Information regarding upcoming meeting
NOTE: For last meeting and minutes, see here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T192438.
When: 10th August, 2018
Time: 4pm - 5:30pm UTC
Where: #wikimedia-dev-africa on Freenode
Hosts: @rosalieper, @samuelguebo, @Flixtey, @D3r1ck01
Meeting Agenda
- Review of statistics for last month.
- Discussion awmd-stats/issues/28 Expand awmd-stats tool for use by other event organizers.
- Planning GCI (Google Code-In) 2018 Mentors from Africa.
- Sharing of resources to volunteer developers who need help getting involved (to be discussed by core Team members on Sunday)
- Difficulties faced by newbies/members interested in getting involved (but to be further discussed by core Team members on Sunday)
- Remarks and closing.
Meeting Logs
| 1 | 2018-08-10 16:01:27 <d3r1ck> Hello everyone! Meeting agenda can be found here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T192440. Welcome and we can begin! |
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| 2 | 2018-08-10 16:01:40 ** r054l13 joined channel |
| 3 | 2018-08-10 16:01:48 <d3r1ck> Hello everyone! Meeting agenda can be found here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T192440. Welcome and we can begin! |
| 4 | 2018-08-10 16:01:50 <r054l13> HEllo here |
| 5 | 2018-08-10 16:01:55 <d3r1ck> Hey! |
| 6 | 2018-08-10 16:02:07 <africanhope> meeting #8 or #9? |
| 7 | 2018-08-10 16:02:25 <africanhope> the last log I could find dates back to #7 |
| 8 | 2018-08-10 16:02:40 <d3r1ck> It's #9 |
| 9 | 2018-08-10 16:02:44 <africanhope> (Hi :r054l13 by the way) |
| 10 | 2018-08-10 16:02:51 <africanhope> r054l13: roger that |
| 11 | 2018-08-10 16:04:05 <d3r1ck> so we give a few mins for other Africans to join (say 6 mins) |
| 12 | 2018-08-10 16:04:21 <d3r1ck> Hence we begin at 5:10pm |
| 13 | 2018-08-10 16:04:26 <d3r1ck> UTC+01 |
| 14 | 2018-08-10 16:04:33 <r054l13> africanhope: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T192438 |
| 15 | 2018-08-10 16:05:33 <africanhope> k, I got tricked by the empty etherpad |
| 16 | 2018-08-10 16:05:56 <r054l13> :) |
| 17 | 2018-08-10 16:06:01 <africanhope> btw I just updated the current etherpad : https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/AWMD_IRC-Meeting-9 |
| 18 | 2018-08-10 16:06:12 <d3r1ck> africanhope: And about that, I think taking minutes slows us down and makes people easily get lost in the meetings trying to take down notes |
| 19 | 2018-08-10 16:06:25 <d3r1ck> I guess people should read the logs |
| 20 | 2018-08-10 16:06:52 <d3r1ck> The logs is an extract of the meeting (specifically) so people focus on the meeting |
| 21 | 2018-08-10 16:07:09 <d3r1ck> If anyone is interested in reading what happened in the meeting, the person should read the logs |
| 22 | 2018-08-10 16:07:39 <wikibugs_> Africa-Wikimedia-Developers, Developer-Advocacy: **Africa Wikimedia Developers IRC general meeting #9** - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T192440 (D3r1ck01) |
| 23 | 2018-08-10 16:07:41 <africanhope> d3r1ck: the logs are a great way to keep track of all things, but as for what needs to be taken away minutes are crucial. Otherwise its harder to remember what was decided and ensuring followup |
| 24 | 2018-08-10 16:08:06 <d3r1ck> africanhope: The decisions can be found in the logs right? |
| 25 | 2018-08-10 16:08:25 <africanhope> sure after digging |
| 26 | 2018-08-10 16:08:41 <d3r1ck> africanhope: Who reads the meetings after we take them? |
| 27 | 2018-08-10 16:08:50 <r054l13> lol |
| 28 | 2018-08-10 16:09:30 <d3r1ck> More over, etherpad can wipe out content after sometime |
| 29 | 2018-08-10 16:09:32 <r054l13> d3r1ck: If we are all in the meeting it will be easier as work will be devided |
| 30 | 2018-08-10 16:09:41 <wikibugs_> Africa-Wikimedia-Developers, Developer-Advocacy: Africa Wikimedia Developers IRC general meeting #10 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T192441 (D3r1ck01) |
