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Dec 7 2018

Pbsouthwood added a comment to T169841: Task Request: Change the default ref name produced by visual editor.

Try suggesting a ref name based on the available parameters and requiring the editor to confirm that it is a reasonable choice or substitute their own choice. Start with "last1 year", add a, b c etc to disambiguate, use title if no author listed, then website, then ask editor, or just ask the editor to name it in the first place and disambiguate with a, b, c if necessary.

Dec 7 2018, 2:31 PM · VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, VisualEditor
Pbsouthwood added a comment to T169841: Task Request: Change the default ref name produced by visual editor.

These names bother a lot of people who spend their time cleaning up the mess left by others using visual editor, which is a waste of editor time and generates resentment of visual editor. Is it really that difficult to generate a meaningful name and then check that it is unique in that article?

Dec 7 2018, 2:21 PM · VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, VisualEditor

Oct 6 2018

Pbsouthwood added a comment to T205681: Metrics request on portal namespace usage.

I agree with AfroThundr3007730 on the probable usefulness and scope of this request. Cheers, P

Oct 6 2018, 8:17 AM · Analytics, Product-Analytics

Jun 5 2018

Pbsouthwood added a comment to T193857: Support 'noreplace' keyword in {{SHORTDESC}}.

Fair enough.

Jun 5 2018, 7:23 PM · MW-1.32-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-06-12 (1.32.0-wmf.8)), Patch-For-Review, Product-Infrastructure-Team-Backlog (Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata
Pbsouthwood added a comment to T193857: Support 'noreplace' keyword in {{SHORTDESC}}.

If we were to add noreplace to all template inclusions, will it have any adverse effect. or should this wait until you are done?

Jun 5 2018, 6:52 AM · MW-1.32-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-06-12 (1.32.0-wmf.8)), Patch-For-Review, Product-Infrastructure-Team-Backlog (Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata
Pbsouthwood added a comment to T193857: Support 'noreplace' keyword in {{SHORTDESC}}.

Suddenly it is clear! Thanks for that explanation. Like a figure and ground problem, it depends on how you first look at it..

Jun 5 2018, 6:50 AM · MW-1.32-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-06-12 (1.32.0-wmf.8)), Patch-For-Review, Product-Infrastructure-Team-Backlog (Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata

Jun 4 2018

Pbsouthwood added a comment to T193857: Support 'noreplace' keyword in {{SHORTDESC}}.

"if there is an invocation without noreplace, that takes precedence over the noreplace ones."
If I understand this correctly, we must add noreplace to any magic word that can be replaced, and leave it out for the one which must not be replaced, which is a bit counterintuitive based on the apparent meaning of the string.

Jun 4 2018, 5:36 PM · MW-1.32-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-06-12 (1.32.0-wmf.8)), Patch-For-Review, Product-Infrastructure-Team-Backlog (Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata
Pbsouthwood added a comment to T193857: Support 'noreplace' keyword in {{SHORTDESC}}.

I am happy to see some action here. Is there an explanation somewhere of how this will work, so we can plan ahead? cheers

Jun 4 2018, 4:47 PM · MW-1.32-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-06-12 (1.32.0-wmf.8)), Patch-For-Review, Product-Infrastructure-Team-Backlog (Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata

May 26 2018

Pbsouthwood added a comment to T193857: Support 'noreplace' keyword in {{SHORTDESC}}.

This is worse if people use a bare magic word (not encased in the short description template), so the short description does not show using css as it has allocated class. The upside is that these have mostly been added at the bottom of articles, the downside is that this may not always be the case, which will require special searches to find them. This is already a maintenence problem. Who knows how many more hassles it will give us?

May 26 2018, 7:36 AM · MW-1.32-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-06-12 (1.32.0-wmf.8)), Patch-For-Review, Product-Infrastructure-Team-Backlog (Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata

May 16 2018

Pbsouthwood added a comment to T193857: Support 'noreplace' keyword in {{SHORTDESC}}.

Sounds like it might work. I guess we will need different templates for manually added short description and auto added short description.

May 16 2018, 8:58 PM · MW-1.32-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-06-12 (1.32.0-wmf.8)), Patch-For-Review, Product-Infrastructure-Team-Backlog (Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata

May 15 2018

Pbsouthwood added a comment to T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description.

a) What side effect?
b) Confusing to whom? As it stands it is confusing to the people who have to use it, and may require complicated work-arounds to get it to work usefully. These will be a huge time-sink for the people who are writing the encyclopaedia.
c) This is the task for creating this magic word, and the task is not finished until it works effectively for its purpose.
c) How do you suggest we make this thing work?

May 15 2018, 2:58 PM · MW-1.32-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-06-12 (1.32.0-wmf.8)), Wikipedia-iOS-App-Backlog, MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-03-13 (1.31.0-wmf.25)), Product-Infrastructure-Team-Backlog (Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata, Community-Tech
Pbsouthwood added a comment to T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description.

The short description stored is the one from the last instance of the magic word SHORRTDESC found on the page. This is problematic and it would be preferable to store the first instance found on the page. This is a bug. Please fix

May 15 2018, 6:43 AM · MW-1.32-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-06-12 (1.32.0-wmf.8)), Wikipedia-iOS-App-Backlog, MW-1.31-release-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-03-13 (1.31.0-wmf.25)), Product-Infrastructure-Team-Backlog (Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata, Community-Tech
Pbsouthwood added a comment to T193857: Support 'noreplace' keyword in {{SHORTDESC}}.

It does not look like I am going to get a reply, so will have to open a task to have it fixed without knowing how practicable it is

May 15 2018, 6:32 AM · MW-1.32-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-06-12 (1.32.0-wmf.8)), Patch-For-Review, Product-Infrastructure-Team-Backlog (Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata

May 4 2018

Pbsouthwood added a comment to T193857: Support 'noreplace' keyword in {{SHORTDESC}}.

Fine, that is now clear to me. Thanks for clarifying
Is my question now sufficiently clear to get an answer?
(I dont know how {{DISPLAYTITLE}} and {{SORTKEY}} work, or what noerror and noreplace do)

May 4 2018, 10:01 PM · MW-1.32-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-06-12 (1.32.0-wmf.8)), Patch-For-Review, Product-Infrastructure-Team-Backlog (Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata
Pbsouthwood added a comment to T193857: Support 'noreplace' keyword in {{SHORTDESC}}.

OK, got it. So the problem is that the last one is stored, where it would be more useful if the first one was stored. It would seem that there is a routine that runs through the whole page, changing the value each time an instance is found, instead of stopping as soon as the first instance is found?

May 4 2018, 9:41 PM · MW-1.32-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-06-12 (1.32.0-wmf.8)), Patch-For-Review, Product-Infrastructure-Team-Backlog (Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata
Pbsouthwood added a comment to T193857: Support 'noreplace' keyword in {{SHORTDESC}}.

If there is more than one short description on the page the API call gets the last one. It would be far better if it got the first one, as there are a large number of pages where there is a default short description generated from a template or infobox, but for some of these a hand crafted short description would be better, which would be at the top of the page, so that is the one that should be used

May 4 2018, 9:31 PM · MW-1.32-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-06-12 (1.32.0-wmf.8)), Patch-For-Review, Product-Infrastructure-Team-Backlog (Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata
Pbsouthwood created T193857: Support 'noreplace' keyword in {{SHORTDESC}}.
May 4 2018, 11:31 AM · MW-1.32-notes (WMF-deploy-2018-06-12 (1.32.0-wmf.8)), Patch-For-Review, Product-Infrastructure-Team-Backlog (Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient, Wikidata