#mwstake

#mwstake meeting is tomorrow (Friday). E253

I'm having trouble joining. It says "account disabled". I'm joining as a guest.

I totally missed the meeting. Apologies. Are there notes somewhere?

It turned out to be just Mark and me doing a Google Hangout to get caught up. No notes. He's going to continue to work on MediaWiki Foundation incorporation and crowd funding. I'm going to look into using wmflabs for hosting mwstake.org and wikiapiary.

Sep 7th, 2016

@Mglaser (and others), I'm poking around with the WikiApiary scripts here: https://github.com/WikiApiary/wikibees

Sep 9th, 2016

Last night, I got a Terms of Service violation notice from Linode for this "attack". The problem is that WikiApiary isn't properly disabling the crawl when MediaWiki is removed or moved on the site. I had already opened this issue against the code, but it looks like this is more urgent, now.

Anyone want to help out here?

(BTW, I'm getting these notices on the admin address for mwstake. If anyone else wants to help monitor them, I'll add you to the address.)

Sep 20th, 2016

While we are at it: WikiApiary ignores the defunct flag. So if you really want to disable a site one has to remove the active flag. Sadly I am not a programmer ...

Sep 22nd, 2016

Hey, I have a super-secret (not really) thing to share. The Wikimedia Developer Summit will be opening up requests for invitation very soon. They're calling out third-party developers in the welcome message! Travel sponsorships are also available, so don't discount submitting a request. I'd really love to see the MW Stakeholders folks propose an activity and make plans to get the most out of the event.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Developer_Summit

P.S. I'll be there too! :)

Sep 25th, 2016

Am I allowed to sign up? I added myself on the page listed at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Groups/Proposals/MediaWiki_Cooperation#Contributors (since the MediaWiki Stakeholders Group page said to add yourself if you want to join if I understood it correctly), where I made a short introduction about myself. Thanks in advance :)

Sep 28th, 2016
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@SamathaNguyen, sorry for not responding sooner.

Yes, you are allowed to sign up. We're glad you found us!

Sep 29th, 2016
Oct 3rd, 2016

@MarkAHershberger Ah that's okay, thanks for the info! And I'm glad to be a member :)

Oct 4th, 2016

The call for participation is open for the Wikimedia Developer Summit. Deadline for submissions is 31 Oct.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Developer_Summit/Call_for_participation

Oct 11th, 2016

Please see my proposal for the DevSummit: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147892 . Any comments or improvements are welcome!

Who wants to propose the MWStake meeting?

Oct 12th, 2016

If you would like to attend the Wikimedia Developer Summit the deadline for applying for scholarships is 24 October! Request and invitation and let us know if you need assistance. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Developer_Summit

Oct 14th, 2016

@cicalese Since you mentioned hosting (E|S)?MWCon in DC, are there any dates that you have outlined yet?

@Mglaser, I'll propose the MWStake meeting.

@MarkAHershberger, I'm looking at the last week of March or the first week of April. Cherry blossom season! I still have some logistics to work out before I make it official.

Oct 23rd, 2016

Friday 4th is the #mwstake meetup: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/E255

Announcement sent to G+. Please help me come up with an agenda based on the things we discussed in Frankfurt (found on etherpad link).

Oct 30th, 2016

WikiApiary bees (the bots) are is periodically getting http timeouts. https://github.com/WikiApiary/wikibees/issues/7

Oct 31st, 2016

Howdy, would someone who's better informed like to respond to this? https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2016-October/045992.html

Nov 11th, 2016

WikiApiary now has a project on labs: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Wikiapiary

I need help moving the site to labs. Any volunteers?

i'd be interesting in helping! :)

Nov 13th, 2016

@SamanthaNguyen: Could you look at T149874: move WikiApiary to Labs and identify anything you could do?

@RHeigl, Any status on the MoU? What are the next steps? I've noted it in T149586: #mwstake meeting at the Developers Summit and would like to have an agreed document to help frame the discussion.

Oh oops, all of those tasks seem to be out of my range, sorry!

Nov 14th, 2016

@SamanthaNguyen -- even testing the site?

Nov 15th, 2016

Managed to skim past that actually, I can do that.