| 31 | 2018-08-10 16:09:45 <r054l13> d3r1ck: hum! |
| 32 | 2018-08-10 16:10:20 <d3r1ck> Taking a look at something like the Technical Advice IRC meetings, who takes down logs? |
| 33 | 2018-08-10 16:10:35 <d3r1ck> And first of all, it's a great deal of time and slows meetings down. |
| 34 | 2018-08-10 16:10:56 <wikibugs_> Africa-Wikimedia-Developers, Developer-Advocacy: Africa Wikimedia Developers IRC general meeting #11 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T201679 (D3r1ck01) |
| 35 | 2018-08-10 16:11:16 <wikibugs_> Africa-Wikimedia-Developers, Developer-Advocacy: Africa Wikimedia Developers IRC general meeting #12 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T201680 (D3r1ck01) |
| 36 | 2018-08-10 16:11:29 <d3r1ck> africanhope: Here is what is useful: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P7378 |
| 37 | 2018-08-10 16:12:02 <wikibugs_> Africa-Wikimedia-Developers, Developer-Advocacy: Africa Wikimedia Developers IRC general meeting #13 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T201681 (D3r1ck01) |
| 38 | 2018-08-10 16:12:36 <d3r1ck> So no one has added, let's begin! |
| 39 | 2018-08-10 16:12:49 <d3r1ck> **Point #1**: Review of statistics for last month. |
| 40 | 2018-08-10 16:12:55 <africanhope> d3r1ck: sure, let's begin |
| 41 | 2018-08-10 16:13:44 <d3r1ck> According the Samuel's tool, we have this; https://tools.wmflabs.org/awmd-stats/month/2018-07 |
| 42 | 2018-08-10 16:14:01 <d3r1ck> Well, there is a little bug but that's the idea |
| 43 | 2018-08-10 16:14:08 <d3r1ck> Any discussions around that? |
| 44 | 2018-08-10 16:14:45 <africanhope> d3r1ck: thanks for pointing that out |
| 45 | 2018-08-10 16:14:51 <d3r1ck> Np |
| 46 | 2018-08-10 16:15:04 <africanhope> I hadn't noted it earlier until you mentioned it |
| 47 | 2018-08-10 16:16:14 <africanhope> anyone willing to give a helping hand on it? I can but I won't be able to work on it until next week |
| 48 | 2018-08-10 16:16:59 <r054l13> The bug is really ugly :P |
| 49 | 2018-08-10 16:17:14 <d3r1ck> That could be a good starter task for a AWMD volunteer to work on |
| 50 | 2018-08-10 16:17:20 <d3r1ck> I can offer some guide on how to fix |
| 51 | 2018-08-10 16:17:28 <d3r1ck> It's a simple fix r054l13 :) |
| 52 | 2018-08-10 16:17:31 <r054l13> A ticket then might help for refence |
| 53 | 2018-08-10 16:18:11 <r054l13> d3r1ck: If no one does it I will but that is after tuesday am good |
| 54 | 2018-08-10 16:18:14 <d3r1ck> r054l13: It's on our radar, see here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T201566 |
| 55 | 2018-08-10 16:18:21 <d3r1ck> np |
| 56 | 2018-08-10 16:18:24 <r054l13> d3r1ck: ok sorry |
| 57 | 2018-08-10 16:19:31 <africanhope> d3r1ck: Tuesday, then you'll be late then cause I will handle it on Monday :P |
| 58 | 2018-08-10 16:19:48 <r054l13> africanhope: Hihi! |
| 59 | 2018-08-10 16:19:49 <d3r1ck> africanhope: :D |
| 60 | 2018-08-10 16:20:00 <r054l13> africanhope: cool |
| 61 | 2018-08-10 16:20:06 <d3r1ck> r054l13, africanhope, I may trash it after the meeting |
| 62 | 2018-08-10 16:20:09 <d3r1ck> Well, just kidding |
| 63 | 2018-08-10 16:20:13 <r054l13> guys Hum! |
| 64 | 2018-08-10 16:20:27 <africanhope> ahah d3r1ck: ye be warned! |
| 65 | 2018-08-10 16:21:07 <d3r1ck> So anything around the first point of the Agenda? |
| 66 | 2018-08-10 16:21:11 <d3r1ck> Are we done with it? |
| 67 | 2018-08-10 16:21:13 <africanhope> well, moderator, I think we can call it done |
| 68 | 2018-08-10 16:21:23 <d3r1ck> **Point #2**: Discussion awmd-stats/issues/28 Expand awmd-stats tool for use by other event organizers. |
| 69 | 2018-08-10 16:21:40 <d3r1ck> africanhope: Thanks for referencing that issue on GH from Srishti |
| 70 | 2018-08-10 16:22:26 <africanhope> d3r1ck: anytime |
| 71 | 2018-08-10 16:22:48 <africanhope> I wanted to answer but thought this deserved a greater visibility to have ideas from you guys |
