esmccandlish\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBill:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eQuotations: Okay, that makes sense. I think I simply misunderstood you the\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003efirst time around as suggesting that locale info be used to auto-format dates,\u003cbr \/\u003e\nregardless of markup, and that clearly doesn't seem to be the proposal.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eDefault to ON, use locale info for non-logged-in users: If\/when there is a\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003esolution for non-logged-in users, then I will concur with you completely, so\u003cbr \/\u003e\nlong as it really is across-the-board -- something consistent needs to happen\u003cbr \/\u003e\nfor non-logged-in users for whom no locale settings can be determined.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_927\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90763\" id=\"90763\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_926\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_166\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90763\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_925\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 24 2008, 7:32 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-24 19:32:42 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_923\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_924\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_167\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ebillclark\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #171)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eQuotations: Okay, that makes sense. I think I simply misunderstood you the\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003efirst time around as suggesting that locale info be used to auto-format dates,\u003cbr \/\u003e\nregardless of markup, and that clearly doesn't seem to be the proposal.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNo problem.  I probably wasn't being clear enough, because there was a PREVIOIUS patch I submitted that WOULD have caused "naked" dates (i.e. not marked up at all) to be autoformatted.  But you're correct that in the latest proposal only marked-up dates would be autoformatted.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eDefault to ON, use locale info for non-logged-in users: If\/when there is a\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003esolution for non-logged-in users, then I will concur with you completely, so\u003cbr \/\u003e\nlong as it really is across-the-board -- something consistent needs to happen\u003cbr \/\u003e\nfor non-logged-in users for whom no locale settings can be determined.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAll (major) browsers send locale information, so that should never be an issue.  For the tiny fraction of readers that use some exotic browser, I think defaulting to international format should be fine.  (NOTE: I actually don't know of a single browser that doesn't send locale information, but I'm leaving open the possibility that some exists somewhere.)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOne source of complaint might be that not all readers will have the "correct" locale setting in their browser.  For instance, it's possible that somebody in the UK might have a browser that's mistakenly set for en-US for some reason, and in that case they would see American-style date formats when they wouldn't be expecting it.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHowever, I think that using the locale setting is preferable to using IP addresses (the other serious alternative) because:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ea) Users have control over their locale settings, whereas they have little to no control over their IP address (this is an issue for Europeans living in America or vice-versa, since they'd otherwise have no way of overriding an IP-derived default format.)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eb) It's much less work on the servers to check the locale setting (actually the "Accept-language" header) than to do lookups on IP addresses -- although we could do ROUGH mapping of IP addresses fairly efficiently, if it came down to it.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e-Bill Clark\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_936\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90768\" id=\"90768\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_935\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_168\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90768\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_934\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 24 2008, 7:51 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-24 19:51:05 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_932\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_933\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_169\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003esmccandlish\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eFor the tiny fraction of readers that use some exotic browser, I think\u003cbr \/\u003e\ndefaulting to international format should be fine.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRight.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eOne source of complaint might be that not all readers will have the "correct"\u003cbr \/\u003e\nlocale setting in their browser.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNot our problem; we cannot account for every possible operator error. Using the locale info should work just fine in most cases, and it's not like the few rare cases of incorrect settings will generate something unintelligible.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eHowever, I think that using the locale setting is preferable to using IP\u003cbr \/\u003e\naddresses (the other serious alternative)\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAgreed.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_945\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90772\" id=\"90772\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_944\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_170\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90772\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_943\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 24 2008, 8:02 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-24 20:02:07 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_941\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_942\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_171\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ebillclark\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOkay, since Tony has now started reposting my comments from here on Wikipedia itself, I'm no longer going to write anything here.  If you want to email me directly to discuss this, please feel free to do so (billclark@berkeley.edu) although at this point I think there is enough information (including stuff from the ticket history) to start working on a first pass.  Thanks for all the useful feedback (especially S. McCandlish.)  -Bill\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_954\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90781\" id=\"90781\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_953\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_172\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90781\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_952\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 24 2008, 8:06 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-24 20:06:52 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_950\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_951\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_173\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ecyp\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(edit collision)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAn alternative suggestion:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eUsing patch #3 (comment  #155 ) as a base...