for (;;);{"error":null,"payload":{"timeline":"\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell phui-timeline-yellow\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_30\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"348810\" id=\"348810\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill fill-has-color phui-timeline-icon-fill-yellow\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-arrow-up phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_26\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_0\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e raised the priority of this task from \u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-value\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e to \u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-value\"\u003eMedium\u003c\/span\u003e.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#348810\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_25\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eNov 21 2014, 11:51 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2014-11-21 23:51:04 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-link phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_27\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_1\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a project: \u003ca href=\"\/tag\/wikimedia-site-requests\/\" class=\"phui-handle\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_2\"\u003eWikimedia-Site-requests\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-pencil phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_28\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_3\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e set Reference to bz30208.\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_29\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_4\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a subscriber: \u003cspan class=\"phui-handle\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_5\"\u003eUnknown Object (MLST)\u003c\/span\u003e.\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_33\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"348819\" id=\"348819\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-pencil phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_32\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_6\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e created this task.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#348819\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_31\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eAug 3 2011, 10:53 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-08-03 22:53:00 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_44\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/hotylf4lvnhjvd5qh5pp\/PHID-FILE-qxupl4r6iysu6fa22spb\/profile-Avatar-BassMan.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/MaxSem\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/5\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_42\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_43\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"348823\" id=\"348823\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_41\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/MaxSem\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_7\"\u003eMaxSem\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#348823\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_40\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eAug 4 2011, 4:20 AM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-08-04 04:20:01 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_38\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_39\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_8\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eCall me dumb, but don't see any strong consensus here. If we simply sum the number of people supporting and opposing this change in principle, it will be something closer to 50\/50. Also, lots of people opined on the need in an article creation wizard in software proper, as opposed to wiki pages. Can this possibility be seriously discussed before making such serious step?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_53\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"348833\" id=\"348833\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_52\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_9\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#348833\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_51\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eAug 4 2011, 2:08 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-08-04 14:08:33 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_49\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_50\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_10\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003esnottywong.wiki\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI don't think this is the time or the place to second-guess the way the proposal was closed by an experienced admin. Note that over 500 editors participated, and the closing admin notes that "In this broadly attended discussion, more than two-thirds of those expressing a clear 'support' or 'oppose' opinion supported the proposal to limit article creation to autoconfirmed editors, either as a trial or on a permanent basis." No one has disputed the way this proposal was closed (and bugzilla is certainly not the place to do so). There is very strong consensus for this trial.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAs for a software version of an article creation wizard, that's a great idea but completely unrelated to this trial; linking the two is unnecessary and inappropriate.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhile this is a serious step, keep in mind it is only a trial. The trial will last for 6 months, and then this change will be reversed for 30 days while a discussion ensues on whether to make the changes permanent or to abandon the idea.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMany editors have planned and worked for months to organize, propose and implement this change. I (and they) would be highly disappointed if it got hijacked on bugzilla, at the very last step of implementation.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_62\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/5q634gh5s6xlnedxmkxs\/PHID-FILE-ovwadxcq2s3mmaonkqdc\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/brion\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"348850\" id=\"348850\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_61\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/brion\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_11\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e brion\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#348850\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_60\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eAug 4 2011, 4:51 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-08-04 16:51:24 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_58\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_59\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_12\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eThe right way to deal with this is to cut to the root of the problem: we throw brand-new potential editors directly into shark-infested waters, then yell at them for splashing at the sharks. :)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI agree with the basic concern -- putting newbies right into that environment so easily often ends up harming everyone -- but I don't think it would be ideal to simply cut off new article creation without actually providing a safe place for them to go instead.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThis needs to be paired with a *really good user-friendly way* for new accounts to create provisional articles, have them reviewed, get mentored by real people, and get their articles moved into real article space (or at least end up finding something better to do in a less confrontational way than a scary template and speedy deletion).\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI would recommend at least a serious beefing up of the requests for article creation pages before trying this; a newbie attempting to create a new article definitely needs to be shepherded through some checks, and should end up with the opportunity to at least create a page -- even if it's in a sandbox area.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In the future, please consider actually reaching out to developers for feedback as well before the final stages!)\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_71\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"348864\" id=\"348864\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_70\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_13\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#348864\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_69\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eAug 4 2011, 5:14 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-08-04 17:14:33 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_67\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_68\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_14\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003esnottywong.wiki\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #3)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eI would recommend at least a serious beefing up of the requests for article\u003cbr \/\u003e\ncreation pages before trying this; a newbie attempting to create a new article\u003cbr \/\u003e\ndefinitely needs to be shepherded through some checks, and should end up with\u003cbr \/\u003e\nthe opportunity to at least create a page -- even if it's in a sandbox area.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eCan you define "beefing up"? The current en:WP:Articles_for_Creation and en:WP:Article_wizard have existed for quite some time and, in my opinion, do a good job of shepherding new users through the process of creating a new article.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIn addition, the error page which will be displayed to the user when they try to create a new article will give them clear instructions on how to get their article created despite being non-autoconfirmed:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003col class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eIt will direct them straight to Articles for Creation with instructions on how to use the Article Wizard to create a new article and have experienced editors review it. This process has worked for IPs creating new articles for years.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003eIt will also provide a link to start the article in their userspace, with clear directions on how to get the attention of an editor to review the article and move it into mainspace for them when they're done.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ol\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOr, they can just wait 4 days and make 10 edits, which is a very low bar to achieve.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eCan you identify the specific deficiencies in the current Articles for Creation and Article Wizard systems which you believe need to be "beefed up"?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_80\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"348871\" id=\"348871\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_79\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_15\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#348871\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_78\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eAug 4 2011, 5:42 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-08-04 17:42:08 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_76\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_77\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_16\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003esnottywong.wiki\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOverall, I think we're thinking too hard about this. We're trying to figure out all of the problems that this change might cause and fix them beforehand, when in fact one of the major purposes of this trial is to actually identify what problems are caused (if any), what the nature of those problems are, and what the most effective way would be to fix them. If we're just blindly guessing that problems will be created at [[en:WP:AFC]] and vaguely insisting that we need to "beef up" something before the trial starts, then we might be implementing non-ideal solutions to non-existent problems. I think a far better idea is to actually implement the trial for a limited amount of time, collect some real data about its effects, and implement the most effective fixes to solve any problems caused.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_89\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"348893\" id=\"348893\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_88\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_17\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#348893\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_87\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eAug 4 2011, 7:40 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-08-04 19:40:36 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_85\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_86\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_18\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003esnottywong.wiki\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eCan someone explain to me how things work here when editors need to interface with the developers to make a change? We were hoping to just clearly explain what we need, point to the successful proposal which shows community consensus for a trial of the change, and get a dev to flip the user-rights switch for us. We were not aware that the entire concept was subject to another round of re-litigation by the developers at the 11th hour once the request is made on bugzilla. In particular, I'm concerned that these bugzilla discussions are not visible to any of the hundreds of editors who participated in the actual request for comments on enwiki.\u003cbr \/\u003e\nIf there are technical issues with making this change, please let us know and we will work with you to resolve them. If you have editorial concerns about the change, then my feeling is that those concerns should have been voiced at the proposal, which ran for nearly 2 months and was widely advertised all over the village pump and centralized discussion areas.\u003cbr \/\u003e\nI don't want to come off as hostile and I don't want to dismiss anyone's legitimate concerns, but I feel like the comments being made here are essentially editorial comments by editors who missed the original proposal, and I find these comments to be out of place in this venue.\u003cbr \/\u003e\nPlease let me know if my concerns are unfounded, or if this is the status quo here. Many editors have been planning the details of this trial for close to 6 months and are itching to see it get underway.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_98\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ktpxiau6eswechswlmd7\/PHID-FILE-2vlsbryc7loxstbithpy\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/demon\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"348902\" id=\"348902\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_97\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/demon\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_19\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e demon\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#348902\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_96\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eAug 4 2011, 7:48 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-08-04 19:48:43 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_94\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_95\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_20\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI'm with Brion on this one. I'm also wondering if the workflow we have here is sufficient and works as well as we think it does; that is, will the people who are now prohibited from creating a page really submit through the Articles for Creation process, or will they become discouraged and give up? I think there needs to be a very clear process for submitting articles and there needs to be a really good way of measuring the success\/failure of such a trial.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDisallowing anonymous page creation was a trial, without any means to gauge the results. While we're at least putting a 6 month cap on this...I really don't want us to fall down the slippery slope of rejecting more user contributions and driving more editors away because we never can decide if the trial was a good idea or not.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_107\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ovytmbleapqqbp2q34as\/PHID-FILE-ukx4a3vvpumxtlt3rof2\/profile-Screen_Shot_2014-11-24_at_10.24.10_AM.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"348910\" id=\"348910\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_106\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/bzimport\/\" class=\"phui-handle handle-availability-disabled phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_21\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"perfect-circle\"\u003e\u2022\u003c\/span\u003e bzimport\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#348910\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_105\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eAug 4 2011, 10:14 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-08-04 22:14:56 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_103\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_104\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_22\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003esnottywong.wiki\u003c\/strong\u003e wrote:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI have a few comments and a question. First the comments:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI want to put things in perspective. I did an analysis of all new articles created from January-May 2011 (see [[en:User:Snottywong\/Article creation stats]]). The analysis shows that nearly three-quarters of articles created by non-autoconfirmed users get deleted. Compare this to autoconfirmed users, where about 18% of new articles get deleted. If we extrapolate this out, it means that non-autoconfirmed users create about 191 articles per day (which don't eventually get deleted), whereas autoconfirmed users create about 2,272 articles per day (which don't eventually get deleted).\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eMy point in laying all these stats on you is this: even if this trial was a complete and utter failure, and it ended up causing 100% of non-autoconfirmed users who want to create a new article to give up and not try [[en:WP:AFC]] or make a userspace draft or wait 4 days or whatever... the worst that would happen is that the creation rate of decent new articles would temporarily decline by 8% for 6 months. And that's an extremely unlikely, absolute worst case scenario. Of course, there are other factors like attracting less new editors and such, but I just wanted to put this entire trial into perspective; it's not THAT big of a change.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAlso, I still haven't seen any specific comments about what is broken about the current Articles for Creation \/ Article Wizard system. Anonymous editors use this system quite regularly; it's not unusual to see 100 new articles proposed via AFC in a single day. If anyone can identify what specifically needs to be fixed with this system, then maybe we can address it. I believe it's a well-tuned system that is working just fine. We may want to recruit some more participants to review new articles when the trial is implemented, but apart from that I don't see much need for improvement.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnd now for my question: Where do we go from here? We have a proposal which ran for 2 months on enwiki where 300-400 editors supported the idea of this trial. And now that we're trying to implement it, we have a few devs with vague, non-specific criticism of the Articles for Creation system, who apparently are hesitant\/unwilling to implement the trial. How do we resolve this? What do we need to do to get this trial implemented?\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_116\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/res\/phabricator\/e132bb6a\/rsrc\/image\/avatar.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Kudpung\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"348922\" id=\"348922\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_115\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Kudpung\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_23\"\u003eKudpung\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#348922\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_114\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eAug 4 2011, 10:32 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2011-08-04 22:32:51 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_112\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_113\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_24\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003e(In reply to comment #7)\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eI'm with Brion on this one. I'm also wondering if the workflow we have here is\u003cbr \/\u003e\nsufficient and works as well as we think it does; that is, will the people who\u003cbr \/\u003e\nare now prohibited from creating a page really submit through the Articles for\u003cbr \/\u003e\nCreation process, or will they become discouraged and give up? I think there\u003cbr \/\u003e\nneeds to be a very clear process for submitting articles and there needs to be\u003cbr \/\u003e\na really good way of measuring the success\/failure of such a trial.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDisallowing anonymous page creation was a trial, without any means to gauge the\u003cbr \/\u003e\nresults. While we're at least putting a 6 month cap on this...I really don't\u003cbr \/\u003e\nwant us to fall down the slippery slope of rejecting more user contributions\u003cbr \/\u003e\nand driving more editors away because we never can decide if the trial was a\u003cbr \/\u003e\ngood idea or not.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe specifics and pre-trial statistics have been provided for trial and post-trial comparison and discussion. The trial is to be switched off after a period of 6 months, with en.Wiki reverting to pre-trial usergroup status. Immediately following the revert, 30 days have been allocated for the evaluation and assessment of the trial, during which the gathered data will be compared. In the case of a result favourable to the adoption of the new user policy, the new policy will be implemented as a permanent feature. In the event of results that demonstrate that the trial has not achieved its goal, namely that of greatly reducing the creation of the vast number of inappropriate new pages with minimal loss of retention of potential new users and potential suitable new articles, the project will be abandoned and the trial will not, under he terms of the present consensus, be reconducted. Moreover, it was clearly expressed that any alternative methods for the creation of new pages that were mentioned in the RfC were not, and are not, part of the discussion nor part of the implementation of the trial. Nevertheless, in deference to some suggestions that were made during the RfC, provision has been made to accommodate the possibility of shortening the 4 day\/10 edit waiting period by providing three options of quick access to 1. The article wizard, 2. Articles for creation, and 3. automated creation of a new page template similar to the wizard, but in user space. \u003cbr \/\u003e\nA review and a page move by an established editor would then enable these new articles to go live more quickly.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eDue to the near total collapse of the New Page Patrol system, this project and its research and discussion, which have culminated in the required consesuses, have been a priority issue since October 2010; A request has been made via Bugzilla to prepare the software implementation of a trial that has been approved by consensus following correct en.Wiki due process. Bugzilla is not the place to attempt either a stalling procedure or attempts to relitigate what has been decided by established 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