| 72 | 2018-08-10 16:22:48 <r054l13> ok so.. |
| 73 | 2018-08-10 16:23:01 <d3r1ck> Hmmm.... |
| 74 | 2018-08-10 16:23:04 <d3r1ck> The next reads |
| 75 | 2018-08-10 16:23:08 <d3r1ck> I met event organizers of the Women Tech storm hackathon who are exploring ways to retain/track candidates from their events. After having a chat with them and being reminded of your tool again at Wikimania, I was wondering if we could expand this tool so that other event organizers in the movement could use it in a similar way like with the AWMD initiative. |
| 76 | 2018-08-10 16:23:09 <d3r1ck> Not quite sure if this is a good idea, thoughts welcome! :) |
| 77 | 2018-08-10 16:23:11 <d3r1ck> But, if it is, then maybe we could consider creating a Phabricator ticket, see what others think about this idea and probably this task could become a good candidate for Wikimedia outreach programs? |
| 78 | 2018-08-10 16:23:56 <r054l13> wow that's shristi right? |
| 79 | 2018-08-10 16:24:01 <d3r1ck> Yup |
| 80 | 2018-08-10 16:24:11 <africanhope> d3r1ck: thanks for pasting it |
| 81 | 2018-08-10 16:24:18 <d3r1ck> np |
| 82 | 2018-08-10 16:24:20 <africanhope> So might guess is the following |
| 83 | 2018-08-10 16:25:06 <r054l13> go ahead dr |
| 84 | 2018-08-10 16:25:43 <africanhope> It would be great to expand that tool, move it to gerrit or whatever since that was the original plan (right d3r1ck ?). However if the tool should be use for tracking purpose it has to be designed differently from what is already existing eg: Outreach dashboard |
| 85 | 2018-08-10 16:25:51 <africanhope> otherwise it will be kind of redundant |
| 86 | 2018-08-10 16:26:11 <d3r1ck> Yup |
| 87 | 2018-08-10 16:26:26 <d3r1ck> So if this is going to be an outreach project, we can start working on that |
| 88 | 2018-08-10 16:26:28 <africanhope> I personally use the Dashboard for tracking, though I admit I have been thinking of a lighter version but just never thought any way to have a simpler version |
| 89 | 2018-08-10 16:26:59 <africanhope> yes, this can maybe be an occasion to start that |
| 90 | 2018-08-10 16:27:22 <africanhope> your guess folks? |
| 91 | 2018-08-10 16:27:32 <r054l13> yup |
| 92 | 2018-08-10 16:27:38 <r054l13> I agree africanhope |
| 93 | 2018-08-10 16:28:13 <r054l13> This is a waaw oportunity for our guys to get some skills |
| 94 | 2018-08-10 16:28:44 <r054l13> again the project is not directly related to mediawiki |
| 95 | 2018-08-10 16:29:07 <d3r1ck> r054l13: But it will make use of the Gerrit API |
| 96 | 2018-08-10 16:29:29 <d3r1ck> Here is a fine docs for that: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/Documentation/rest-api.html |
| 97 | 2018-08-10 16:30:31 <africanhope> so our final answer? |
| 98 | 2018-08-10 16:31:23 <r054l13> We can suggeste that as a project for next outreach |
| 99 | 2018-08-10 16:31:28 <d3r1ck> So I think we get back to Srishti with our discussions and then craft out a project idea or allow her to craft out a project idea about this |
| 100 | 2018-08-10 16:31:45 <d3r1ck> Then we can propose it as an outreach project in the next rounds etc |
| 101 | 2018-08-10 16:31:54 <r054l13> +1 |
| 102 | 2018-08-10 16:32:10 <africanhope> Sounds good, it's settled then |
| 103 | 2018-08-10 16:33:53 <wikibugs_> Africa-Wikimedia-Developers, Developer-Advocacy: **Africa Wikimedia Developers IRC general meeting #9** - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T192440 (D3r1ck01) |
| 104 | 2018-08-10 16:33:58 <d3r1ck> Nice |
| 105 | 2018-08-10 16:34:06 <d3r1ck> **Point #3**: Planning GCI (Google Code-In) 2018 Mentors from Africa. |
| 106 | 2018-08-10 16:34:13 <r054l13> cool |
| 107 | 2018-08-10 16:34:43 <r054l13> So .. |
| 108 | 2018-08-10 16:34:59 <d3r1ck> So the idea is that last year, we got very little mentors mentoring tasks for GCI from Africa |
