Could @mwstakeholders reveal who they are? Seems like linking to {E256} would be appropriate...

Dec 2nd, 2016

If you were ever wondering which MedaiWiki skins were the most popular on Wikimedia sites: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147696

Dec 13th, 2016

Of note, you can propose and vote for questions to the CTO and VP of Product in advance of the event. Please do so!

Dec 22nd, 2016

@cicalese, @Ckoerner, @Lex and any others who will be at the January conference. Please add your interest to T147892

Jan 1st, 2017

I’ve updated the task T1030 (contact rianjs about feedback for an hg repository): Rian did it for his own installation and didn’t get of a lot of comments. Possibly we can discuss about setting up an hg repo, else close the task until someone is really interested by an hg repo.

Jan 6th, 2017

I posted a quick recap of Stakeholder and MediaWiki news and events.

I posted a quick recap of Stakeholder and MediaWiki news and events.

I'm so excited I posted that twice!

As I was saying: Please have a look and I encourage your participation! http://mwstake.org/mwstake/wiki/Blog_Post:47

Jan 9th, 2017

There was an interesting discussion at the dev summit regarding creating (and working on) a developer wishlist.

There was an interesting discussion at the dev summit regarding creating (and working on) a developer wishlist.

Jan 10th, 2017

Gabriel would like feedback on T154535 since it is meant to influence how MW is installed

Jan 11th, 2017
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Jan 21st, 2017

There is a fascinating discussion on a private mailing list that I'm on right now about alternative structures for organisations like #mwstake. I am going to see if I can share it with you all. I'm sure that @LawExplorer, at least, would be interested.

One thing it made me think of was liability. What sort of protections does a 501(c)(6) have for liability?

Jan 22nd, 2017

Interesting. What is the structure now and what are some alternatives?

Interesting. What is the structure now and what are some alternatives?

Jan 23rd, 2017

Hey all, at the Wikimedia Developer Summit work started to create a developer wishlist. It's a great opportunity to express ideas for improving the environment for development with/in/around MediaWiki. I wrote up a little blog post about it on mwstake.org. Please consider getting involved. It's a monumental opportunity to get eyes on problems we all share: http://mwstake.org/mwstake/wiki/Blog_Post:48

Jan 26th, 2017

@Xephyr826: Right now #mwstake is simply an un-incorporated, WMF-affiliated user group. We're working on incorporating. Till now, the thought has been to use a US-based 501c6 (something like a professional organisation) as the legal structure for incorporation.

I'll summarize the mailing list discussion this weekend, but there are definite advantages to thinking about other structures.

Thanks, for the update!

Jan 27th, 2017
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Jan 31st, 2017

Hello all. Today is the deadline for the Developer wishlist. I know a few of us added some wishes. If you haven't, please do so now :). Quim also suggested to add a tag to the wishes which are of particular interest for us: MediaWiki-Stakeholders-Group . I suggest we start using this tag for all wishes that were made by members of the group.

Can somebody check the feature wishlist and add some additional wishes, if needed?

Feb 6th, 2017

Quick head's up: Voting for the developer wishlist is open until 23:59 UTC 14 February.

Feb 8th, 2017

More (biased and totally my opinion) good news. "Wikimedia Cloud Services: new team, new name, renewed focus": https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-February/086343.html

Don't forget the meeting this Friday: Please add anything you want covered to the etherpad. https://mwstake.org/mwstake/wiki/Event:51

Feb 9th, 2017

For the Vienna hackathon, we will probably have a 6 hour track. As a working topic, we might do something like "The potential of MediaWiki". I suggest we have 6 sessions, 45 minutes each. Next week, we promised to give the organisers a rough idea of the programme. So for our call tomorrow, can we talk about this? Who has potential sessions to offer? What topics should we cover?

Feb 12th, 2017

As promised, the daily reminder ;): What should be talk about at the Vienna hackathon? Any current issues with MW 1.28? Use cases? General discussions about the state of MediaWiki? What else? I'm open to any suggestion. Ah, and you do not necessarily have to present, it's ok to just suggest a topic. You can also PM me in case discretion is neede: glaser@hallowelt.com

Feb 13th, 2017

I would like there to be discussion of a MediaWiki dashboard akin to the WordPress dashboard that would allow installation/upgrade of MediaWiki and its extensions. The discussion could include a feasibility analysis, requirements gathering, and implementation options.