\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e#1:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"text\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003eInstead of \n   $this->mTarget = $i;\nsimply do \n   $this->mTarget = '<span class="someclass">' + $i + '<\/span>';\nAnd so leave the post-processing to the wiki (client) side, \ne.g for meta-data handling or Javascript handling or whatever.\n(JS is already available btw, it would only need to be made site-wide).\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e#2:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"text\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003eFor ISO dates \/and only for those\/, convert the date to something \nhuman-friendly. In the absence of a user pref for guidance, look for \n"magic" to decide what to convert to. "Magic" being (for example) a \nnew Wikimedia magic word, or inclusion in a category, or some (dummy) \ntemplate that is being transcluded.\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe timeline is a really cool idea. It would also emphasize the (ir)relevance \u003cbr \/\u003e\nof a linked date.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/S\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_8\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-dot phui-tag-color-violet\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e@S\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e. McCandlish: A user's locale settings are not known to servers unless\u003cbr \/\u003e\nthese were to be inferred using Javascript and then transmitted by cookie. \u003cbr \/\u003e\nBut if using Javascript to infer locale then we might as well do the whole \u003cbr \/\u003e\ndate rewriting stuff in Javascript too.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_963\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90787\" id=\"90787\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_962\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_174\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90787\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_961\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 24 2008, 8:18 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-24 20:18:36 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_959\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_960\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_175\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ecyp\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eRe: browser locale being transmitted. I forgot about Accept-Language.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhats transmitted for US usage is "en-us" plus some other stuff:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"text\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003eAccept-Language:  \ten-us,en;q=0.5\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e"en-us" would be enough to rule out "24 October 2008" usage. \u003cbr \/\u003e\nSo everyone else gets "24 October 2008". Indeed easy.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_972\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90792\" id=\"90792\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_971\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_176\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90792\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_970\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 24 2008, 8:50 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-24 20:50:40 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_968\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_969\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_177\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eSiegel\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #163)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e<snip>\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eWhat\u003cbr \/\u003e\nfeatures would we like to see implemented?  I'm more than happy to develop a\u003cbr \/\u003e\npatch to implement a solution, if we can all just agree on what it should be. \u003cbr \/\u003e\nThat is -- and always has been -- the real problem:  Agreeing on the\u003cbr \/\u003e\nspecification.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAs the original poster of this bug, what I would like, and have always wanted, is syntax that would autoformat a date, WITHOUT linking it. If the editor wants it linked, thy can put in a link, and enclose the new syntax in the piped porion. If a link is not wanted, none need be coded.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAutoformatting and linking are two quite separate operations, why retain the association between thm that has been the source of much trouble?\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eI recommend we just completely ignore the MOS-nuts who have some sort of\u003cbr \/\u003e\nvendetta against date links (I think everyone knows who those people are) and\u003cbr \/\u003e\nproceed with fleshing out a good specification.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI don't think i am an MOS nut, but i do think that date links are wildly overused on wikipedia. I also think that many instalations of MediaWiki software exiost that are not wikipedia, and do not routinely have articles on dates. on such wikis, links to dates are almost never useful, when inserted for the sake of autoformatting, they are red-links.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e<snip>\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eI have the following suggestions:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eUse a completely new markup, something like [[[August 10, 2005]]].  My\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ereasoning is that we could treat dates as a special case of links, so that\u003cbr \/\u003e\nsingle brackets go with external links, double brackets go with internal links\u003cbr \/\u003e\n(and categories), and triple brackets go with autoformatted links -- which we\u003cbr \/\u003e\ncould eventually use for other things such as units of measure or even spelling\u003cbr \/\u003e\nvariations (how nice would it be to have [[[colour]]] display variable spelling\u003cbr \/\u003e\nof the word for different readers?)\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMy preferce would be to use <<August 10, 2005>> or even <date>August 10, 2005<\/date>, to make it clear that this syntax is in no way conencted with linking.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eAllow preference settings (and possibly the default for non-logged-in-users)\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eto render autoformatted dates WITHOUT links, to prevent complaints about the\u003cbr \/\u003e\n"sea of blue" for people that are bothered by such things.  Users that prefer\u003cbr \/\u003e\nto have dates linked could also set that preference, so links would autoformat\u003cbr \/\u003e\nAND appear as links for those users.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThis is where i most strongly disagree, it preserves the confusing idea that every autofomatted date is in some sense a link, even if the link dispaly is supressed for soem (most) users. Why do this? Simply separate the functions, and an editor can specify either autoformatting or a link, or both, as may suit the neeeds of the particular article and the wiki on which it exists.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eAdd support for auto-generated timelines.  A timeline would work like a\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ecategory, so that an article page for a particular date would automatically be\u003cbr \/\u003e\npopulated with links to articles that reference that date, complete with anchor\u003cbr \/\u003e\ntags to take you to the exact point in the article where the date is mentioned.\u003cbr \/\u003e\n The tricky part would be figuring out how the text of the timeline page should\u003cbr \/\u003e\nappear (since presumably we'd want more than just a link, so something like a\u003cbr \/\u003e\ncross between a category page and a list page.)\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThis is a much larger scope than the siample provision of autoformatting without linking, although it might be useful in its own right.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eUse the browser's locale settings to provide default date formatting for\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003enon-logged-in users.  This will guarantee that autoformatted dates will appear\u003cbr \/\u003e\nin a consistent format throughout the site for ALL users, rather than\u003cbr \/\u003e\ndefaulting to their raw format as they do now (which introduces inconsistency.)\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThis I agree with.\u003cbr \/\u003e\n-David E. Siuegel\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_981\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90801\" id=\"90801\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_980\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_178\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90801\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_979\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 24 2008, 9:06 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-24 21:06:48 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_977\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_978\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_179\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003esmccandlish\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere ARE a few other places that use US formatting, though.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_990\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90815\" id=\"90815\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_989\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_180\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90815\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_988\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 24 2008, 9:13 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-24 21:13:14 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_986\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_987\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_181\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003esmccandlish\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eMy preferce would be to use <<August 10, 2005>> or even <date>August 10,\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e2005<\/date>, to make it clear that this syntax is in no way conencted with\u003cbr \/\u003e\nlinking.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe <date>...<\/date> idea makes sense, in that it is self-explanatory, but may be too long-winded for people to adopt it. The <<...>> idea might work better.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_999\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90821\" id=\"90821\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_998\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_182\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90821\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_997\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 24 2008, 11:40 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-24 23:40:23 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_995\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_996\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_183\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ecyp\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #178)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eThere ARE a few other places that use US formatting, though.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYes there are, but can they be identified with 'Accept-Language'?\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #179)\u003cbr \/\u003e\na) <<...>> or <date>...<\/date> do not fix the problems with the existing\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"text\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003esyntax. The articles would still be awash in seas of blue.\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eb) the existing syntax it is very well entrenched. Indeed, it is probably\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"text\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003etoo well entrenched to dislodge. That is, editors are probably going to \ncontinue to use the old syntax just out of sheer habit.\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eb) although the overloading of square brackets to reformat dates is really\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"text\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003ejust syntactic sugar, it has the advantage of flattening the \nlearning curve. There is no additional syntax to learn.\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003ed) our (old hand) inclination to identify square brackets with linkage first\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"text\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003eand date parsing second is a conceit. There is no real \/reason\/ to \nenvision things in that order. After all, we don't "link" to images or \n"link" to categories either. When we \/want\/ to link to images or categories \nwe put a ':' before the name. With that we change the default behavior of \nwhatever it is in [[ ]]. There is no reason why this cannot also be true \nfor dates.\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eNow note the order of clauses in the following phrase: "syntax that would autoformat a date, WITHOUT linking it". For that we don't need to invent altogether new syntax. We merely need to \/negate\/ the implied link. Bill's second patch (theoretically described in comment #150) did precisely that:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e[[:date]] for dates that should be linked, and [[date]] for dates that shouldn't be linked.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSuch a thing would require no changes to well established editing habits, nor would it require sending out a bot to rewrite articles. We already use ':' syntax when we want the default behavior of [[ ]] to change for images and categories. This transfers easily to dates.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1008\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90824\" id=\"90824\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1007\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_184\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90824\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1006\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 25 2008, 1:50 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-25 01:50:40 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1004\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1005\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_185\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eSiegel\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #180)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #178)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eThere ARE a few other places that use US formatting, though.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYes there are, but can they be identified with 'Accept-Language'?