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Research- what needs to be done to correctly move files form Wikipedia to Commons?
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Currently this ticket collects questions/Todos / insights of things we should discuss and solve before working on the actual wish

Questions

  • Is it still possible to upload images to Wikipedia? I.e. is this a wish to "clean up" past behavior or is it a recurring thing?
    • If yes, what are the advantages to upload an image to Wikipedia and not to commons?
  • What is the motivation of moving files to commons and in which form should it be solved?

Insights

  • Not all images can just be moved to commons: There seem to be some images protected under laws that prohibit putting it under a CC licence, but allowing it to be used on Wikipedia, such as https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:DFB-Pokal-Bildmarke_2010.svg
  • We should be aware that an automatic move tool might be used to vandalizing purposes, too.
  • Concerns two (three) histories: file description history, file history, binary file itself (all versions)
  • Currently, there seem to be 115.000 images as priority candidates on en-wiki to be moved to commons. There are 260.000 images in total which should be moved

Existing Tools:
[0]: Spezial:Hochladen page
allows users to upload files to Wikipedia. The option to upload the image to Commons instead is mentioned, but hidden within quite a bit of text
[1]: http://tools.wmflabs.org/commonshelper/
Is a tool that does the transfer to commons already. However, it seems to have the deficiencies mentioned in the wish
[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:This,_that_and_the_other/For_the_Common_Good
Another tool to transfer files to commons
[3]: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archiv/Commons-Transfer_per_Bot
A bot that used to run to do automatic common transfers
[4]: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilfe:Dateien_nach_Commons_verschieben
A German help page to help people move files to commons

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Lea_WMDE created this task.Jul 15 2016, 1:38 PM
Lea_WMDE moved this task from Incoming to Community Wishlist on the TCB-Team (now WMDE-TechWish) board.
Steinsplitter added a comment.EditedJul 15 2016, 4:35 PM

Is it still possible to upload images to Wikipedia? I.e. is this a wish to "clean up" past behavior or is it a recurring thing?

It is a recurring thing, every file must be reviewed before moving
Some files can't be hosted on commons because commons polices does not allow it. Apart from that at some wikis such as enwiki FairUse is allowed.
Removing local upload function isn't a good idea.

Likely you want to take a look how http://tools.wmflabs.org/commonshelper/ works, which is doing exactly this (the tool has a few bugs, no history import, etc.)

There seem to be some images protected under laws that prohibit putting it under a CC licence, but allowing it to be used on Wikipedia, such as https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:DFB-Pokal-Bildmarke_2010.svg

Such files can't be hosted on commons because they are likely above the threshold of originality.

Lea_WMDE updated the task description. (Show Details)Jul 19 2016, 1:45 PM
Lea_WMDE updated the task description. (Show Details)Jul 20 2016, 9:52 AM
Lea_WMDE added a comment.Jul 20 2016, 9:55 AM

@Steinsplitter Thanks for your comments, I added them to the description. Do you also have an idea, what is currently the most popular way to move files from Wikipedia to Commons? And apart from the tools listed in the description, is there any other way people use to achieve that goal?

WMDE-leszek subscribed.Jul 20 2016, 9:56 AM
Lea_WMDE updated the task description. (Show Details)Jul 20 2016, 9:59 AM
Lea_WMDE added a comment.Jul 20 2016, 10:02 AM

Hi everybody from the merged ticket! If you have answers to the questions I just posted in the comment to Steinsplitter, we are happy to hear them. All other remarks as well of course :)

Lea_WMDE merged a task: T100647: [GTWL] Epic: Moving files from Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons including complete file history and username.Jul 20 2016, 10:03 AM
Lea_WMDE added subscribers: • KasiaWMDE, Poyekhali, JEumerus and 7 others.
Steinsplitter added a comment.Jul 20 2016, 10:06 AM
In T140465#2479277, @Lea_WMDE wrote:

@Steinsplitter Thanks for your comments, I added them to the description. Do you also have an idea, what is currently the most popular way to move files from Wikipedia to Commons? And apart from the tools listed in the description, is there any other way people use to achieve that goal?

The most popular way is using commonshelper (the aforementioned tool).

https://bitbucket.org/magnusmanske/commonshelper/src

There is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:This,_that_and_the_other/For_the_Common_Good and a pywikipedia script, but they are not so widely used.

JEumerus added a comment.Jul 20 2016, 12:44 PM

Some Wikipedias also have copyright policies which use only laws within a given jurisdiction. For example, the German Wikipedia uses copyright laws in Switzerland, Austria and Germany and the English Wikipedia solely US law. Which means that not all files which are free for these projects are also OK on Commons.

Also, on the English Wikipedia some people upload locally because they don't trust or like Commons or want to keep an eye on the file without having to go crosswiki.

Lea_WMDE updated the task description. (Show Details)Aug 3 2016, 10:42 AM
Lea_WMDE closed this task as Resolved.Aug 16 2016, 12:42 PM
Lea_WMDE claimed this task.

To summarize (including some info not mentioned on the ticket before):

  • Creating a better way to ove files to Commons should not replace the possibility to upload files directly to Wikipedia. Not all licences that are valid for a language community in Wikipedia are valid for Commons as well, and there are also people who don't want to upload their file to Commons. It might make sense to look at the upload page though, to aid newcomers in realizing when their file should better be put to Commons.
  • We don't want files to be automatically moved to Commons, there should always be a person reviewing the file
  • A "technically correct" move means that a file is not newly uploaded to Commons, as this would wrongly indicate that the person who wanted to move the file is the creator. Instead, we would need sth else to indicate who was responsible for the move. Furthermore, the move should keep file description history, file history, binary file itself (all versions) intact
Tobi_WMDE_SW moved this task from Incoming to Done on the German-Community-Wishlist board.Aug 31 2016, 2:14 PM
Tobi_WMDE_SW moved this task from Community Wishlist to Move files to Commons on the TCB-Team (now WMDE-TechWish) board.Jan 31 2017, 10:16 AM
Tobi_WMDE_SW added a project: Move-Files-To-Commons.Mar 15 2017, 3:59 PM
thiemowmde removed a project: TCB-Team (now WMDE-TechWish).Jan 7 2022, 2:58 PM
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