for (;;);{"error":null,"payload":{"timeline":"\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell phui-timeline-yellow\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_39\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/uhdumuqwzg2om3snh5bt\/PHID-FILE-6emdfaiwszozwv5vd2un\/alphanumeric_aleo-white_W.png-_a1bb7a-255%2C255%2C255%2C0.4.png)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Wittylama\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"1947833\" id=\"1947833\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-pencil phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_34\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Wittylama\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_0\"\u003eWittylama\u003c\/a\u003e created this task.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#1947833\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_33\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 20 2016, 2:00 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-01-20 14:00:02 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill fill-has-color phui-timeline-icon-fill-yellow\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-arrow-up phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_35\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Wittylama\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_9\"\u003eWittylama\u003c\/a\u003e raised the priority of this task from \u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-value\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e to \u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-value\"\u003eNeeds Triage\u003c\/span\u003e.\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-pencil phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_36\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Wittylama\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_10\"\u003eWittylama\u003c\/a\u003e updated the task description. \u003ca href=\"\/transactions\/detail\/PHID-XACT-TASK-sqywxug55dcmkg3\/\" data-sigil=\"workflow\"\u003e(Show Details)\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-link phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_37\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Wittylama\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_11\"\u003eWittylama\u003c\/a\u003e added a project: \u003ca href=\"\/tag\/mobile\/\" class=\"phui-handle\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_12\"\u003eMobile\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_38\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Wittylama\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_13\"\u003eWittylama\u003c\/a\u003e subscribed.\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_42\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"display: none;\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"1947839\" id=\"1947839\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_41\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-handle\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_14\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-lock lightgreytext\" data-meta=\"0_15\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003eRestricted Application\u003c\/span\u003e added subscribers: \u003ca href=\"\/p\/StudiesWorld\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_16\"\u003eStudiesWorld\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Aklapper\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_17\"\u003eAklapper\u003c\/a\u003e. \u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra-information\"\u003e \u00b7  \u003ca href=\"\/herald\/transcript\/1132717\/\"\u003eView Herald Transcript\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#1947839\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_40\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 20 2016, 2:00 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-01-20 14:00:02 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_55\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/zpvr2eembyewyy7kmoah\/PHID-FILE-q3f7troopzjjk6grs5j2\/profile-HelloKittyLounge)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Jdlrobson\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/17\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_51\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_52\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/8\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_53\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-life-ring\" data-meta=\"0_54\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"1948388\" id=\"1948388\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_50\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jdlrobson\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_19\"\u003eJdlrobson\u003c\/a\u003e subscribed.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#1948388\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_49\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 20 2016, 4:55 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-01-20 16:55:49 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_47\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_48\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_18\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI can add some background on why they are hidden (tldr is that this is a trade off to better suit our users on 2g connections who we believe cannot even access our site without the use of an external proxy - a more pressing issue ):\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cul class=\"remarkup-list\"\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003enavboxes table based layout are the least mobile friendly of all editor based content and would need a complete rewrite by editors to be mobile friendly (it does not lend itself nicely to responsive design). There is also currently no way to style content differently on mobile to desktop (a rfc has been open for 4 years now to drive that [1])\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli class=\"remarkup-list-item\"\u003ethey are html heavy (up to 10% on most of our larger articles) which adds to the bloat to our HTML which renders our site unusable to users on a 2g connection (reference list being the other contributor which is luckily in our control to fix). we need to make it possible for readers to load this separately.