Add Manchu (mnc) to Names.php
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	Amire80
	Jun 1 2021, 8:05 AM

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First export from translatewiki.net with https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/core/+/666794.

Understand whether it should be Latin script, Mongolian script, or both. -> Both
Understand whether an autonym in Latin should be added, and what should it be. -> Yes
Configure both in translatewiki
Move Mongolian-script translations in translatewiki to mnc-mong
Move Latin-script translations in translatewiki to mnc-latn <-- We are here
Make necessary changes in language-data, if needed.
Add to Names.php (T338116)
Remove from translatewiki.

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Subject	Repo	Branch	Lines +/-
Update languages not part of CLDR	mediawiki/extensions/cldr	master	+14 -0
Update function-schemata sub-module to HEAD (2d8f3bb)	mediawiki/extensions/WikiLambda	master	+1 -1
Languages: Add mnc/mnc-* (Manchu) to Names.php	mediawiki/core	master	+3 -0
Split Manchu to Latin and Mongolian scripts	translatewiki	master	+4 -2

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Title	Reference	Author	Source Branch	Dest Branch
Update function-schemata sub-module to HEAD (b5a37af)	repos/abstract-wiki/wikifunctions/wikilambda-cli!16	jforrester	sync-function-schemata	main
Update function-schemata sub-module to HEAD (b5a37af)	repos/abstract-wiki/wikifunctions/function-orchestrator!72	apine	sync-function-schemata	main
Update function-schemata sub-module to HEAD (b5a37af)	repos/abstract-wiki/wikifunctions/function-evaluator!62	apine	sync-function-schemata	main
definitions: Add Z1913/mnc-mong and Z1914/mnc-latn ZNaturalLanguages	repos/abstract-wiki/wikifunctions/function-schemata!41	jforrester	T284043	main

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Mentioned In: T338116: Add Manchu in Mongolian (mnc-mong) to Names.php
T320984: Add language code mnc (Manchu) for lexemes
T318496: Split Manchu translations by script
Mentioned Here: T338116: Add Manchu in Mongolian (mnc-mong) to Names.php
T275740: Add Manchu (mnc) to Names.php

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Amire80 created this task.Jun 1 2021, 8:05 AM

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Amire80 updated the task description. (Show Details)Jun 2 2021, 5:20 AM

Amire80 updated the task description. (Show Details)

T275740 seems a duplicate.

Aklapper merged a task: T275740: Add Manchu (mnc) to Names.php.Jun 16 2022, 5:34 AM

Aklapper added a subscriber: Raymond.

Understand whether it should be Latin script, Mongolian script, or both. <-- We are here.

The Incubator projects (Wikipedia and Wiktionary) use both scripts. From what I've observed elsewhere, handwriting and professionally printed documents predominantly use the Mongolian script, while digitally it's often written using Latin script or both scripts. That makes sense because computers have very little support for vertical scripts. It would be strange to exclude Mongolian script when it's the original/primary script and it would be strange to exclude Latin script when MediaWiki doesn't even support vertical writing properly yet. Therefore I'd say it makes sense to have both.

I think the translations should be split into mnc and mnc-latn as well because they're currently a mixture of both Mongolian script and Latin script, and the translations are going back and forth between the two (e.g. MediaWiki:Edit/mnc). I'm happy to help with splitting them (I don't speak the language but I can read the script) if someone can tell me how to get started.

Understand whether an autonym in Latin should be added, and what should it be.

The autonym in Latin script that's currently being used is "Manju gisun" (see the Translatewiki.net translations and the first line on the main page for Wp/mnc).

Some people write Manchu in Latin script all-lowercase, in which case it's "manju gisun", but I think it makes sense to follow the existing translations for consistency.

Make necessary changes in language-data, if needed.
Add to Names.php.

Based on what I said above, my suggestion would be to add

mnc-latn: [Latn, [AS], Manju gisun]

to language-data, and

'mnc' => 'ᠮᠠᠨᠵᡠ ᡤᡳᠰᡠᠨ', # Manchu (multiple scripts - defaults to Mongolian)
'mnc-latn' => 'Manju gisun', # Manchu (Latin)

to Names.php.

Nikki mentioned this in T318496: Split Manchu translations by script.Sep 25 2022, 1:32 PM

Nikki mentioned this in T320984: Add language code mnc (Manchu) for lexemes.Oct 17 2022, 4:04 PM

In T284043#8152309, @Nikki wrote:
Based on what I said above, my suggestion would be to add
mnc-latn: [Latn, [AS], Manju gisun]
to language-data,

https://github.com/wikimedia/language-data/pull/263

Amire80 updated the task description. (Show Details)Jan 7 2023, 8:52 AM

Amire80 updated the task description. (Show Details)

Change 876279 had a related patch set uploaded (by Amire80; author: Amire80):

[translatewiki@master] Split Manchu to Latin and Mongolian scripts

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/876279

gerritbot added a project: Patch-For-Review.Jan 7 2023, 9:00 AM

Change 876279 merged by jenkins-bot:

[translatewiki@master] Split Manchu to Latin and Mongolian scripts

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/876279

Amire80 updated the task description. (Show Details)May 21 2023, 11:00 AM

I'll handle it, but I need to check a couple of things first.

Amire80 mentioned this in T338116: Add Manchu in Mongolian (mnc-mong) to Names.php.Jun 8 2023, 9:52 AM

Raymond updated the task description. (Show Details)Jun 8 2023, 10:15 AM

Winston_Sung changed the task status from Open to In Progress.Aug 9 2023, 3:54 PM

Change 876416 had a related patch set uploaded (by Winston Sung; author: Winston Sung):

[mediawiki/core@master] Languages: Add mnc / mnc-* (Manchu) to Names.php

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/876416

Change 876416 merged by jenkins-bot:

[mediawiki/core@master] Languages: Add mnc/mnc-* (Manchu) to Names.php

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/876416

ReleaseTaggerBot added a project: MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.30; 2023-10-10).Oct 6 2023, 5:00 AM

Winston_Sung merged a task: T338116: Add Manchu in Mongolian (mnc-mong) to Names.php.Oct 6 2023, 2:19 PM

jforrester opened https://gitlab.wikimedia.org/repos/abstract-wiki/wikifunctions/function-schemata/-/merge_requests/41

definitons: Add Z1913/mnc-mong and Z1914/mnc-latn ZNaturalLanguages

dmartin merged https://gitlab.wikimedia.org/repos/abstract-wiki/wikifunctions/function-schemata/-/merge_requests/41

definitions: Add Z1913/mnc-mong and Z1914/mnc-latn ZNaturalLanguages

Change 964450 had a related patch set uploaded (by Genoveva Galarza; author: Genoveva Galarza):

[mediawiki/extensions/WikiLambda@master] Update function-schemata sub-module to HEAD (2d8f3bb)

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/964450

Change 964450 merged by Jforrester:

[mediawiki/extensions/WikiLambda@master] Update function-schemata sub-module to HEAD (2d8f3bb)

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/964450

Change 964153 had a related patch set uploaded (by Winston Sung; author: Raimond Spekking):

[mediawiki/extensions/cldr@master] Update languages not part of CLDR

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/964153

Change 964153 merged by jenkins-bot: