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The purpose of this task is to explore a series of designs that seek to address the challenges and opportunities articulated in T269950, T255560, T267444, and T269963. We will use these designs to: 1. Clarify what kinds of changes are in scope and out of scope 2. Sequence and plan the phases in which we will introduce a series of discrete changes that will sum into a cohesive experience 3. Consult with volunteers to learn how the different design approaches could impact their existing workflows === Background People who are new to Wikipedia find it difficult to recognize talk pages as containing conversations and subsequently, how to make sense of and use the pages as the communication tool that they are.[i][ii][iii][iv][v] And people who are experienced editors of Wikipedia find it difficult see the range of topics being discussed on a talk page and the extent to which people are engaging with each of these topics.[vi] The purpose of this task is to **THINK BIG** and **BE GENERATIVE** about how we might approach this work. While we do have a few concrete interventions lined up, this task is helping us to think about the legibility of talk pages in a more holistic way. == Done This section contains what needs to be true in order for the task to be resolved - [ ] Exploratory mockups === References - Objectives of talk page legibility work and the research that's motivating it: [Talk_pages_project/Visual_enhancements](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Visual_enhancements) - Overview of interventions: [Talk pages project/Visual Refresh](https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1bXlDdpYVSmA0Sq8mkvMf7_JOQrORQJ1HwxSAadRHMxM/edit#slide=id.gb07fbc17ff_0_58) - Planned interventions -- Phase 1: `Topic Containers` --- [Prototype](https://patchdemo.wmflabs.org/wikis/aed6d63dcecc14ee69aa3c7405c32c4c/w/index.php/Talk:Main_Page) --- Spec (in progress): T269950 -- Phase 2: `Accentuate affordances` --- Spec (in progress): T255560 (Reply affordances) + T267444 (New discussion affordances) -- Phase 3: `Page frame` --- Spec (in progress): T269963 i. "Talk pages and their current configuration proved confusing, in part due to the unusual structure. Several users asked “where are the comments?” when first encountering the Talk page, and most had never seen a Talk page before. For these participants, it took more than 4-5 minutes to understand the Talk page itself which was “disorganised” making it “difficult to take part in the discussion.” via Understanding and Improving Wikipedia Article Discussion Spaces ii. When describing what happened after they added a new topic using the existing section=new form, usability test participant said, "It's published in that article or in that first thing." via Add topic control usability test iii. "I'm not exactly sure where exactly the discussion is." via Add topic control usability test iv. "I have no idea what button. I don't know what it means really to start a new discussion. Because none of this looks like a discussion." via Add topic control usability test v. "I felt I had to scan the page a lot for what i needed, as different elements didn't really stand out." vi. @Pelagic suggests showing metadata about each section (e.g. the number of comments, the number of participants, when the conversation (read: section) was started, when the conversations was last updated, etc.) | source

The purpose of this task is to explore a series of designs that seek to address the challenges and opportunities articulated in T269950, T255560, T267444, and T269963. We will use these designs to: 1. Clarify what kinds of changes are in scope and out of scope 2. Sequence and plan the phases in which we will introduce a series of discrete changes that will sum into a cohesive experience 3. Consult with volunteers to learn how the different design approaches could impact their existing workflows === Open questions //This section will contain a list of the design questions that surfaced during the process of creating the exploratory mockups.// - [ ] 1. - [ ] 2. - [ ] 3. === Background People who are new to Wikipedia find it difficult to recognize talk pages as containing conversations and subsequently, how to make sense of and use the pages as the communication tool that they are.[i][ii][iii][iv][v] And people who are experienced editors of Wikipedia find it difficult see the range of topics being discussed on a talk page and the extent to which people are engaging with each of these topics.[vi] The purpose of this task is to **THINK BIG** and **BE GENERATIVE** about how we might approach this work. While we do have a few concrete interventions lined up, this task is helping us to think about the legibility of talk pages in a more holistic way. == Done This section contains what needs to be true in order for the task to be resolved - [ ] Exploratory mockups for mobile and desktop are completed - [ ] All of the questions that surfaced in producing the exploratory mockups are documented in the `===Open questions` section above === References - Objectives of talk page legibility work and the research that's motivating it: [Talk_pages_project/Visual_enhancements](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Visual_enhancements) - Overview of interventions: [Talk pages project/Visual Refresh](https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1bXlDdpYVSmA0Sq8mkvMf7_JOQrORQJ1HwxSAadRHMxM/edit#slide=id.gb07fbc17ff_0_58) - Planned