Reply tool's current edit summary:
/* Section heading */ Reply (Tags: Reply, Source)
Suggested edit summary:
/* Section heading */ (Tags: Reply, Source)
Because we don't really need "Reply" on that line twice.
Reply tool's current edit summary:
/* Section heading */ Reply (Tags: Reply, Source)
Suggested edit summary:
/* Section heading */ (Tags: Reply, Source)
Because we don't really need "Reply" on that line twice.
Status | Subtype | Assigned | Task | ||
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Open | None | T254207 Revise how edit summaries behave in the Reply tool | |||
Open | None | T254117 Consider revising Reply tool's automatic edit summary |
To summarize the reasoning I expressed here:
Another idea
In this comment, @geraki suggested an approach similar to what @Esanders mentioned in T249391#6282880: show some of the contents of the comment within the edit summary, as Flow does.
I strongly oppose to inserting a snippet from the comment itself into the edit summary, for the following reasons:
I say:
General thoughts about pre-fill, snippet, and behaviour with/without customisable summaries
I agree with @Marc that the start of the comment isn’t necessarily representative of the whole, so it doesn’t work as a summary, only a locator. [And for locators we'd be better off with some kind of wiki-unique permanent anchor (WUPA™!) but that's a whole different story.]
Good point about solidifying regrettable content into the summary where it can’t easily be retracted. Senior contributors know that what they put in the summary goes on the record and shows in people’s watch lists, and are (or at least should be) careful as a result. They may be astonished to have this done outside their control.
The content you (don’t) include in an uneditable, invisible summary will differ from what's desirable as a pre-filled editable default.
For example, someone might hit the "wrong" reply link, but still publish the comment because the indent level looks right, not knowing that the summary will be “Reply to Soandso”. Or they might consciously choose that link to get the indent level, but be responding to multiple people above them, and would like the summary to be “Reply to X, Y, and Z” rather than “Reply to Z”. But they can’t see that's what he outcome will be, because we're hiding it from them and taking away their choice. If we’re going to do that, then better to say nothing than say the wrong thing.
Questions about empty (topic title only) summary
Regarding the duplication of Reply ... Tags: Reply – is there anywhere in the UI where you see the summary text but not the tags? (I.e. somewhere that removing the first “Reply” might create problems?) Also note that we’d be locking in the Reply tag by attaching end-user significance: it becomes more than just a stats tracking device. (Is tagging part of core, or an extension? Would we be creating a dependency between two extensions?)
How would an empty summary interact with the user preference “Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary (or the default undo summary)”? Should that become “Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary (or the default undo summary), except on talk pages”? (I.e. for consistency, remove the reminder for talk section edits as well as for DT?)
Topic titles
Some pages have long discussions with sub-headings. Is the assumption that /* Topic heading */ would be the top-level heading, rather than the immediate subhead?
The subheadings are often not self-explanatory without the context of the parent, e.g. Support/Oppose/Discussion, or “Arbitrary break”. It’s technically possible to insert /* Heading */ /* Subhead */ /* Subsubhead */, for a meaningful result, e.g. /* RFC on something important */ /* Support */ Reply. But I can picture the howls of outrage and confusion expressions of mild consternation that might cause.
For example in watchlist notification emails, or page histories shown by Navigation-Popups-Gadget. However, I’m not sure if this summary contains any useful information: on a talk page simply a /* section summary */ means for me that it contains a reply; what else would it contain? Talk pages are usually used for starting discussions and replying, after all.