\u003cbr \/\u003e\n(In reply to comment #179)\u003cbr \/\u003e\na) <<...>> or <date>...<\/date> do not fix the problems with the existing\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"text\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003esyntax. The articles would still be awash in seas of blue.\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThis is true, but I gather that existing areticels are already beign delinked en masse.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eb) the existing syntax it is very well entrenched. Indeed, it is probably\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"text\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003etoo well entrenched to dislodge. That is, editors are probably going to \ncontinue to use the old syntax just out of sheer habit.\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMore deeply entranched habits have been changed on wikipedia in the past, although this one will be a problem. but it will be a problem whatever is done  -- editors with entrenched habits will complain loudly if existing syntx suddenly works differently.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eb) although the overloading of square brackets to reformat dates is really\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"text\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003ejust syntactic sugar, it has the advantage of flattening the \nlearning curve. There is no additional syntax to learn.\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFrankly i think it will be harder to learn to use the colon. That is too subtle, people will miss it. People often fail to sue it when needed, or use it when not needed, in the existign bracket syntaz,\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003ed) our (old hand) inclination to identify square brackets with linkage first\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-code-block\" data-code-lang=\"text\" data-sigil=\"remarkup-code-block\"\u003e\u003cpre class=\"remarkup-code\"\u003eand date parsing second is a conceit. There is no real \/reason\/ to \nenvision things in that order. After all, we don't "link" to images or \n"link" to categories either. When we \/want\/ to link to images or categories \nwe put a ':' before the name. With that we change the default behavior of \nwhatever it is in [[ ]]. There is no reason why this cannot also be true \nfor dates.\u003c\/pre\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe pracket syntax for both images and categories is pretty much invariably described as a "link", albiet one with special properties. Whenever there is overloaded syntax, ther is a choice of how to view it. Peiople usign C++ don't have to think of "+" as additon first and concatenation second, but they do, and will. Linking (in the basic sense) is FAR more commonthan is date-autoformattign, and until now date autoformatting always linked also. We can play Humpty Dumpty ("my words mean whatever I say they mena, neither more nor less") but people won't listen. Bracket syntax will be thoguht of as a link, like it or not. And anyway, WHY use the same syntazx for two quite different functions, whatever you call it.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eNow note the order of clauses in the following phrase: "syntax that would\u003cbr \/\u003e\nautoformat a date, WITHOUT linking it". For that we don't need to invent\u003cbr \/\u003e\naltogether new syntax. We merely need to \/negate\/ the implied link. Bill's\u003cbr \/\u003e\nsecond patch (theoretically described in comment #150) did precisely that: \u003cbr \/\u003e\n[[:date]] for dates that should be linked, and [[date]] for dates that\u003cbr \/\u003e\nshouldn't be linked.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYes that would accomplish that goal. When i first lised this bug, several years ago, i did not think that chnging the meaning of existing syntax by fiat and all at once would be acceptable, and even today I'm not convinced that it is a good idea. But it would acomplish my stated goal.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eSuch a thing would require no changes to well established editing habits, nor\u003cbr \/\u003e\nwould it require sending out a bot to rewrite articles. We already use ':'\u003cbr \/\u003e\nsyntax when we want the default behavior of [[ ]] to change for images and\u003cbr \/\u003e\ncategories. This transfers easily to dates.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI suspect it would not in fact be easy. Moreover, i suspect the effect of changing the redition of existing markup, on many many pages, would be so strongly resisted that the change would never be implemented. I am generally opposed to date-linking, but I find the idea dubious. At least bot-changes are recorded in the history, and can be individually reverted.\u003cbr \/\u003e\n-Daivid E. Siegel\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1017\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90827\" id=\"90827\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1016\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_186\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90827\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1015\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 25 2008, 4:52 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-25 16:52:28 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1013\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1014\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_187\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003esmccandlish\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eour (old hand) inclination to identify square brackets with linkage first \u003cbr \/\u003e\nand date parsing second is a conceit. There is no real \/reason\/ to \u003cbr \/\u003e\nenvision things in that order. After all, we don't "link" to images or \u003cbr \/\u003e\n"link" to categories either. When we \/want\/ to link to images or categories \u003cbr \/\u003e\nwe put a ':' before the name. With that we change the default behavior of \u003cbr \/\u003e\nwhatever it is in [[ ]]. There is no reason why this cannot also be true \u003cbr \/\u003e\nfor dates.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWorks for me.  Someone brought that up earlier, and I'd forgotten.  This would be intuitive and probably easier to implement than an entirely new syntax.  I also really like the idea that it would instantly de-link dates by default the moment Wikipedia installed it.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eLinking (in the basic sense) is FAR more commonthan is\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003edate-autoformattign\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo?  The very commonness of pointlessly linking dates (the "sea of blue" problem) is very much at the heart of the matter.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eWhen i first lised this bug, several years\u003cbr \/\u003e\n ago, i did not think that chnging the meaning of existing syntax by fiat and\u003cbr \/\u003e\n all at once would be acceptable, and even today I'm not convinced that it is a\u003cbr \/\u003e\n good idea. But it would acomplish my stated goal.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe only way to find out is to try it.  I would think that this would be vastly preferable to massively unlinking all dates (there are some bots and individuals doing this, but given literally millions of linked dates no one need panic; they will not just suddenly all disappear).\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eI suspect it would not in fact be easy. Moreover, i suspect the effect of\u003cbr \/\u003e\nchanging the redition of existing markup, on many many pages, would be so\u003cbr \/\u003e\nstrongly resisted that the change would never be implemented.