There is a fascinating discussion on a private mailing list that I'm on right now about alternative structures for organisations like #mwstake. I am going to see if I can share it with you all. I'm sure that @LawExplorer, at least, would be interested.
One thing it made me think of was liability. What sort of protections does a 501(c)(6) have for liability?
Hey all, at the Wikimedia Developer Summit work started to create a developer wishlist. It's a great opportunity to express ideas for improving the environment for development with/in/around MediaWiki. I wrote up a little blog post about it on mwstake.org. Please consider getting involved. It's a monumental opportunity to get eyes on problems we all share: http://mwstake.org/mwstake/wiki/Blog_Post:48
@Xephyr826: Right now #mwstake is simply an un-incorporated, WMF-affiliated user group. We're working on incorporating. Till now, the thought has been to use a US-based 501c6 (something like a professional organisation) as the legal structure for incorporation.
I'll summarize the mailing list discussion this weekend, but there are definite advantages to thinking about other structures.
Hello all. Today is the deadline for the Developer wishlist. I know a few of us added some wishes. If you haven't, please do so now :). Quim also suggested to add a tag to the wishes which are of particular interest for us: MediaWiki-Stakeholders-Group . I suggest we start using this tag for all wishes that were made by members of the group.
I added the tag for the wishes, which are compatible with our Featrue Wishlist: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group/Tasks/Feature_wishlist and Usage report: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Usage_Report_2015#Primary_requirements
For the Vienna hackathon, we will probably have a 6 hour track. As a working topic, we might do something like "The potential of MediaWiki". I suggest we have 6 sessions, 45 minutes each. Next week, we promised to give the organisers a rough idea of the programme. So for our call tomorrow, can we talk about this? Who has potential sessions to offer? What topics should we cover?
As promised, the daily reminder ;): What should be talk about at the Vienna hackathon? Any current issues with MW 1.28? Use cases? General discussions about the state of MediaWiki? What else? I'm open to any suggestion. Ah, and you do not necessarily have to present, it's ok to just suggest a topic. You can also PM me in case discretion is neede: email@example.com
@MarkAHershberger, you're giving that presentation at EMWCon in three
weeks, too, right?
Hmm.... Since you're a friend and you asked…
I was afraid that it would be getting stale, but more eyes never hurt.
I guess I would have to work on simplifying it some more. In the meantime, @Lex and I discovered that git-over-http uses WebDAV, something BlueSpice has incorporated. That would be an interesting addition.
The Wikimedia Foundation is hiring a Product Manager for MediaWiki. The job description was just posted. I know a few names in here that might be interested. :) https://boards.greenhouse.io/wikimedia/jobs/613548?gh_src=1u385n1#.WLl6V4hict2
At the end of EMWCon, I asked people if they would like to be asked questions about their use of MW and how it could be improved. I have a list of people who have volunteered and I'd like to get your help with this: What sort of questions should we ask?
Please add any suggestions to the slide deck that you would like to ask Enterprise MW users.
I got a message on my mw.org talk page:
Hi, I'm one of the 3 Meta Coordinators. Our task is to help various communities (track B) during the strategy process. Do you know if the MediaWiki Stakeholders' Group is going to create on this wiki a page dedicated for the discussions about the strategy so that anyone from the tech community could participate? If not, then one of us will do it. Thanks in advance for any reply! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 21:26, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
@Ckoerner OK, so how should we go about creating and advertising that page? I'm guessing it should be a Flow page. It could probably use some preamble text. It should probably be a subpage of . . . something. Would it be "owned" (whatever that means in this context) by MediaWiki-Stakeholders-Group? It sounds like it has a broader mission past just this group: "anyone from the tech community". So, I guess this means that MediaWiki-Stakeholders-Group is offering to set up and manage this page for the broader MediaWiki community. The next question is, once we have set the page up, do we need to have a plan to curate, initiate discussions, and advertise the page?
Re: moving away from mwstake.org, we initially set it up as a showplace for some of our "enterprise" approaches. I'm not sure that it has really done that effectively, since I set it up quickly and haven't had any time to really give it any TLC. The fact that it requires login is problematic; although it showcases in a limited way the enterprise approach to attributed contribution, it drastically limits community contribution. So, I am definitely in favor of hosting pages such as the one discussed above on mediawiki.org. And, maybe our calendar could be more easily managed on mediawiki.org. I'd still like to think about having some sort of showcase that hosts and demonstrates the utility of extensions that are not on mediawiki.org (yet).
@cicalese Yeah, I'm not sure how to create the page in question, but SGrabarczuk would know! Heck, even if we start something as a subpage under a User: page we can always move the content. I think if we start it we can help promote through our channels we already use. That and the strategy pages are all interlinked and we'll have many folks stopping by that we don't reach out to purposefully.
Semi-related good news: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2017-April/046462.html
I agree that mwstake.org can have some value, but it appears that at the moment we don't have the capacity to do that. It also hurts visibility with folks who aren't currently involved in having our stuff off of mediawiki.org. Maybe we can talk about this on friday at the monthly meeting?
@Ckoerner already pointed us to this thread on mediawiki-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2017-April/046462.html. They are currently discussing external funding of features wished by third parties. I already replied, but the thread could easily do with some more contributions from the stakeholders.
btw, the deadline for the "Fantastic MediaWiki" hackathon track is on Wednesday. We already have on contribution ;) Please consider adding a session or promoting the Call for Participation: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2017-April/046462.html
I've added an #mwstake discussion page for the Wikimedia Strategy 2017: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group/Wikimedia_Strategy_2017_Discussion. The idea is to allow folks with an interest in MediaWiki to have a place to discuss and have input into the Strategy. The next step would be to advertise the page. Ultimately, discussion from the page would be summarized on meta. I won't be able to attend the meeting tomorrow, but please discuss advertising the page. Thanks!
The Wikimedia Foundation Technology and Product Q&A Session #2 by Victoria Coleman (CTO) and Toby Negrin (Interim VP of Product) is Tuesday May 9, 2017, at 17:00 UTC via YouTube live.
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