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Non-mobile UAs on mobile (2g/gprs, etc) IP-blocks
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If possible, it would be good to know the number of users who are using a 2G/GPRS connection as their primary network connection.

One way would be to find non-mobile User-Agents being used on netblocks reserved for Mobile traffic.

This sort of use is more common in less developed areas that have cell coverage, but few to no cables laid to the home.

From an email to Erik Zachte (after which he suggested this bug):

We would look at *only* non-cellular UAs and find out how many of those
were on clearly celluar subnets like Orange TUNISIE (www.orange.tn)
which owns '41.224.64.0 - 41.224.127.255'.

This would mean matching UAs to IPs.

Alternatively, it would be useful if we could find out how much
bandwidth a user has, but I'm not sure how to do that without being
really invasive.

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Severity: normal

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bzimport raised the priority of this task from to Medium.Nov 22 2014, 2:41 AM
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This is not Wikistats related. I have no tools for, nor experience with, determining particulars of any subnet. Does any other team member have clues on this?

I changed it to Wikistats because Mark mentioned that he had emailed you about this, it could be a feature request. It's definitely not User Metrics either.
@mark: to which component does this bug belong?

(In reply to comment #3)

@mark: to which component does this bug belong?

I'm not sure where you should put this, so let me explain why this information would be useful and you can direct me to the right place.

Most of our developers have high-speed internet connections. However some users use slower connections. Without a way to track this information, we remain oblivious to their concerns until a saavy enough user complains.

This specific bug requests information about people using their mobile connection as their main point of access to the internet. This is important because mobile developers may tend to dismiss this use case as insignificant.

Maybe they would be right. But until we have data, we have no way to measure the significance.

The larger issue, though, is that we should have data on users and their connection speeds. Until we have this, we have no idea what percentage of users find the "heavier" interfaces that we're providing too unweildy to use.

Also see: Bug 55842 - UI tests should check performance on slow connections

Aklapper changed the subtype of this task from "Task" to "Feature Request".Jul 24 2022, 3:59 PM

I believe that we could obtain an estimate on user's connection speeds via the maxmind geoip databases to which we have access.
From this page: https://www.maxmind.com/geoip2-overview-2021-06-08.pdf

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Hello @MarkAHershberger!
As I am onboarding as the new Product Manager to Data Products, I am going through tasks on the Data Products board to learn more about them. This ticket has sadly been lingering since 2013.
I am curious to learn about the efforts specifically this would support.
Thank you, in advance, for helping me by adding more context here.

I'm not sure what you should do with this since I haven't thought about it in 10 years. Mobile technology and data connections have changed significantly in that period of time, also.

VirginiaPoundstone changed the task status from Open to Stalled.Aug 17 2023, 3:45 PM

@MarkAHershberger is it fair to assume, give this unfortunate time lag of a decade, that this request no longer necessary? Do you have an objection if I change the status to "invalid" or is this still a request we need to (finally) try to meet?

is it fair to assume, give this unfortunate time lag of a decade, that this request no longer necessary?

I think it is fair to say that this issue depends on what the WMF's strategy is for less developed areas. I'm not the right person to ask.

I would ask @JArguello-WMF probably has an opinion since they recent updated the ticket.

My personal thoughts on this: I think the WMF should have an idea of how many people there are that use the site on low-bandwidth, high-latency connections and, further, should determine if it could better fulfill its mission by serving a higher percentage of those people.

This task proposes one way of measuring that. If there is a better way or the WMF already has other projects in place that do this. then this can be closed.

VirginiaPoundstone raised the priority of this task from Medium to Needs Triage.Aug 22 2023, 7:27 PM