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI don't follow you.  There's already a general consensus that (visible) date linking should mostly stop; there doesn't seem to be any reason to fear any more of a backlash against this particular way of implementing that than against any other method (such as removing [[ and ]] around dates), or against the general proposal to stop linking dates generally.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eAt least bot-changes are\u003cbr \/\u003e\nrecorded in the history, and can be individually reverted\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe [[:DATE]] proposal doesn't have anything to do with editing and history; it's a presentational matter.  What you're arguing seems to be akin to arguing that no changes to the sitewide .css files would be accepted by the community without a massive RFC or VP debate, but (aside from the fact that the debate in this case has already long since occurred more generally) this proves not the be the case at all. The CSS has been radically changed many times without outcry, despite major display alterations in WP's output.  See the histories of the two major CSS files, or for that matter just look at \u003ca href=\"http:\/\/nostalgia.wikipedia.org\/\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttp:\/\/nostalgia.wikipedia.org\/\u003c\/a\u003e, if you don't believe me.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1026\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ddclmqikwq7jtqz4vqd4\/PHID-FILE-c3uvwdyvin5knembes4v\/alphanumeric_aleo-white_S.png-_868e67-255%2C255%2C255%2C0.7.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/SalixAlba\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90835\" id=\"90835\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1025\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/SalixAlba\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_188\"\u003eSalixAlba\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90835\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1024\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 25 2008, 9:01 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-25 21:01:22 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1022\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1023\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_189\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eFollowing up on the <date> idea looking at the html-5 spec there is a time element: \u003ca href=\"http:\/\/www.whatwg.org\/specs\/web-apps\/current-work\/multipage\/text-level-semantics.html#the-time-element\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttp:\/\/www.whatwg.org\/specs\/web-apps\/current-work\/multipage\/text-level-semantics.html#the-time-element\u003c\/a\u003e. This has a syntax like <time datetime="2006-09-23">a Saturday<\/time>, there may be some advantage is using this, which would make future transition to html-5 easier.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eS. McCandlish's argument that editors should see what IP uses see is compelling.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1035\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/4du4ek2aiboicdfoxqxd\/PHID-FILE-aqlbmdp7x36y4nqsghlb\/profile-Me-Portrait-Illustration-Maker.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Jc3s5h\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90845\" id=\"90845\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1034\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jc3s5h\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_190\"\u003eJc3s5h\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90845\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1033\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 26 2008, 12:04 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-26 00:04:53 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1031\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1032\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_191\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eThe interesting document brought to our attention by Richard Morris has this to say about the purpose of the time element:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e"The primary use cases for these elements are for marking up publication dates e.g. in blog entries, and for marking event dates in hCalendar markup. Thus the DOM APIs are likely to be used as ways to generate interactive calendar widgets or some such."\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI don't claim to fully understand the spec, but it seems to say the actual value of the time element is the number of milliseconds since 1970-01-01 00:00 UTC. This is likely to lead to it being poorly suited to describe historical events. In particular, dates are Gregorian, and there is no provision to represent BC years. Also, years must be less than or equal to 9999. The suggested use for the element might mean that the people working on that element would not be interested in making it robust for all historical dates.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSince our use would require some kind of extension, we would probably be better off avoiding creating a tag with the same name but different meaning.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1044\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90857\" id=\"90857\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1043\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_192\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90857\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1042\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 26 2008, 3:32 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-26 15:32:52 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1040\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1041\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_193\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003emasem01\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOne of the problems we are still left with by simply switching the syntax of date autoformatting without linking is what non-logged in users see, which is a huge crux of the argument.  Since this has been determined to be something that needs to be set per-page, defaulting to international format if a page is not specifically tied to a country that uses the US format, that has to be part of a working end solution.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTo me, a simple option altogether is to provide some means of setting a specified date on a per article basis, and then a magic word that determines the date format based on the per-page setting and user pref.  From this, templates can handle the rest, including whether to link or not (Editors have to be mindful of Julian vs Gregorian calendars, and BC\/AD as well when entering dates, there are certain defaults we can make via templates for this, and make sure resulting displays show any flags for such).  Not knowing the code well enough to figure out how to do this, the simplest approach seems to be to\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003col class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eAssume international format as default per-page.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eAllow the magic word \u003cu\u003eDF_US\u003c\/u\u003e (Date Format US) to override this.   A \u003cu\u003eDF_INT\u003c\/u\u003e can be added as well for completeness, but again, we start with the assumption this is default.  Presumably the tag would need to be a non-display element at the start of the article in the same way the TOC is done.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eThe magic word DATEFORMAT returns either "US" or "INT" as to be interpreted by a template.  (If a magic word can't be expanded before template instructures, this could also be a #if-like template function).  