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAt the dev summit we talked about how mediwiki ideally would allow template fragments such as navbox to be lazy loaded but that's not happening any time soon.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eHelp from community tech team would be much appreciated here.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e[1]\u003ca href=\"https:\/\/m.mediawiki.org\/wiki\/Requests_for_comment\/Allow_styling_in_templates\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttps:\/\/m.mediawiki.org\/wiki\/Requests_for_comment\/Allow_styling_in_templates\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_59\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-minor-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/zpvr2eembyewyy7kmoah\/PHID-FILE-q3f7troopzjjk6grs5j2\/profile-HelloKittyLounge)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Jdlrobson\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"1948390\" id=\"1948390\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-link phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_57\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jdlrobson\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_20\"\u003eJdlrobson\u003c\/a\u003e added a project: \u003ca href=\"\/tag\/community-tech\/\" class=\"phui-handle\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_21\"\u003eCommunity-Tech\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#1948390\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_56\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 20 2016, 4:56 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-01-20 16:56:01 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-pencil phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_58\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jdlrobson\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_22\"\u003eJdlrobson\u003c\/a\u003e set Security to None.\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_69\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ibwvwnryaftpycp36sta\/PHID-FILE-c33l454n2a6u7jgrvqim\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/TheDJ\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"1949651\" id=\"1949651\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-link phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_67\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/TheDJ\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_23\"\u003eTheDJ\u003c\/a\u003e removed a project: \u003ca href=\"\/tag\/community-tech\/\" class=\"phui-handle\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_24\"\u003eCommunity-Tech\u003c\/a\u003e.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#1949651\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_66\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 20 2016, 9:01 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-01-20 21:01:36 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-user-plus phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_68\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/TheDJ\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_26\"\u003eTheDJ\u003c\/a\u003e subscribed.\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_64\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_65\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_25\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eEh the community-tech team is not a mailbox to dump things in just because the community wants them and other teams don't have it on their todo list right now. If we start tagging tickets like that pretty soon half the tickets of phabricator will be on the board of that team and that seems unhelpful at the very least.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_79\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ibwvwnryaftpycp36sta\/PHID-FILE-c33l454n2a6u7jgrvqim\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/TheDJ\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"1949764\" id=\"1949764\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_78\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/TheDJ\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_27\"\u003eTheDJ\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003eEdited\u003cspan class=\"visual-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e \u00b7 \u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"#1949764\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_77\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 20 2016, 9:30 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-01-20 21:30:14 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_75\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_76\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_28\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eAs to the actual topic. Show me a good design for navboxes that actually works to communicate information on a mobile sized screen and I can support showing them, but no one has presented such an idea so far, not even in brainstorm discussions...\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eCurrently they would just be confusing and 'loud' noise (esp. on mobile). Which is why they are all mostly collapsed on desktop pages by default as well btw, because for 98% of the people its just 'too much'. It's just that on desktop we have a bit more leeway to get away with that....\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAnyway, I still haven't seen anyone present a navbox design or idea that 'works' for the mobile medium. There is a responsibility here towards the users. Just because a part works for a car, doesn't mean you put it on a bicycle. Yet much technology from cars has ended up in bicycles in very innovative, new and transformative ways. That is what is needed here. From both WMF AND from the community honestly (you can't be innovative if the community only accepts it when you put tractor wheels on a race bicycle).\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eAs for related pages....