gangleri wrote:

screen dump for bug 04234

Attached:

gangleri wrote:

examples of "standard MediaWiki signature rendering" are available at
http://test.leuksman.com/view/User_talk:Gangleri#just_more_timestamps

gangleri wrote:

see he: example as the atachment
http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=1166&action=view
of Bug 4236: BiDi support for the personal toolbar

This report is confused and confusing. Bidi time issue? WTF?

gangleri wrote:

(In reply to comment #4)

This report is confused and confusing. Bidi time issue? WTF?

slowly
I hope you agree that in preferences you should offer only options / choices you
are *supporting*.

See the following scenario:
A user logs in at a wiki in English as FiverAlpha or commons and is changing the
user interface language to Hebrew.
He / she reloads the page.
He / she selects the date and time tab.

At the moment you are presentig the formats for time and date in Hebrew. So he /
she selects an option where Hebre text is included. This (the chosen option
using Hebrew text) is *not* what will be used later as only the "related" option
with text in English will be used.

If you change the MediaWiki code you must offer the options for "Time and date"
from the LanguageEn.php.

This means that you handle both MediaWiki messages from LanguageEn.php *and*
LanguageHe.php. This is the *BiDi* component of this bug report you would need
to take care.

I mentioned the possibility to show both the options in English and Hebrew
beside the selector buttons. This might be some help when you make your choice
in a language you are lost (hi:, ka: etc.).

best regards reinhardt [[user:gangleri]]

Just because you happened to select "he" instead of "fr" or "de" or "ja" doesn't make it "bidi".

"Bidi" means "bidirectional" and refers *specifically* to issues in which left-to-right and right-to-
left text are mixed. Just because there's language selection doesn't make it "bidi"; please stop
slapping "bidi" on everything.

The user time formatting option is only used in the UI, not in content. The default is used in
content. Timestamps in signatures are not formatted with the user option at all; they are formatted by
the default format for the content language. Changing your preferences has nothing to do with how they
are formatted, and will have no effect whatsoever.

gangleri wrote:

This was my mistake. I found bug 3856 comment 1 later (after posting this bug).
I never trayed this option before.

Now I could see that these options are relevant for the special pages as
recentchanges, contributions etc.

After one year of contributons it was not obvious to me that the setting "Date
format" at the tab "Date and time" in [[Special:Preferences]] is related to
special pages *only* / *mainly* / *mostly* .

An addtion "for special pages only" in "Date format" would give the necessery
hint to everybody.

I can confirm that the option works properly and this is *not* a BiDi bug. Sorry
of overwhelming you with these reports.

In the last weeks I focused mainly on these issues. If you take a look at
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&offset=0&limit=500&target=Brion_VIBBER&namespace=8&uselang=he
you will understand why.

Please let us find a way to fix these issues together. I have the time to make
extensive testings. You have the skills to fix the issues as soon as they are
identified. I do not like to spend your time with chacing "ghosts". Please
forgive me if I make a mistake from time to time.

Best regards reinhardt [[user:gangleri]]

gangleri wrote:

removed dependecy from bug 745 as it is not related to it