Dear Design team,

French Wiktionary have recently changed icons to be closer to the style guide. We did so with three major concerns that are specific for Wiktionaries and you may be helpful about them:

• Wiktionaries presents a multilingual content. For example, in "chat" page you have English "chat" for talk and then Antillan Creole, Dutch, French "chat" (for cat, the animal) and so one. In the hierarchy of content, there is languages. We need to separate those distinctly and we are not sure how to do so. In French Wiktionary we added a large light blue background color but it is not optimal. Advice welcome.

• Wiktionaries describes words and words relations. We have subsection for each relations such as synonym, antonym, hyponym, and so on. Unified pictograms could be useful. @M0tty made a great work on most of those, but a global initiative could help, to use those creation and the whole set in most version of Wiktionary. If you think of some people interested in this matter, we may set up a team for few weeks on this task.

• Wiktionary is not Wikipedia. There is a lot of confusion in our readers' mind,. We can see it in questions, comments on talk pages and during the workshops we organized. So, we are not very fund of making Wiktionary appearance more similar to Wikipedia. Earlier this year, French Wiktionary community gently asked to adopt Timeless as a default skin to make Wiktionary more identifiable. It wasn't applied for very good reasons. Now, we are discussing about the default color of icons. M0tty suggested blue, as suggested in the style guide. I am more in favor of a light brown similar as French Wiktionary logo. Could you provide us some insight about this matter?

Thanks a lot for any ideas, suggestions or advice you could give us.