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Jan 9 2024

Pppery awarded T213626: Add option in Special:MergeHistory to drop some of the oldest edits of the destination a Like token.
Jan 9 2024, 4:05 PM · MediaWiki-MergeHistory

Apr 6 2020

Anthony_Appleyard added a comment to T20493: RFC: Unify the various deletion systems.

Moving rows about within or between tables would be easier if each table was not a single solid block of data, but with each row separate and the central body of the table as a list of n pointers, if the table has n rows. Then, for i = 1(1)n the i-th pointer points to the i-th row. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iliffe_vector

Apr 6 2020, 4:42 AM · MediaWiki-Revision-deletion, TechCom-RFC, Stewards-and-global-tools, MediaWiki-Page-deletion

Apr 5 2020

Anthony_Appleyard added a comment to T20493: RFC: Unify the various deletion systems.

When undeleting a page, you may have to pick which of multiple deleted pages with the same title you want to undelete

Apr 5 2020, 4:16 PM · MediaWiki-Revision-deletion, TechCom-RFC, Stewards-and-global-tools, MediaWiki-Page-deletion
Anthony_Appleyard added a comment to T20493: RFC: Unify the various deletion systems.

The technical implementation of that action must not move rows between tables.

Apr 5 2020, 1:38 PM · MediaWiki-Revision-deletion, TechCom-RFC, Stewards-and-global-tools, MediaWiki-Page-deletion
Anthony_Appleyard added a comment to T20493: RFC: Unify the various deletion systems.

The idea of "deleting" a revision is confusing.

Apr 5 2020, 1:13 PM · MediaWiki-Revision-deletion, TechCom-RFC, Stewards-and-global-tools, MediaWiki-Page-deletion
Anthony_Appleyard added a comment to T20493: RFC: Unify the various deletion systems.

AntiCompositeNumber wrote ::

... Complex history merges and history splits ... using a combination of page deletion, selective restoration, and page moves. Simple histmerges can be accomplished using Special:MergeHistory, but histsplits and complex histmerges can not. ...

Apr 5 2020, 3:11 AM · MediaWiki-Revision-deletion, TechCom-RFC, Stewards-and-global-tools, MediaWiki-Page-deletion

Apr 4 2020

Anthony_Appleyard added a comment to T20493: RFC: Unify the various deletion systems.

If "deleting" and "hiding" are amalgamated into one system, we will strongly need something to replace this difference :: when a page is moved, a non-"deleted" edit is moved and a "deleted" edit is not moved; but moving is not affected by whether or not each edit is "hidden".

Apr 4 2020, 8:32 PM · MediaWiki-Revision-deletion, TechCom-RFC, Stewards-and-global-tools, MediaWiki-Page-deletion
Anthony_Appleyard added a comment to T20493: RFC: Unify the various deletion systems.

Above is written:

Apr 4 2020, 4:44 AM · MediaWiki-Revision-deletion, TechCom-RFC, Stewards-and-global-tools, MediaWiki-Page-deletion

Feb 18 2020

Anthony_Appleyard added a comment to T213617: Selective delete of edits.

An important difference between deleting and hiding (as defined in the message above) is that, if a page is moved, hidden edits move along with it, but deleted edits do not move along with it. This is important in history-merging and history-splitting. @Setian @Aklapper @Izno . We need to keep both facilities: deleting and hiding.

Feb 18 2020, 11:56 AM · MediaWiki-Page-history, MediaWiki-Page-deletion

Feb 17 2020

Anthony_Appleyard added a comment to T213617: Selective delete of edits.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Deleting_part_of_of_page%27s_edit_history for this idea re-surfacing. I do much history-merging in the English Wikipedia, and in the course of that I have picked up a few things.

Feb 17 2020, 11:37 PM · MediaWiki-Page-history, MediaWiki-Page-deletion

Mar 2 2019

Anthony_Appleyard added a comment to T206587: Overhaul the undelete feature with a "pagearchive" table.

Many of the history-merge requests that I get are not suitable for Special:MergeHistory , but are done quicker (or only) by the old method. Please keep selective undelete of edits, and please add selective delete of edits. Removing the ability to selectively delete a page's non-deleted edits and also the ability to selectively undelete a page's deleted edits, would handcuff me badly. As well as requests for clean classical history-merges, I also get requests for various sorts of tidying-up after many sorts of unwise actions by users.

Mar 2 2019, 5:58 PM · MediaWiki-Page-history, MediaWiki-Page-diffs, MediaWiki-Page-deletion

Mar 1 2019

Anthony_Appleyard added a comment to T23312: Request for feature: RevisionMove.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Black_sheep/Archive_1#Moves,_merges,_history for a complicated job that I had on 11 October 2007 tidying up pages about "Black Sheep".

Mar 1 2019, 9:17 AM · MediaWiki-extension-requests

Feb 28 2019

Anthony_Appleyard added a comment to T23312: Request for feature: RevisionMove.

... and "deleted revision" could refer to either a revision that's in the archive table because ...