@cicalese, proposed outcome: an RFC for the dashboard. Political note: don't mention WordPress.

(I mean, when writing the RFC, don't mention WP.)

Feb 14th, 2017

Yes, both points make sense.

Feb 17th, 2017

Thanks @cicalese, I added your proposal to the programme. Any other ideas?

I would have to do more work on the installation and UI, but I could see another presentation on the git-remote for MediaWiki

@Lex: perhaps you could show how you would like it to work? I should ask Daren at NASA the same thing…

@MarkAHershberger, you're giving that presentation at EMWCon in three weeks, too, right?

cicalese writes:

@MarkAHershberger, you're giving that presentation at EMWCon in three
weeks, too, right?

Hmm.... Since you're a friend and you asked…

I was afraid that it would be getting stale, but more eyes never hurt.

I guess I would have to work on simplifying it some more. In the meantime, @Lex and I discovered that git-over-http uses WebDAV, something BlueSpice has incorporated. That would be an interesting addition.

Thanks, Mark! This is a new audience, so I think it would be a good chance to get additional feedback.

Feb 20th, 2017

@Mglaser Vienna hackathon topic: asking somone at $CLIENT. Pretty sure $CLIENT won't approve travel, but maybe we can get them there anyway.

Feb 27th, 2017

For those who are planning on attending EMWCon next week, if you are arriving Tuesday and would like to meet for dinner, let me know. For those who aren't . . . join us!

Does anybody still need a hotel room for EMWCon? The Crowne Plaza contacted me wanting me to reserve a block of rooms for $219 a night. I won't bother doing so if nobody needs a room, but if it would be helpful, I can do so.

Mar 2nd, 2017

Sorry for not being able to join you there. Have a nice event!

Mar 3rd, 2017

The Wikimedia Foundation is hiring a Product Manager for MediaWiki. The job description was just posted. I know a few names in here that might be interested. :) https://boards.greenhouse.io/wikimedia/jobs/613548?gh_src=1u385n1#.WLl6V4hict2

Mar 14th, 2017

At the end of EMWCon, I asked people if they would like to be asked questions about their use of MW and how it could be improved. I have a list of people who have volunteered and I'd like to get your help with this: What sort of questions should we ask?

Here is a slide deck that I've started so we can organize this.

Please add any suggestions to the slide deck that you would like to ask Enterprise MW users.


Mar 15th, 2017

For our conference track at the Vienna Hackathon, I'd like to open up the program and issue a call for participation, which we could spread over the mailing lists. I have to check with the hackathon organizers if that is ok, but I think it should be. Is everybody fine with this?

Mar 16th, 2017
Mar 18th, 2017

@Ckoerner I did not include you in the program committe to avoid potential CoIs. If you want to be part of it, just add yourself.

Mar 19th, 2017
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Mar 20th, 2017

I got a message on my mw.org talk page:

Hi, I'm one of the 3 Meta Coordinators. Our task is to help various communities (track B) during the strategy process. Do you know if the MediaWiki Stakeholders' Group is going to create on this wiki a page dedicated for the discussions about the strategy so that anyone from the tech community could participate? If not, then one of us will do it. Thanks in advance for any reply! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 21:26, 16 March 2017 (UTC)


Mar 21st, 2017

@cicalese Yes, we should do that. :)

(As an aside, I'd like to also discuss moving away from mwstake.org and start using MediaWiki.org more.)

Aaand that's the best segue I can muster into this: https://mwstake.org/mwstake/wiki/Blog_Post:50

A quick news roundup I wrote for things that are happening!

@Mglaser Thank you for being considerate of my COI and omitting me. :) You did a great job putting that together. Very excited!

Mar 22nd, 2017

@Ckoerner OK, so how should we go about creating and advertising that page? I'm guessing it should be a Flow page. It could probably use some preamble text. It should probably be a subpage of . . . something. Would it be "owned" (whatever that means in this context) by MediaWiki-Stakeholders-Group? It sounds like it has a broader mission past just this group: "anyone from the tech community". So, I guess this means that MediaWiki-Stakeholders-Group is offering to set up and manage this page for the broader MediaWiki community. The next question is, once we have set the page up, do we need to have a plan to curate, initiate discussions, and advertise the page?