| 109 | 2018-08-10 16:35:18 <d3r1ck> I would suggest that those interested in doing GSoC next near (2019) signup themselves as mentors for GCI 2018 |
| 110 | 2018-08-10 16:35:27 <d3r1ck> And make sure to mentor at least 25 tasks for GCI |
| 111 | 2018-08-10 16:36:15 <r054l13> 25? |
| 112 | 2018-08-10 16:36:25 <d3r1ck> This will help them understand the entire work flow and learn from the process as they are aspiring GSoCers |
| 113 | 2018-08-10 16:36:29 <d3r1ck> r054l13: Yes 25 |
| 114 | 2018-08-10 16:36:35 <d3r1ck> Is it a large number? |
| 115 | 2018-08-10 16:37:21 <r054l13> Yes it seems large to me for a beginner this American and Indian Kids are Strong :P |
| 116 | 2018-08-10 16:37:40 <r054l13> I suggest 15 or 10? |
| 117 | 2018-08-10 16:38:15 <africanhope> Will those mentors come from AWMD? |
| 118 | 2018-08-10 16:38:52 <r054l13> yes |
| 119 | 2018-08-10 16:38:53 <r054l13> we are talking of the mentors from AWMD |
| 120 | 2018-08-10 16:38:53 <d3r1ck> r054l13: 15 is too small |
| 121 | 2018-08-10 16:38:53 <d3r1ck> africanhope: From Africa |
| 122 | 2018-08-10 16:38:58 <d3r1ck> I personally mentored 432 task instances for last GCI |
| 123 | 2018-08-10 16:39:13 <d3r1ck> r054l13: So I don't think someone mentoring 25 task instances is a big deal |
| 124 | 2018-08-10 16:39:35 <d3r1ck> africanhope: They will be AWMD volunteers or do you have a different idea? |
| 125 | 2018-08-10 16:39:55 <d3r1ck> I remember we're working on having more GSoCers from the AWMD problem so? |
| 126 | 2018-08-10 16:40:06 <r054l13> d3r1ck: hmm! 432 from you I can understand, we are talking of people that may not even know how to use git |
| 127 | 2018-08-10 16:40:10 <africanhope> I have never mentored any task so I have no idea what it implies in terms of workload |
| 128 | 2018-08-10 16:40:38 <r054l13> africanhope: GCI tasks are simple bugs fixes |
| 129 | 2018-08-10 16:40:39 <d3r1ck> africanhope: It's high time you give it a try :) |
| 130 | 2018-08-10 16:40:41 <africanhope> r054l13: you did great, for sure our next mentors should find a way to learn from you |
| 131 | 2018-08-10 16:40:53 <d3r1ck> r054l13: Then here is a forum for them to work their skills and get on-board |
| 132 | 2018-08-10 16:41:50 <r054l13> africanhope: I did great in what please I don't get it sorry |
| 133 | 2018-08-10 16:42:12 <d3r1ck> Here is the plan, let's target all the country leads in each country! |
| 134 | 2018-08-10 16:42:18 <africanhope> r054l13: mentoring +400 tasks |
| 135 | 2018-08-10 16:42:20 <d3r1ck> We've got 2 per country making a 6 in total |
| 136 | 2018-08-10 16:42:43 <r054l13> africanhope: Please that's d3r1ck not me |
| 137 | 2018-08-10 16:42:50 <r054l13> :D |
| 138 | 2018-08-10 16:42:55 <d3r1ck> So if we get > 6+ mentors this year from Africa, that will be good |
| 139 | 2018-08-10 16:43:00 <d3r1ck> And they should actually mentor tasks |
| 140 | 2018-08-10 16:43:23 <africanhope> seems like decent figures |
| 141 | 2018-08-10 16:43:32 <d3r1ck> So the guess is 6 country leads + me + r054l13 + Eugene (maybe) + etc |
| 142 | 2018-08-10 16:43:58 <africanhope> k |
| 143 | 2018-08-10 16:43:58 <d3r1ck> So id we try hard, we can have about 10 GCI mentors from Africa this year + aspiring GSoCers in 2019 |
| 144 | 2018-08-10 16:44:09 <d3r1ck> *if |
| 145 | 2018-08-10 16:44:34 <r054l13> great |
| 146 | 2018-08-10 16:44:57 <d3r1ck> If they want to prepare for GSoC, then there is no way out than doing the work and understanding the process |
| 147 | 2018-08-10 16:45:00 <africanhope> there is some personal coaching involved if we want to make sure the mentor have what it takes to actually mentor |
| 148 | 2018-08-10 16:45:19 <r054l13> africanhope: Sure |
| 149 | 2018-08-10 16:45:24 <d3r1ck> And that's why we have IRC |
| 150 | 2018-08-10 16:45:33 <d3r1ck> I'm always around to do that |
| 151 | 2018-08-10 16:45:34 <r054l13> the first step is having them present for some coaching |