Feb 28 2019, 8:48 AM · MediaWiki-extension-requests
Anthony_Appleyard added a comment to T23312: Request for feature: RevisionMove.

In my experience, if I do not have selective delete of edits, I would certainly need selective undelete of edits like we have now.

Feb 28 2019, 6:22 AM · MediaWiki-extension-requests
Anthony_Appleyard added a comment to T23312: Request for feature: RevisionMove.

If there was a "selective revision move" feature ...

Feb 28 2019, 5:23 AM · MediaWiki-extension-requests

Feb 27 2019

Anthony_Appleyard added a comment to T213617: Selective delete of edits.

I have now read https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:RevisionDelete and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Revision_table

Feb 27 2019, 11:11 PM · MediaWiki-Page-history, MediaWiki-Page-deletion
Anthony_Appleyard added a comment to T213617: Selective delete of edits.

! In T213617#4987163, @Setian wrote:
Would you actually use a "delete them and rename them at the same time" option pretty frequently? What's an example of a situation where you would do that?

Feb 27 2019, 10:36 AM · MediaWiki-Page-history, MediaWiki-Page-deletion
Anthony_Appleyard added a comment to T213617: Selective delete of edits.
Feb 27 2019, 9:53 AM · MediaWiki-Page-history, MediaWiki-Page-deletion

Feb 26 2019

Anthony_Appleyard added a comment to T213617: Selective delete of edits.

In an edit history of non-deleted edits (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scuba&action=history ), the details of each edit include a small square check. That is to select edits to be hidden. But with some reprogramming it could also be used to select edits for other purposes.

Feb 26 2019, 1:57 PM · MediaWiki-Page-history, MediaWiki-Page-deletion

Feb 25 2019

Anthony_Appleyard added a comment to T213617: Selective delete of edits.

More simply :: sometimes in my work, I need to delete some edits of a page's edit history. But I cannot :: I must delete all of that page's edits, then undelete some of them. That wastes internet link time and Wikipedia server time. That is why selective delete is needed.

Feb 25 2019, 5:27 PM · MediaWiki-Page-history, MediaWiki-Page-deletion

Jan 30 2019

Anthony_Appleyard added a comment to T206587: Overhaul the undelete feature with a "pagearchive" table.

Other notes
I have written Proposal 1 at the Community Wishlist Survey 2019, ...
One administrator on Wikipedia who frequently does history merges is Anthony Appleyard. If either proposal passes, then that user would have to start using "Special:MergeAndMove" to do history merges, and would no longer need to "revert histmerge junk" after doing so.

Jan 30 2019, 9:43 AM · MediaWiki-Page-history, MediaWiki-Page-diffs, MediaWiki-Page-deletion
Anthony_Appleyard added a comment to T23312: Request for feature: RevisionMove.

If I am asked to history-merge page X (source) to page Y (destination), problems that arise are:-

  1. Edits made to X after the cut-and-paste event: redirects, BattyBot and other bot edits, edits by someone starting a new article on the subject X or on another subject also describable as X.
  2. Edits made to Y before the cut-and-paste event, often including redirects.
  3. Miscellaneous old or new pre-existing deleted edits listed at page name X or Y.
Jan 30 2019, 9:11 AM · MediaWiki-extension-requests
Anthony_Appleyard added a comment to T20493: RFC: Unify the various deletion systems.
In T20493#4446127, @GeoffreyT2000 wrote:
Jan 30 2019, 8:50 AM · MediaWiki-Revision-deletion, TechCom-RFC, Stewards-and-global-tools, MediaWiki-Page-deletion

Jan 18 2019

Anthony_Appleyard updated the task description for T214138: When deleting a page which has a talk page which is a redirect, the preview shows the latest edit on the redirect target talk page instead.
Jan 18 2019, 4:12 PM · MediaWiki-Redirects, MediaWiki-Page-deletion
Anthony_Appleyard renamed T214138: When deleting a page which has a talk page which is a redirect, the preview shows the latest edit on the redirect target talk page instead from When deleting a page which has a talk page which is a redirect, the preview shows the latest edit on the redirect target talk page instead to Fault in delete-a-page when the page being deleted has a talk page.
Jan 18 2019, 4:10 PM · MediaWiki-Redirects, MediaWiki-Page-deletion
Anthony_Appleyard updated the task description for T214138: When deleting a page which has a talk page which is a redirect, the preview shows the latest edit on the redirect target talk page instead.
Jan 18 2019, 4:04 PM · MediaWiki-Redirects, MediaWiki-Page-deletion
Anthony_Appleyard created T214138: When deleting a page which has a talk page which is a redirect, the preview shows the latest edit on the redirect target talk page instead.
Jan 18 2019, 6:17 AM · MediaWiki-Redirects, MediaWiki-Page-deletion