This magic word\/function returns the US date format if:\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eThe user is logged in and has US set.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eThe user is not logged in, or has set no preference, and the per-page setting is set to US.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ol\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1053\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90873\" id=\"90873\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1052\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_194\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90873\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1051\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 29 2008, 5:10 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-29 17:10:36 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1049\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1050\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_195\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ecyp\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #185)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eOne of the problems we are still left with by simply switching the syntax of\u003cbr \/\u003e\ndate autoformatting without linking is what non-logged in users see, which is a\u003cbr \/\u003e\nhuge crux of the argument.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThat has been settled; everyone will see whatever 'Accept-Language' suggests they should see.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eSince this has been determined to be something that needs to be set per-page,\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eA) Dateformatting has not in fact been "determined to be something that needs to be set per-page". This is a server-related bug report of a specific Mediawiki extension. This is not en.wikipedia.org. This is also not anything to do with magic words. Date-formatting has been user-oriented as long as server-side date-formatting has existed, and there has been no discussion to change that model, which is also way beyond the scope of this bug report.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eB) Don't put the cart before the horse. If you want that magic word to be supported, you will first have to ensure that that magic word exists. To do that you will need to file a different bug report, or submit a patch for approval etc. *Once* the magic exists adding support for it will not require major changes to dateformatter.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIncidentally, what you are asking for is not going to happen without some thoughtful consideration (elsewhere!) of its ramifications; after all, it will constitute the very first editor-defined content-related magic word, and as such represents a brand-new facility. While there is some precedent for such a thing, CATEGORYSORT and DISPLAYTITLE are not content related. Some thought should also be given to how the facility could be extended\/used in the future, e.g. for ENGVAR (think 'Content-Language') and era, and how bots and browsers may make use of it.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAlso, content-oriented magic is by definition incompatible with user-oriented settings (which date formatting is), and the order of precedence (or getting rid of the user-oriented setting) will either need executive decision or will need to be discussed in open forum (elsewhere!). Good luck.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eYour idea is sound, but the feature you want does not exist yet, and so can't be used here (yet). (BTW: double-underscore magic words are preprocessor commands, not environment variables).\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1062\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90880\" id=\"90880\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1061\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_196\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90880\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1060\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 29 2008, 10:20 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-29 22:20:25 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1058\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1059\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_197\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eSiegel\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #182)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eour (old hand) inclination to identify square brackets with linkage first \u003cbr \/\u003e\nand date parsing second is a conceit. There is no real \/reason\/ to \u003cbr \/\u003e\nenvision things in that order. After all, we don't "link" to images or \u003cbr \/\u003e\n"link" to categories either. When we \/want\/ to link to images or categories \u003cbr \/\u003e\nwe put a ':' before the name. With that we change the default behavior of \u003cbr \/\u003e\nwhatever it is in [[ ]]. There is no reason why this cannot also be true \u003cbr \/\u003e\nfor dates.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWorks for me.  Someone brought that up earlier, and I'd forgotten.  This would\u003cbr \/\u003e\nbe intuitive and probably easier to implement than an entirely new syntax.  I\u003cbr \/\u003e\nalso really like the idea that it would instantly de-link dates by default the\u003cbr \/\u003e\nmoment Wikipedia installed it.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThere is a difference, IMO, between delinking done as an edit, even by a bot, that can be reverted, and all-at-once effective delinking across an entire site. Also, this is a change to the software, which would affect more sites than Wikipedia. Not all those sites will have the same views as the wikipedia community does, perhaps.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eLinking (in the basic sense) is FAR more commonthan is\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003edate-autoformattign\u003cbr \/\u003e\nSo?  The very commonness of pointlessly linking dates (the "sea of blue"\u003cbr \/\u003e\nproblem) is very much at the heart of the matter.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMy point is that most editors consider the [[ syntax to basically mean "link" and that the idea that it actually means any one of several things, depending on context, is not  taken in. Even the category and image uses are spoken of as links. Changign the software so that [[date]] si no longer a link, but [[:date]] is, seems perverse to me, adn likely to be confusing.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eWhen i first lised this bug, several years\u003cbr \/\u003e\n ago, i did not think that chnging the meaning of existing syntax by fiat and\u003cbr \/\u003e\n all at once would be acceptable, and even today I'm not convinced that it is a\u003cbr \/\u003e\n good idea. But it would acomplish my stated goal.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe only way to find out is to try it.  I would think that this would be vastly\u003cbr \/\u003e\npreferable to massively unlinking all dates (there are some bots and\u003cbr \/\u003e\nindividuals doing this, but given literally millions of linked dates no one\u003cbr \/\u003e\nneed panic; they will not just suddenly all disappear).\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eActualy i think tha tthe both method is preferable -- it allows individuals watchign particualr articles to see the change and relink where appropriate, and no one denies that date links are proper in some (if perhaps few) cases. With a sudden site-wide change, the burden is shifted to thsoe wishing to maintain the status quo, whch seems mistaken to me.