This is a general SRE task so I'm removing the mailing lists tag.

While adding you likely won't do any harm, I'm wondering about the need to access here. Most of the mails sent to the ops list are useful only for people with some kind of shell access and in my experience, all the mails sent to ops that _are_ useful to users without shell access are also CC'ed to public lists (such as, wikitech-l).

Hi @Zabe, please use the form here for subscription to ops@ https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/ops.lists.wikimedia.org/

In T301011#7704550, @Urbanecm wrote:

While adding you likely won't do any harm, I'm wondering about the need to access here. Most of the mails sent to the ops list are useful only for people with some kind of shell access and in my experience, all the mails sent to ops that _are_ useful to users without shell access are also CC'ed to public lists (such as, wikitech-l).

This list can be a good way to see service maintenance announcements too, logstash and etherpad being some recent examples.

In T301011#7704712, @herron wrote:

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In T301011#7704550, @Urbanecm wrote:

While adding you likely won't do any harm, I'm wondering about the need to access here. Most of the mails sent to the ops list are useful only for people with some kind of shell access and in my experience, all the mails sent to ops that _are_ useful to users without shell access are also CC'ed to public lists (such as, wikitech-l).

This list can be a good way to see service maintenance announcements too, logstash and etherpad being some recent examples.

True. Shouldn't those announcements be passed to wikitech-l though as well? Maybe my memory is wrong, but I do recall a lot of them being CC'ed that way.

I can confirm Zabe is on the NDA list and the only rule for being on ops list seems to be .. to have NDA. I wasn't sure if I should recommend using the form, thanks for confirming that is indeed the way.

In T301011#7704712, @herron wrote:

Hi @Zabe, please use the form here for subscription to ops@ https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/ops.lists.wikimedia.org/

In T301011#7704550, @Urbanecm wrote:

While adding you likely won't do any harm, I'm wondering about the need to access here. Most of the mails sent to the ops list are useful only for people with some kind of shell access and in my experience, all the mails sent to ops that _are_ useful to users without shell access are also CC'ed to public lists (such as, wikitech-l).

This list can be a good way to see service maintenance announcements too, logstash and etherpad being some recent examples.

I have used the form and apparently someone already approved my request.

In T301011#7704713, @Urbanecm wrote:

In T301011#7704712, @herron wrote:

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In T301011#7704550, @Urbanecm wrote:

While adding you likely won't do any harm, I'm wondering about the need to access here. Most of the mails sent to the ops list are useful only for people with some kind of shell access and in my experience, all the mails sent to ops that _are_ useful to users without shell access are also CC'ed to public lists (such as, wikitech-l).

This list can be a good way to see service maintenance announcements too, logstash and etherpad being some recent examples.

True. Shouldn't those announcements be passed to wikitech-l though as well? Maybe my memory is wrong, but I do recall a lot of them being CC'ed that way.

It sometimes happen. But e.g. the logstash maintenance wasn't if I recall correctly.