| 152 | 2018-08-10 16:46:06 <africanhope> most of the coaching I received from you was not only on IRC, was it? :) |
| 153 | 2018-08-10 16:46:24 <d3r1ck> africanhope: Remind me |
| 154 | 2018-08-10 16:46:48 <r054l13> africanhope: what's wrong with IRC? |
| 155 | 2018-08-10 16:46:52 <d3r1ck> But one thing I know for sure is that you were poking all the time |
| 156 | 2018-08-10 16:47:02 <d3r1ck> IRC is the place for developers. If you need help, come there |
| 157 | 2018-08-10 16:47:08 <r054l13> If people don't like it then let kill this idea |
| 158 | 2018-08-10 16:47:19 <africanhope> d3r1ck: r054l13 nothing wrong with IRC which by the way stands out as a standard |
| 159 | 2018-08-10 16:47:22 <d3r1ck> Imagine trying to ask for help or coaching without poking on #wikimedia-dev |
| 160 | 2018-08-10 16:47:29 <africanhope> d3r1ck: there was also lot of Hangout/skype talk we did back then |
| 161 | 2018-08-10 16:47:43 <d3r1ck> africanhope: IRC is the root node |
| 162 | 2018-08-10 16:47:48 <d3r1ck> The rest can always follow |
| 163 | 2018-08-10 16:48:09 <d3r1ck> If someone pokes me on IRC and wants a Skype call, I'll make myself avaiable |
| 164 | 2018-08-10 16:48:12 <d3r1ck> *available |
| 165 | 2018-08-10 16:48:34 <d3r1ck> I don't always run the Skype app on my machine but I've got IRC connection always open |
| 166 | 2018-08-10 16:48:53 <r054l13> lol |
| 167 | 2018-08-10 16:49:03 <d3r1ck> In that light, should we say we'll be looking forward to 10 GCI mentors from Africa this year? |
| 168 | 2018-08-10 16:49:23 <r054l13> Yup! if all goes well |
| 169 | 2018-08-10 16:49:44 ** CFisch_remote changed nickname to CFisch_NA |
| 170 | 2018-08-10 16:50:26 <r054l13> africanhope: ?? |
| 171 | 2018-08-10 16:51:16 <africanhope> yep these are good figures |
| 172 | 2018-08-10 16:52:04 <r054l13> d3r1ck: Can u carry on please? You seems to do that so well today :P |
| 173 | 2018-08-10 16:52:17 <d3r1ck> Hm. |
| 174 | 2018-08-10 16:52:34 <d3r1ck> **Point #4**: Sharing of resources to volunteer developers who need help getting involved. |
| 175 | 2018-08-10 16:52:38 <d3r1ck> That is the next point |
| 176 | 2018-08-10 16:52:53 <d3r1ck> And I wonder if people read this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Africa_Wikimedia_Developers_Project |
| 177 | 2018-08-10 16:52:55 <r054l13> Well no one is there |
| 178 | 2018-08-10 16:53:03 <r054l13> think we can skip that |
| 179 | 2018-08-10 16:53:23 <r054l13> This seems to me more like a core meeting. lol! |
| 180 | 2018-08-10 16:54:42 <r054l13> africanhope: d3r1ck: ?? |
| 181 | 2018-08-10 16:54:54 <r054l13> can we move on? |
| 182 | 2018-08-10 16:55:41 <africanhope> d3r1ck: you've been nominated moderator today, so we can move on |
| 183 | 2018-08-10 16:56:12 <d3r1ck> africanhope: What is your thought about the info sharing? |
| 184 | 2018-08-10 16:56:15 <d3r1ck> Do you have resources to share? |
| 185 | 2018-08-10 16:56:58 <d3r1ck> africanhope: No one nominated me, we're all hosts |
| 186 | 2018-08-10 16:57:15 <africanhope> I have started to share some of my thoughts in the e-mail thread |
| 187 | 2018-08-10 16:57:28 <africanhope> I will have the chance to tell more about it in our Sunday call |
| 188 | 2018-08-10 16:57:33 <africanhope> However in a nutshell.. |
| 189 | 2018-08-10 16:58:36 <r054l13> same here! |
| 190 | 2018-08-10 16:58:39 <d3r1ck> Okay! |
| 191 | 2018-08-10 16:58:42 <africanhope> Aside the existing learning path which is used for our 2-days training, there is a need for something learners can follow after the training to improve their skills progressively |
| 192 | 2018-08-10 16:58:58 <d3r1ck> **Point #5**: Difficulties faced by newbies/members interested in getting involved. |
| 193 | 2018-08-10 16:58:58 <africanhope> as I mentioned I'll share more about it on Sunday |
| 194 | 2018-08-10 16:59:06 <r054l13> africanhope: Ok fine |
| 195 | 2018-08-10 16:59:09 <d3r1ck> africanhope: No |
