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New pages on Special:RecentChanges: Sometimes pages deleted and recreated show the wrong old version
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See this screenshot: This page (https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United-Express-Flug_6291&action=history)

should not get listed here:

grafik.png (2,686×622 px, 190 KB)

as the page was deleted, other versions imported, and restored the version showed there is not a pagecreation anymore, so it should not get listed as one here. This causes bugs in bot scripts.

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@Luke081515: I assume the screenshot is from https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges ? Which filters are set? How to get that view? Exact steps to reproduce welcome. Please see and follow https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_report_a_bug

What exactly is "not actualized" after which step?

If I understand correctly, the problem is that the page was re-created and listed (actual outcome), and as it was re-created it should not be listed (expected outcome)? (If that is correct then I don't see an issue with actualization but rather with incorrectly showing an item?)

The issue is, that when you visit Special:RecentChanges, and you select only new pages, from time to time it happens, that a page that gets deleted and recreated with a different oldest version, the original oldest version is still listed as page creation, however it is not a page creation anymore.

This happens from time to time and not permanent.

Aklapper renamed this task from RecentChanges get not actualized to New pages on Special:RecentChanges: Sometimes pages deleted and recreated show the wrong old version.May 27 2019, 11:29 AM

This behavior seems to depend on whether creating a new page over a deleted page should be considered a new page creation. We would like @Trizek-WMF to weigh in on this.

We have two possibilities:

  • create a tag to highlight history fusions or pages undeletions. Maybe something like page moves?
  • not highlight them, but have people unaware of the operation, which may be a problem is the operation has been done off the records.

We will keep an eye on this and see if other users run into the same challenges.

We have two possibilities:

  • create a tag to highlight history fusions or pages undeletions. Maybe something like page moves?

Noting that this has been partially resolved by T56145: Tag page creations of previously deleted pages.