\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI've always considered that the best way to have "Related articles" is to actually source them from the navboxes and the "See also" sections and then present a selection of them in a way similar to what "Related articles" does. If there was no curated content available to source from, then there could be a fallback to non-curated 'search relations'. Instead our current Related articles primarily depends on non-curated articles. This is not a long term feasible implementation, because as I have pointed out from the start of Related Articles, Wikipedia is all about curated content because we CARE, it's what makes Wikipedia distinct from many other sources. And thus, we now have a problem, since we are measuring the wrong things, leading to the wrong conclusions, etc etc etc.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eCurrently this is more visible to the 'curators', because we are now testing this feature on Desktop as well, where this conflict between curated relations and non-curated relations is becoming painfully visible === FAIL.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_92\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/zpvr2eembyewyy7kmoah\/PHID-FILE-q3f7troopzjjk6grs5j2\/profile-HelloKittyLounge)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/Jdlrobson\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-badges\"\u003e\u003cul class=\"phui-badge-flex-view grouped flex-view-collapsed \"\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/17\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_88\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-rocket\" data-meta=\"0_89\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003cli class=\"phui-badge-flex-item\"\u003e\u003ca class=\"phui-badge-mini phui-badge-mini-orange \" href=\"\/badges\/view\/8\/\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_90\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-life-ring\" data-meta=\"0_91\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/li\u003e\u003c\/ul\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"1949826\" id=\"1949826\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_87\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jdlrobson\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_29\"\u003eJdlrobson\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#1949826\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_86\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 20 2016, 9:42 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-01-20 21:42:53 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_84\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_85\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_30\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T124168#1949651\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_1\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT124168#1949651\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/TheDJ\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_4\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@TheDJ\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eEh the community-tech team is not a mailbox to dump things in just because the community wants them and other teams don't have it on their todo list right now. If we start tagging tickets like that pretty soon half the tickets of phabricator will be on the board of that team and that seems unhelpful at the very least.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eI was told to add this tag to anything template related....  (see \u003ca href=\"\/T101362\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_2\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT101362\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e)... I have argued for a project specifically to capture these template issues as they are not issues with any extension so a lot of them get closed as invalid after writing on a talk page that never gets feedback\/action for whatever reasons.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T124168#1949764\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_3\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT124168#1949764\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/TheDJ\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_5\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@TheDJ\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eAs to the actual topic. Show me a good design for navboxes that actually works to communicate information on a mobile sized screen and I can support showing them, but no one has presented such an idea so far, not even in brainstorm discussions...\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTo be honest,  don't have any real idea what the problem these templates is solving since they were created a long time before I joined and I have never used them as a reader or editor personally. As a developer I can only try and advise how to improve the existing design which so far no one has come up with a good alternative (and I've been here for 4 years and we noticed this problem at the start of my tenure). What I'm failing to understand is how do I arrange such a discussion between template devs, WMF staff and designers? Talk pages do not seem a good place so far and editors are not present on mailing lists.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTemplates have always been a gray area as they are owned by editors and I've always seen the WMF as an advisor in these measures. While I can make minor changes to improve things, sweeping changes seem out of my remit and feel like a violation of the policy around staff editing.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\n\u003cblockquote\u003e\u003cp\u003eAs for related pages....\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eOff topic but there's some good discussion going on here - \u003ca href=\"https:\/\/www.mediawiki.org\/wiki\/Topic:Suk2mzettgmd8pio\" class=\"remarkup-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer\"\u003ehttps:\/\/www.mediawiki.org\/wiki\/Topic:Suk2mzettgmd8pio\u003c\/a\u003e - personally I'd love to see navboxes, see also and this feature reconciled in some way to make our articles more structured and accessible via APIs.