| 196 | 2018-08-10 16:59:14 <d3r1ck> That is not a 2 day training path |
| 197 | 2018-08-10 16:59:21 <d3r1ck> That is a life-time learning path |
| 198 | 2018-08-10 16:59:37 <r054l13> ?? |
| 199 | 2018-08-10 16:59:50 <africanhope> I said 'which is used for our 2-days training' cause we happen to do 2-days training |
| 200 | 2018-08-10 17:00:04 <d3r1ck> If you read that page very well, you'll realize that it can be used for 10 years learning |
| 201 | 2018-08-10 17:00:27 <d3r1ck> What is used for the 2 days training is this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Africa_Wikimedia_Developers_Project/Project_Scope#Program |
| 202 | 2018-08-10 17:00:55 <r054l13> ok we talk about that on Sunday please |
| 203 | 2018-08-10 17:01:12 <africanhope> my mad I was refering to the wrong link then. |
| 204 | 2018-08-10 17:01:33 <r054l13> next point please |
| 205 | 2018-08-10 17:01:46 <r054l13> **Point #5**: Difficulties faced by newbies/members interested |
| 206 | 2018-08-10 17:01:48 <r054l13> in getting involved. |
| 207 | 2018-08-10 17:02:30 <africanhope> yeah I have some thoughts too regarding this one but I'll share them on Sunday |
| 208 | 2018-08-10 17:02:36 <r054l13> personally I don't think there is any difficulty for someone interested in getting involved |
| 209 | 2018-08-10 17:03:01 <r054l13> those we got so far don't show much interest |
| 210 | 2018-08-10 17:03:05 <d3r1ck> Well, there's internet issues etc but I clearly see that they don't even try |
| 211 | 2018-08-10 17:03:25 <africanhope> I would not say they don't even try |
| 212 | 2018-08-10 17:03:29 <d3r1ck> So if we say we'll talk about this on Sunday, then moving to the next point |
| 213 | 2018-08-10 17:03:36 <africanhope> at least from what I have seen with folks in my country |
| 214 | 2018-08-10 17:03:38 <d3r1ck> africanhope: What would you say? |
| 215 | 2018-08-10 17:03:49 <d3r1ck> africanhope: You're in the meeting now right? |
| 216 | 2018-08-10 17:04:12 <d3r1ck> Can you share with us what is happening with your folks that are not around? |
| 217 | 2018-08-10 17:04:30 <r054l13> africanhope: d3r1ck: I will prefere we elaborate on this via text for reference a call may not be the best |
| 218 | 2018-08-10 17:04:40 <africanhope> that they skill need to be improved progressively until they grasp what is needed to solve average real life bugs |
| 219 | 2018-08-10 17:04:42 <r054l13> I meen now |
| 220 | 2018-08-10 17:04:46 <r054l13> mean* |
| 221 | 2018-08-10 17:05:16 <r054l13> africanhope: Sure! but you can't increase those skills by doing nothing |
| 222 | 2018-08-10 17:05:35 <r054l13> they will always stay constant with no activity |
| 223 | 2018-08-10 17:06:01 <r054l13> the say practise makes perfect |
| 224 | 2018-08-10 17:06:19 <r054l13> that's why I emphasys on interested enough people |
| 225 | 2018-08-10 17:06:25 <d3r1ck> I see only internet as the issue. The only thing that can stop one from connecting on IRC for a meeting of 1 hour 30mins is internet |
| 226 | 2018-08-10 17:06:28 <d3r1ck> the rest is laziness |
| 227 | 2018-08-10 17:06:46 <d3r1ck> If we solve the internet issue which I don't think it's a big issue, then we're fine. |
| 228 | 2018-08-10 17:06:50 <r054l13> what about work? |
| 229 | 2018-08-10 17:06:55 <d3r1ck> r054l13: Which work? |
| 230 | 2018-08-10 17:06:58 <r054l13> lol |
| 231 | 2018-08-10 17:07:12 <africanhope> r054l13: to me issues are several folded, and choosing the 'laziness' option is too easy, at least basing on what I can relate too |
| 232 | 2018-08-10 17:07:36 <d3r1ck> africanhope: Why are you attending the meeting? |
| 233 | 2018-08-10 17:07:53 <africanhope> d3r1ck: I am not sure I am following you |
| 234 | 2018-08-10 17:08:03 <r054l13> africanhope: I totaly agree! I did not mention laziness d3r1ck did :P |
| 235 | 2018-08-10 17:08:04 <d3r1ck> africanhope: Okay, the idea is this |
