No MathML rendering in Firefox - SVG or PNG is used
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	vinc17
	Oct 4 2016, 2:43 PM

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In the past, math was rendered as MathML. Even though I have "MathML with SVG or PNG fallback" selected in the preferences, I usually get SVG, but also got PNG at least on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fürer's_algorithm (a reload magically switched it to SVG), never MathML. Same problem with: https://test2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics

My web browser is Firefox 45.4.0 under Linux. MathML works on other web sites, such as Mozilla's MathML Torture Test page.

A quick test with Opera 40 showed the same problem.

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I get SVGs displayed in the first link in Firefox 49 on Linux.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering says "MathML with SVG or PNG fallback (recommended for modern browsers and accessibility tools)"

Yes. Currently additional steps are required to get MathML https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math#Viewing_math
However, I think we should enable MathML without plugin (at least for some known good browser / OS combinations).
@fredw What are your thoughts on that?

Le 13/10/2016 à 11:58, Physikerwelt a écrit :

However, I think we should enable MathML without plugin (at least for some known
good browser / OS combinations).
@fredw https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/fredw/ What are your thoughts on that?

I don't think things have changed much since the last time you asked.
This will require coordination between various actors, so we should
probably discuss that in the MathML association.

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Since I don't see progress here and do not have any contacts to Mozilla to talk about this goal I'm closing this ticket. In case anyone from Mozilla finds this ticket via a web search engine here a short summary of our request:

Currently, MediaWiki delivers HTML output for mathematical formulae, of the following form:

<div>
  <div class="mathml" style="display: none;">
      <math>
          <mrow>
              <mi>E</mi>
              <mo>=</mo>
              <mi>m</mi>
              <msup>
                  <mi>c</mi>
                  <mn>2</mn>
              </msup>
          </mrow>
      </math>
  </div>
  <img class="math-fallback-image" src="Emc2.svg"/>
</div>

Also, there is a plugin for Firefox (developed by Fédéric Wang) that overwrites the display attribute of the MathML class and math-fallback-image class so that MathML is shown and img the img is hidden. This plugin is installed by about 1500 people and works quite well. However, as a next step, we plan to display MathML to all Firefox users by custom css rules. However, before doing so, it would be good to know what problems can be expected.

@Physikerwelt: What exactly is wanted from Mozilla/Firefox? Is this about

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=525772 (Complete support for MathML 2)
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=534959 (Add support for MathML 3)

basically, or something else?

Looking at these bugzilla tickets gives the impression that not very much has happened recently. I have no idea what would happen if we changed the CSS to display MathML for all Firefox users. People who install the plugin to show MathML are probably not a representative sample. Thus, I have the feeling that it would be good to have someone from Mozilla involved if did this. Otherwise, we might be ending up in a situation, with bug reports regarding the Firefox MathML rendering that nobody will be able to handle.

I see... should the task summary somehow (?) mention Mozilla Firefox (because if I get it right this task seems to be pretty much about Firefox now)?

Physikerwelt renamed this task from No MathML rendering - SVG or PNG is used to No MathML rendering in Firefox - SVG or PNG is used.Jun 25 2018, 3:06 PM

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