@MarkAHershberger Chris said, the best way to start is to reach out to Gretchen Yen, Kathrine's assistant to ask how we get some of her time. But it's important to tie our MoU to the strategy and provide a strong narrative/story about why this is important to the foundation and overall movement. I would contact Gretchen. Becaus in my opinion our latest version (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M13lfsYS4LtsjMV_Npsb06GKLVQQ3hpgdpDtVyOYqWw/edit) includes all we need. Ready to go?

@RHeigl, I think we're ready to go. We can add more if needed, but I'd really like to try this out. Thanks!

Nov 18th, 2016
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Call for participation is out for Wikimedia Conference 2017 in Berlin: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2017 . MWStake is currently marked as eligible but not ready to register. I am working on this. In particular, I am working on our annual report which should also prove we had recent activity (link will be posted as soon as there is a draft).

Nov 19th, 2016

(Very drafty) draft report: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group/Annual_Report_2016 Please add notable (and seemingly unnotable) focus items, outputs and meetings I did not mention yet.

Also, I would like to mention that none of us was sponsored to go to the great "we want to reach out to the wider community"-developer summit. How can we do this in a diplomatic way? Any ideas?

Sorry i dont speak inglish i speak portuguese

Nov 21st, 2016

Save the Date: EMWCon Spring 2017, March 8-10, 2017 in McLean, VA, USA - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/EMWCon_Spring_2017

Nov 24th, 2016

I did some more work on our annual report: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group/Annual_Report_2016. This is a good time for anyone in this group to go over the report and add additional ressources, such as talks, slides or other output I may have missed. Feel free to add direectly to the page. Also, it's perfectly ok to improve my wording. The report has to be officially published by Nov 30, and it will get some attention, as we are required to announce it on some mailing lists. So this is also a very good opportunity to show what we have achieved.

I did some more work on our annual report: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group/Annual_Report_2016. This is a good time for anyone in this group to go over the report and add additional ressources, such as talks, slides or other output I may have missed. Feel free to add direectly to the page. Also, it's perfectly ok to improve my wording. The report has to be officially published by Nov 30, and it will get some attention, as we are required to announce it on some mailing lists. So this is also a very good opportunity to show what we have achieved.

Ooops. Lesson learned: do not hit enter twice.

Nov 29th, 2016

Last chance to comment on the our annual report: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group/Annual_Report_2016 I will publish it probably later today.

I just made a small edit. Thank you for putting this together. It looks good.

Hrmmm... Now I'm gonna have to look at Chris' edit. I made one earlier. Looks good, Markus!

Oh, and we have a meeting this week: E256

Thanks for your help!

Who of us owns the @mwstakeholders twitter account? Maybe you can post a link to the report?

Nov 30th, 2016

Could @mwstakeholders reveal who they are? Seems like linking to {E256} would be appropriate...

Dec 2nd, 2016

If you were ever wondering which MedaiWiki skins were the most popular on Wikimedia sites: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147696

Dec 13th, 2016

Of note, you can propose and vote for questions to the CTO and VP of Product in advance of the event. Please do so!

Dec 22nd, 2016

@cicalese, @Ckoerner, @Lex and any others who will be at the January conference. Please add your interest to T147892

Jan 1st, 2017

I’ve updated the task T1030 (contact rianjs about feedback for an hg repository): Rian did it for his own installation and didn’t get of a lot of comments. Possibly we can discuss about setting up an hg repo, else close the task until someone is really interested by an hg repo.

Jan 6th, 2017

I posted a quick recap of Stakeholder and MediaWiki news and events.

I posted a quick recap of Stakeholder and MediaWiki news and events.

I'm so excited I posted that twice!

As I was saying: Please have a look and I encourage your participation! http://mwstake.org/mwstake/wiki/Blog_Post:47

Jan 9th, 2017

There was an interesting discussion at the dev summit regarding creating (and working on) a developer wishlist.

There was an interesting discussion at the dev summit regarding creating (and working on) a developer wishlist.

Jan 10th, 2017

Gabriel would like feedback on T154535 since it is meant to influence how MW is installed

Jan 11th, 2017
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Jan 21st, 2017

There is a fascinating discussion on a private mailing list that I'm on right now about alternative structures for organisations like #mwstake. I am going to see if I can share it with you all. I'm sure that @LawExplorer, at least, would be interested.