Jan 13 2019

Anthony_Appleyard updated the task description for T213621: Offer a way to go to the previous or next non-deleted edit in an edit history of a page.
Jan 13 2019, 7:03 AM · MW-1.36-notes (1.36.0-wmf.16; 2020-11-03), Platform Team Workboards (External Code Reviews), Patch-For-Review, MediaWiki-Page-history, MediaWiki-Page-diffs
Anthony_Appleyard updated the task description for T213621: Offer a way to go to the previous or next non-deleted edit in an edit history of a page.
Jan 13 2019, 7:03 AM · MW-1.36-notes (1.36.0-wmf.16; 2020-11-03), Platform Team Workboards (External Code Reviews), Patch-For-Review, MediaWiki-Page-history, MediaWiki-Page-diffs
Anthony_Appleyard updated the task description for T213619: Moving deleted edits while keeping them deleted.
Jan 13 2019, 6:57 AM · MediaWiki-Page-deletion
Anthony_Appleyard updated the task description for T213619: Moving deleted edits while keeping them deleted.
Jan 13 2019, 6:53 AM · MediaWiki-Page-deletion
Anthony_Appleyard updated the task description for T213619: Moving deleted edits while keeping them deleted.
Jan 13 2019, 6:52 AM · MediaWiki-Page-deletion

Jan 12 2019

Anthony_Appleyard updated the task description for T213626: Add option in Special:MergeHistory to drop some of the oldest edits of the destination.
Jan 12 2019, 3:21 PM · MediaWiki-MergeHistory
Anthony_Appleyard updated the task description for T213626: Add option in Special:MergeHistory to drop some of the oldest edits of the destination.
Jan 12 2019, 3:21 PM · MediaWiki-MergeHistory
Anthony_Appleyard updated the task description for T213626: Add option in Special:MergeHistory to drop some of the oldest edits of the destination.
Jan 12 2019, 3:16 PM · MediaWiki-MergeHistory
Anthony_Appleyard updated the task description for T213618: Selective move of edits.
Jan 12 2019, 3:15 PM · MediaWiki-Page-history
Anthony_Appleyard updated the task description for T213617: Selective delete of edits.
Jan 12 2019, 3:13 PM · MediaWiki-Page-history, MediaWiki-Page-deletion
Anthony_Appleyard updated the task description for T213619: Moving deleted edits while keeping them deleted.
Jan 12 2019, 3:10 PM · MediaWiki-Page-deletion
Anthony_Appleyard created T213626: Add option in Special:MergeHistory to drop some of the oldest edits of the destination.
Jan 12 2019, 1:48 PM · MediaWiki-MergeHistory
Anthony_Appleyard created T213625: Add option to leave redirect in Special:MergeHistory.
Jan 12 2019, 1:45 PM · MediaWiki-MergeHistory
Anthony_Appleyard updated the task description for T213619: Moving deleted edits while keeping them deleted.
Jan 12 2019, 1:39 PM · MediaWiki-Page-deletion
Anthony_Appleyard updated the task description for T213617: Selective delete of edits.
Jan 12 2019, 1:24 PM · MediaWiki-Page-history, MediaWiki-Page-deletion
Anthony_Appleyard updated the task description for T213618: Selective move of edits.
Jan 12 2019, 1:16 PM · MediaWiki-Page-history
Anthony_Appleyard updated the task description for T213618: Selective move of edits.
Jan 12 2019, 1:16 PM · MediaWiki-Page-history
Anthony_Appleyard created T213621: Offer a way to go to the previous or next non-deleted edit in an edit history of a page.
Jan 12 2019, 10:11 AM · MW-1.36-notes (1.36.0-wmf.16; 2020-11-03), Platform Team Workboards (External Code Reviews), Patch-For-Review, MediaWiki-Page-history, MediaWiki-Page-diffs
Anthony_Appleyard created T213620: Idea for enhancements for en:Special:MergeHistory.
Jan 12 2019, 10:06 AM · MediaWiki-Page-history, MediaWiki-Page-diffs
Anthony_Appleyard created T213619: Moving deleted edits while keeping them deleted.
Jan 12 2019, 10:04 AM · MediaWiki-Page-deletion
Anthony_Appleyard created T213618: Selective move of edits.
Jan 12 2019, 9:59 AM · MediaWiki-Page-history
Anthony_Appleyard created T213617: Selective delete of edits.
Jan 12 2019, 9:51 AM · MediaWiki-Page-history, MediaWiki-Page-deletion

Jul 20 2018

Anthony_Appleyard added a comment to T20493: RFC: Unify the various deletion systems.

(1) One long-term fault is that an admin can't delete some edits of a page, but he must delete all the edits and then undelete the edits that he wants to stay undeleted. That wastes his time and Wikipedia's system time. This need arises if he is history-merging X (older page) to Y (newer page), and first he must lose from the end of X any stray late edits (e.g. redirects and BattyBot edits) made after the cut-and-paste event. This process is liable to accidents if the page already has deleted edits at the start of this process.
(2) Currently, moving a page only moves the undeleted (visible) edits. It would be useful if it was also possible to move only the deleted edits, when fishing deleted edits out from under visible edits , to prevent the sort of accident described at the end of (1).

Jul 20 2018, 9:00 PM · MediaWiki-Revision-deletion, TechCom-RFC, Stewards-and-global-tools, MediaWiki-Page-deletion