#mwstake

Several questions about the upcoming SMWCon in Rotterdam. With my #mwstake hat on: which #mwstake folks will be attending? Shall we try to have an in person meeting? How about a mini hackathon (suggestions? LDAP extensions?) either on the first day or the Saturday after the conference (although location could be a challenge for the latter). Due to the oddities of airline tickets, it was significantly less expensive for me to return home Sunday, so I will be around Saturday.

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And, with my WMF hat on: I was thinking of giving a talk at SMWCon. Is there anything WMF-related that you all think might be useful for me to talk about?

Aug 17th, 2017

Hi Cindy. All about the MediaWiki Platform Group would be very interesting. Actually I know only, that it exists and read about some important tasks. But how does it work together with TechCom and other groups? What are current projects etc.? What are your experiences after 100 days of MediaWiki product management? :-)

Aug 22nd, 2017

A quick note about something folks might want to participate in tomorrow: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting

Thanks, @RHeigl. Great suggestions.

Aug 26th, 2017

Note especially that one of the three strategic goals is:

The infrastructure for open: We will empower individuals and institutions to participate and share, through open standards, platforms, and datasets. (...) We will be a leading advocate and partner for increasing the creation, curation, and dissemination in free and open knowledge.

which seems highly relevant for 3rd-party MediaWiki support.

Aug 31st, 2017

#mwstake meeting tomorrow: E581

Please check the etherpad

Sep 1st, 2017
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Will this be a "Live from Rotterdam, It's #mwstake" meeting?

As @Tgr said above, the Wikimedia movement strategic direction is very relevant to 3rd party MediaWiki developers and users. Right now, the strategic direction is being drafted. From Nicole Ebber, "Informed by all the valuable feedback from Wikimania, the Meta talk page and the source pages, the drafting group is currently working on a new iteration of the draft strategic direction and is aiming for publication in early-mid September. Everyone will then have 2 weeks time to comment on this new version. If all goes according to plan, the final direction will be published by the end of September. Please continue reviewing the draft and tell us what you like or dislike about it! [1] The endorsement will happen in October, and I would like to encourage you all to already think about how your organization or group can come to an agreement on endorsing it."
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Direction

Sep 20th, 2017

All, please consider submitting a position statement for the Developer Summit, which will be in San Francisco January 22 and 23. The deadline to submit a position statement, which is required to be considered to attend the summit, is September 29. Position statements are 100-500 words. We are actively seeking a diverse set of voices, and I encourage your participation!

Sep 21st, 2017
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Sep 27th, 2017

I just submitted my position paper for the Dev Summit. Have you? They are due on Friday. You only need 100-500 words. You can do it!

I've done mine. No idea if it's any good! :)

Oct 10th, 2017

E582 -- so we can make up for missing last week

Oct 13th, 2017
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Nov 2nd, 2017

Reminder: #mwstake meeting tomorrow E583

Nov 3rd, 2017
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today's lesson: timezone is a mess

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As Mark mentioned in the second meeting this morning, you can subscribe to the phabricator event to get notifications: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/E555

There was obviously some confusion about the start time. The meetings will be held on the first Friday of the month at 16:00 UTC. The event calendar at https://mwstake.org will be kept up to date.

Correction: the phabricator event has not yet been updated with the new reality.

Nov 8th, 2017

There should probably have been a contact to mwstake prior to this: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2017-November/046953.html

However this could be another source of people getting active here.

Seems a bit of a duplication of the Discourse installation?

(which is still offline, though)

Nov 9th, 2017

Never heard of that one. Will have a peep as soon as it is online again. :)

btw anyone knows what happened to mwusers.com?

good question. I reckon any new off-wiki forum should have accessible dumps of some sort available

to avoid losing things when e.g. domain names don't get renewed or hosting doesn't get paid :)

Nov 13th, 2017

What's the best place to point people to who want to post MediaWiki job ads?

Nov 16th, 2017

Some of the most recommended portals are:
http://digitalnomad-jobfinder.com/

Nov 17th, 2017

No, I was thinking of something MediaWiki-specific to point out to people who send MediaWiki job ads to me. Do we not have any forum for MediaWiki consultants at all? (There is a LinkedIn group but I'm not convinced the people you'd find there are better than what you can get with a random Google search.)

In other news, I wrote a devsummit position statement about MediaWiki for the enterprise, but then went with a different proposal (in part because I suspected someone else will make that point, and my other proposal is sort of complimentary). I hope it will be possible to have a devsummit discussion on the topic anyway, and I'd appreciate feedback on the position statement (or, especially, additional data points): https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Tgr_(WMF)/Make_MediaWiki_commercially_viable

i like the title :)

Great statement, @Tgr! I also hope to have that discussion at the Dev Summit. Speaking on behalf of the Program Committee, we are currently working on categorizing the position statements so we can organize them into sessions.

Nov 19th, 2017

@Tgr That are three very good statements. Markus Glaser will be at the summit and address this topic.

Nov 20th, 2017
Nov 23rd, 2017
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@Tgr I've just read your devsummit piece. It seems I'm trying to do a similar thing but from the other direction ie from the ground up with what is already available off the shelf rather than pre-packaged and added stuff. The pages here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Intranet will eventually become my company intranet wiki's formal installation and maintenance reference. My main aim is for maximum function with minimal configuration. I try to stick to defaults wherever possible.

Nov 29th, 2017

Please update etherpad with anything you think we should cover https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/mwstake-2017-12

@MarkAHershberger Is this at 10am CST? I don't want to miss it!