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-spacer\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-shell\" data-sigil=\"transaction anchor-container\" data-meta=\"0_101\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-event-view phui-timeline-major-event\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-content\"\u003e\u003ca style=\"background-image: url(https:\/\/phab.wmfusercontent.org\/file\/data\/ibwvwnryaftpycp36sta\/PHID-FILE-c33l454n2a6u7jgrvqim\/profile)\" class=\"visual-only phui-timeline-image\" href=\"\/p\/TheDJ\/\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-wedge\" style=\"\"\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-group\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-inner-content\"\u003e\u003ca name=\"1949892\" id=\"1949892\" class=\"phabricator-anchor-view\"\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-title phui-timeline-title-with-icon phui-timeline-title-with-menu\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-icon-fill\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-comment phui-timeline-icon\" data-meta=\"0_100\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003ca href=\"\/p\/TheDJ\/\" class=\"phui-handle phui-link-person\" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_31\"\u003eTheDJ\u003c\/a\u003e added a comment.\u003cspan class=\"phui-timeline-extra\"\u003e\u003ca href=\"#1949892\" data-sigil=\"has-tooltip\" data-meta=\"0_99\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"screen-only\"\u003eJan 20 2016, 10:05 PM\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"print-only\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e2016-01-20 22:05:17 (UTC+0)\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003ca href=\"#\" class=\"phui-timeline-menu\" aria-haspopup=\"true\" aria-expanded=\"false\" data-sigil=\"phui-dropdown-menu\" data-meta=\"0_97\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"aural-only\"\u003eComment Actions\u003c\/span\u003e\u003cspan class=\"visual-only phui-icon-view phui-font-fa fa-caret-down\" data-meta=\"0_98\" aria-hidden=\"true\"\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phui-timeline-core-content\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"transaction-comment\" data-sigil=\"transaction-comment\" data-meta=\"0_32\"\u003e\u003cdiv class=\"phabricator-remarkup\"\u003e\u003cblockquote class=\"remarkup-reply-block\"\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-head\"\u003eIn \u003ca href=\"\/T124168#1949826\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_7\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT124168#1949826\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e, \u003ca href=\"\/p\/Jdlrobson\/\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-person \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_8\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-person\"\u003e@Jdlrobson\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e wrote:\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cdiv class=\"remarkup-reply-body\"\u003e\u003cp\u003eI was told to add this tag to anything template related....  (see \u003ca href=\"\/T101362\" class=\"phui-tag-view phui-tag-type-object \" data-sigil=\"hovercard\" data-meta=\"0_6\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core-closed\"\u003e\u003cspan class=\"phui-tag-core phui-tag-color-object\"\u003eT101362\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/a\u003e)... I have argued for a project specifically to capture these template issues as they are not issues with any extension so a lot of them get closed as invalid after writing on a talk page that never gets feedback\/action for whatever reasons.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003c\/blockquote\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThis template is not fixable. Not by anyone. This requires higher level design of functionality, something for which we unfortunately don't really have people employed for at WMF anymore.\u003c\/p\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/span\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e\u003c\/div\u003e"},"javelin_metadata":[{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-USER-b653jige5ek3oq53yron"}},{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-TASK-w2zlygxnhez5xzyd6v26"}},{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-TASK-kvnyjuaws4jbhguurtcs"}},{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-TASK-w2zlygxnhez5xzyd6v26"}},{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-USER-wrimmmr5w2zt7nk2t753","contextPHID":"PHID-TASK-w2zlygxnhez5xzyd6v26"}},{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-USER-wrimmmr5w2zt7nk2t753","contextPHID":"PHID-TASK-w2zlygxnhez5xzyd6v26"}},{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-TASK-kvnyjuaws4jbhguurtcs"}},{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-TASK-w2zlygxnhez5xzyd6v26"}},{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-USER-5dwuaigmkz2vzg65lape","contextPHID":"PHID-TASK-w2zlygxnhez5xzyd6v26"}},{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-USER-b653jige5ek3oq53yron"}},{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-USER-b653jige5ek3oq53yron"}},{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-USER-b653jige5ek3oq53yron"}},{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-PROJ-xkvwb3suket4gnavdgy4"}},{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-USER-b653jige5ek3oq53yron"}},{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-APPS-PhabricatorHeraldApplication"}},[],{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-USER-6p4p4vbpzsydxbxewmdj"}},{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-USER-hgn5uw2jafgjgfvxibhh"}},{"phid":"PHID-XACT-TASK-4v6ynqpu74v7jkg"},{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-USER-5dwuaigmkz2vzg65lape"}},{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-USER-5dwuaigmkz2vzg65lape"}},{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-PROJ-kws2wih774dwaclxs2qy"}},{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-USER-5dwuaigmkz2vzg65lape"}},{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-USER-wrimmmr5w2zt7nk2t753"}},{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-PROJ-kws2wih774dwaclxs2qy"}},{"phid":"PHID-XACT-TASK-de2oqxsjt6hbiim"},{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-USER-wrimmmr5w2zt7nk2t753"}},{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-USER-wrimmmr5w2zt7nk2t753"}},{"phid":"PHID-XACT-TASK-wtgxitbbwbe2e5m"},{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-USER-5dwuaigmkz2vzg65lape"}},{"phid":"PHID-XACT-TASK-gk67iopmvwd6qau"},{"hovercardSpec":{"objectPHID":"PHID-USER-wrimmmr5w2zt7nk2t753"}},{"phid":"PHID-XACT-TASK-ew5hpef4pxkud7z"},{"tip":"Via 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