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Requesting wordmark change for ks.wikipedia.org
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I on behalf of Kashmiri Wikipedia am requesting the current wordmark to be permanently changed by the translation of 'Wikipedia' in local language.

  • Link to wordmark on Wikimedia Commons: here.
  • Link to tagline on Wikimedia Commons: here.
  • Link to community discussion: Local discussion.

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Local copy in case of size change needed.

@Iflaq does this wordmark also include the tagline (local version of "The free encyclopedia")? If it does, can you please upload a version with them separate from each other, as they are defined separately? Thanks!

@Tks4Fish I have uploaded the tagline to commons here. But I don't think this is used for the header logo, Kindly correct me if I am wrong. If needed, I can also upload a local copy. Thankyou.

Tks4Fish added a subscriber: Jdlrobson.

@Jdlrobson what should I do here? The wordmark's height is way more than the other project's, so setting it to the same height as other projects would make it too small to read, and setting it to the same width would make it too large. I see the following options, let me know if you have any other ideas:

  1. Set the wordmark to the usual width and use the proportional height, with the tagline
  2. Set the wordmark to the usual width and use the proportional height, without the tagline
  3. Set the wordmark to the usual height and use the proportional width, with the tagline
  4. Set the wordmark to the usual height and use the proportional height, without the tagline
  5. Set the wordmark to a height or width that is compatible with its size, and see if it breaks the header in some way

@Tks4Fish I guess we can use it without tag line.

@Jdlrobson what should I do here? The wordmark's height is way more than the other project's, so setting it to the same height as other projects would make it too small to read, and setting it to the same width would make it too large. I see the following options, let me know if you have any other ideas:

  1. Set the wordmark to the usual width and use the proportional height, with the tagline
  2. Set the wordmark to the usual width and use the proportional height, without the tagline
  3. Set the wordmark to the usual height and use the proportional width, with the tagline
  4. Set the wordmark to the usual height and use the proportional height, without the tagline
  5. Set the wordmark to a height or width that is compatible with its size, and see if it breaks the header in some way

Hi @Tks4Fish, if you don't mind, can I claim the task? I see that the task has been stopped for a few days now, and I know exactly what is the recommended height and width for wordmark and tagline. If you authorize me, I will proceed with resolving this task.

@Tks4Fish I guess we can use it without tag line.

@Iflaq: I see that the Wordmark and Tagline is in a grayish color, the Wordmarks and Taglines must follow the same color that the logo presents. Could you change the color to black?

@Tks4Fish Sure, I will change the color to black. I will also fo a little bit of tweaking to make it fit. Can you suggest the dimensions for both these files.

Can you confirm, will it change the current logo also or it will just change the header in mobile view.

Hi @Tks4Fish, if you don't mind, can I claim the task? I see that the task has been stopped for a few days now, and I know exactly what is the recommended height and width for wordmark and tagline. If you authorize me, I will proceed with resolving this task.

Hello @Juan90264. I do mind, the task is stalled due to what I said when I pinged @Jdlrobson. I've done this type of patches before, and I understand what needs to be done, I'm just waiting for their guidance on which one to use, as it'd change the header size if we use proportional sizes for the SVG. If we simply set the usual height and/or width, the images will be stretched, which we definitely don't want, so we need to compromise in either header size or the removal of the tagline, and that's where I'm waiting for a reply.

@Tks4Fish I guess we can use it without tag line.

I think that's the way to go, to be fair, but since I'm not a member of the team I'm not sure if that is indeed the way we should go.

@Tks4Fish Sure, I will change the color to black. I will also fo a little bit of tweaking to make it fit. Can you suggest the dimensions for both these files.

Since it's an SVG, it can stretch without loss of quality, so the dimensions wouldn't be a problem per se, the issue is that the way the words are composed in the wordmark results in an image size that is close to a square. However, if there's a way to make them more rectangular, that'd be a huge help, and I could probably write the patch as soon as it's uploaded.

Can you confirm, will it change the current logo also or it will just change the header in mobile view.

This would change the header on the minerva (mobile) and newvector skins.

I've asked @alexhollender (designer) to weigh in here. Thanks @Tks4Fish for working on this.

hey, thanks for raising this issue and I apologize that the default layout doesn't work well for your logo and wordmark. To clarify what we're all thinking about/seeing, I believe if we used the standard guidelines we would have:

desktopmobile
image.png (1×2 px, 694 KB)
image.png (1×786 px, 296 KB)

if the wordmark is too small in the images above, and we instead want to drop the tagline to make room for a larger wordmark, it could look like this:

image.png (1×2 px, 692 KB)

I believe that would require some custom configuration, which @Jdlrobson could speak to.

I think the two options are setting the width property or not defining the tagline. I think it's up to the community which option to use.
e.g. Set the wordmark to the true height, without the tagline
OR
e.g. Set the wordmark to the usual width and use the proportional height, with the tagline

I think the two options are setting the width property or not defining the tagline. I think it's up to the community which option to use.

Per a small community, there wont be any objection in what you guys decide here. I will go with what you think is suitable. So you can make a call.

I would suggest going with the tagline and adjusted height to be consistent with other projects.


Kindly check this file for compatibility as I tried it to adjust according to the size.

@Iflaq from my tests this one works better. Can you upload it to commons? And also, change the color of the tagline there to black too? As soon as that is done I'll upload the patch :) Thanks!

@Tks4Fish word mark uploaded on commons. The color has also been changed. If you can confirm it.

Change 737054 had a related patch set uploaded (by Tks4Fish; author: Tks4Fish):

[operations/mediawiki-config@master] kswiki: Adding wordmark and tagline files

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/737054

Change 737061 had a related patch set uploaded (by Tks4Fish; author: Tks4Fish):

[operations/mediawiki-config@master] kswiki: Adding wordmark and tagline to IS.php

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/737061

@Tks4Fish word mark uploaded on commons. The color has also been changed. If you can confirm it.

Yep, all good. I've submitted the patches and scheduled the deployment for Monday, Nov. 8 at 19:00–20:00 UTC.

Change 737054 merged by jenkins-bot:

[operations/mediawiki-config@master] kswiki: Adding wordmark and tagline files

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/737054

Change 737483 had a related patch set uploaded (by Tks4Fish; author: Tks4Fish):

[operations/mediawiki-config@master] kswiki: Renaming logo files to lowercase

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/737483

Change 737483 abandoned by Tks4Fish:

[operations/mediawiki-config@master] kswiki: Renaming logo files to lowercase

Reason:

doing from scratch

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/737483

Change 737483 restored by Tks4Fish:

[operations/mediawiki-config@master] kswiki: Renaming logo files to lowercase

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/737483

Change 737483 merged by jenkins-bot:

[operations/mediawiki-config@master] kswiki: Renaming logo files to lowercase

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/737483

Change 737061 merged by jenkins-bot:

[operations/mediawiki-config@master] kswiki: Adding wordmark and tagline to IS.php

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/737061

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