In what way do you want support for Sámi languages? For Labels/Descriptions/Aliasses or just for monolingual properties?

sju, smn, sms, sjd are already available for monolingual property types.
If you want them for labels etc. they need to be made available to ULS, which isn't for the WIkidata team

We will then proceed to ask to include at least smn and sms in ULS. For the rest, for our purposes, the ability to add monolingual properties would be enough. Thank you!

Missing from https://github.com/wikimedia/language-data/blob/master/data/langdb.yaml are: sjk, sia, sjt. Do note that an autonym is required to add language names there. ULS uses this database. All other listed languages are already in ULS.

In T217430#4994310, @Mbch331 wrote:

sju, smn, sms, sjd are already available for monolingual property types.
If you want them for labels etc. they need to be made available to ULS, which isn't for the WIkidata team

I cannot find their codes here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Wikimedia_language_codes/lists/all. Are these the ULS languages?

This does not work

Neither do they display here

The status of requested Sámi languages is marked below. Not all languages can be used although they are said to be ready.

The most up-to-date listing can be found in T223524

In T217430#5024866, @Susannaanas wrote:

I cannot find their codes here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Wikimedia_language_codes/lists/all. Are these the ULS languages?

That page is generated from the P424 statements that users have added to Wikidata items. It doesn't say where the codes are used, so I think it's more confusing than helpful here.

In T217430#5043168, @Susannaanas wrote:

Monolingual Where can this be checked?
Actual (can it be used in monolingual properties)
Actual (is it available in Labels

Unless something has changed recently:

Being in langdb.yaml is not enough to make a language usable in Wikidata.

The languages available for labels are:

• all the languages from Names.php
• plus the languages in wmgExtraLanguageNames in InitialiseSettings.php (warning: large page)

The easiest way to check whether a language can be used for labels (in my opinion) is to look at the language field on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:NewItem

The languages available for monolingual text are:

• all the languages available for labels (see above)
• plus all the extra languages from this section of WikibaseContentLanguages.php
• excluding the languages from the next section in that file (direct link)

Only the languages which are in Names.php show up in the suggestions for monolingual text. The ticket for fixing that is T124758.

@jhsoby-WMNO: Should there be another subtask asking for smn and sms to be made available for labels?

In T217430#5053645, @Nikki wrote:

@jhsoby-WMNO: Should there be another subtask asking for smn and sms to be made available for labels?

Yes, that would be best. I can make one later unless you beat me to it. :-)

Hate to come back to this, but it is still not possible to use sju, sjd, sjt or sia with labels or descriptions in Wikidata. sju I don't need right now, but I do need to be able to input labels and descriptions in the other three. Towards the end of the summer, at the latest, I will also need sju.

Other languages that are missing are all but one of the Romani languages, five of which are considered national minority languages in Sweden. As is Kven (fkv).

Additionally, using sms as language failed while creating a lexeme

In T217430#5212348, @Susannaanas wrote:

Additionally, using sms as language failed while creating a lexeme

Did you actually fill out the "Spelling variant of the lemma" field? I was able to create https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Lexeme:L47045 fine.

In T217430#5212349, @Nikki wrote:

In T217430#5212348, @Susannaanas wrote:

Additionally, using sms as language failed while creating a lexeme

Did you actually fill out the "Spelling variant of the lemma" field? I was able to create https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Lexeme:L47045 fine.

Right, I did not. However, inside the lexeme, it cannot be used.

Do you want to create codes that allow entering UPA directly? e.g. "sms-fonupa" ?

In T217430#5212388, @Esc3300 wrote:

Do you want to create codes that allow entering UPA directly? e.g. "sms-fonupa" ?

This is beyond my expertise, I will ask @Yupik to follow up, and propose to use a separate task.

You'd need that if most content you want to enter is directly in UPA

In T217430#5212388, @Esc3300 wrote:

Do you want to create codes that allow entering UPA directly? e.g. "sms-fonupa" ?

We have something similar to that in T223524 for Akkala Saami and Ter Saami, as they don't have official orthographies of their own, so we have some stuff in Cyrillic, some in IPA, and some in UPA.

For Skolt Saami, I don't think that it's necessary to have separate codes, since it has an official orthography, although I would like to be able to add the UPA and IPA for items in that language when we have sources for it, similar to the way this has been done in Wikidata:Q102090 with IPA. I would also like some way of marking which dialect it is.

The IPA statement on Q102090 isn't really a sample to follow.

Wikimedia Commons requires also local mediawiki:lang/langcode pages for https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Module:Languages

I updated the table above by linking the relevant Wikidata items and noting extinct languages (at least per Wikidata). Also in the meantime sjd and sju are available for terms.

To bring this to a conclusion as far as Wikidata is concerned, couldn't we also add sjk as term language? Maybe sia-cyrl and sjt-cyrl as well? Not sure what to suggest for the other sia/sjt codes.

@Susannaanas @jhsoby what's your view on this?

I do not have enough expertise to evaluate the need for specific codes, but on a general level

• All language codes could be included, so I definitely support adding sjk as well
• Source materials may exist in Cyrillic form only, so I support adding them as well
• Source materials may only exist in oral form without orthography, thus being able to record whatever is available would be important. I do not know the existing practices for recording phonetic transcripts, in my opinion they should be supported.
• UPA is more commonly used for Uralic languages than IPA, and deciding which one to support would be beyond my knowledge

Considering that pretty much all the extant text we have for sjk is on the short enwiki article and even that is not using an official orthography since one doesn't exist, I don't see any need to add it to anything. I'm not really sure why I ever added it in the first place, so my apologies for that.

Sia-cyrl and sjt-cyrl would, in principle, be a good idea, but is likely to just create the potential for flyby vandalism that the incubator experiences from the stereotypical person-with-dictionary-but-no-actual-knowledge-of-said-language. Combined with sia's 0 speakers and sjt's 2 plus no official orthography, I have to say no to sia-cyrl and sjt-cyrl.

On a practical level, I think it boils down to the question if there are actual samples of labels that could be added in these languages to Wikidata items.

For one, there is a convenient list already at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ter_Sami#Example_of_words_in_Ter_saami[9]

I don't think incubator projects or the number of speakers are relevant. As we do have wikis on languages that are essentially spoken, the absence of an official orthography isn't an absolute barrier either.

If this is considered complete, please change its status to "resolved".

@Esc3300: This is not neverending by definition; removing tag.

Added map tiles to the checklist as maptiles are missing for sms and sun languages. Least smn should have maptiles as there is https://smn.wikipedia.org so there should be full language support.

Note: I checked that there should be label for Utsjoki in smn and sms languages in Open Street Map so the problem is not the missing label.

Examples

• https://maps.wikimedia.org/osm-intl/16/37687/14716.png?lang=se (uses correct label)
• https://maps.wikimedia.org/osm-intl/16/37687/14716.png?lang=smn (uses failback label)
• https://maps.wikimedia.org/osm-intl/16/37687/14716.png?lang=sms (uses failback label)