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@Jamesmontalvo3, I'll have that up today.

Apr 6th, 2017

I've added an #mwstake discussion page for the Wikimedia Strategy 2017: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group/Wikimedia_Strategy_2017_Discussion. The idea is to allow folks with an interest in MediaWiki to have a place to discuss and have input into the Strategy. The next step would be to advertise the page. Ultimately, discussion from the page would be summarized on meta. I won't be able to attend the meeting tomorrow, but please discuss advertising the page. Thanks!

I'm not going to be able to make this time period tomorrow, seems to happen pretty often for me. Do you do the meetings on a consistent day, so I can block it off in the future?

@Jamesmontalvo3: first Friday of the month at 9am Central.

Except when I'm lazy and we have it on the second Friday.

got it. blocked off for the rest of the year...hopefully it stays that way!

Apr 9th, 2017
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@MarkAHershberger : Thanks for the add. Missed the meeting yesterday, but I'll try to make the next one.

May 2nd, 2017

The Wikimedia Foundation Technology and Product Q&A Session #2 by Victoria Coleman (CTO) and Toby Negrin (Interim VP of Product) is Tuesday May 9, 2017, at 17:00 UTC via YouTube live.

Link to live YouTube stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4kfgU9SZcg

IRC channel for questions/discussion: #wikimedia-office

Set up a #mwstake meeting for this Friday. See you there! E555

May 9th, 2017

Awesome to hear Victoria mention the MediaWiki Stakeholders' Group and EMWCon several times during her Q&A today!

May 10th, 2017

Yay! I feel we are gaining some momentum.

May 24th, 2017

Here's a little summary of the Fantastic MediaWikis track: https://mwstake.org/mwstake/wiki/Blog_Post:51

Nice summary! I wish I could have been there!

May 27th, 2017

There were some blog posts about the "Fantastic MediaWikis" track so far: https://mwstake.org/mwstake/wiki/Blog_Post:51#Coverage . Please add any coverage you find to the linked page

May 29th, 2017

E578 -- #mwstake meeting this Frieday

Jun 4th, 2017

Here is an attempt at a logo combining MediaWiki and Wikimedia colors (poorly done - I'm not good with SVGs):

Jun 6th, 2017

Thank you @Tgr. For all others: In the last call we talkes abput a small logo / icon for the Stakeholders to make activities visible. The original propsal was this one.

. This proposal is simply a standard WMF user group logo with a reworked MediaWiki sunflower, MediaWiki colors and two additional WMF colors (blue and green) - because MediaWiki has particular colors which don't suit to the WMF design. This is a result of the design history of MediaWiki and WMF.
We agreed, that extensive logo discussions wouldn't help us. We should decide in the near future, which one fits more, so that we can go ahead, with more important issues.
But I have first two questions for @Qgil: Can you help us to find out, if this logo has to be approved by someone in the foundation? And if there are any restrictions, the stakeholders have to consider using such a logo?

Personal remarks: I found Tgrs proposal also nice.

I don't think we should rush into a design. Is there a particular need to have one quickly?

Yes, it is. We must refresh two or three portals in the next tthree weeks with a new template, that fits to MediaWiki.org. For that we need an icon for MediaWiki Stakeholders stuff.
But: we're only talking about a few styleguides. And we're not redesigning MediaWiki! But of course those templates can and should be customized and by any other Mediawiki.org user. :-)

All we need: a definition of a handful of colors and a logo. That's it. ^^

What's the driver for the three week requirement?

I really like both of the logos. I like the addition of the globe in the center of @Tgr's logo. And, I like the introduction of the mw.org colors in @RHeigl's logo - although I can see benefit in staying with the standard WMF colors. I could be extremely happy with either.

Tighter deadines mean less bikeshedding :)

Cool stuff. If you ask me I like Tgr's proposal better because of the globe and the coloring is a bit more consistent I guess.

bikeshedding-- I like the colors on @Tgr's

@Jamesmontalvo3
Driver 1: Next Stakeholders call should have a closed action item, Driver 3: easy task and no solution lasting for the next centuries needed.

I hate this phabricator ....
Driver 2: Setup of our recent LDAP hub need some design, as the Stakeholders portal need one (some others too).

I'll ask Rado for another proposals in Tgr-style. ^^

The image above made no attempt at picking good colors. It was just a quick attempt at a logo that will stand out and be memorable

Of course aligning our icon with beef products may offend vegetarians. We could use an icon of a stake (as opposed to a steak), but this may offend witches and vampires. Perhaps if we took two stakes in an X over a steak it would indicate that we are neither supporting beef products nor threatening witches or vampires, and by using both steaks and stakes it would symbolize our support for all (steak|stake)holders. </sarcasm-but-also-sort-of-serious> :-)

I think we need to put the stakes on a platter to indicate that we are talking about stake HOLDERs. (I apologize for my bike-shedding, but I felt this was important to note.)

Mark...good point. Standby...

The intern here is in favor of the steak. (I told her to leave her own comment, but she said that it was too much work, so here I am...)

I'm afraid that if we made this a stake-holding logo (hand included, natch) that possible vampire members would *really* not want to participate.

Now that I've thought some more, and given we have to abide by the friendly space policy, I think we should dump the steaks and stakes and go back to @Tgr's original sunflower logo.

Holding steaks is unfriendly?

I was trying to be considerate of vegetarians.

Parsoid has got me down today...hence, procrastination.

Jun 7th, 2017

I had a jolly good laugh.

OK. Here two more variations.

I like the simplicity of @RHeigl's logos, and since simplicity is what happens with logos over time (see these examples, especially Apple, IBM, and Pepsi), they're probably better choices.

