And if you would like to be kept informed of the discussion process, please let me know. (This is a private discussion and you will need to have a Telegram account)

@LClightcat can you explain why this was a private discussion rather than a public discussion on-wiki? I think we'd prefer the latter unless there's a good reason not to.

Also the secondary list administrator's address is the same as the primary address.

在T294676#7480475中，@Legoktm写道：

And if you would like to be kept informed of the discussion process, please let me know. (This is a private discussion and you will need to have a Telegram account)

@LClightcat can you explain why this was a private discussion rather than a public discussion on-wiki? I think we'd prefer the latter unless there's a good reason not to.

Also the secondary list administrator's address is the same as the primary address.

Well... This list create is per us another talk. (Part of the reform discussion, and it is public on wiki) During the reform discussions, we saw the need to create more ways to contact, and because of the vast majority of "active reviewers" and the five regular members (i.e. those who have the authority to make decisions) in the Telegram group and Telegram's instant replies and easy notifications, we chose to initiate the motion in the Telegram reviewers group, and we have a vote counting bot to help us with the proposal.

And since the proposal was made in the Telegram group, we thought it should be discussed "where it was raised" and, as mentioned above, Telegram is a better place for discussion, without the influence of "editorial conflicts", so we can have a broader discussion on a particular issue.

Still, as mentioned earlier, the vast majority of active auditors (in fact, I should say all of them.) The vast majority of active reviewers (in fact, all of them.) are on Telegram, so it is possible to reach a "consensus among reviewers" on Telegram and not be influenced by Vandalizers.

I think I has been clarify why, and if you have further questions, please ask.

Regards

Note: About secondary list administrator's address plz set it to agsiwm@gmail.com

To be clear, what kind of on-wiki dissociation will SRE like to see? Will we need to do that on VP? Or consensus between reviewers is fine? If on-wiki dissociation is needed, we can do that.

@Legoktm Well....to avoid you not noticing, I ping you.(I'm sorry to disturb you) I would like to know whether the reasons I submitted will be accepted by SRE? Or what else do I need to do?

In T294676#7481421, @Jonathan5566 wrote:

To be clear, what kind of on-wiki dissociation will SRE like to see? Will we need to do that on VP? Or consensus between reviewers is fine? If on-wiki dissociation is needed, we can do that.

Given that this is an on-wiki project, I mostly want to make sure that people on-wiki are aware of this request to create a private discussion mailing list.

在T294676#7491438中，@Legoktm写道：

In T294676#7481421, @Jonathan5566 wrote:

To be clear, what kind of on-wiki dissociation will SRE like to see? Will we need to do that on VP? Or consensus between reviewers is fine? If on-wiki dissociation is needed, we can do that.

Given that this is an on-wiki project, I mostly want to make sure that people on-wiki are aware of this request to create a private discussion mailing list.

It has passed and expired the publicity period. Now that the common view has been expressed on the wiki, please create these two lists, Thank you.

In T294676#7491438, @Legoktm wrote:

In T294676#7481421, @Jonathan5566 wrote:

To be clear, what kind of on-wiki dissociation will SRE like to see? Will we need to do that on VP? Or consensus between reviewers is fine? If on-wiki dissociation is needed, we can do that.

Given that this is an on-wiki project, I mostly want to make sure that people on-wiki are aware of this request to create a private discussion mailing list.

I have announced that we will create both private and public mailing-list in the discussion and we have a clear consensus, thanks for your help.

In T294676#7501581, @Jonathan5566 wrote:

In T294676#7491438, @Legoktm wrote:

In T294676#7481421, @Jonathan5566 wrote:

To be clear, what kind of on-wiki dissociation will SRE like to see? Will we need to do that on VP? Or consensus between reviewers is fine? If on-wiki dissociation is needed, we can do that.

Given that this is an on-wiki project, I mostly want to make sure that people on-wiki are aware of this request to create a private discussion mailing list.

I have announced that we will create both private and public mailing-list in the discussion and we have a clear consensus, thanks for your help.

duplicate?

在T294676#7501524中，@LClightcat写道：

在T294676#7491438中，@Legoktm写道：

In T294676#7481421, @Jonathan5566 wrote:

To be clear, what kind of on-wiki dissociation will SRE like to see? Will we need to do that on VP? Or consensus between reviewers is fine? If on-wiki dissociation is needed, we can do that.

Given that this is an on-wiki project, I mostly want to make sure that people on-wiki are aware of this request to create a private discussion mailing list.

It has passed and expired the publicity period. Now that the common view has been expressed on the wiki, please create these two lists, Thank you.

@Legoktm Well.... a week... Maybe you didn't notice?

Sorry about delays - I was going to create the mailing lists just now and realized they don't fit our guidelines for names (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Standardization) - would wikipedia-zh-afc@ and wikipedia-zh-afc-reviewer@ be OK?

在T294676#7520792中，@Legoktm写道：

Sorry about delays - I was going to create the mailing lists just now and realized they don't fit our guidelines for names (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Standardization) - would wikipedia-zh-afc@ and wikipedia-zh-afc-reviewer@ be OK?

@Legoktm Of course, please do so. I first saw that the project page can customize the mailing list name, so this is the case. Sorry for the trouble.

在T294676#7522173中，@Legoktm写道：

Both lists have been created, please update the description and any other settings as necessary (or re-open if something is totally wrong)

• https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikipedia-zh-afc.lists.wikimedia.org/ - public list, with public archives
• https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikipedia-zh-afc-reviewer.lists.wikimedia.org/ - private list, with private archives

Please also add the list to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Overview#Local_Wikipedia_mailing_lists - thanks!

OK... Thanks for your help!