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eI suspect it would not in fact be easy. Moreover, i suspect the effect of\u003cbr \/\u003e\nchanging the redition of existing markup, on many many pages, would be so\u003cbr \/\u003e\nstrongly resisted that the change would never be implemented.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI don't follow you.  There's already a general consensus that (visible) date\u003cbr \/\u003e\nlinking should mostly stop; there doesn't seem to be any reason to fear any\u003cbr \/\u003e\nmore of a backlash against this particular way of implementing that than\u003cbr \/\u003e\nagainst any other method (such as removing [[ and ]] around dates), or against\u003cbr \/\u003e\nthe general proposal to stop linking dates generally.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eAt least bot-changes are\u003cbr \/\u003e\nrecorded in the history, and can be individually reverted\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe [[:DATE]] proposal doesn't have anything to do with editing and history;\u003cbr \/\u003e\nit's a presentational matter.  What you're arguing seems to be akin to arguing\u003cbr \/\u003e\nthat no changes to the sitewide .css files would be accepted by the community\u003cbr \/\u003e\nwithout a massive RFC or VP debate, but (aside from the fact that the debate in\u003cbr \/\u003e\nthis case has already long since occurred more generally) this proves not the\u003cbr \/\u003e\nbe the case at all. The CSS has been radically changed many times without\u003cbr \/\u003e\noutcry, despite major display alterations in WP's output.  See the histories of\u003cbr \/\u003e\nthe two major CSS files, or for that matter just look at\u003cbr \/\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"http:\/\/nostalgia.wikipedia.org\/\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttp:\/\/nostalgia.wikipedia.org\/\u003c\/a\u003e, if you don't believe me.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHave any such changes in "presentation" changed things so that what was a link before was not a link afterwards? if not, then i don't think they are relevant. There is IMO a diffrence in kind, not just in degree, between changing color or text style or even layout, and changing from linked to non-linked.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMorever, this change, if made, will be MORE than site-wide. No change to site level css files changes things for every wiki using the media-wiki software, but this change would do that.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e-DES\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1071\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90885\" id=\"90885\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1070\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_198\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90885\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1069\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 30 2008, 12:30 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-30 00:30:34 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1067\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1068\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_199\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003esmccandlish\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eKeep it simple.  The plan as currently outlined makes sense.  There is no "shift in burden"; there simply *won't be* a burden any longer.  Cannot agree that "'[[..]]' means 'link'"; it *usually* means "link", but it also means "inline an image" or "add a category", and Wikipedians and other users of MW understand this just fine.  Adding another variant isn't going to cause any heads to asplode.  The great benefit of doing it the [[:...]] way is that the bots that are ticking people off can just STOP, as can manual de-linking sprees, and in any (rare) case where a date should be linked all it takes is the addition of a single character to make it happen.  Enough kvetching; let's just do this and move forward.  PS: There's nothing "sudden" about any of this; the matter's been debated (at WP; other wikis, WMF or not, have not seemed to care one way or the other, judging by the lack of their commentary here) for *years* and come out strongly in favor of de-linking of dates.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1080\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90889\" id=\"90889\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1079\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_200\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90889\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1078\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 30 2008, 3:09 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-30 15:09:52 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1076\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1077\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_201\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ebillclark\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOne advantage to using a new markup (e.g. [[[30 October, 2008]]] or <<30 October, 2008>>) as opposed to the existing markup ([[30 October, 2008]]) is that a new markup would improve the efficiency of the parser function with regards to matching date formats.  That in turn would allow us to greatly expand the number of patterns that can be matched, so that dates in a variety of other formats could be recognized (e.g. 10\/30\/2008, October 30th 2008, Oct. 30, etc.)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAs currently implemented, the date parsing code is first run against the entire page text, and checks the contents of each [[foo]] item to see if "foo" matches a known date format.  That means that each wikilink in a page will be checked against each and every date format, which is inefficient.  If a new -- UNIQUE -- markup is used, then ONLY dates will match the markup pattern, and so the "inside" portion can be matched against pretty much as many different date format patterns as we like, without a significant  performance hit.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e-Bill Clark\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1089\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90893\" id=\"90893\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1088\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_202\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90893\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1087\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 30 2008, 7:58 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-30 19:58:32 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1085\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1086\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_203\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ecyp\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBill,...\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eA) using a new markup may (\/may\/, see below) be an advantage vis-a-vis the current scheme, but *not* using a new markup is also *not* a disadvantage vis-a-vis the current scheme.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eB) if I'm reading your "allow us to greatly expand the number of patterns" correctly, you envision that [[October 30th 2008]], [[Oct. 30]] etc would be individually regex matched, i.e. using a separate rule for each possible variation. But there are only six primitive regexes, no more than DateFormatter's present set of eight. So, if your version stuck to primitives instead of trying every possible combination with a regex, there would be no more matching than DateFormatter is already doing.