One thing it made me think of was liability. What sort of protections does a 501(c)(6) have for liability?

Jan 22nd, 2017

Interesting. What is the structure now and what are some alternatives?

Interesting. What is the structure now and what are some alternatives?

Jan 23rd, 2017

Hey all, at the Wikimedia Developer Summit work started to create a developer wishlist. It's a great opportunity to express ideas for improving the environment for development with/in/around MediaWiki. I wrote up a little blog post about it on mwstake.org. Please consider getting involved. It's a monumental opportunity to get eyes on problems we all share: http://mwstake.org/mwstake/wiki/Blog_Post:48

Jan 26th, 2017

@Xephyr826: Right now #mwstake is simply an un-incorporated, WMF-affiliated user group. We're working on incorporating. Till now, the thought has been to use a US-based 501c6 (something like a professional organisation) as the legal structure for incorporation.

I'll summarize the mailing list discussion this weekend, but there are definite advantages to thinking about other structures.

Thanks, for the update!

Jan 27th, 2017
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Jan 31st, 2017

Hello all. Today is the deadline for the Developer wishlist. I know a few of us added some wishes. If you haven't, please do so now :). Quim also suggested to add a tag to the wishes which are of particular interest for us: MediaWiki-Stakeholders-Group . I suggest we start using this tag for all wishes that were made by members of the group.

Can somebody check the feature wishlist and add some additional wishes, if needed?

Feb 6th, 2017

Quick head's up: Voting for the developer wishlist is open until 23:59 UTC 14 February.
http://buff.ly/2lgOH5A

Feb 8th, 2017

More (biased and totally my opinion) good news. "Wikimedia Cloud Services: new team, new name, renewed focus": https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-February/086343.html

Don't forget the meeting this Friday: Please add anything you want covered to the etherpad. https://mwstake.org/mwstake/wiki/Event:51

Feb 9th, 2017

For the Vienna hackathon, we will probably have a 6 hour track. As a working topic, we might do something like "The potential of MediaWiki". I suggest we have 6 sessions, 45 minutes each. Next week, we promised to give the organisers a rough idea of the programme. So for our call tomorrow, can we talk about this? Who has potential sessions to offer? What topics should we cover?

Feb 12th, 2017

As promised, the daily reminder ;): What should be talk about at the Vienna hackathon? Any current issues with MW 1.28? Use cases? General discussions about the state of MediaWiki? What else? I'm open to any suggestion. Ah, and you do not necessarily have to present, it's ok to just suggest a topic. You can also PM me in case discretion is neede: glaser@hallowelt.com

Feb 13th, 2017

I would like there to be discussion of a MediaWiki dashboard akin to the WordPress dashboard that would allow installation/upgrade of MediaWiki and its extensions. The discussion could include a feasibility analysis, requirements gathering, and implementation options.

@cicalese, proposed outcome: an RFC for the dashboard. Political note: don't mention WordPress.

(I mean, when writing the RFC, don't mention WP.)

Feb 14th, 2017

Yes, both points make sense.

Feb 17th, 2017

Thanks @cicalese, I added your proposal to the programme. Any other ideas?

I would have to do more work on the installation and UI, but I could see another presentation on the git-remote for MediaWiki

@Lex: perhaps you could show how you would like it to work? I should ask Daren at NASA the same thing…

@MarkAHershberger, you're giving that presentation at EMWCon in three weeks, too, right?

cicalese writes:

@MarkAHershberger, you're giving that presentation at EMWCon in three
weeks, too, right?

Hmm.... Since you're a friend and you asked…

I was afraid that it would be getting stale, but more eyes never hurt.

I guess I would have to work on simplifying it some more. In the meantime, @Lex and I discovered that git-over-http uses WebDAV, something BlueSpice has incorporated. That would be an interesting addition.

Thanks, Mark! This is a new audience, so I think it would be a good chance to get additional feedback.

Feb 20th, 2017

@Mglaser Vienna hackathon topic: asking somone at $CLIENT. Pretty sure $CLIENT won't approve travel, but maybe we can get them there anyway.