Nov 30th, 2017

Hey all, I am collecting items for our annual report. Are there any Extensions, projects, commits, relevant discussions, workshops, talks, or anything else you can think of that we can put under the MWStake flag? The more code contributions, the better :). Maybe you can put them here either directly in the report or on the discussion page. I can do the details later. Ah, and as always: the earlier, the better :) Here's the link: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group/Annual_Report_2017

@Mglaser - I'm a little new around here but would love to contribute. As a current "outsider", MW Stake (as are all MW Groups) is a little bit opaque. Try reading this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group with newbie eyes. Note there is no "how to join us" or similar.

Dec 1st, 2017

@Gerdesj, yes, true. This is due to the fact that we do not (yet) have any kind of formal membership. If you participate in our meetings and discussions, you're in. But I agree with you that we should have a section "How to participate". Will put that on the agenda for today's meeting. Speaking of which: of course you are invited to join. See here for details: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/E773

Dec 2nd, 2017

@Mglaser - Thanks for that. I got a little tied up at work sadly (nearly literally - six switches and 300 odd patch leads with 15 VLANs to get right) . Cheers.

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Jan 6th, 2018

E775 - Changing back to half-past the hour

There should probably be some warning that most communication happens on other channels

Jan 16th, 2018

that's a wonderfully encouraging document :-)

Feb 1st, 2018

#mwstake meeting tomorrow: E775 be there, or update the etherpad

Is this always on Fridays now? Phabricator does not update the calendar exports when an event is edited and it's kinda hard to find out from the web interface what's recurring and what's not :/

Yes, it's always on Fridays. The Phabricator calendar was confused about the recurring task for a while. I'm not sure if that's fixed now. I'm not a fan of using Phabricator to manage the calendar.

a shared gcal would be nice

SMW can export icalendar feeds (that are updated as things change). Aren't all events listed on mwstake.org?

Feb 2nd, 2018

I do usually try to keep the calendar on mwstake.org updated, but this meeting was not yet up. I just added meetings through July. However, that calendar does not have a feature for folks to RSVP. If anybody wants to set up a shared gcal, that would be great.

Feb 23rd, 2018

E776 next Friday meeting. Please fill out the agenda on the etherpad.

Mar 5th, 2018

Hello! Sorry for not having pinged and participated for such a long time! I think some of you are coming to Barcelona by May. If some of you have some ideas about things to do or discuss, do not hesitate to propose: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/3260/ Let me know anything I can do to help as well

Mar 6th, 2018

I'll be there! Thanks for the suggestion. We should definitely discuss/propose what we'd like to do.

I was thinking of finding people interested on improving third-party authentication handling but wasn't sure if there are enough (or any) potential participants to make it worth proposing.

I'm interested in something to do with Ansible and better documentation for people getting their own MediaWikis running on a VPS

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Hi, do you have a suggestion how to announce T188745?

Also about an extension, bad for me, but I got aware of the problem with Lockdown extension just a few days ago https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T148582 This must be affecting many 3rd party private wikis. If this did not get solved before the event, I don't know if you think it could be interesting to propose to tackle...

@Tgr IMHO, I think you can propose, at least for feeling the interest about the participants in the topic...

Mar 7th, 2018

Another MediaWiki Stakeholders' News Roundup hot off the Publish button: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group/Blog/2018-03-07

Please add/correct any items as you see fit.

Mar 8th, 2018

Thank you for the News Roundup

Mar 30th, 2018

We've set up some new communication channels for this group on riot.im. They are listed at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group#Communication. Please come join the conversation there! I believe that our plan is to stop using this chat, but we can discuss this at next Friday's meeting. Reminder: we have a meeting next Friday.

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Mar 31st, 2018

E844 is next Friday. Don't forget. Please update the etherpad with anything you want discussed

Apr 12th, 2018

From: Edward Galvez <egalvez@wikimedia.org>
Subject: Reminder: Share you feedback in this Wikimedia survey

Hi everyone,

This is a friendly reminder about the Wikimedia Communities and Contributors Survey.
We have only heard from 50 Wikimedia volunteer developers. The survey will close Sunday 22 April 2018.

If you are volunteer developer, and have contributed code to any pieces of MediaWiki, gadgets, or tools, please complete the survey. The opinions you share will affect the work of the Wikimedia Foundation.

Follow this link to take the survey: https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_5ABs6WwrDHzAeLr?aud=DEV

If you have already seen a similar message on Phabricator, Mediawiki.org, Discourse, or other platforms for volunteer developers, please don't take the survey twice.
It is available in various languages and will take between 20 and 40 minutes to complete.

You can find more information about this survey on the project page and see how your feedback helps the Wikimedia Foundation support contributors like you. This survey is hosted by a third-party service and governed by this privacy statement. Please visit our frequently asked questions page to find more information about this survey.

Feel free to email me directly with any questions you may have.

Thank you!
Edward Galvez from the Community Engagement department
Wikimedia Foundation

Apr 20th, 2018

Just a reminder about the survey above. The survey will close Sunday.

Jun 3rd, 2018
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too bad - missed it

Jun 4th, 2018
Aug 6th, 2018

The Platform Evolution Program team is gathering input from a variety of groups with an interest in MediaWiki. This input will be provided to the Program Committee for the Wikimedia Technical Conference to assist them in designing the program for the conference. The MediaWiki Stakeholders' Group is helping the Platform Evolution Program team by coordinating responses from people and organizations who are using MediaWiki for non-Wikimedia projects.

Please add your input at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group/TechConf_Input by August 19, Thank you!

Sep 3rd, 2018
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