| 236 | 2018-08-10 17:08:16 <d3r1ck> Reminders has been doing out regularly even minutes before the meeting |
| 237 | 2018-08-10 17:08:32 <d3r1ck> And yet no one shows up, do you want to tell me that it's normal? Or should we take it lightly? |
| 238 | 2018-08-10 17:08:37 <d3r1ck> *going |
| 239 | 2018-08-10 17:09:04 <d3r1ck> africanhope: Why are you attending the meeting? |
| 240 | 2018-08-10 17:09:23 <r054l13> d3r1ck: I think we all attend because it is important |
| 241 | 2018-08-10 17:09:25 <d3r1ck> I believe if someone sees the meeting useful, he or she will try to make time and join |
| 242 | 2018-08-10 17:09:32 <d3r1ck> r054l13: Good! |
| 243 | 2018-08-10 17:09:45 <d3r1ck> So if it's not important, then we don't attend, well |
| 244 | 2018-08-10 17:10:04 <r054l13> falling back to having people interested |
| 245 | 2018-08-10 17:10:14 <r054l13> not just getting population |
| 246 | 2018-08-10 17:10:20 <d3r1ck> Sometimes I'm in #wikimedia-tech for Technical Advice IRC meetings but I don't speak because I have nothing to say |
| 247 | 2018-08-10 17:10:30 <d3r1ck> But it's important I read the conversations, it helps me a lot |
| 248 | 2018-08-10 17:10:41 <d3r1ck> And when I have questions, I attend and ask all of them and I usually get replies |
| 249 | 2018-08-10 17:11:04 <d3r1ck> 18:09:03 @d3r1ck | africanhope: Why are you attending the meeting? |
| 250 | 2018-08-10 17:11:11 <r054l13> Hm! |
| 251 | 2018-08-10 17:11:46 <d3r1ck> Well, are we done with this point? |
| 252 | 2018-08-10 17:11:49 <r054l13> Well I may not say they are lazy but not motivated enough might be the case |
| 253 | 2018-08-10 17:12:07 <r054l13> thats my point |
| 254 | 2018-08-10 17:12:14 <d3r1ck> r054l13: That's a sweeter way of saying people are lazy |
| 255 | 2018-08-10 17:12:43 <r054l13> d3r1ck: CALM dowm! easy man |
| 256 | 2018-08-10 17:12:54 <r054l13> :D |
| 257 | 2018-08-10 17:13:06 <d3r1ck> If they are not motivated, when will they be? Should we fold our arms and just allow things be? |
| 258 | 2018-08-10 17:13:27 <r054l13> we can find ways to motivate them |
| 259 | 2018-08-10 17:13:41 <d3r1ck> We'll try but God is not involved in this, it's mere hard work! |
| 260 | 2018-08-10 17:13:42 <africanhope> This is a simplistic view, I am in favor of a holistic approach, maybe others are not motivated because they were motivated but lost interest gradually. |
| 261 | 2018-08-10 17:14:00 <africanhope> If we look at it this way then we can't make that interest come back to life |
| 262 | 2018-08-10 17:14:13 <r054l13> ok |
| 263 | 2018-08-10 17:14:14 <africanhope> On the contrary, if they are lazy, there is no way out |
| 264 | 2018-08-10 17:14:21 <r054l13> lol |
| 265 | 2018-08-10 17:14:28 <d3r1ck> africanhope: Good, that answers everything and let's move on |
| 266 | 2018-08-10 17:14:35 <d3r1ck> We've got just 15 more mins |
| 267 | 2018-08-10 17:14:58 <d3r1ck> **Point #6**: Remarks and closing. |
| 268 | 2018-08-10 17:15:07 <africanhope> we can make that interest come back to life* |
| 269 | 2018-08-10 17:15:32 <r054l13> yeah |
| 270 | 2018-08-10 17:15:48 <r054l13> we need to indeed |
| 271 | 2018-08-10 17:16:01 <wikibugs_> Africa-Wikimedia-Developers, Developer-Advocacy: **Africa Wikimedia Developers IRC general meeting #9** - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T192440 (D3r1ck01) |
| 272 | 2018-08-10 17:17:08 <d3r1ck> 18:14:58 @d3r1ck | **Point #6**: Remarks and closing. |
| 273 | 2018-08-10 17:18:57 <africanhope> No special remarks on my side |
| 274 | 2018-08-10 17:19:46 <d3r1ck> Okay, one remark I see is that instructions on the mailing list are not followed |
| 275 | 2018-08-10 17:19:50 <d3r1ck> Emails just go there for nothing |
| 276 | 2018-08-10 17:20:12 <d3r1ck> It was said that people should try to be online a few mins before and so that issues faced can be quickly fixed but nothing |
| 277 | 2018-08-10 17:20:43 <d3r1ck> Later, people poke after 4:00pm UTC on the mailing list saying they can't connect and how to connect on IRC |