Jun 8th, 2017

I would suggest, that Mark, Markus and Cindy should decide how and which one. I'm too biased ^^

Jun 12th, 2017

Catch up on what's happening in the MedaiWIki world with the MediaWiki Stakeholders' June News Roundup - https://mwstake.org/mwstake/wiki/Blog_Post:52

(That took me way to long to get out, apologies)

Also, all these pictures of steaks is making me hungry.

Jun 23rd, 2017

As requested, yesterday Cindy, Mark and I came to a decision on the logo: We will use the simple sunflower with blue and orange circle: https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/bowwqjy3eqia6kaxky4i/PHID-FILE-qbvv2atzrjskbzolzi5r/MediaWiki-usergroups-logo01.png.

This is why:
• Soundness: Any logo suggestions involving a steak are definitely funny, but probably will not help us to be taken serious
• Simplicity: The sunflower is already very detail rich, adding hands or globes would make the logo more complicated and twitchy (<- not sure this is the correct word)
• Association: Using the WMF circle and general layout of user group logos associates us with the WMF
• Differentiation: Using the orange instead of red is more pleasing in combination with the sunflower; it is used on mw.o; we indicate we are a bit different from the WMF (red)

I will make the logo available on commons as soon as possible and post the link here.

Kghbln updated the room image.

Great, no objection. So I updated the respective logos.

Thanks! Perfect!

Jun 29th, 2017

Don't forget we have a #mwstake meeting next Friday: E579

Jul 6th, 2017

Reminder, #mwstake meeting tomorrow: E579 ... we have some updates about next springs EMWCon in Houston!

Jul 7th, 2017
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Next #MWStake: E580

I promised a report on the Wikimedia Strategy meeting, but today's strategy meeting was not relevant in a meaningful way to this group. I will be working on finding a way that we can contribute.

@cicalese could you put a note to that effect on the etherpad for the next meeting? E580

Jul 12th, 2017

I just moved all ~50 blog posts from mwstake.org to mediawiki.org

Since we don't have any fancy SMW on MW.org I could use some help making the template a little nicer.

I went with a YEAR-MONTH-DAY structure for posts. Not perfect, but easier to create an archive by date.

Jul 13th, 2017

Thank you, Chris!

Jul 18th, 2017

I put the recent blog posts on top of the MW portal page to promote them. Mission is now on a subpage. If the people think, they are helpfull, we can ask, if can post the recent ones on the MW.org mainpage.

@RHeigl -- page is looking pretty awesome. Thank you!

Aug 3rd, 2017

Don't forget the meeting this Friday: E580

Aug 4th, 2017
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Aug 7th, 2017

Thanks Mark for guiding me here... :) At Idea "MWStake Trusted Web of Colleagues (TWebC)" I am developing my thoughts in connection with "Ambassadors" in https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/mwstake-2017-08. I welcome any kind of comments.

Aug 16th, 2017

Another news roundup for folks that don't follow the gazillaion mailing lists, talk pages, and water cooler discussions. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group/Blog/2017-08-16

Thanks, Chris!

Several questions about the upcoming SMWCon in Rotterdam. With my #mwstake hat on: which #mwstake folks will be attending? Shall we try to have an in person meeting? How about a mini hackathon (suggestions? LDAP extensions?) either on the first day or the Saturday after the conference (although location could be a challenge for the latter). Due to the oddities of airline tickets, it was significantly less expensive for me to return home Sunday, so I will be around Saturday.

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And, with my WMF hat on: I was thinking of giving a talk at SMWCon. Is there anything WMF-related that you all think might be useful for me to talk about?

Aug 17th, 2017

Hi Cindy. All about the MediaWiki Platform Group would be very interesting. Actually I know only, that it exists and read about some important tasks. But how does it work together with TechCom and other groups? What are current projects etc.? What are your experiences after 100 days of MediaWiki product management? :-)

Aug 22nd, 2017

A quick note about something folks might want to participate in tomorrow: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting

Thanks, @RHeigl. Great suggestions.

Aug 26th, 2017

Note especially that one of the three strategic goals is:

The infrastructure for open: We will empower individuals and institutions to participate and share, through open standards, platforms, and datasets. (...) We will be a leading advocate and partner for increasing the creation, curation, and dissemination in free and open knowledge.

which seems highly relevant for 3rd-party MediaWiki support.

Aug 31st, 2017

#mwstake meeting tomorrow: E581

Please check the etherpad

Sep 1st, 2017
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Will this be a "Live from Rotterdam, It's #mwstake" meeting?

As @Tgr said above, the Wikimedia movement strategic direction is very relevant to 3rd party MediaWiki developers and users. Right now, the strategic direction is being drafted. From Nicole Ebber, "Informed by all the valuable feedback from Wikimania, the Meta talk page and the source pages, the drafting group is currently working on a new iteration of the draft strategic direction and is aiming for publication in early-mid September. Everyone will then have 2 weeks time to comment on this new version. If all goes according to plan, the final direction will be published by the end of September. Please continue reviewing the draft and tell us what you like or dislike about it! [1] The endorsement will happen in October, and I would like to encourage you all to already think about how your organization or group can come to an agreement on endorsing it."
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Direction

Sep 20th, 2017

All, please consider submitting a position statement for the Developer Summit, which will be in San Francisco January 22 and 23. The deadline to submit a position statement, which is required to be considered to attend the summit, is September 29. Position statements are 100-500 words. We are actively seeking a diverse set of voices, and I encourage your participation!

Sep 21st, 2017
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