leercontainer-bugzilla wrote:

Unified (3 lines) patch made to Language.php 1.563, made with Winmerge

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river wrote:

as mediawiki is primarily used for wikimedia websites, which use these entries,
i'm not sure changing the default is particularly useful.

rowan.collins wrote:

Note: These entries can be hidden by any admin by setting the relevant
MediaWiki:... page to "-"; as of 1.4, they can also be completely rearranged in
LocalSettings.php by anyone with appropriate access to that file.

rowan.collins wrote:

[Sorry - I think that comment is out of date, as the sidebar code seems to have
been changed yet again]

leercontainer-bugzilla wrote:

I know that anyone can fix this in MediaWiki:, (and note that from now on its
done i MediaWiki:sidebar, using "-" will not work, try test.leuksman.com with
"Norsk (nynorsk)" interface language) however most sites that need these links,
including Wikimedia sites, already use the MediaWiki namespace for the sidebar.
The majority of Wikimedia sites (small languages) wont need the "current events"
links either because the communities are too small to keep such a page up to
date. nn.wikipedia.org f.ex. don't use it.

Note that I files this bug exactly because I don't want the current events link
on nn.wikipedia.org, and was going to implement it in LanguageNn.php, but then
Avar went ahead and added a comment in Language.php that we're not supposed to
do this.

leercontainer-bugzilla wrote:

(In reply to comment #4)

[Sorry - I think that comment is out of date, as the sidebar code seems to have
been changed yet again]

And now my comment is also somewhat out of date:-)

avarab wrote:

(In reply to comment #5)

Note that I files this bug exactly because I don't want the current events link
on nn.wikipedia.org, and was going to implement it in LanguageNn.php, but then
Avar went ahead and added a comment in Language.php that we're not supposed to
do this.

The interface in MediaWiki should be kept consistant across languages, and that includes the sidebar which should be the same for them all. Note however that since I changed the sidebar
generating code it's now trivial to change the sidebars, after 1.5 goes live you can edit MediaWiki:Sidebar at nn.wikipedia.org and remove the current events entry, or even add new ones.

gangleri wrote:

in replay to comment 7 "The interface in MediaWiki should be kept consistant
across languages"

It *should* but it is *not*. I visited several wikis two months ago trying to
link "village pumps" (some can be reached directly from at "community portal"),
ambassies, etc.

In bug 2030: "anomalies in the "Navigation" menue while selcting a different
languages in [[Special:Preferences]]" I tried to explain this and related impacts.

The navigation does / did *not* depend on the "content" of the wiki. It is / was
depending on the selected user interface. This is not the *optimal* solution.

Regards Reinhardt [[user:gangleri]]

avarab wrote:

(In reply to comment #8)

in replay to comment 7 "The interface in MediaWiki should be kept consistant
across languages"

It *should* but it is *not*. I visited several wikis two months ago trying to
link "village pumps" (some can be reached directly from at "community portal"),
ambassies, etc.

The sites that you had problems with were Wikimedia sites, Wikimedia sites do
not run a stock configuration of MediaWiki and that goes for the sidebars too,
specifically people sometimes change the messages so that the current events or
donations link is not displayed and sometimes even use the current events
message to link to a completely different page. There might be a problem however
with some language files currently in CVS, and if so, please file bugs for those.

leercontainer-bugzilla wrote:

I haven't filed this bug because I want to keep nn.wikipedia simple, I know, and
knew that its perfectly simple to do that trough the MediaWiki namespace.

I've file this bug because I think the two items (donations and current events)
will not be needed on the average MediaWiki wiki, and thus they should be diabled.

avarab wrote:

I changed the summary to reflect what this is actually about.

I should also mention that before I changed the sidebar code to its current form
the Donations link was not on in the default distribution, I put it back in
because I thought that it could be removed anyway.

delirium wrote:

Using 1.5beta3, setting the messages to '-' doesn't disable them---it just
causes '-' to show up in the sidebar. It *does* still work to disable the
disclaimer footer though.

Setting the _link_ messages to '-' should indeed work. Setting the _text_ messages doesn't. I'm not totally sure what's
the best way to handle it, but the text form was problematic -- it meant that changing UI languages could make things
appear and disappear, which really is bad behavior.

I think it's more consistent to control that with the link messages (or ... just remove them from the sidebar).

placidpalma wrote:

In Catalan Wikipedia "Actualitat" at the left of all our pages linked to
"Viquipèdia:Actualitat", but now it links to "Current events". Please, would
some body remake the ancient link.

Please, can some body place in our pages the word "Donacions" (catalan) instead
of "Donations" (english) and link it to:
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donatius

robchur wrote:

What this boiled down to was that a user didn't agree with the default sidebar.
That's all right, not all sites will need a donations link, or links to
community portals and so forth; this is why we make it easy to change. It's more
targeted as examples of what might be suitable for the sidebar.