| 278 | 2018-08-10 17:21:13 <d3r1ck> We ended up attending the meeting just 3 of us |
| 279 | 2018-08-10 17:21:16 <d3r1ck> That's my remark |
| 280 | 2018-08-10 17:23:20 <r054l13> I noticed more volunteers tried to join but like d3r1ck mentioned it was late and we ended just 3 of us :( |
| 281 | 2018-08-10 17:23:41 <r054l13> I hope next meeting will be full |
| 282 | 2018-08-10 17:23:51 <d3r1ck> There are a few things about joining IRC that I know |
| 283 | 2018-08-10 17:24:06 <d3r1ck> 1. Get a valid IRC nick by registering and identifying. |
| 284 | 2018-08-10 17:24:20 <d3r1ck> 2. Get a valid IRC client and install it |
| 285 | 2018-08-10 17:24:34 <d3r1ck> 3. Test it out by connecting several times to be sure you're up and running, in fact, configure it |
| 286 | 2018-08-10 17:24:42 <d3r1ck> 4. Connect anytime you are ready to join IRC. |
| 287 | 2018-08-10 17:24:50 <d3r1ck> I think I'm empty now |
| 288 | 2018-08-10 17:26:49 <africanhope> Once, sending a reminder to country leads helped me prepare quite early and bring 3 more folks my CIV |
| 289 | 2018-08-10 17:28:58 <r054l13> when was my first email when that happened please |
| 290 | 2018-08-10 17:29:20 <r054l13> I mean was it 3 day or 4 days before the meetng |
| 291 | 2018-08-10 17:29:52 <r054l13> so I know how early enought do I need to send email so I get all on board |
| 292 | 2018-08-10 17:31:02 <africanhope> yeah something like that, I will check later, but unless I am wrong I did not notice it early |
| 293 | 2018-08-10 17:31:45 <r054l13> I most at times send reminders 3 or 4 days before |
| 294 | 2018-08-10 17:31:46 <africanhope> It's been shared by my local co-lead in our local AMWD mailing list but only 2 days ago |
| 295 | 2018-08-10 17:32:02 <r054l13> I sent it this time 3 days ago |
| 296 | 2018-08-10 17:32:03 <d3r1ck> africanhope, r054l13, it boils down to something. People don't check mails |
| 297 | 2018-08-10 17:32:15 <r054l13> you concluding too much |
| 298 | 2018-08-10 17:32:19 <africanhope> d3r1ck: nope |
| 299 | 2018-08-10 17:32:29 <d3r1ck> And when reminders come in, they either don't see it on time or they see it and forget because it's not important |
| 300 | 2018-08-10 17:32:29 <africanhope> However it's not only up to you r054l13 |
| 301 | 2018-08-10 17:32:34 <r054l13> d3r1ck: you concluding too much |
| 302 | 2018-08-10 17:32:47 <d3r1ck> r054l13: What conclusions are you talking about? |
| 303 | 2018-08-10 17:32:51 <d3r1ck> It's an assumption |
| 304 | 2018-08-10 17:32:56 <africanhope> Pardon my ignorance what is the frequency of our monthly? first friday of the month? |
| 305 | 2018-08-10 17:33:02 <d3r1ck> I can be proven wrong :) |
| 306 | 2018-08-10 17:33:13 <d3r1ck> africanhope: 2nd Friday of every month |
| 307 | 2018-08-10 17:33:33 <d3r1ck> That is enough info to keep one alert because if we want to make it every week, people will complain they don't have time |
| 308 | 2018-08-10 17:35:38 <africanhope> yeah, I'll note it |
| 309 | 2018-08-10 17:36:05 <d3r1ck> Thanks very much everyone for your time. |
| 310 | 2018-08-10 17:36:16 <d3r1ck> We've already been 6mins into non-meeting time |
| 311 | 2018-08-10 17:36:28 <d3r1ck> So I think we say it's closed? Thanks everyone for your time |
| 312 | 2018-08-10 17:36:49 <r054l13> how about the others trying to join |
| 313 | 2018-08-10 17:37:13 <africanhope> they should rehearse after this call |
| 314 | 2018-08-10 17:37:24 <africanhope> this way the'll be ready for next time |
| 315 | 2018-08-10 17:38:27 <d3r1ck> Okay, we're done? |
| 316 | 2018-08-10 17:38:32 <r054l13> ok! |
| 317 | 2018-08-10 17:38:44 <africanhope> {{Done}} |
| 318 | 2018-08-10 17:38:54 <africanhope> thanks r054l13 d3r1ck |
| 319 | 2018-08-10 17:39:01 <r054l13> thanks to all |
| 320 | 2018-08-10 17:39:06 <d3r1ck> Thanks so much africanhope, we're all grateful :) |