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eC) DateFormatter does not have to continue to be the monolithic beast that it is now. The process can (\/should\/!) be split to run in two halves. The first half would run pre-cache (e.g. at \tParserFirstCallInit) and would pre-process the multitude of human-esque date formats to a "normalized" (simplified) form that can be quickly machine-processed later. The second half, running ex-cache (like DateFormatter now), would then convert the simplified form into whatever 'Accept-Language'\/user-pref\/etc says it should be. How dates are tagged\/preprocessed internally (for faster processing later) is left to the developer's discretion; editors don't see it or need to care about it.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1098\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90895\" id=\"90895\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1097\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_204\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90895\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1096\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 30 2008, 8:22 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-30 20:22:10 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1094\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1095\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_205\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ebillclark\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #190)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eB) if I'm reading your "allow us to greatly expand the number of patterns"\u003cbr \/\u003e\ncorrectly, you envision that [[October 30th 2008]], [[Oct. 30]] etc would be\u003cbr \/\u003e\nindividually regex matched, i.e. using a separate rule for each possible\u003cbr \/\u003e\nvariation. But there are only six primitive regexes, no more than\u003cbr \/\u003e\nDateFormatter's present set of eight. So, if your version stuck to primitives\u003cbr \/\u003e\ninstead of trying every possible combination with a regex, there would be no\u003cbr \/\u003e\nmore matching than DateFormatter is already doing.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI don't follow this at all.  Could you explain it in some more detail?\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eC) DateFormatter does not have to continue to be the monolithic beast that it\u003cbr \/\u003e\nis now. The process can (\/should\/!) be split to run in two halves. The first\u003cbr \/\u003e\nhalf would run pre-cache (e.g. at    ParserFirstCallInit) and would pre-process\u003cbr \/\u003e\nthe multitude of human-esque date formats to a "normalized" (simplified) form\u003cbr \/\u003e\nthat can be quickly machine-processed later. The second half, running ex-cache\u003cbr \/\u003e\n(like DateFormatter now), would then convert the simplified form into whatever\u003cbr \/\u003e\n'Accept-Language'\/user-pref\/etc says it should be. How dates are\u003cbr \/\u003e\ntagged\/preprocessed internally (for faster processing later) is left to the\u003cbr \/\u003e\ndeveloper's discretion; editors don't see it or need to care about it.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI'm not sure I follow this, either.  Where would the normalized dates be stored?  If I'm understanding this correctly, you're saying that some normalization of the date format should take place when a new edit is submitted, stored (where?) and then when the cache is rebuilt following the first page request, the new DateFormatter code can operate on the normalized dates.  That would seem to either require a new place to store the normalized page text or else we would be replacing the submitted article text with the normalized version, neither of which I think is a great idea.  Could you clarify this point as well?\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e-Bill Clark\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_1107\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"90902\" id=\"90902\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_1106\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_206\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#90902\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_1105\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eOct 31 2008, 5:01 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2008-10-31 05:01:05 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_1103\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_1104\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_207\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ecyp\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI'm not a php guy, so what follows is only my take from what I can glean by reading the code.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eExplaining B)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDateFormatter presently loops through 8 regexes, each being a particular date-format pattern. So, e.g. [d M Y] has one pattern, and [d M] has another pattern and so on. The entire article is searched through eight times, once for each regex.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIn that scheme, if you also wanted to handle [31st October 2008] and [31 Oct. 2008] and [31st Oct. 2008] and [31 Oct 2008] and [31st Oct,] etc ad nauseum, you would need a new regex for each of them, and the number of passes through the article rises accordingly.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eBut you could also find a "primitive" that matches all of the above (see link in the email I sent a few days ago). In such a regex punctuation would be ignored, the test for month names would be {October|Oct) (with \/i of course), the day-number test would be (\\\\d{1,2})(st|nd|rd|th), and the year + era would also be parenthesized as optional.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhen you make the regex as encompassing as possible, the regex handler does not have to return to the calling routine as often, which cuts out one pass through the article for every regex that you save. While the regex itself gets slower, this is not as significant as extra runs through the php. After all, the regex handler is native.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSecondly, and irrespective of which syntax is chosen, running through the article N times is wasteful. phase3\/includes\/Parser.php does this much faster by exploding all "links" to an array, string-manipulating them there, and then merging them back. Incidentally, since parser.php is processing each and every [[ ]] anyway you'd be handed each "link" on the silver platter if you could get the devs to provide a call\/hook from that level. I'm guessing but the end of the inner loop in replaceInternalLinks2() seems like a good place.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eExplaining C)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eCurrently, when an editor presses save, the article is saved in two "states". One state in the editable form which editors see, and the other is the form that \/eventually\/ makes it way to the client as html. The second of these two forms is immediately run through a preprocessing phase, which includes most (all?) template expansion and many mediawiki extensions such as cite.php. This is relatively slow, and this preprocessed form is what is cached.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLater, when a client requests an article, the preprocessed version is retrieved from cache and processing is finalized before finally becoming the html as you see it. This, "final" stage is where DateFormatter currently sits (after all, it needs to be userpref aware, and so needs to be update content on the fly) and also where "links" are expanded to become "red links", "blue links", image links, category links, "Special:" namespace links, "Media:" links, ISBN links, PUBMED links, inline images, etc etc etc.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eSo, the date normalization would be done at about the same time as template expansion et al, which is in the state that eventually becomes html. 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