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Steps: 1 > Replace “Place of residence” with something more relevant
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Nclm reported that "place of residence" is not a very good wording. I copy here his message

A little suggestion: I’m French, and after 25+ years of living in France, I happen to have been living in Copenhagen for the past two years, which is completely irrelevant concerning the variant of the French language I use. Still, when LinguaLibre asked me for my “Place of residence”, I said “Denmark”. I recorded one word as a test a few days ago. Now the recording has been automatically added to its corresponding Wiktionary entry with the label “Royaume du Danemark (Danemark)”, which is quite absurd and is giving a confusing information to the readers of Wiktionary. I would suggest removing “Place of residence”, or replacing it with “Home country” or “Place where you mainly learned your language” or something similar (that said, none of these two fit everyone’s life story either).

In addition, I wonder if the automatic upload to Wiktionary should happen. What if I record some words in English? (my browser is set in English so I was automatically going to record words in English before I realised it didn’t make much sense). I’m not sure entries from ”English for France” are that relevant on Wiktionary. Maybe it should only automatically upload clips from the countries that have this particular language as an official language (from Wikidata information)? On top of that, my recording was not that great (I have to set up my microphone better or remove the noise in post-prod), so I wonder if uploading many mediocre clips without listening to them “manually” first might diminish the quality of the dictionary.

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During the Wikiconvention francophone 2019, it has been proposed not to limit the place of learning to only one. For some users, it may be relevant to set several places of learning for a given language.

It has also been proposed to add another paramter that would be "parent language" and maybe their own places of learning.

@Pamputt By "parent language", do you mean the native language / mother tongue ?

As far as I remember, yes it means "mother tongue", maybe @Opsylac remembers this discussion during the Wikiconvention.

@Pamputt We currently collect two kind of data : where the speaker lives currently and, for each language, where he/she learned it.

With my understanding of the initial issue exposed in the description, if we change the bot in a way that it adds the place where the language was learned (which is already collected) instead of the place of residence, will it solve the problem?
If we do so, we could maybe completely remove the place of residence field? Or is it usefull for something else?

We should keep in mind that we have choosen to make those personal data optional (for privacy concerns), and if we want contributors to add them, it should be in my opinion as simple as possible.

Pamputt changed the subtype of this task from "Task" to "Feature Request".Oct 6 2020, 8:14 PM

This is why I believe an accent code would be useful. Where a person lives or learned a language is not the same as the accent. Accent is more related to how a person learned to speak. We can keep where the speaker lives currently and, for each language, where the speaker learned it, but we also need an accent option.

WikiLucas00 triaged this task as Medium priority.May 5 2021, 3:08 PM
WikiLucas00 added subscribers: Seb35, VIGNERON, WikiLucas00.

I strongly support the initial message.
Having e.g. "Paris" shown as the relevant place linked to a recording when the speaker actually learned the language and lived somewhere else all their life (and just happened to be living in Paris when they filled the "Create a new speaker" form) is, indeed, not acceptable.
In the form, instead of the Place of residence, I suggest we ask for the Place of learning of the language (with maybe the possibility to chose several ones, but I don't know how we could display several places of learning on Wiktionaries)
As said above, the place of learning of a language already exists for some speakers (when one adds a new language, a place of learning can be associated), so we should try to link this new field of the form to the existing data structures used for places of learning.
I suggest to keep the place of residence optional in the field.
We should then update Lingua Libre Bot's code to add the place(s) of learning onto Wiktionaries.

While we need the RW to force users to indicate a place of learning for the future, we also need to search for users who don't have any place of learning for the language(s) they speak, before being able to use the place of learning instead of the place of residence with Lingua Libre. Maybe by adapting this query.

I have opened a pull request on Github to select and display the place of learning when it exists instead of the place of residence. I let @Poslovitch review it and merge it if ok.

Yug renamed this task from Replace “Place of residence” with something more relevant to Steps: 1 > Replace “Place of residence” with something more relevant.Jul 16 2024, 4:05 PM