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The hieroglyph images should be replaced with SVG versions or unicode font
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The current 'glyphs' are from 2004 by S. Rosmorduc, G. Watson, J. Hirst and license GFDL. With modern hi-dpi screens and SVG support on all browsers, they desperately could use an update.

We first need good, free and open material to source new glyphs from however.

We should make a map between our 2004 images and the hieroglyphs that were added to unicode in 2009, see what the overlap and discrepancies are (we have a mapping). Maybe a webfont would solve our problems ?

It’s worth noting that the Unicode situation vis-a-vis hieroglyphs will be rapidly changing over the next few years; control characters that allow proper stacking of glyphs will be encoded on 5 March of this year, and there are several proposals floating around for expansions of the Unicode glyph repertoire in the near future as well.

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TheDJ created this task.Jan 19 2019, 10:53 AM
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Hmm, the licensing situation of jsesh is a bit in shambles for our standards at least. I reached out to him to get some clarification:

Hi,

I have a question regarding the licensing of the JSesh glyphs. People have been asking about upgrading the support for hieroglyphs in Wikipedia for a while now, but one of the first major requirements for that is finding good SVG source and/or font source material to replace the old 2004 GFDL licensed pngs by you, G. Watson, J. Hirst that are in use currently.

I've been looking at the source code and your website, and I am finding multiple pieces of software, fonts, glyphs, but the licensing and authorship statements are a tad all over the place.

I pinged some editors who work with hieroglyphs on the English Wiktionary and got a reply from @Vorziblix:

In the ticket there’s a mention of making ‘a map between our 2004 images and the hieroglyphs that were added to unicode in 2009’ to see what the overlap and discrepancies are. As it turns out, a year ago I made such a map; it’s available at User:Vorziblix/Mismatches between WikiHiero, Hieroglyphica, and Unicode and quite complete in its documentation of mismatches. (Any glyph that doesn’t appear there exists in both sets of glyphs and has the same Gardiner code in each). I hope it can be useful.

As far as fonts go, the Abydos font (which is ‘Free for any use’) is, IMHO, by far the best free font available for hieroglyphs at present. It covers not only the glyphs currently in Unicode but the much larger Hieroglyphica sign-list. Like WikiHiero, it has some mismatches with Unicode; the full correspondence is documented here: Module:Unicode_data/images/013. The Windows font Segoe UI Historic is definitely unusable, as it censors out several hieroglyphs by replacing them with rectangles.

It’s worth noting that the Unicode situation vis-a-vis hieroglyphs will be rapidly changing over the next few years; control characters that allow proper stacking of glyphs will be encoded on 5 March of this year, and there are several proposals floating around for expansions of the Unicode glyph repertoire in the near future as well.

(Wiktionary:Grease_pit/2019/January#Vector_hieroglyphs)

On Github I found a List of Unicode Egyptian Hieroglyphic Fonts ; Abydos is listed there as "Free for any use.” However the license says “is allowed a single instantiation and no network installation [...] Commercial or educational use of UFAS is not permitted”.

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TheDJ added a comment.Jan 28 2019, 8:28 AM

Received a reply, publishing with permission.

Basically, JSesh, as a software is under the Cecill library (it used to be under the LGPL).

Most of the fonts where not drawn by me ; the position of the font author is the following :

  • the fonts can be freely used for publishing with JSesh, either for print or for electronic publishing.
  • the fonts can be freely used *in conjunction with JSesh as a library* for other projects.
  • that’s it. In particular, it’s not possible to include it in other projects which would be completely separated from JSesh.

I certainly won’t act if someone use the fonts otherwise, but I can’t give you a steady creative common license on them (it’s ok to use
pictures produced with Jsesh, though).

Best regards,

Serge Rosmorduc

TheDJ updated the task description. (Show Details)Feb 5 2019, 9:02 PM