I disagree @Aklapper. This is not a "Feature Request", this is fixing something that was working, and now is broken after a poorly designed move. It should be a bug more than a feature, but it's not something we would like to have, is something we had and is no longer working properly.

@Theklan: There has not been a dedicated place for indicators and coordinates before as can be seen in brokenness having existed for many years (random example: T180341 which also happens in classic Vector skin), which means it was not always "something that was working". Thus adding such a new dedicated place makes this a feature request. And might be a good idea to consider. (However, comments like "poorly designed move" may decrease motivation to constructively collaborate on such technical ideas...)

English is not my main language, and there may be a better way to define this. But if I have to assume good faith:

• There wasn't a dedicated place for indicators and coordinates, but there was a general design that was de facto a placeholder.
• Somehow, it was decided (no consultation, mock-up or analysis about that) that this place wasn't good and a new place was dedicated. Now there is a dedicated place, that changes the previously volunteer designated places, without discussion about that.
• This new page created obvious design errors, and even some empty lines. This was noted 5 months ago. No one has tried to solve this issue that was created by de design move. It wasn't broken, now it is.
• If a solution is proposed, then it is dismissed because "there are other plans". But no one know which are those plans and no one have plans for the some of the most used features at any given wiki: indicators, coordinates...
• So, there are two options: the decision is bad or it has been broken in purpose. As I think that no one is breaking things on purpose, despite the fact that moving this and creating problems to the users was made on purpose, there is one option left.

And once I have started with this: I'm trying to give a solution to a problem that was open and obvious the very same day it was implemented. I'm not trying to motivate anyone, because there is a team that should be solving this instead of us spending volunteer time.

Interestingly, pages with PAGEBANNER are showing indicators in the correct position: https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bost_euskarriak

This would require some substantial but important rearchitecture to make coordinates a first class citizen in skins. This would likely need some changes to Geodata.
I did a quick POC here of what that might look like: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/GeoData/+/816009
However to be clear this is not a quick and easy solution. With community consultation this could easily drag out 2 months.

Here's a demo page of how this could work:
https://patchdemo.wmflabs.org/wikis/ddfcd20227/wiki/Barcelona?useskin=vector-2022

The URL would be configurable like any other message:
https://patchdemo.wmflabs.org/wikis/ddfcd20227/wiki/MediaWiki:Geodata-indicator-url-template

Older skins would work as normal, however you'd need to hide the element in skins where the skin supports it.

However, you would lose the ability to render the coordinates via templates. The benefit of this however is that we can move the coordinates to any part of the page, it wouldn't just be limited to the article (or an absolute position within the article)

Thoughts?

@Jdlrobson I like this idea for coordinates. It's not for nothing that geodata is a special class of thing in many systems, including databases and articles.

Something like this as a core aspect of mediawiki makes a lot of sense for a wide range of users, not just the wikimedia sites.

To reduce overlap between this and T281974, it might help to narrow the focus of this issue description to "providing a canonical place for coordinate data" (with the example of putting it on the toptitle line to the left of the language dropdown)

I think for now the indicator approach seems to be working now that English Wikipedia has adopted it. I do think this might be useful to explore in future - potentially extending the indicator system but I think this is an idea for another day outside the scope of this project.

I disagree. There are 330 wikipedias, and only 180 has something like the English Module:Coordinates... and we can't even know if this is working in the same way. (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7348344).

I have struggled to change to indicators at the Basque Wikipedia, because we had a long history with the coordinates system, and depending on when a Wikipedia adopted the coordinate system, the situation is now legacy: you can't change to a new version without breaking old things.

Having a universal system, deployed without the need of complex modules, css, js and templates, would be the ideal for all of the languages that still lack all the infrastructure.

What are you disagreeing with? To clarify, I've said it's a useful idea worth exploring but it's not in the scope of this project (e.g. what the team committed to doing).

I disagree that this is not or shouldn't be in the scope of this project.