interventions -- Phase 1: `Topic Containers` --- [Prototype](https://patchdemo.wmflabs.org/wikis/aed6d63dcecc14ee69aa3c7405c32c4c/w/index.php/Talk:Main_Page) --- Spec (in progress): T269950 -- Phase 2: `Accentuate affordances` --- Spec (in progress): T255560 (Reply affordances) + T267444 (New discussion affordances) -- Phase 3: `Page frame` --- Spec (in progress): T269963 i. "Talk pages and their current configuration proved confusing, in part due to the unusual structure. Several users asked “where are the comments?” when first encountering the Talk page, and most had never seen a Talk page before. For these participants, it took more than 4-5 minutes to understand the Talk page itself which was “disorganised” making it “difficult to take part in the discussion.” via Understanding and Improving Wikipedia Article Discussion Spaces ii. When describing what happened after they added a new topic using the existing section=new form, usability test participant said, "It's published in that article or in that first thing." via Add topic control usability test iii. "I'm not exactly sure where exactly the discussion is." via Add topic control usability test iv. "I have no idea what button. I don't know what it means really to start a new discussion. Because none of this looks like a discussion." via Add topic control usability test v. "I felt I had to scan the page a lot for what i needed, as different elements didn't really stand out." vi. @Pelagic suggests showing metadata about each section (e.g. the number of comments, the number of participants, when the conversation (read: section) was started, when the conversations was last updated, etc.) | source

The purpose of this task is to explore a series of designs that seek to address the challenges and opportunities articulated in T269950, T255560, T267444, and T269963. We will use these designs to: 1. Clarify what kinds of changes are in scope and out of scope 2. Sequence and plan the phases in which we will introduce a series of discrete changes that will sum into a cohesive experience 3. Consult with volunteers to learn how the different design approaches could impact their existing workflows === Open questions //This section will contain a list of the design questions that surfaced during the process of creating the exploratory mockups.// - [ ] 1. - [ ] 2. - [ ] 3. === Background People who are new to Wikipedia find it difficult to recognize talk pages as containing conversations and subsequently, how to make sense of and use the pages as the communication tool that they are.[i][ii][iii][iv][v] And people who are experienced editors of Wikipedia find it difficult see the range of topics being discussed on a talk page and the extent to which people are engaging with each of these topics.[vi] The purpose of this task is to **THINK BIG** and **BE GENERATIVE** about how we might approach this work. While we do have a few concrete interventions lined up, this task is helping us to think about the legibility of talk pages in a more holistic way. == Done This section contains what needs to be true in order for the task to be resolved - [ ] Exploratory mockups for mobile and desktop are completed - [ ] All of the questions that surfaced in producing the exploratory mockups are documented in the `===Open questions` section above === References - Objectives of talk page legibility work and the research that's motivating it: [Talk_pages_project/Visual_enhancements](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk_pages_project/Visual_enhancements) - Overview of interventions: [Talk pages project/Visual Refresh](https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1bXlDdpYVSmA0Sq8mkvMf7_JOQrORQJ1HwxSAadRHMxM/edit#slide=id.gb07fbc17ff_0_58) - Planned interventions -- Phase 1: `Topic Containers` --- [Prototype](https://patchdemo.wmflabs.org/wikis/aed6d63dcecc14ee69aa3c7405c32c4c/w/index.php/Talk:Main_Page) --- Spec (in progress): T269950 -- Phase 2: `Accentuate affordances` --- Spec (in progress): T255560 (Reply affordances) + T267444 (New discussion affordances) -- Phase 3: `Page frame` --- Spec (in progress): T269963 i. "Talk pages and their current configuration proved confusing, in part due to the unusual structure. Several users asked “where are the comments?” when first encountering the Talk page, and most had never seen a Talk page before. For these participants, it took more than 4-5 minutes to understand the Talk page itself which was “disorganised” making it “difficult to take part in the discussion.” via Understanding and Improving Wikipedia Article Discussion Spaces ii. When describing what happened after they added a new topic using the existing section=new form, usability test participant said, "It's published in that article or in that first thing." via Add topic control usability test iii. "I'm not exactly sure where exactly the discussion is." via Add topic control usability test iv. "I have no idea what button. I don't know what it means really to start a new discussion. Because none of this looks like a discussion." via Add topic control usability test v. "I felt I had to scan the page a lot for what i needed, as different elements didn't really stand out." vi. @Pelagic suggests showing metadata about each section (e.g. the number of comments, the number of participants, when the conversation (read: section) was started, when the conversations was last updated, etc.) | source