Re: moving away from mwstake.org, we initially set it up as a showplace for some of our "enterprise" approaches. I'm not sure that it has really done that effectively, since I set it up quickly and haven't had any time to really give it any TLC. The fact that it requires login is problematic; although it showcases in a limited way the enterprise approach to attributed contribution, it drastically limits community contribution. So, I am definitely in favor of hosting pages such as the one discussed above on mediawiki.org. And, maybe our calendar could be more easily managed on mediawiki.org. I'd still like to think about having some sort of showcase that hosts and demonstrates the utility of extensions that are not on mediawiki.org (yet).

@Ckoerner Great blog post! Thanks!

Apr 3rd, 2017

@cicalese Yeah, I'm not sure how to create the page in question, but SGrabarczuk would know! Heck, even if we start something as a subpage under a User: page we can always move the content. I think if we start it we can help promote through our channels we already use. That and the strategy pages are all interlinked and we'll have many folks stopping by that we don't reach out to purposefully.

Semi-related good news: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2017-April/046462.html

I agree that mwstake.org can have some value, but it appears that at the moment we don't have the capacity to do that. It also hurts visibility with folks who aren't currently involved in having our stuff off of mediawiki.org. Maybe we can talk about this on friday at the monthly meeting?

Is anyone submitting a MediaWiki-related submission for Wikimania? I was going to do one that would cover interesting ways MediaWiki is being used outside of Wikimedia wikis. A showcase as it were.

I don't want to conflict with anyone's plans and would be happy to acquiesce if there are other plans in flight. :)

@Ckoerner already pointed us to this thread on mediawiki-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2017-April/046462.html. They are currently discussing external funding of features wished by third parties. I already replied, but the thread could easily do with some more contributions from the stakeholders.

@Ckoerner, /me is not going to Wikimania, so I won't get in your way ;)

btw, the deadline for the "Fantastic MediaWiki" hackathon track is on Wednesday. We already have on contribution ;) Please consider adding a session or promoting the Call for Participation: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2017-April/046462.html

Apr 4th, 2017

In case anyone has missed it, there is a meeting this Friday on Bluejeans: {E336}

@Ckoerner, I'll be at Wikimania. After EMWCon, I made contact with a few larger users of MW and scheduled interviews. I hope to have something to share from those interviews. Perhaps I could help add to yours?

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What are you planning on discussing Friday?

Apr 5th, 2017
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@Jamesmontalvo3, I'll have that up today.

Apr 6th, 2017

I've added an #mwstake discussion page for the Wikimedia Strategy 2017: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group/Wikimedia_Strategy_2017_Discussion. The idea is to allow folks with an interest in MediaWiki to have a place to discuss and have input into the Strategy. The next step would be to advertise the page. Ultimately, discussion from the page would be summarized on meta. I won't be able to attend the meeting tomorrow, but please discuss advertising the page. Thanks!

I'm not going to be able to make this time period tomorrow, seems to happen pretty often for me. Do you do the meetings on a consistent day, so I can block it off in the future?

@Jamesmontalvo3: first Friday of the month at 9am Central.

Except when I'm lazy and we have it on the second Friday.

got it. blocked off for the rest of the year...hopefully it stays that way!

Apr 9th, 2017
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@MarkAHershberger : Thanks for the add. Missed the meeting yesterday, but I'll try to make the next one.

May 2nd, 2017

The Wikimedia Foundation Technology and Product Q&A Session #2 by Victoria Coleman (CTO) and Toby Negrin (Interim VP of Product) is Tuesday May 9, 2017, at 17:00 UTC via YouTube live.

Link to live YouTube stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4kfgU9SZcg

IRC channel for questions/discussion: #wikimedia-office

Set up a #mwstake meeting for this Friday. See you there! E555

May 9th, 2017

Awesome to hear Victoria mention the MediaWiki Stakeholders' Group and EMWCon several times during her Q&A today!

May 10th, 2017

Yay! I feel we are gaining some momentum.

May 24th, 2017

Here's a little summary of the Fantastic MediaWikis track: https://mwstake.org/mwstake/wiki/Blog_Post:51

Nice summary! I wish I could have been there!

May 27th, 2017

There were some blog posts about the "Fantastic MediaWikis" track so far: https://mwstake.org/mwstake/wiki/Blog_Post:51#Coverage . Please add any coverage you find to the linked page

May 29th, 2017

E578 -- #mwstake meeting this Frieday