Do you mean "by default in Wikimedia production" or "by default for all users of MediaWiki everywhere"? The title and tag says the latter, and so is a MW product decision, but the content of your description implies the former, which is a smaller, simpler call.

In T355639#9482051, @Jdforrester-WMF wrote:

Do you mean "by default in Wikimedia production" or "by default for all users of MediaWiki everywhere"? The title and tag says the latter, and so is a MW product decision, but the content of your description implies the former, which is a smaller, simpler call.

It seems to me that this would be useful in general for "by default for all users of MediaWiki everywhere". But we can start with "by default in Wikimedia production" :)

Change 992763 had a related patch set uploaded (by Jforrester; author: Jforrester):

[operations/mediawiki-config@master] Remove 'changetags' from default's user group, grant to +sysop and +bot

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/992763

Slightly unrelated, but seems like what we really should do is have an undo button on special:logs/tag

It seems to me that for now we can warn the community and ask if there are any cases where this is used:

In the near future, it is planned to remove the <code>changetags</code> right to manually [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Tags|edit tags]] from users and give it to bots and administrators by default. This has already been done for many Wikimedia projects to prevent vandalism and incorrect tagging. If you use this functionality, please write it as a task on the Phabricator.

Hi there. A couple of questions.
If patroller X has a patrolling script that adds tags to some existing edit, will it work?
If AbuseFilter triggered by autoconfirmed adds tags to theirs edit, will it work?

If patroller X has a patrolling script that adds tags to some existing edit, will it work?

No. If https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/992763 gets merged, the right will only be granted to bots and sysops.

If AbuseFilter triggered by autoconfirmed adds tags to theirs edit, will it work?

Yes. Extension's actions are not affected by user rights.

One more question, please. If we "write it as a task on the Phabricator", as mentioned above, what are our chances to leave it on our wiki as is? You said nothing about this.

In T355639#9553027, @Iniquity wrote:

It seems to me that for now we can warn the community and ask if there are any cases where this is used:

Better wording to reflect what’s happening:

Future change: The right to change [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Tags|edit tags]] (<code>changetags</code>) will be removed from users and bots by default in Wikimedia sites. Your community can ask to keep the old configuration on your wiki before this change happens. This needs to be done by [insert date] at T355639.

(for example)

Really hope this is the case. The current text looks like "write us, we make statistics, and abandon the current task, if there are a lot".

Most wikis have no user-defined tags. Only 123 wikis should be concerned:

Being on the list doesn't necessarily mean the wiki needs to have an exception. Each wiki should check their activity on Special:Log/tag and decide if they are affected.

In T355639#9561710, @stjn wrote:

will be removed from users and bots by default in Wikimedia sites

Just users. The task description says:

only for bots and administrators by default

In T355639#9562561, @matej_suchanek wrote:

Most wikis have no user-defined tags. Only 123 wikis should be concerned:

