Change the fallback sequence for Konkani
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	The_Discoverer
	May 2 2023, 10:49 AM

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The fallback sequence for Konkani (gom) was changed in February 2023 to include Hindi (T144045#8647466). This caused Hindi text to appear at several places in the Konkani projects, leading to inconvenience to users. Konkani readers are not adept at reading Hindi, and are more comfortable with English.

The current fallback sequence does not include Konkani in the Latin script (gom-latn), and it should be added, since if a Konkani reader can read English, then they can also read Konkani in the Latin script.

Therefore, the fallback sequence should be changed from
gom --> gom-deva --> hi --> en
to
gom --> gom-deva --> gom-latn --> en

Local discussions in Konkani projects:
https://gom.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topic:Xgcx6om86ne4fxfc
https://gom.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Tintto#Change_in_fallback_sequence_for_Konkani

In languages/messages/MessagesGom.php, change the line

$fallback = 'gom-deva, hi';

$fallback = 'gom-deva, gom-latn';

And in languages/messages/MessagesGom_deva.php, change the line

$fallback = 'hi'

$fallback = 'gom-latn'

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	Subject	Repo	Branch	Lines +/-
	Remove hindi fallback and add gom-latn fallback per request	mediawiki/core	master	+2 -2

Customize query in gerrit

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Mentioned In: T144045: Babel doesn't show localised messages for gom, gom-latn or gom-deva
Mentioned Here: T96468: Create Wikipedia Goan Konkani
T144045: Babel doesn't show localised messages for gom, gom-latn or gom-deva

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The_Discoverer created this task.May 2 2023, 10:49 AM

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Aklapper mentioned this in T144045: Babel doesn't show localised messages for gom, gom-latn or gom-deva.May 2 2023, 5:44 PM

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For the record, I changed this because the fallback flow was previously inconsistent with itself (gom -> gom-deva -> en, but gom-deva -> hi -> en), which confused the Babel extension. The fallback from gom-deva to Hindi appears to have been present since the language was added in 2015. As long as the fallback flow is consistent (which it appears these changes would create), I have no objection.

Pppery unsubscribed.May 2 2023, 6:18 PM

The Hindi fallback originates from T96468#1231046/T96468#1232717. Oddly @Mjbmr, who confirmed that, has no significant edits to any Konkani projects. Just wanted to get the history clear.

In T335758#8821236, @Pppery wrote:

For the record, I changed this because the fallback flow was previously inconsistent with itself (gom -> gom-deva -> en, but gom-deva -> hi -> en), which confused the Babel extension. The fallback from gom-deva to Hindi appears to have been present since the language was added in 2015. As long as the fallback flow is consistent (which it appears these changes would create), I have no objection.

Even though Hindi was defined in the fallback sequence gom-deva -> hi -> en, it never appeared on the wikis, because the fallback was controlled by gom -> gom-deva -> en.

Pppery unsubscribed.May 3 2023, 3:09 PM

Pppery claimed this task.May 9 2023, 7:56 PM

Change 917941 had a related patch set uploaded (by Pppery; author: Pppery):

[mediawiki/core@master] Remove hindi fallback and add gom-latn fallback per request

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/917941

gerritbot added a project: Patch-For-Review.May 9 2023, 7:59 PM

Change 917941 merged by jenkins-bot:

[mediawiki/core@master] Remove hindi fallback and add gom-latn fallback per request

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/917941

Pppery closed this task as Resolved.May 10 2023, 1:33 PM

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ReleaseTaggerBot added a project: MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.10; 2023-05-23).May 16 2023, 6:01 PM