P57483 wikis with 'user-defined' tags

1	arwiki
2	arwiktionary
3	arywiki
4	arzwiki
5	astwiki
6	azwiki
7	barwiki
8	bawiki
9	bgwiki
10	bhwiki
11	bnwiki
12	bnwikibooks
13	bnwikivoyage
14	bnwiktionary
15	cawiki
16	cawikiquote
17	ckbwiki
18	commonswiki
19	cowikimedia
20	cswiki
21	cswiktionary
22	dawiki
23	dewikisource
24	dewiktionary
25	elwiki
26	enwiki
27	enwikibooks
28	enwikisource
29	enwiktionary
30	eswiki
31	eswikisource
32	etwiki
33	fawiki
34	fawikivoyage
35	fiwiki
36	fiwikiquote
37	fiwikisource
38	fiwikiversity
39	fiwiktionary
40	frwiki
41	frwikinews
42	frwikiquote
43	frwikisource
44	frwiktionary
45	ganwiki
46	glwiki
47	hawiki
48	hewiki
49	hewikiquote
50	hewikisource
51	hewiktionary
52	hiwiki
53	hiwikibooks
54	hrwiki
55	huwiki
56	hywiki
57	idwiki
58	incubatorwiki
59	itwiki
60	itwikibooks
61	itwiktionary
62	jawiki
63	jawikibooks
64	jawikivoyage
65	kaawiki
66	kawiki
67	knwiki
68	kowiki
69	kswiki
70	kuwiktionary
71	kywiki
72	ltwiki
73	mediawikiwiki
74	metawiki
75	mkwiki
76	mlwiki
77	mrwikisource
78	mswiki
79	newiki
80	nlwiki
81	nlwiktionary
82	nowiki
83	orwiki
84	pawiki
85	plwiki
86	plwikisource
87	plwiktionary
88	ptwiki
89	ptwikinews
90	ruwiki
91	ruwikisource
92	shwiki
93	simplewiki
94	specieswiki
95	sqwiki
96	srwiki
97	svwiki
98	tawiki
99	test2wiki
100	testcommonswiki
101	testwiki
102	testwikidatawiki
103	tewiki
104	tgwiki
105	thwiki
106	trwiki
107	trwikiquote
108	ukwikisource
109	urwiki
110	uzwiki
111	vecwiki
112	viwiki
113	viwikibooks
114	wikidatawiki
115	yuewiktionary
116	zhwiki
117	zhwikinews
118	zhwikiquote
119	zhwikiversity
120	zhwikivoyage
121	zhwiktionary
122	zh_classicalwiki
123	zh_yuewiki

Being on the list doesn't necessarily mean the wiki needs to have an exception. Each wiki should check their activity on Special:Log/tag and decide if they are affected.

Can you please check and let me know what's concerning regarding the Serbian Wikipedia?

srwiki has three user-defined tags: Дискусија на Викимедијиној Остави, ToDoLister, Adiutor. But the activity on Special:Log/tag is minimal (and possibly unconstructive, exactly why the change would be useful).

The tags are added by tools, for which the user needs the applychangetags right (which is not being changed). Therefore, your wiki should be safe. And I think this is the case for most of the concerned wikis.

In T355639#9561710, @stjn wrote:

Better wording to reflect what’s happening:

Future change: The right to change [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Tags|edit tags]] (<code>changetags</code>) will be removed from users and bots by default in Wikimedia sites. Your community can ask to keep the old configuration on your wiki before this change happens. This needs to be done by [insert date] at T355639.

Thanks!

In T355639#9561715, @IKhitron wrote:

Really hope this is the case. The current text looks like "write us, we make statistics, and abandon the current task, if there are a lot".

In 95% of cases, manual tags is not required. All projects where this flag has already been reassigned will be preserved. If someone needs to retain this right for users, they should write here :)

Future change: The right to change [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Tags|edit tags]] (<code>changetags</code>) will be removed from users and bots by default in Wikimedia sites. Your community can ask to keep the old configuration on your wiki before this change happens. This needs to be done by [insert date] at T355639.

@Iniquity
For Tech News, what date should I put in the [insert date]?

In T355639#9570311, @UOzurumba wrote:

Future change: The right to change [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Tags|edit tags]] (<code>changetags</code>) will be removed from users and bots by default in Wikimedia sites. Your community can ask to keep the old configuration on your wiki before this change happens. This needs to be done by [insert date] at T355639.

@Iniquity
For Tech News, what date should I put in the [insert date]?

Hi :) This is hard question, @Jdforrester-WMF, can you help with it?

Future change: The right to change [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Tags|edit tags]] (<code>changetags</code>) will be removed from users and bots by default in Wikimedia sites. Your community can ask to keep the old configuration on your wiki before this change happens. This needs to be done by [insert date] at T355639.

@Iniquity
For Tech News, what date should I put in the [insert date]?

In T355639#9572603, @Iniquity wrote:

In T355639#9570311, @UOzurumba wrote:

Future change: The right to change [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Tags|edit tags]] (<code>changetags</code>) will be removed from users and bots by default in Wikimedia sites. Your community can ask to keep the old configuration on your wiki before this change happens. This needs to be done by [insert date] at T355639.

@Iniquity
For Tech News, what date should I put in the [insert date]?

Hi :) This is hard question, @Jdforrester-WMF, can you help with it?

I put before the end of March. Hopefully, this is fine. Thanks!

In T355639#9573621, @UOzurumba wrote:

Future change: The right to change [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Tags|edit tags]] (<code>changetags</code>) will be removed from users and bots by default in Wikimedia sites. Your community can ask to keep the old configuration on your wiki before this change happens. This needs to be done by [insert date] at T355639.

@Iniquity
For Tech News, what date should I put in the [insert date]?

In T355639#9572603, @Iniquity wrote:

In T355639#9570311, @UOzurumba wrote:

Future change: The right to change [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Tags|edit tags]] (<code>changetags</code>) will be removed from users and bots by default in Wikimedia sites. Your community can ask to keep the old configuration on your wiki before this change happens. This needs to be done by [insert date] at T355639.

@Iniquity
For Tech News, what date should I put in the [insert date]?

Hi :) This is hard question, @Jdforrester-WMF, can you help with it?

I put before the end of March. Hopefully, this is fine. Thanks!

I also thought about this deadline. Thanks :)

In T355639#9561700, @IKhitron wrote:

One more question, please. If we "write it as a task on the Phabricator", as mentioned above, what are our chances to leave it on our wiki as is? You said nothing about this.

While we're waiting for the answer, one more question, please. When you say in the Tech News that "Your community can ask to retain the old configuration on your wiki before this change happens.", what do you expect? A local concensus? A request from random user? A request from somebody that actualy used this? Thank you.

In T355639#9574560, @IKhitron wrote:

In T355639#9561700, @IKhitron wrote:

One more question, please. If we "write it as a task on the Phabricator", as mentioned above, what are our chances to leave it on our wiki as is? You said nothing about this.

While we're waiting for the answer, one more question, please. When you say in the Tech News that "Your community can ask to retain the old configuration on your wiki before this change happens.", what do you expect? A local concensus? A request from random user? A request from somebody that actualy used this? Thank you.

For both questions, a link to the discussion on the wiki with a request to keep everything as it is + minimal consensus is enough.

In T355639#9574561, @Iniquity wrote:

In T355639#9574560, @IKhitron wrote:

In T355639#9561700, @IKhitron wrote:

One more question, please. If we "write it as a task on the Phabricator", as mentioned above, what are our chances to leave it on our wiki as is? You said nothing about this.

While we're waiting for the answer, one more question, please. When you say in the Tech News that "Your community can ask to retain the old configuration on your wiki before this change happens.", what do you expect? A local concensus? A request from random user? A request from somebody that actualy used this? Thank you.

For both questions, a link to the discussion on the wiki with a request to keep everything as it is + minimal consensus is enough.

Great, thanks a lot.

What is the chart attempting to show? e.g. on commonsiki it appears this will change from (bot, sysop) to (none)? Or is it currently manually at (bot,sysop) and it will change to (default) ((which will be bot,sysop))?

In T355639#9581695, @Xaosflux wrote:

Or is it currently manually at (bot,sysop) and it will change to (default) ((which will be bot,sysop))?

This

I request to cancel the change for hewiki, please. The community decided to ask this, in Village pump, with more than enough voices, at least 31 supported from 32 that participated. You can find the voting over here. Thank you.

Change #1013975 had a related patch set uploaded (by Jforrester; author: Jforrester):

[operations/mediawiki-config@master] Remove 'changetags' from default's user group, grant to +sysop and +bot

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1013975

@Jdforrester-WMF hi! :) Have we any blockers for your patch?